Bouncer beaten up at Southend bar Chinnery's

Joseph Saunders - beaten yp at Chinnery's

Joseph Saunders - beaten yp at Chinnery's

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A DOORMAN was knocked out and savagely beaten by a group of men just 15 minutes after starting his shift.

Joseph Saunders, 30, from Southend, was knocked unconscious as he was attacked by at least five men as he worked on the door at Chinnery’s pub in Marine Parade, Southend.

He had started his shift at 8pm, but just 15 minutes later he was brutally beaten as he tried to calm down a group of five men and a woman, who is believed to be the mum of one of his attackers.

Mr Saunders said the group had been in the pub for several hours and had started causing trouble when he intervened.

He said: “I was knocked out when I hit the ground and they started kicking me while I was down.

“I was hit from behind and punched hard in the left hand side of the head.

“I’m still getting a few headaches and I’m sore down my left side.

“One person was arrested but that still leaves three or four other people to find and bring to justice.”

Mr Saunders was attacked on Saturday after he had asked the group to stop kicking the pub’s fire exit.

The woman, believed to be the mother of at least one of the men, approached Mr Saunders to say she would control her own children, but minutes later, the men attacked him from behind.

Four off-duty police officers were in the pub at the time and have given statements to the police.

Mr Saunders added: “Chinnery’s has given its CCTV to police. it is claimed I pushed a door that fell into one of my attackers, but CCTV shows I didn’t.

“We have lots of witnesses, but not their names, which is frustrating.”

Mr Saunders has appealed on Twitter for anyone with information to contact the police on 101.

Police are yet to comment on the attack.

Chinnery’s management declined to comment.

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6:26am Thu 24 Apr 14

Adrenaline_Junkie says...

Good. About time a bit of justice was served out. Bouncers are just bullies.
Good. About time a bit of justice was served out. Bouncers are just bullies. Adrenaline_Junkie
  • Score: -79

6:56am Thu 24 Apr 14

Bangemup says...

So Let's get this straight first , there were four off duty Policemen in the pub at the time . The pub is not massive so they must have been aware of what was going on . How come only one of the assailants was arrested ? As for Adrenaline Junkie comments , all Doormen are not bullies they are the people who keep order so people can enjoy a drink and a chat in pubs and clubs . .I hope all the assailants are caught and convicted .Just one more remark for Adrenaline Junkie do you think the bouncer was bullying the five blokes and is 5 on 1 not bullying ????
So Let's get this straight first , there were four off duty Policemen in the pub at the time . The pub is not massive so they must have been aware of what was going on . How come only one of the assailants was arrested ? As for Adrenaline Junkie comments , all Doormen are not bullies they are the people who keep order so people can enjoy a drink and a chat in pubs and clubs . .I hope all the assailants are caught and convicted .Just one more remark for Adrenaline Junkie do you think the bouncer was bullying the five blokes and is 5 on 1 not bullying ???? Bangemup
  • Score: 94

7:53am Thu 24 Apr 14

pembury53 says...

i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care... pembury53
  • Score: 38

7:56am Thu 24 Apr 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

pembury53 wrote:
i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....??? carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 13

8:09am Thu 24 Apr 14

pembury53 says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
pembury53 wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???
it would teach them a lesson though.....
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???[/p][/quote]it would teach them a lesson though..... pembury53
  • Score: 16

8:14am Thu 24 Apr 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

pembury53 wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
pembury53 wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???
it would teach them a lesson though.....
Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???[/p][/quote]it would teach them a lesson though.....[/p][/quote]Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again. carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 38

8:14am Thu 24 Apr 14

cg1blue says...

pembury53 wrote:
i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
All the kids put into care? This wasn't a scene from Oliver Twist, these were fully grown chav men!
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]All the kids put into care? This wasn't a scene from Oliver Twist, these were fully grown chav men! cg1blue
  • Score: 9

8:19am Thu 24 Apr 14

sesibollox says...

Contact the IPCC, let them investigate the dereliction of duty, and let those so called officers tell their story, on oath in court.
Contact the IPCC, let them investigate the dereliction of duty, and let those so called officers tell their story, on oath in court. sesibollox
  • Score: 20

8:43am Thu 24 Apr 14

cg1blue says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???
it would teach them a lesson though.....
Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.
Found this:

"One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.”

and this

"In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary."

I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???[/p][/quote]it would teach them a lesson though.....[/p][/quote]Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.[/p][/quote]Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action. cg1blue
  • Score: 16

8:52am Thu 24 Apr 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

cg1blue wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???
it would teach them a lesson though.....
Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.
Found this:

"One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.”

and this

"In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary."

I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.
Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement.
Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave.
Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all.
[quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???[/p][/quote]it would teach them a lesson though.....[/p][/quote]Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.[/p][/quote]Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.[/p][/quote]Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement. Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave. Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all. Nowthatsworthknowing
  • Score: 19

8:58am Thu 24 Apr 14

supermadmax says...

"it is claimed I pushed a door that fell into one of my attackers, but CCTV shows I didn’t."

That's convenient.
"it is claimed I pushed a door that fell into one of my attackers, but CCTV shows I didn’t." That's convenient. supermadmax
  • Score: -14

9:00am Thu 24 Apr 14

CarnMountification says...

supermadmax wrote:
"it is claimed I pushed a door that fell into one of my attackers, but CCTV shows I didn’t."

That's convenient.
Why rely on the CCTV, there seems to have been a table full of Police in there at the time, who I expect, are rather pensive right now.
[quote][p][bold]supermadmax[/bold] wrote: "it is claimed I pushed a door that fell into one of my attackers, but CCTV shows I didn’t." That's convenient.[/p][/quote]Why rely on the CCTV, there seems to have been a table full of Police in there at the time, who I expect, are rather pensive right now. CarnMountification
  • Score: 15

9:07am Thu 24 Apr 14

sesibollox says...

This will become one for Chief Kavanagh, and Nick Alston to admire, have those four witnessed other crimes and done nothing about it ?
This will become one for Chief Kavanagh, and Nick Alston to admire, have those four witnessed other crimes and done nothing about it ? sesibollox
  • Score: 12

9:30am Thu 24 Apr 14

ThisYear says...

If only Kim Gandy had been there..
If only Kim Gandy had been there.. ThisYear
  • Score: -10

9:49am Thu 24 Apr 14

Adrenaline_Junkie says...

Bangemup wrote:
So Let's get this straight first , there were four off duty Policemen in the pub at the time . The pub is not massive so they must have been aware of what was going on . How come only one of the assailants was arrested ? As for Adrenaline Junkie comments , all Doormen are not bullies they are the people who keep order so people can enjoy a drink and a chat in pubs and clubs . .I hope all the assailants are caught and convicted .Just one more remark for Adrenaline Junkie do you think the bouncer was bullying the five blokes and is 5 on 1 not bullying ????
Usually its the other way round. 5 doormen beating up someone round the back of an alley. There just typical thugs and I have no sympathy for him. With his job comes violence. That's the end of it.
[quote][p][bold]Bangemup[/bold] wrote: So Let's get this straight first , there were four off duty Policemen in the pub at the time . The pub is not massive so they must have been aware of what was going on . How come only one of the assailants was arrested ? As for Adrenaline Junkie comments , all Doormen are not bullies they are the people who keep order so people can enjoy a drink and a chat in pubs and clubs . .I hope all the assailants are caught and convicted .Just one more remark for Adrenaline Junkie do you think the bouncer was bullying the five blokes and is 5 on 1 not bullying ????[/p][/quote]Usually its the other way round. 5 doormen beating up someone round the back of an alley. There just typical thugs and I have no sympathy for him. With his job comes violence. That's the end of it. Adrenaline_Junkie
  • Score: -22

9:53am Thu 24 Apr 14

InTheKnowOk says...

ThisYear wrote:
If only Kim Gandy had been there..
Why are you bringing her into this thread? ... Explain ....
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: If only Kim Gandy had been there..[/p][/quote]Why are you bringing her into this thread? ... Explain .... InTheKnowOk
  • Score: 11

9:56am Thu 24 Apr 14

InTheKnowOk says...

They have CCTV, they will get names ..
Hope the dude recovers, he was only doing his job after all ..
They have CCTV, they will get names .. Hope the dude recovers, he was only doing his job after all .. InTheKnowOk
  • Score: 10

10:32am Thu 24 Apr 14

sesibollox says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
They have CCTV, they will get names ..
Hope the dude recovers, he was only doing his job after all ..
Shame those Police weren't.
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: They have CCTV, they will get names .. Hope the dude recovers, he was only doing his job after all ..[/p][/quote]Shame those Police weren't. sesibollox
  • Score: 14

10:52am Thu 24 Apr 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
If only Kim Gandy had been there..
Why are you bringing her into this thread? ... Explain ....
Eh Kink No Wot, your new user name according to sesi.....
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: If only Kim Gandy had been there..[/p][/quote]Why are you bringing her into this thread? ... Explain ....[/p][/quote]Eh Kink No Wot, your new user name according to sesi..... Nowthatsworthknowing
  • Score: 4

10:59am Thu 24 Apr 14

pembury53 says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
cg1blue wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???
it would teach them a lesson though.....
Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.
Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.
Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement. Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave. Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all.
couldn't agree more, this spineless badge wearing masquerade never happened in the 70's......those old bill should have been in there, fists and feet flying, delivering a proper hiding to these low life idiots.....then, with a word in the right ear, the CCTV could have been conveniently mislaid, the witness 'statements' written up, ready for signing...... a proper result
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???[/p][/quote]it would teach them a lesson though.....[/p][/quote]Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.[/p][/quote]Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.[/p][/quote]Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement. Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave. Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all.[/p][/quote]couldn't agree more, this spineless badge wearing masquerade never happened in the 70's......those old bill should have been in there, fists and feet flying, delivering a proper hiding to these low life idiots.....then, with a word in the right ear, the CCTV could have been conveniently mislaid, the witness 'statements' written up, ready for signing...... a proper result pembury53
  • Score: 9

3:14pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Sensible Man says...

Carnmount.. (versions 1 and 2), nowthatsworth... and sesi... are definitely all one and the same - you can tell by the excessive use of commas scattered through "their " sentences.
Carnmount.. (versions 1 and 2), nowthatsworth... and sesi... are definitely all one and the same - you can tell by the excessive use of commas scattered through "their " sentences. Sensible Man
  • Score: -2

4:01pm Thu 24 Apr 14

ekcoanarak says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma


kessense
wrote:
pembury53 wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???
it would teach them a lesson though.....
Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.
The Police are the laziest people I have ever had the misfortune to have to deal with, they are dedicated to doing the barest minimum amount of work they can get away with.
People who have never had to interact with them are very fortunate indeed.
Report a crime to the Police or discuss it with your fridge-freezer ,the end result will be much the same.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???[/p][/quote]it would teach them a lesson though.....[/p][/quote]Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.[/p][/quote]The Police are the laziest people I have ever had the misfortune to have to deal with, they are dedicated to doing the barest minimum amount of work they can get away with. People who have never had to interact with them are very fortunate indeed. Report a crime to the Police or discuss it with your fridge-freezer ,the end result will be much the same. ekcoanarak
  • Score: 9

4:09pm Thu 24 Apr 14

cg1blue says...

pembury53 wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
cg1blue wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???
it would teach them a lesson though.....
Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.
Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.
Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement. Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave. Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all.
couldn't agree more, this spineless badge wearing masquerade never happened in the 70's......those old bill should have been in there, fists and feet flying, delivering a proper hiding to these low life idiots.....then, with a word in the right ear, the CCTV could have been conveniently mislaid, the witness 'statements' written up, ready for signing...... a proper result
But isn't this partly due to the liberal minorities who are making it a crime for anybody in authority (police, teachers, parents etc.) to lay a finger on anyone?

It's all about criminals rights these days...
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???[/p][/quote]it would teach them a lesson though.....[/p][/quote]Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.[/p][/quote]Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.[/p][/quote]Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement. Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave. Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all.[/p][/quote]couldn't agree more, this spineless badge wearing masquerade never happened in the 70's......those old bill should have been in there, fists and feet flying, delivering a proper hiding to these low life idiots.....then, with a word in the right ear, the CCTV could have been conveniently mislaid, the witness 'statements' written up, ready for signing...... a proper result[/p][/quote]But isn't this partly due to the liberal minorities who are making it a crime for anybody in authority (police, teachers, parents etc.) to lay a finger on anyone? It's all about criminals rights these days... cg1blue
  • Score: -2

7:49pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Robin Reliant says...

A Mum out drinking all afternoon with her boys down a seafront boozer,sounds class,real shame regarding the 4 coppers who didn't arrest the perps or at least 2/3 of them, Regan and Carter would have been right in the middle of it.
A Mum out drinking all afternoon with her boys down a seafront boozer,sounds class,real shame regarding the 4 coppers who didn't arrest the perps or at least 2/3 of them, Regan and Carter would have been right in the middle of it. Robin Reliant
  • Score: 7

12:18am Fri 25 Apr 14

Seasider90 says...

Most of the time it's not the police but the politicians and judiciary that don't uphold the law. And such sweeping comments from many idiots on here. There's good and bad coppers and there's good and bad bouncers. Low life scum - sorry cowardly scum - 5 onto 1? Very brave boys eh? Not man enough to go one on one but typical these days. These little weasels get a drink inside them and get a bit brave and STILL it takes 5 of them. Let's hope when they are caught all their neighbours and friends can see what brave little boys they are. And the chav Mum - how proud to have brought up such wonderful sewer rats.
Most of the time it's not the police but the politicians and judiciary that don't uphold the law. And such sweeping comments from many idiots on here. There's good and bad coppers and there's good and bad bouncers. Low life scum - sorry cowardly scum - 5 onto 1? Very brave boys eh? Not man enough to go one on one but typical these days. These little weasels get a drink inside them and get a bit brave and STILL it takes 5 of them. Let's hope when they are caught all their neighbours and friends can see what brave little boys they are. And the chav Mum - how proud to have brought up such wonderful sewer rats. Seasider90
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12:59am Fri 25 Apr 14

ThisYear says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
If only Kim Gandy had been there..
Why are you bringing her into this thread? ... Explain ....
Why not..explain!
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: If only Kim Gandy had been there..[/p][/quote]Why are you bringing her into this thread? ... Explain ....[/p][/quote]Why not..explain! ThisYear
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1:02am Fri 25 Apr 14

ThisYear says...

pembury53 wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
cg1blue wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???
it would teach them a lesson though.....
Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.
Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.
Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement. Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave. Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all.
couldn't agree more, this spineless badge wearing masquerade never happened in the 70's......those old bill should have been in there, fists and feet flying, delivering a proper hiding to these low life idiots.....then, with a word in the right ear, the CCTV could have been conveniently mislaid, the witness 'statements' written up, ready for signing...... a proper result
You seem to be advocating police corruption!

You think that would make the country a better place?
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???[/p][/quote]it would teach them a lesson though.....[/p][/quote]Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.[/p][/quote]Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.[/p][/quote]Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement. Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave. Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all.[/p][/quote]couldn't agree more, this spineless badge wearing masquerade never happened in the 70's......those old bill should have been in there, fists and feet flying, delivering a proper hiding to these low life idiots.....then, with a word in the right ear, the CCTV could have been conveniently mislaid, the witness 'statements' written up, ready for signing...... a proper result[/p][/quote]You seem to be advocating police corruption! You think that would make the country a better place? ThisYear
  • Score: 4

8:04am Fri 25 Apr 14

pembury53 says...

cg1blue wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
cg1blue wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???
it would teach them a lesson though.....
Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.
Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.
Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement. Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave. Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all.
couldn't agree more, this spineless badge wearing masquerade never happened in the 70's......those old bill should have been in there, fists and feet flying, delivering a proper hiding to these low life idiots.....then, with a word in the right ear, the CCTV could have been conveniently mislaid, the witness 'statements' written up, ready for signing...... a proper result
But isn't this partly due to the liberal minorities who are making it a crime for anybody in authority (police, teachers, parents etc.) to lay a finger on anyone? It's all about criminals rights these days...
they seem happy enough to 'tazer' without any come backs....
[quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???[/p][/quote]it would teach them a lesson though.....[/p][/quote]Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.[/p][/quote]Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.[/p][/quote]Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement. Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave. Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all.[/p][/quote]couldn't agree more, this spineless badge wearing masquerade never happened in the 70's......those old bill should have been in there, fists and feet flying, delivering a proper hiding to these low life idiots.....then, with a word in the right ear, the CCTV could have been conveniently mislaid, the witness 'statements' written up, ready for signing...... a proper result[/p][/quote]But isn't this partly due to the liberal minorities who are making it a crime for anybody in authority (police, teachers, parents etc.) to lay a finger on anyone? It's all about criminals rights these days...[/p][/quote]they seem happy enough to 'tazer' without any come backs.... pembury53
  • Score: -1

10:30am Fri 25 Apr 14

cg1blue says...

pembury53 wrote:
cg1blue wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
cg1blue wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote:
pembury53 wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...
The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???
it would teach them a lesson though.....
Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.
Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.
Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement. Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave. Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all.
couldn't agree more, this spineless badge wearing masquerade never happened in the 70's......those old bill should have been in there, fists and feet flying, delivering a proper hiding to these low life idiots.....then, with a word in the right ear, the CCTV could have been conveniently mislaid, the witness 'statements' written up, ready for signing...... a proper result
But isn't this partly due to the liberal minorities who are making it a crime for anybody in authority (police, teachers, parents etc.) to lay a finger on anyone? It's all about criminals rights these days...
they seem happy enough to 'tazer' without any come backs....
Pity those 5 sc mbags didnt get tasered
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: i'd like to see the mother get 5 years and all the kids put into care...[/p][/quote]The kids were over 22 years old, Mum was in her 50's....???[/p][/quote]it would teach them a lesson though.....[/p][/quote]Shame one of those FOUR off duty coppers. didn't do their duty. Oh yes their duty, as they are always on duty, seems they must have turned a blind eye, yet again.[/p][/quote]Found this: "One of the first instances where an off-duty police officer is expected to use the power of law-enforcement authorities is when he “observes an incident requiring law enforcement action in which time is of the essence, or if his action will safeguard life or property or prevent the escape of a criminal.” and this "In relation to disputes where there could be a substantial risk of injury to the officer or to others, the off-duty police officers in plain clothes should not intervene, although they should contact the department to deploy uniform personnel to the scene, if necessary." I assume these 5 men were pretty dangerous, and perhaps the officers were near retirement desk sargeant types. In any case, the Echo clearly put that comment in their to stir up controversy, and typically without explaining why the officers took no action.[/p][/quote]Desk Sergeants ? more likely to have been wet behind the ear probationers, who whilst on duty, hide behind their badges. They have a duty to protect life and property, and failed in that basic requirement. Years ago, as soon as off duty Old Bill, walked into such a den of inequity, a stream of yobs would quietly leave, no fuss, just leave. Here we have four Officers, witnessing and doing nothing, about a serious assault, says it all.[/p][/quote]couldn't agree more, this spineless badge wearing masquerade never happened in the 70's......those old bill should have been in there, fists and feet flying, delivering a proper hiding to these low life idiots.....then, with a word in the right ear, the CCTV could have been conveniently mislaid, the witness 'statements' written up, ready for signing...... a proper result[/p][/quote]But isn't this partly due to the liberal minorities who are making it a crime for anybody in authority (police, teachers, parents etc.) to lay a finger on anyone? It's all about criminals rights these days...[/p][/quote]they seem happy enough to 'tazer' without any come backs....[/p][/quote]Pity those 5 sc mbags didnt get tasered cg1blue
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Fri 25 Apr 14

morbeous says...

Time we forgot about the police and set up our own crime busting groups. Paul Kersey would have stood for no crap!! Why should we?
Time we forgot about the police and set up our own crime busting groups. Paul Kersey would have stood for no crap!! Why should we? morbeous
  • Score: 2

8:57pm Fri 25 Apr 14

pendulum says...

So if the pub has CCTV, why don't we have CCTV images of the suspect included in this article?

Or are pictures only important when taken from a camera inside a metal box by the side of the road?
So if the pub has CCTV, why don't we have CCTV images of the suspect included in this article? Or are pictures only important when taken from a camera inside a metal box by the side of the road? pendulum
  • Score: 2

7:22pm Sat 26 Apr 14

essex bad boy says...

Poetic justice..... not so long ago a number of baby walkers did in a member of the public..... what goes around comes to mind...... they are meant to be fully trained in what? how to change a nappy!!!! you stand there with your arms crossed looking mean then moan like a woman when someone does the same as you do weekly, you rough up people so you get ruffed up then cry like a stuck well....... where are the police please I need help. but when a member of the public is set upon by you guys you simply state "you're not welcome here get lost" followed by a rough exit assisted by you lot .....
Get a life and grow a pair plllleaase!!!!!!!!!!
!!!! oh btw which way to the ladies please, I'll follow you lot....
Poetic justice..... not so long ago a number of baby walkers did in a member of the public..... what goes around comes to mind...... they are meant to be fully trained in what? how to change a nappy!!!! you stand there with your arms crossed looking mean then moan like a woman when someone does the same as you do weekly, you rough up people so you get ruffed up then cry like a stuck well....... where are the police please I need help. but when a member of the public is set upon by you guys you simply state "you're not welcome here get lost" followed by a rough exit assisted by you lot ..... Get a life and grow a pair plllleaase!!!!!!!!!! !!!! oh btw which way to the ladies please, I'll follow you lot.... essex bad boy
  • Score: 0

5:22am Thu 1 May 14

jessloulau says...

supermadmax wrote:
"it is claimed I pushed a door that fell into one of my attackers, but CCTV shows I didn’t."

That's convenient.
thats convenient ? ........no ...thats reality
[quote][p][bold]supermadmax[/bold] wrote: "it is claimed I pushed a door that fell into one of my attackers, but CCTV shows I didn’t." That's convenient.[/p][/quote]thats convenient ? ........no ...thats reality jessloulau
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