Essex school holiday dates could be changed

Echo: Southend Council leader Nigel Holdcroft Southend Council leader Nigel Holdcroft

SCHOOL holidays across Essex could change so families can get cheap holidays.

Southend Council is to consult Essex County Council over shifting half-term holidays so parents can dodge sky-high peak prices when booking.

Agreement would be needed as some parents have children at schools in both local education authority areas.

Nigel Holdcroft, leader of Southend Council, said: “There are large numbers of families who send some children to school in the borough and some out of the borough., but I think it’s something that parents might be interested in us considering.”

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10:11am Thu 20 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

rewrite as "cheap off peak deals set to dissapear" ........ are people really that stupid ? overall demand won't have changed, and holiday companies will not take the hit, so it will just mean more expensive 'out of season' rates....
rewrite as "cheap off peak deals set to dissapear" ........ are people really that stupid ? overall demand won't have changed, and holiday companies will not take the hit, so it will just mean more expensive 'out of season' rates.... pembury53
  • Score: 24

10:17am Thu 20 Mar 14

Matt247 says...

briiliant, hopefully might be able to afford a family holiday, at least for one year, before the holiday industry catches on and puts the prices up
briiliant, hopefully might be able to afford a family holiday, at least for one year, before the holiday industry catches on and puts the prices up Matt247
  • Score: 16

10:21am Thu 20 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

Matt247 wrote:
briiliant, hopefully might be able to afford a family holiday, at least for one year, before the holiday industry catches on and puts the prices up
it wont take them long, so yes, get in there....
[quote][p][bold]Matt247[/bold] wrote: briiliant, hopefully might be able to afford a family holiday, at least for one year, before the holiday industry catches on and puts the prices up[/p][/quote]it wont take them long, so yes, get in there.... pembury53
  • Score: 7

10:37am Thu 20 Mar 14

Southend Andy says...

It's a good idea, people who don't have children may not like it but so what.
It's a good idea, people who don't have children may not like it but so what. Southend Andy
  • Score: -12

10:47am Thu 20 Mar 14

Jack222 says...

If you dont have children it wont make any difference as you can choose any time to go on holiday.

Yes, good idea - Essex / Southend is really only bound by the exam dates for the country. There will always be people on the border. Essex / Herts for example. Frankly Southend should just do it. It will never work for everyone so there will be whingers but it will work for many. Do it.
If you dont have children it wont make any difference as you can choose any time to go on holiday. Yes, good idea - Essex / Southend is really only bound by the exam dates for the country. There will always be people on the border. Essex / Herts for example. Frankly Southend should just do it. It will never work for everyone so there will be whingers but it will work for many. Do it. Jack222
  • Score: -1

11:04am Thu 20 Mar 14

Nebs says...

Scrap half term completely, and let children take 3 weeks leave whenever they want, provided they find out what work they will miss and complete it to a satisfactory standard before going away.
Scrap half term completely, and let children take 3 weeks leave whenever they want, provided they find out what work they will miss and complete it to a satisfactory standard before going away. Nebs
  • Score: 27

11:05am Thu 20 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

Jack222 wrote:
If you dont have children it wont make any difference as you can choose any time to go on holiday.

Yes, good idea - Essex / Southend is really only bound by the exam dates for the country. There will always be people on the border. Essex / Herts for example. Frankly Southend should just do it. It will never work for everyone so there will be whingers but it will work for many. Do it.
of course it will make a difference..... prices will fall in the current 'peak season' and rise everywhere else....... nobody was forced to have kids, but plenty moan about the consequences, expensive holidays being one of them...
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: If you dont have children it wont make any difference as you can choose any time to go on holiday. Yes, good idea - Essex / Southend is really only bound by the exam dates for the country. There will always be people on the border. Essex / Herts for example. Frankly Southend should just do it. It will never work for everyone so there will be whingers but it will work for many. Do it.[/p][/quote]of course it will make a difference..... prices will fall in the current 'peak season' and rise everywhere else....... nobody was forced to have kids, but plenty moan about the consequences, expensive holidays being one of them... pembury53
  • Score: 2

11:20am Thu 20 Mar 14

Letmetryagain says...

As said, it's one of the consequences of having children.
You can't expect everyone to fall in line and cater for your needs as parents.

Children will have the rest of their lives to have as many holidays as they like, and go where they choose.
As said, it's one of the consequences of having children. You can't expect everyone to fall in line and cater for your needs as parents. Children will have the rest of their lives to have as many holidays as they like, and go where they choose. Letmetryagain
  • Score: 7

12:51pm Thu 20 Mar 14

bythesea2014 says...

I can only see problems with this. I have two children, one attends a school under Essex County Council and the other under Southend Council. Both Authorities would have to agree dates. This would have an adverse affect on working parents who may have to take more time off for different holiday dates. I have never taken my children out of school to go on holiday. They get enough time off throughout the year. Schools make this quite clear before they start. I can understand that some parents may only be able to take a certain week off as their employer may shut down. I think the problem has started with the fines that the schools are now imposing. Also, travel companies set their prices by the rates that the hoteliers charge them, all over the world their are seasonal increases. This makes up for the quiet periods during the year.
I can only see problems with this. I have two children, one attends a school under Essex County Council and the other under Southend Council. Both Authorities would have to agree dates. This would have an adverse affect on working parents who may have to take more time off for different holiday dates. I have never taken my children out of school to go on holiday. They get enough time off throughout the year. Schools make this quite clear before they start. I can understand that some parents may only be able to take a certain week off as their employer may shut down. I think the problem has started with the fines that the schools are now imposing. Also, travel companies set their prices by the rates that the hoteliers charge them, all over the world their are seasonal increases. This makes up for the quiet periods during the year. bythesea2014
  • Score: 9

2:43pm Thu 20 Mar 14

emcee says...

This scheme will not make the slightest bit of difference.
Holiday prices start to rise in May anyway because that is when demand rises and when most people WANT to take their holidays, whether they have families or not.

Taking holidays within this country is usually a weather dependent decision, hence why people would rather have their holiday in the summer. Also, it is when the demand is higher from other foreign tourists wishing to visit this country.
Also, the same goes for holidays abroad, including those to the warmer climates. You do not think that foreign hotels and airlines raise their prices just for us Brits do you?

All that will happen if you start messing with the school holiday calendar is that, where British holiday companies are concerned at least, prices will be set locally rather than based on season. They will start basing prices according to where you are booking from.

There are many other factors which dictate price, not only the school holidays. A better couse of action would be to regulate the pricing policy of the holiday companies rather than change the school calendar. However, with so many factors and influences making up the price of a holiday and because of the "free market" this would be very hard to do.

Having said all that, would it make even more sense to allow parents the option to take children out of school for one week a year as long as it was not leading up to exams or at an important educational junction. Not only could you syncronise family holidays if your children go to different schools but you could take advantage of the cheaper holidays if you so wish. The worse that would happen is that the child would lose one or two hours per subject missed. As long as the lessons were not to the detriment of the child's education then I do not see an issue. It could even be a great opportunity, and one of the excuses the Government can use, to start "summer schools" for those falling behind, as they do in the US.
This scheme will not make the slightest bit of difference. Holiday prices start to rise in May anyway because that is when demand rises and when most people WANT to take their holidays, whether they have families or not. Taking holidays within this country is usually a weather dependent decision, hence why people would rather have their holiday in the summer. Also, it is when the demand is higher from other foreign tourists wishing to visit this country. Also, the same goes for holidays abroad, including those to the warmer climates. You do not think that foreign hotels and airlines raise their prices just for us Brits do you? All that will happen if you start messing with the school holiday calendar is that, where British holiday companies are concerned at least, prices will be set locally rather than based on season. They will start basing prices according to where you are booking from. There are many other factors which dictate price, not only the school holidays. A better couse of action would be to regulate the pricing policy of the holiday companies rather than change the school calendar. However, with so many factors and influences making up the price of a holiday and because of the "free market" this would be very hard to do. Having said all that, would it make even more sense to allow parents the option to take children out of school for one week a year as long as it was not leading up to exams or at an important educational junction. Not only could you syncronise family holidays if your children go to different schools but you could take advantage of the cheaper holidays if you so wish. The worse that would happen is that the child would lose one or two hours per subject missed. As long as the lessons were not to the detriment of the child's education then I do not see an issue. It could even be a great opportunity, and one of the excuses the Government can use, to start "summer schools" for those falling behind, as they do in the US. emcee
  • Score: 8

3:28pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Nebs says...

bythesea2014 wrote:
I can only see problems with this. I have two children, one attends a school under Essex County Council and the other under Southend Council. Both Authorities would have to agree dates. This would have an adverse affect on working parents who may have to take more time off for different holiday dates. I have never taken my children out of school to go on holiday. They get enough time off throughout the year. Schools make this quite clear before they start. I can understand that some parents may only be able to take a certain week off as their employer may shut down. I think the problem has started with the fines that the schools are now imposing. Also, travel companies set their prices by the rates that the hoteliers charge them, all over the world their are seasonal increases. This makes up for the quiet periods during the year.
Both authorities do not have to agree dates. For the vast majority it will be fine, the rest will have to make do as best they can.
[quote][p][bold]bythesea2014[/bold] wrote: I can only see problems with this. I have two children, one attends a school under Essex County Council and the other under Southend Council. Both Authorities would have to agree dates. This would have an adverse affect on working parents who may have to take more time off for different holiday dates. I have never taken my children out of school to go on holiday. They get enough time off throughout the year. Schools make this quite clear before they start. I can understand that some parents may only be able to take a certain week off as their employer may shut down. I think the problem has started with the fines that the schools are now imposing. Also, travel companies set their prices by the rates that the hoteliers charge them, all over the world their are seasonal increases. This makes up for the quiet periods during the year.[/p][/quote]Both authorities do not have to agree dates. For the vast majority it will be fine, the rest will have to make do as best they can. Nebs
  • Score: 1

6:46pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Dan-Hockley says...

Has no-one realised the obvious ... change holiday dates to avoid higher prices, then the holiday companies will simply increase the prices for those new dates .

Totally fruitless conversation
Has no-one realised the obvious ... change holiday dates to avoid higher prices, then the holiday companies will simply increase the prices for those new dates . Totally fruitless conversation Dan-Hockley
  • Score: 4

7:55pm Thu 20 Mar 14

_Lotus_ says...

Dan-Hockley wrote:
Has no-one realised the obvious ... change holiday dates to avoid higher prices, then the holiday companies will simply increase the prices for those new dates .

Totally fruitless conversation
Not if holiday dates are staggered all over the place.
[quote][p][bold]Dan-Hockley[/bold] wrote: Has no-one realised the obvious ... change holiday dates to avoid higher prices, then the holiday companies will simply increase the prices for those new dates . Totally fruitless conversation[/p][/quote]Not if holiday dates are staggered all over the place. _Lotus_
  • Score: -1

8:04pm Thu 20 Mar 14

maxell says...

I cannot beleive that the Holdcroft would suggest such a thing before he jumps the sinking ship, he is probably aware of where this is likly to be heading , with the serious fraud sqaud considering looking into the stobart affairs, with them setting up off shore companines skimming the cream, if prdictions are correct then the share prices are likely to plumit, What is very likely to happen is that stobart will load the airport with toxic debt, 5.5 million pound loss last year and just on 1 million passengers that means that each passenger was subsadised for £5.00 , If the airport was not there would holdrcoft be saying this if we were to all hoilday in the uk, I dont think so. Oh and it has also been announced that share company has placed the highest risk possible warning on stobart shares. its got nothing to do with school holidays its about a slave obeying a master, as always my opinion. its a bit late to save bacon.
I cannot beleive that the Holdcroft would suggest such a thing before he jumps the sinking ship, he is probably aware of where this is likly to be heading , with the serious fraud sqaud considering looking into the stobart affairs, with them setting up off shore companines skimming the cream, if prdictions are correct then the share prices are likely to plumit, What is very likely to happen is that stobart will load the airport with toxic debt, 5.5 million pound loss last year and just on 1 million passengers that means that each passenger was subsadised for £5.00 , If the airport was not there would holdrcoft be saying this if we were to all hoilday in the uk, I dont think so. Oh and it has also been announced that share company has placed the highest risk possible warning on stobart shares. its got nothing to do with school holidays its about a slave obeying a master, as always my opinion. its a bit late to save bacon. maxell
  • Score: -4

11:21pm Thu 20 Mar 14

jayman says...

this policy will help Stobart no end...
this policy will help Stobart no end... jayman
  • Score: -1

6:04am Fri 21 Mar 14

OBL says...

Getting rid of half terms is an interesting idea. My children are out of education now but the idea of being able to take two weeks holiday at a time of our choice (there would have to be an understanding that certain times have to be avoided) would have been an attractive idea. I would suggest increasing the Christmas hols by a week to cover the third half term week myself.

You do expect that holiday prices will go up for periods of high demand though, and I think it's a price you have to pay...literally! The one that always got me was Center Parcs, you kind of expect to pay more if you're flying at peak times, but to holiday in the UK??? Do CP really need to charge as much as they do?
Getting rid of half terms is an interesting idea. My children are out of education now but the idea of being able to take two weeks holiday at a time of our choice (there would have to be an understanding that certain times have to be avoided) would have been an attractive idea. I would suggest increasing the Christmas hols by a week to cover the third half term week myself. You do expect that holiday prices will go up for periods of high demand though, and I think it's a price you have to pay...literally! The one that always got me was Center Parcs, you kind of expect to pay more if you're flying at peak times, but to holiday in the UK??? Do CP really need to charge as much as they do? OBL
  • Score: 1

11:53pm Fri 21 Mar 14

woolstone says...

Not very practical for the parents that have children at different schools, can't see it working.
Not very practical for the parents that have children at different schools, can't see it working. woolstone
  • Score: 3

11:48am Sat 22 Mar 14

joe2345 says...

Matt247 wrote:
briiliant, hopefully might be able to afford a family holiday, at least for one year, before the holiday industry catches on and puts the prices up
What are you talking about? The industry is not deliberately punishing familes with high prices it's just supply and demand and market forces. The prices will still be high!

If there are spaces, then prices will go down because of wasted fuel, empty rooms etc. If there is too much demand prices go up and whoever has more money wins. This happens in just about every market.
[quote][p][bold]Matt247[/bold] wrote: briiliant, hopefully might be able to afford a family holiday, at least for one year, before the holiday industry catches on and puts the prices up[/p][/quote]What are you talking about? The industry is not deliberately punishing familes with high prices it's just supply and demand and market forces. The prices will still be high! If there are spaces, then prices will go down because of wasted fuel, empty rooms etc. If there is too much demand prices go up and whoever has more money wins. This happens in just about every market. joe2345
  • Score: 0

12:11pm Sat 22 Mar 14

TheaWells says...

Well that's going to be awkward...

Would Essex and Southend agree on the new dates and match them?

What if your children attend another bordering authority school... still a problem for those families...

How is messing about with holiday dates for the sake of travel company prices going to help working parents who can't take time off willy-nilly?

I like the idea of scrapping the three half terms we have in favour of allowing families to take 10 school days off when they desire... These could be used for block bookings or occasional days like birthdays or weekends away.. Similar to employee holiday rights.

Each school could have a maximum holiday request limit so for example you wouldn't have 200 pupils all wanting to go away at the end of May... like a time share... get on the schools' website.. see if the dates you want are available and book them off... sounds fab to me!

What with websites like showmyhomework . co . uk no child need be left lagging behind.
Well that's going to be awkward... Would Essex and Southend agree on the new dates and match them? What if your children attend another bordering authority school... still a problem for those families... How is messing about with holiday dates for the sake of travel company prices going to help working parents who can't take time off willy-nilly? I like the idea of scrapping the three half terms we have in favour of allowing families to take 10 school days off when they desire... These could be used for block bookings or occasional days like birthdays or weekends away.. Similar to employee holiday rights. Each school could have a maximum holiday request limit so for example you wouldn't have 200 pupils all wanting to go away at the end of May... like a time share... get on the schools' website.. see if the dates you want are available and book them off... sounds fab to me! What with websites like showmyhomework . co . uk no child need be left lagging behind. TheaWells
  • Score: 1

1:11pm Sat 22 Mar 14

TheaWells says...

joe2345 wrote:
Matt247 wrote:
briiliant, hopefully might be able to afford a family holiday, at least for one year, before the holiday industry catches on and puts the prices up
What are you talking about? The industry is not deliberately punishing familes with high prices it's just supply and demand and market forces. The prices will still be high!

If there are spaces, then prices will go down because of wasted fuel, empty rooms etc. If there is too much demand prices go up and whoever has more money wins. This happens in just about every market.
Exactly what I was trying to explain to some friends last night.

If you have 10 times as many people needing an aeroplane seat to Spain, 10 times as many people needing a hotel room, hotel food, poolside service, entertainment, bar staff etc etc then you will need enough staff, insurance and produce and electricity to cover these customers.

This is reflected in the price. It isn't JUST about when we get holidays en mas.

If you ran a company selling ice creams for 20p and you worked the ice cream stand alone because you only had 10 customers a week then you could afford to tick over.

If all of a sudden everyone decided eating ice cream was the new elixir of life and you got 40 customers a day then you'd need more staff.. you simply couldn't carry on charging 20p an ice cream as you'd need to cover wages, insurance, supplies etc....

I think what people seem to want the holiday companies to do is have a set charge regardless of when you take your holiday.. so it would be say £200 a week in January or August or November... ?? rather like most people treat their utility bills... paying the same amount for their gas and electricity during the summer even though they don't use as much to cover the winter when they do use more?
[quote][p][bold]joe2345[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matt247[/bold] wrote: briiliant, hopefully might be able to afford a family holiday, at least for one year, before the holiday industry catches on and puts the prices up[/p][/quote]What are you talking about? The industry is not deliberately punishing familes with high prices it's just supply and demand and market forces. The prices will still be high! If there are spaces, then prices will go down because of wasted fuel, empty rooms etc. If there is too much demand prices go up and whoever has more money wins. This happens in just about every market.[/p][/quote]Exactly what I was trying to explain to some friends last night. If you have 10 times as many people needing an aeroplane seat to Spain, 10 times as many people needing a hotel room, hotel food, poolside service, entertainment, bar staff etc etc then you will need enough staff, insurance and produce and electricity to cover these customers. This is reflected in the price. It isn't JUST about when we get holidays en mas. If you ran a company selling ice creams for 20p and you worked the ice cream stand alone because you only had 10 customers a week then you could afford to tick over. If all of a sudden everyone decided eating ice cream was the new elixir of life and you got 40 customers a day then you'd need more staff.. you simply couldn't carry on charging 20p an ice cream as you'd need to cover wages, insurance, supplies etc.... I think what people seem to want the holiday companies to do is have a set charge regardless of when you take your holiday.. so it would be say £200 a week in January or August or November... ?? rather like most people treat their utility bills... paying the same amount for their gas and electricity during the summer even though they don't use as much to cover the winter when they do use more? TheaWells
  • Score: 0

3:41pm Sun 23 Mar 14

barneydrop says...

Surely the travel companies will just alter their prices accordingly no matter when term times begin or end.
Teachers are so hard working anyway that they really shouldn't have to take lessons more than twice a week and all school holidays should be extended by at least one week to allow them time to prepare for the forthcoming term.
A friend of mine is a teacher at a well known Rayleigh school and he could only take his family of four to Antigua, Barbados and Orlando three times last year when in the past it's been five times.
And then he had to go on a fact-finding mission to New York for 10 days.
So you can see he was really rushed off his feet.
What's needed is more school holidays then travel companies can keep the prices the same all-year round and hit ordinary, five-day week, four-week holidays, Joe Public in the pocket where it matters.
Surely the travel companies will just alter their prices accordingly no matter when term times begin or end. Teachers are so hard working anyway that they really shouldn't have to take lessons more than twice a week and all school holidays should be extended by at least one week to allow them time to prepare for the forthcoming term. A friend of mine is a teacher at a well known Rayleigh school and he could only take his family of four to Antigua, Barbados and Orlando three times last year when in the past it's been five times. And then he had to go on a fact-finding mission to New York for 10 days. So you can see he was really rushed off his feet. What's needed is more school holidays then travel companies can keep the prices the same all-year round and hit ordinary, five-day week, four-week holidays, Joe Public in the pocket where it matters. barneydrop
  • Score: 1

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