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IS the pub trade a dying business?

In just two months, two well-known pubs have closed their doors to the public on Canvey, raising questions over the future of the pub trade on the island.

The historic King Canute pub, in Canvey Road, which was used as a base for the Armed Forces during the 1953 floods, served its final customers on Sunday, May 19.

This was followed by news of the impending closure of the Silver Jubilee pub last week.

The family-run pub is set to close on Saturday, July 19.

The closure of the two pubs has raised concerns across the island on whether there is even a future for the business as a whole.

Joanne Cramp, landlady of the Silver Jubilee , believes it is a dying trade as a result of high taxes and a lack of help from the Government.

She said: “It’s a sign of the times. The Government is taxing pubs to the point it is becoming difficult for them to survive.

“The ones that tend to do well are ones that have a restaurant because that brings the money in.”

Mrs Cramp’s pub has been closed after brewery Punch Tavern decided it is “unsustainable”.

However, leader of the Canvey Island Independent Party, Dave Blackwell, believes the only way pubs could survive is if they offered more.He said: “People complain when pubs close, but when they’re open, no one really spends time in them anymore.

“We might see more people going into pubs during the weekend, but not as many as used to go.

“The pubs that do better tend to serve food.”

Warren Garner, 47, owner of the Haystack in Furtherwick Road, Canvey, said pubs face challenges, but location also plays an important part.

Mr Garner, who took over in December, said: “The key is location. We are in a busy central area, so it is easier to bring in customers.

“We provide food, encourage a family environment, and also provide entertainment for all generations.”

Mr Garner said he believes the biggest challenge facing pubs today is competition from supermarkets.

He said: “People tend to buy alcohol from supermarkets where they can get it a lot cheaper and then come to pubs for the last few hours before closing.”

The King Canute will now be turned into a convenience store although brewery Stonegate has not revealed the buyer.

The Silver Jubilee Pub has not yet been sold.

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5:44pm Mon 14 Jul 14

The King of Southend says...

Canvey Club is where the action is.
Canvey Club is where the action is. The King of Southend
  • Score: 0

5:44pm Mon 14 Jul 14

John Right says...

Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there..
Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there.. John Right
  • Score: 4

6:53pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Kim Gandy says...

John Right wrote:
Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there..
You calling others rude.

Isn't that a bit like the pot and kettle scenario?

Actually a lot of this is down to Labour and their smoking ban. I am not a smoker and I don't like it in my face but live and let live. What's wrong with a bar for smokers and one for non smokers where it's possible to do that.

Also the licensing hours introduced by Labour brought about all sorts of related problems. It created more late night anti social behaviour and in a sense killed itself. I know a lot of people that won't go to pubs any more, especially in towns because the p*ss heads who stay in there all day and all night because they have nothing better to spend their money on, make life a misery for people who just want to enjoy themselves without getting off their face.

This is not all down to the current Government. Labour's social engineering created a hostile environment for all things traditionally British and their total enslavement to the EU also meant that British culture was subdued and discouraged. Pubs are quintessentially English in particular and have traditionally been watering holes for decent hard working people, from all sorts of backgrounds, to relax.

It's all part of the Leftie plan to obliterate anything that even smacks of British or Englishness. If it doesn't fit in with their multi culti ideology, out it goes. Unfortunately the rot set in when they were in power and the Tories haven't really rectified the situation. But they were very clever with their social engineering when they set about deconstructing the British way of life.

UKIP were running a save our pubs campaign up until a year or two ago, until the Lefties infiltrated their senior management and their so called policy making geek Timur Aker is himself not a promoter of our culture although he enjoys partaking of a few gallons of booze himself, by all accounts. But then all Lefties are hypocrites as we all know.

As regulars here will know, I don't think if you put them all together it would make one decent political party. I have friends of different political persuasions but only because I agree with their particular political stance not their party politics, although SOME policies from each party do resonate.

How long before Lefties are actively encouraging the closure of anything that's so traditional it may cause "offence"? Oh silly me, they're already doing it. By stealth.

I don't think the current Government can be blamed totally for the current situation with pubs.

There are a lot of factors and reasons why a lot of things in this country are being sold off, lost, destroyed or closed down : anti-English/British culture politics, selfishness and greed, social engineering, political correctness, nanny state and also apathy on the part of the British public.

Also, people have now been taxed to the eyeballs by the continuous drip-drip of the EU stealth tax faucet. Many can no longer afford a night out at the pub and are buying cheap booze and staying at home. So that's another nail in the coffin.

Blame all political parties for this scenario but most of all, blame Lefties. They infest every and I mean EVERY political party nowadays and are the biggest killjoys going. If they don't like it, you can guarantee it will be gone - and they will try everything in the book to make sure it's wiped off the face of the earth. Pubs are potential meeting grounds for REAL patriots who are proud of our culture and who are apt to fly the St George Cross even when there is no football on. God forbid! Not multi culti enough for the Lefties.

It's the modern brand of Puritanism. And it's working. Until we decide enough is enough.
[quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there..[/p][/quote]You calling others rude. Isn't that a bit like the pot and kettle scenario? Actually a lot of this is down to Labour and their smoking ban. I am not a smoker and I don't like it in my face but live and let live. What's wrong with a bar for smokers and one for non smokers where it's possible to do that. Also the licensing hours introduced by Labour brought about all sorts of related problems. It created more late night anti social behaviour and in a sense killed itself. I know a lot of people that won't go to pubs any more, especially in towns because the p*ss heads who stay in there all day and all night because they have nothing better to spend their money on, make life a misery for people who just want to enjoy themselves without getting off their face. This is not all down to the current Government. Labour's social engineering created a hostile environment for all things traditionally British and their total enslavement to the EU also meant that British culture was subdued and discouraged. Pubs are quintessentially English in particular and have traditionally been watering holes for decent hard working people, from all sorts of backgrounds, to relax. It's all part of the Leftie plan to obliterate anything that even smacks of British or Englishness. If it doesn't fit in with their multi culti ideology, out it goes. Unfortunately the rot set in when they were in power and the Tories haven't really rectified the situation. But they were very clever with their social engineering when they set about deconstructing the British way of life. UKIP were running a save our pubs campaign up until a year or two ago, until the Lefties infiltrated their senior management and their so called policy making geek Timur Aker is himself not a promoter of our culture although he enjoys partaking of a few gallons of booze himself, by all accounts. But then all Lefties are hypocrites as we all know. As regulars here will know, I don't think if you put them all together it would make one decent political party. I have friends of different political persuasions but only because I agree with their particular political stance not their party politics, although SOME policies from each party do resonate. How long before Lefties are actively encouraging the closure of anything that's so traditional it may cause "offence"? Oh silly me, they're already doing it. By stealth. I don't think the current Government can be blamed totally for the current situation with pubs. There are a lot of factors and reasons why a lot of things in this country are being sold off, lost, destroyed or closed down : anti-English/British culture politics, selfishness and greed, social engineering, political correctness, nanny state and also apathy on the part of the British public. Also, people have now been taxed to the eyeballs by the continuous drip-drip of the EU stealth tax faucet. Many can no longer afford a night out at the pub and are buying cheap booze and staying at home. So that's another nail in the coffin. Blame all political parties for this scenario but most of all, blame Lefties. They infest every and I mean EVERY political party nowadays and are the biggest killjoys going. If they don't like it, you can guarantee it will be gone - and they will try everything in the book to make sure it's wiped off the face of the earth. Pubs are potential meeting grounds for REAL patriots who are proud of our culture and who are apt to fly the St George Cross even when there is no football on. God forbid! Not multi culti enough for the Lefties. It's the modern brand of Puritanism. And it's working. Until we decide enough is enough. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -26

6:57pm Mon 14 Jul 14

scrounger‎ says...

You never see an empty Wetherspoons pub, perhaps the other pubs should bring their prices in line and stop playing loud music that nobody wants to hear.
You never see an empty Wetherspoons pub, perhaps the other pubs should bring their prices in line and stop playing loud music that nobody wants to hear. scrounger‎
  • Score: 35

7:25pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Touch79 says...

The smoking ban was the death knell, as, like it or not, the two things tend to go hand in hand. Any legislation should have been done on a gradual and partial basis, instead of the abruptness with which it occurred.

The government are quite happy to take the tobacco revenue, but deny those very same people the opportunity to smoke and drink anywhere but their own home, without being exposed to our volatile weather.

Just in Castle Point we've lost at least 5 pubs since the ban but its hardly surprising when you can drink at home for a fifth of the cost and have all your home comforts.
The smoking ban was the death knell, as, like it or not, the two things tend to go hand in hand. Any legislation should have been done on a gradual and partial basis, instead of the abruptness with which it occurred. The government are quite happy to take the tobacco revenue, but deny those very same people the opportunity to smoke and drink anywhere but their own home, without being exposed to our volatile weather. Just in Castle Point we've lost at least 5 pubs since the ban but its hardly surprising when you can drink at home for a fifth of the cost and have all your home comforts. Touch79
  • Score: 3

10:25pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Robin Reliant says...

scrounger‎ wrote:
You never see an empty Wetherspoons pub, perhaps the other pubs should bring their prices in line and stop playing loud music that nobody wants to hear.
yes £2.20 for a proper pint of crafted beer, excellent Breakfasts, and all day food with deals to be had, although they do campaign against the high tax rate they have to pay they are big enough and know exactly what punters want so they will survive even with the smoking ban thats been in years now, 1 Adnams beer and soft drink in Old Leigh approx £6-£7, in wethys under 4 nicker and they still make a profit.
[quote][p][bold]scrounger‎[/bold] wrote: You never see an empty Wetherspoons pub, perhaps the other pubs should bring their prices in line and stop playing loud music that nobody wants to hear.[/p][/quote]yes £2.20 for a proper pint of crafted beer, excellent Breakfasts, and all day food with deals to be had, although they do campaign against the high tax rate they have to pay they are big enough and know exactly what punters want so they will survive even with the smoking ban thats been in years now, 1 Adnams beer and soft drink in Old Leigh approx £6-£7, in wethys under 4 nicker and they still make a profit. Robin Reliant
  • Score: 24

10:32pm Mon 14 Jul 14

John Right says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
John Right wrote:
Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there..
You calling others rude.

Isn't that a bit like the pot and kettle scenario?

Actually a lot of this is down to Labour and their smoking ban. I am not a smoker and I don't like it in my face but live and let live. What's wrong with a bar for smokers and one for non smokers where it's possible to do that.

Also the licensing hours introduced by Labour brought about all sorts of related problems. It created more late night anti social behaviour and in a sense killed itself. I know a lot of people that won't go to pubs any more, especially in towns because the p*ss heads who stay in there all day and all night because they have nothing better to spend their money on, make life a misery for people who just want to enjoy themselves without getting off their face.

This is not all down to the current Government. Labour's social engineering created a hostile environment for all things traditionally British and their total enslavement to the EU also meant that British culture was subdued and discouraged. Pubs are quintessentially English in particular and have traditionally been watering holes for decent hard working people, from all sorts of backgrounds, to relax.

It's all part of the Leftie plan to obliterate anything that even smacks of British or Englishness. If it doesn't fit in with their multi culti ideology, out it goes. Unfortunately the rot set in when they were in power and the Tories haven't really rectified the situation. But they were very clever with their social engineering when they set about deconstructing the British way of life.

UKIP were running a save our pubs campaign up until a year or two ago, until the Lefties infiltrated their senior management and their so called policy making geek Timur Aker is himself not a promoter of our culture although he enjoys partaking of a few gallons of booze himself, by all accounts. But then all Lefties are hypocrites as we all know.

As regulars here will know, I don't think if you put them all together it would make one decent political party. I have friends of different political persuasions but only because I agree with their particular political stance not their party politics, although SOME policies from each party do resonate.

How long before Lefties are actively encouraging the closure of anything that's so traditional it may cause "offence"? Oh silly me, they're already doing it. By stealth.

I don't think the current Government can be blamed totally for the current situation with pubs.

There are a lot of factors and reasons why a lot of things in this country are being sold off, lost, destroyed or closed down : anti-English/British culture politics, selfishness and greed, social engineering, political correctness, nanny state and also apathy on the part of the British public.

Also, people have now been taxed to the eyeballs by the continuous drip-drip of the EU stealth tax faucet. Many can no longer afford a night out at the pub and are buying cheap booze and staying at home. So that's another nail in the coffin.

Blame all political parties for this scenario but most of all, blame Lefties. They infest every and I mean EVERY political party nowadays and are the biggest killjoys going. If they don't like it, you can guarantee it will be gone - and they will try everything in the book to make sure it's wiped off the face of the earth. Pubs are potential meeting grounds for REAL patriots who are proud of our culture and who are apt to fly the St George Cross even when there is no football on. God forbid! Not multi culti enough for the Lefties.

It's the modern brand of Puritanism. And it's working. Until we decide enough is enough.
I was wondering how long it would, before you reminded us all of UKIP's input could have been, and note the phrase could have been..
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there..[/p][/quote]You calling others rude. Isn't that a bit like the pot and kettle scenario? Actually a lot of this is down to Labour and their smoking ban. I am not a smoker and I don't like it in my face but live and let live. What's wrong with a bar for smokers and one for non smokers where it's possible to do that. Also the licensing hours introduced by Labour brought about all sorts of related problems. It created more late night anti social behaviour and in a sense killed itself. I know a lot of people that won't go to pubs any more, especially in towns because the p*ss heads who stay in there all day and all night because they have nothing better to spend their money on, make life a misery for people who just want to enjoy themselves without getting off their face. This is not all down to the current Government. Labour's social engineering created a hostile environment for all things traditionally British and their total enslavement to the EU also meant that British culture was subdued and discouraged. Pubs are quintessentially English in particular and have traditionally been watering holes for decent hard working people, from all sorts of backgrounds, to relax. It's all part of the Leftie plan to obliterate anything that even smacks of British or Englishness. If it doesn't fit in with their multi culti ideology, out it goes. Unfortunately the rot set in when they were in power and the Tories haven't really rectified the situation. But they were very clever with their social engineering when they set about deconstructing the British way of life. UKIP were running a save our pubs campaign up until a year or two ago, until the Lefties infiltrated their senior management and their so called policy making geek Timur Aker is himself not a promoter of our culture although he enjoys partaking of a few gallons of booze himself, by all accounts. But then all Lefties are hypocrites as we all know. As regulars here will know, I don't think if you put them all together it would make one decent political party. I have friends of different political persuasions but only because I agree with their particular political stance not their party politics, although SOME policies from each party do resonate. How long before Lefties are actively encouraging the closure of anything that's so traditional it may cause "offence"? Oh silly me, they're already doing it. By stealth. I don't think the current Government can be blamed totally for the current situation with pubs. There are a lot of factors and reasons why a lot of things in this country are being sold off, lost, destroyed or closed down : anti-English/British culture politics, selfishness and greed, social engineering, political correctness, nanny state and also apathy on the part of the British public. Also, people have now been taxed to the eyeballs by the continuous drip-drip of the EU stealth tax faucet. Many can no longer afford a night out at the pub and are buying cheap booze and staying at home. So that's another nail in the coffin. Blame all political parties for this scenario but most of all, blame Lefties. They infest every and I mean EVERY political party nowadays and are the biggest killjoys going. If they don't like it, you can guarantee it will be gone - and they will try everything in the book to make sure it's wiped off the face of the earth. Pubs are potential meeting grounds for REAL patriots who are proud of our culture and who are apt to fly the St George Cross even when there is no football on. God forbid! Not multi culti enough for the Lefties. It's the modern brand of Puritanism. And it's working. Until we decide enough is enough.[/p][/quote]I was wondering how long it would, before you reminded us all of UKIP's input could have been, and note the phrase could have been.. John Right
  • Score: -3

11:08pm Mon 14 Jul 14

emcee says...

Visiting a pub should be a pleasant, sociable experience where one can enjoy a drink, a cigarette (if that's your bag), a game of pool or darts, some friendly conversation and a bar snack if you become peckish, and maybe with some "background" music for atmosphere, All this without the fear of small children running around your ankles or whining at the table next to you.
However, drinking in pubs has not only become expensive but too many have either an air of walking into an unruly neighbours house with loud music and unsavoury characters or a creche full of uncontrollable kids.

Pubs were the last sactuary for "adults" to get away from the annoyances of daily life so is it any wonder nobody wants to visit pubs anymore when they can stay at home where they do not have to pay extra to suffer those annoyances and can also have a fag if they want one.
Visiting a pub should be a pleasant, sociable experience where one can enjoy a drink, a cigarette (if that's your bag), a game of pool or darts, some friendly conversation and a bar snack if you become peckish, and maybe with some "background" music for atmosphere, All this without the fear of small children running around your ankles or whining at the table next to you. However, drinking in pubs has not only become expensive but too many have either an air of walking into an unruly neighbours house with loud music and unsavoury characters or a creche full of uncontrollable kids. Pubs were the last sactuary for "adults" to get away from the annoyances of daily life so is it any wonder nobody wants to visit pubs anymore when they can stay at home where they do not have to pay extra to suffer those annoyances and can also have a fag if they want one. emcee
  • Score: 31

6:48am Tue 15 Jul 14

Happy Chickie says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
John Right wrote:
Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there..
You calling others rude.

Isn't that a bit like the pot and kettle scenario?

Actually a lot of this is down to Labour and their smoking ban. I am not a smoker and I don't like it in my face but live and let live. What's wrong with a bar for smokers and one for non smokers where it's possible to do that.

Also the licensing hours introduced by Labour brought about all sorts of related problems. It created more late night anti social behaviour and in a sense killed itself. I know a lot of people that won't go to pubs any more, especially in towns because the p*ss heads who stay in there all day and all night because they have nothing better to spend their money on, make life a misery for people who just want to enjoy themselves without getting off their face.

This is not all down to the current Government. Labour's social engineering created a hostile environment for all things traditionally British and their total enslavement to the EU also meant that British culture was subdued and discouraged. Pubs are quintessentially English in particular and have traditionally been watering holes for decent hard working people, from all sorts of backgrounds, to relax.

It's all part of the Leftie plan to obliterate anything that even smacks of British or Englishness. If it doesn't fit in with their multi culti ideology, out it goes. Unfortunately the rot set in when they were in power and the Tories haven't really rectified the situation. But they were very clever with their social engineering when they set about deconstructing the British way of life.

UKIP were running a save our pubs campaign up until a year or two ago, until the Lefties infiltrated their senior management and their so called policy making geek Timur Aker is himself not a promoter of our culture although he enjoys partaking of a few gallons of booze himself, by all accounts. But then all Lefties are hypocrites as we all know.

As regulars here will know, I don't think if you put them all together it would make one decent political party. I have friends of different political persuasions but only because I agree with their particular political stance not their party politics, although SOME policies from each party do resonate.

How long before Lefties are actively encouraging the closure of anything that's so traditional it may cause "offence"? Oh silly me, they're already doing it. By stealth.

I don't think the current Government can be blamed totally for the current situation with pubs.

There are a lot of factors and reasons why a lot of things in this country are being sold off, lost, destroyed or closed down : anti-English/British culture politics, selfishness and greed, social engineering, political correctness, nanny state and also apathy on the part of the British public.

Also, people have now been taxed to the eyeballs by the continuous drip-drip of the EU stealth tax faucet. Many can no longer afford a night out at the pub and are buying cheap booze and staying at home. So that's another nail in the coffin.

Blame all political parties for this scenario but most of all, blame Lefties. They infest every and I mean EVERY political party nowadays and are the biggest killjoys going. If they don't like it, you can guarantee it will be gone - and they will try everything in the book to make sure it's wiped off the face of the earth. Pubs are potential meeting grounds for REAL patriots who are proud of our culture and who are apt to fly the St George Cross even when there is no football on. God forbid! Not multi culti enough for the Lefties.

It's the modern brand of Puritanism. And it's working. Until we decide enough is enough.
God you really are most boring thing on earth.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there..[/p][/quote]You calling others rude. Isn't that a bit like the pot and kettle scenario? Actually a lot of this is down to Labour and their smoking ban. I am not a smoker and I don't like it in my face but live and let live. What's wrong with a bar for smokers and one for non smokers where it's possible to do that. Also the licensing hours introduced by Labour brought about all sorts of related problems. It created more late night anti social behaviour and in a sense killed itself. I know a lot of people that won't go to pubs any more, especially in towns because the p*ss heads who stay in there all day and all night because they have nothing better to spend their money on, make life a misery for people who just want to enjoy themselves without getting off their face. This is not all down to the current Government. Labour's social engineering created a hostile environment for all things traditionally British and their total enslavement to the EU also meant that British culture was subdued and discouraged. Pubs are quintessentially English in particular and have traditionally been watering holes for decent hard working people, from all sorts of backgrounds, to relax. It's all part of the Leftie plan to obliterate anything that even smacks of British or Englishness. If it doesn't fit in with their multi culti ideology, out it goes. Unfortunately the rot set in when they were in power and the Tories haven't really rectified the situation. But they were very clever with their social engineering when they set about deconstructing the British way of life. UKIP were running a save our pubs campaign up until a year or two ago, until the Lefties infiltrated their senior management and their so called policy making geek Timur Aker is himself not a promoter of our culture although he enjoys partaking of a few gallons of booze himself, by all accounts. But then all Lefties are hypocrites as we all know. As regulars here will know, I don't think if you put them all together it would make one decent political party. I have friends of different political persuasions but only because I agree with their particular political stance not their party politics, although SOME policies from each party do resonate. How long before Lefties are actively encouraging the closure of anything that's so traditional it may cause "offence"? Oh silly me, they're already doing it. By stealth. I don't think the current Government can be blamed totally for the current situation with pubs. There are a lot of factors and reasons why a lot of things in this country are being sold off, lost, destroyed or closed down : anti-English/British culture politics, selfishness and greed, social engineering, political correctness, nanny state and also apathy on the part of the British public. Also, people have now been taxed to the eyeballs by the continuous drip-drip of the EU stealth tax faucet. Many can no longer afford a night out at the pub and are buying cheap booze and staying at home. So that's another nail in the coffin. Blame all political parties for this scenario but most of all, blame Lefties. They infest every and I mean EVERY political party nowadays and are the biggest killjoys going. If they don't like it, you can guarantee it will be gone - and they will try everything in the book to make sure it's wiped off the face of the earth. Pubs are potential meeting grounds for REAL patriots who are proud of our culture and who are apt to fly the St George Cross even when there is no football on. God forbid! Not multi culti enough for the Lefties. It's the modern brand of Puritanism. And it's working. Until we decide enough is enough.[/p][/quote]God you really are most boring thing on earth. Happy Chickie
  • Score: 8

7:58am Tue 15 Jul 14

pembury53 says...

Robin Reliant wrote:
scrounger‎ wrote:
You never see an empty Wetherspoons pub, perhaps the other pubs should bring their prices in line and stop playing loud music that nobody wants to hear.
yes £2.20 for a proper pint of crafted beer, excellent Breakfasts, and all day food with deals to be had, although they do campaign against the high tax rate they have to pay they are big enough and know exactly what punters want so they will survive even with the smoking ban thats been in years now, 1 Adnams beer and soft drink in Old Leigh approx £6-£7, in wethys under 4 nicker and they still make a profit.
6 to 7 quid in old leigh maybe, but the more affluent punters queue up to pay it...... wetherspoons fill a vital niche in the market, those on benefits and low incomes flock there in droves....
[quote][p][bold]Robin Reliant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrounger‎[/bold] wrote: You never see an empty Wetherspoons pub, perhaps the other pubs should bring their prices in line and stop playing loud music that nobody wants to hear.[/p][/quote]yes £2.20 for a proper pint of crafted beer, excellent Breakfasts, and all day food with deals to be had, although they do campaign against the high tax rate they have to pay they are big enough and know exactly what punters want so they will survive even with the smoking ban thats been in years now, 1 Adnams beer and soft drink in Old Leigh approx £6-£7, in wethys under 4 nicker and they still make a profit.[/p][/quote]6 to 7 quid in old leigh maybe, but the more affluent punters queue up to pay it...... wetherspoons fill a vital niche in the market, those on benefits and low incomes flock there in droves.... pembury53
  • Score: 5

8:21am Tue 15 Jul 14

Royr says...

The King of Southend wrote:
Canvey Club is where the action is.
There are rumours that even this venerable venue might close!
[quote][p][bold]The King of Southend[/bold] wrote: Canvey Club is where the action is.[/p][/quote]There are rumours that even this venerable venue might close! Royr
  • Score: 3

8:49am Tue 15 Jul 14

sesibollox says...

emcee wrote:
Visiting a pub should be a pleasant, sociable experience where one can enjoy a drink, a cigarette (if that's your bag), a game of pool or darts, some friendly conversation and a bar snack if you become peckish, and maybe with some "background" music for atmosphere, All this without the fear of small children running around your ankles or whining at the table next to you.
However, drinking in pubs has not only become expensive but too many have either an air of walking into an unruly neighbours house with loud music and unsavoury characters or a creche full of uncontrollable kids.

Pubs were the last sactuary for "adults" to get away from the annoyances of daily life so is it any wonder nobody wants to visit pubs anymore when they can stay at home where they do not have to pay extra to suffer those annoyances and can also have a fag if they want one.
In the good old days women and brats, were banned from pubs..
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Visiting a pub should be a pleasant, sociable experience where one can enjoy a drink, a cigarette (if that's your bag), a game of pool or darts, some friendly conversation and a bar snack if you become peckish, and maybe with some "background" music for atmosphere, All this without the fear of small children running around your ankles or whining at the table next to you. However, drinking in pubs has not only become expensive but too many have either an air of walking into an unruly neighbours house with loud music and unsavoury characters or a creche full of uncontrollable kids. Pubs were the last sactuary for "adults" to get away from the annoyances of daily life so is it any wonder nobody wants to visit pubs anymore when they can stay at home where they do not have to pay extra to suffer those annoyances and can also have a fag if they want one.[/p][/quote]In the good old days women and brats, were banned from pubs.. sesibollox
  • Score: 16

9:08am Tue 15 Jul 14

John Right says...

Visiting a pub should be a pleasant, sociable experience where one can enjoy a drink, a cigarette (if that's your bag), a game of pool or darts, some friendly conversation and a bar snack if you become peckish, and maybe with some "background" music for atmosphere, All this without the fear of small children running around your ankles or whining at the table next to you.
However, drinking in pubs has not only become expensive but too many have either an air of walking into an unruly neighbours house with loud music and unsavoury characters or a creche full of uncontrollable kids.

Pubs were the last sactuary for "adults" to get away from the annoyances of daily life so is it any wonder nobody wants to visit pubs anymore when they can stay at home where they do not have to pay extra to suffer those annoyances and can also have a fag if they want one.
Visiting a pub should be a pleasant, sociable experience where one can enjoy a drink, a cigarette (if that's your bag), a game of pool or darts, some friendly conversation and a bar snack if you become peckish, and maybe with some "background" music for atmosphere, All this without the fear of small children running around your ankles or whining at the table next to you. However, drinking in pubs has not only become expensive but too many have either an air of walking into an unruly neighbours house with loud music and unsavoury characters or a creche full of uncontrollable kids. Pubs were the last sactuary for "adults" to get away from the annoyances of daily life so is it any wonder nobody wants to visit pubs anymore when they can stay at home where they do not have to pay extra to suffer those annoyances and can also have a fag if they want one. John Right
  • Score: 2

9:59am Tue 15 Jul 14

_Lotus_ says...

sesibollox wrote:
emcee wrote:
Visiting a pub should be a pleasant, sociable experience where one can enjoy a drink, a cigarette (if that's your bag), a game of pool or darts, some friendly conversation and a bar snack if you become peckish, and maybe with some "background" music for atmosphere, All this without the fear of small children running around your ankles or whining at the table next to you.
However, drinking in pubs has not only become expensive but too many have either an air of walking into an unruly neighbours house with loud music and unsavoury characters or a creche full of uncontrollable kids.

Pubs were the last sactuary for "adults" to get away from the annoyances of daily life so is it any wonder nobody wants to visit pubs anymore when they can stay at home where they do not have to pay extra to suffer those annoyances and can also have a fag if they want one.
In the good old days women and brats, were banned from pubs..
Women were never barred from pubs. Kids were.
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Visiting a pub should be a pleasant, sociable experience where one can enjoy a drink, a cigarette (if that's your bag), a game of pool or darts, some friendly conversation and a bar snack if you become peckish, and maybe with some "background" music for atmosphere, All this without the fear of small children running around your ankles or whining at the table next to you. However, drinking in pubs has not only become expensive but too many have either an air of walking into an unruly neighbours house with loud music and unsavoury characters or a creche full of uncontrollable kids. Pubs were the last sactuary for "adults" to get away from the annoyances of daily life so is it any wonder nobody wants to visit pubs anymore when they can stay at home where they do not have to pay extra to suffer those annoyances and can also have a fag if they want one.[/p][/quote]In the good old days women and brats, were banned from pubs..[/p][/quote]Women were never barred from pubs. Kids were. _Lotus_
  • Score: 13

10:14pm Tue 15 Jul 14

ThisYear says...

Happy Chickie wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
John Right wrote:
Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there..
You calling others rude.

Isn't that a bit like the pot and kettle scenario?

Actually a lot of this is down to Labour and their smoking ban. I am not a smoker and I don't like it in my face but live and let live. What's wrong with a bar for smokers and one for non smokers where it's possible to do that.

Also the licensing hours introduced by Labour brought about all sorts of related problems. It created more late night anti social behaviour and in a sense killed itself. I know a lot of people that won't go to pubs any more, especially in towns because the p*ss heads who stay in there all day and all night because they have nothing better to spend their money on, make life a misery for people who just want to enjoy themselves without getting off their face.

This is not all down to the current Government. Labour's social engineering created a hostile environment for all things traditionally British and their total enslavement to the EU also meant that British culture was subdued and discouraged. Pubs are quintessentially English in particular and have traditionally been watering holes for decent hard working people, from all sorts of backgrounds, to relax.

It's all part of the Leftie plan to obliterate anything that even smacks of British or Englishness. If it doesn't fit in with their multi culti ideology, out it goes. Unfortunately the rot set in when they were in power and the Tories haven't really rectified the situation. But they were very clever with their social engineering when they set about deconstructing the British way of life.

UKIP were running a save our pubs campaign up until a year or two ago, until the Lefties infiltrated their senior management and their so called policy making geek Timur Aker is himself not a promoter of our culture although he enjoys partaking of a few gallons of booze himself, by all accounts. But then all Lefties are hypocrites as we all know.

As regulars here will know, I don't think if you put them all together it would make one decent political party. I have friends of different political persuasions but only because I agree with their particular political stance not their party politics, although SOME policies from each party do resonate.

How long before Lefties are actively encouraging the closure of anything that's so traditional it may cause "offence"? Oh silly me, they're already doing it. By stealth.

I don't think the current Government can be blamed totally for the current situation with pubs.

There are a lot of factors and reasons why a lot of things in this country are being sold off, lost, destroyed or closed down : anti-English/British culture politics, selfishness and greed, social engineering, political correctness, nanny state and also apathy on the part of the British public.

Also, people have now been taxed to the eyeballs by the continuous drip-drip of the EU stealth tax faucet. Many can no longer afford a night out at the pub and are buying cheap booze and staying at home. So that's another nail in the coffin.

Blame all political parties for this scenario but most of all, blame Lefties. They infest every and I mean EVERY political party nowadays and are the biggest killjoys going. If they don't like it, you can guarantee it will be gone - and they will try everything in the book to make sure it's wiped off the face of the earth. Pubs are potential meeting grounds for REAL patriots who are proud of our culture and who are apt to fly the St George Cross even when there is no football on. God forbid! Not multi culti enough for the Lefties.

It's the modern brand of Puritanism. And it's working. Until we decide enough is enough.
God you really are most boring thing on earth.
Would you pity any person around her for any length of time per day?
[quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there..[/p][/quote]You calling others rude. Isn't that a bit like the pot and kettle scenario? Actually a lot of this is down to Labour and their smoking ban. I am not a smoker and I don't like it in my face but live and let live. What's wrong with a bar for smokers and one for non smokers where it's possible to do that. Also the licensing hours introduced by Labour brought about all sorts of related problems. It created more late night anti social behaviour and in a sense killed itself. I know a lot of people that won't go to pubs any more, especially in towns because the p*ss heads who stay in there all day and all night because they have nothing better to spend their money on, make life a misery for people who just want to enjoy themselves without getting off their face. This is not all down to the current Government. Labour's social engineering created a hostile environment for all things traditionally British and their total enslavement to the EU also meant that British culture was subdued and discouraged. Pubs are quintessentially English in particular and have traditionally been watering holes for decent hard working people, from all sorts of backgrounds, to relax. It's all part of the Leftie plan to obliterate anything that even smacks of British or Englishness. If it doesn't fit in with their multi culti ideology, out it goes. Unfortunately the rot set in when they were in power and the Tories haven't really rectified the situation. But they were very clever with their social engineering when they set about deconstructing the British way of life. UKIP were running a save our pubs campaign up until a year or two ago, until the Lefties infiltrated their senior management and their so called policy making geek Timur Aker is himself not a promoter of our culture although he enjoys partaking of a few gallons of booze himself, by all accounts. But then all Lefties are hypocrites as we all know. As regulars here will know, I don't think if you put them all together it would make one decent political party. I have friends of different political persuasions but only because I agree with their particular political stance not their party politics, although SOME policies from each party do resonate. How long before Lefties are actively encouraging the closure of anything that's so traditional it may cause "offence"? Oh silly me, they're already doing it. By stealth. I don't think the current Government can be blamed totally for the current situation with pubs. There are a lot of factors and reasons why a lot of things in this country are being sold off, lost, destroyed or closed down : anti-English/British culture politics, selfishness and greed, social engineering, political correctness, nanny state and also apathy on the part of the British public. Also, people have now been taxed to the eyeballs by the continuous drip-drip of the EU stealth tax faucet. Many can no longer afford a night out at the pub and are buying cheap booze and staying at home. So that's another nail in the coffin. Blame all political parties for this scenario but most of all, blame Lefties. They infest every and I mean EVERY political party nowadays and are the biggest killjoys going. If they don't like it, you can guarantee it will be gone - and they will try everything in the book to make sure it's wiped off the face of the earth. Pubs are potential meeting grounds for REAL patriots who are proud of our culture and who are apt to fly the St George Cross even when there is no football on. God forbid! Not multi culti enough for the Lefties. It's the modern brand of Puritanism. And it's working. Until we decide enough is enough.[/p][/quote]God you really are most boring thing on earth.[/p][/quote]Would you pity any person around her for any length of time per day? ThisYear
  • Score: 1

10:18pm Tue 15 Jul 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
John Right wrote:
Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there..
You calling others rude.

Isn't that a bit like the pot and kettle scenario?

Actually a lot of this is down to Labour and their smoking ban. I am not a smoker and I don't like it in my face but live and let live. What's wrong with a bar for smokers and one for non smokers where it's possible to do that.

Also the licensing hours introduced by Labour brought about all sorts of related problems. It created more late night anti social behaviour and in a sense killed itself. I know a lot of people that won't go to pubs any more, especially in towns because the p*ss heads who stay in there all day and all night because they have nothing better to spend their money on, make life a misery for people who just want to enjoy themselves without getting off their face.

This is not all down to the current Government. Labour's social engineering created a hostile environment for all things traditionally British and their total enslavement to the EU also meant that British culture was subdued and discouraged. Pubs are quintessentially English in particular and have traditionally been watering holes for decent hard working people, from all sorts of backgrounds, to relax.

It's all part of the Leftie plan to obliterate anything that even smacks of British or Englishness. If it doesn't fit in with their multi culti ideology, out it goes. Unfortunately the rot set in when they were in power and the Tories haven't really rectified the situation. But they were very clever with their social engineering when they set about deconstructing the British way of life.

UKIP were running a save our pubs campaign up until a year or two ago, until the Lefties infiltrated their senior management and their so called policy making geek Timur Aker is himself not a promoter of our culture although he enjoys partaking of a few gallons of booze himself, by all accounts. But then all Lefties are hypocrites as we all know.

As regulars here will know, I don't think if you put them all together it would make one decent political party. I have friends of different political persuasions but only because I agree with their particular political stance not their party politics, although SOME policies from each party do resonate.

How long before Lefties are actively encouraging the closure of anything that's so traditional it may cause "offence"? Oh silly me, they're already doing it. By stealth.

I don't think the current Government can be blamed totally for the current situation with pubs.

There are a lot of factors and reasons why a lot of things in this country are being sold off, lost, destroyed or closed down : anti-English/British culture politics, selfishness and greed, social engineering, political correctness, nanny state and also apathy on the part of the British public.

Also, people have now been taxed to the eyeballs by the continuous drip-drip of the EU stealth tax faucet. Many can no longer afford a night out at the pub and are buying cheap booze and staying at home. So that's another nail in the coffin.

Blame all political parties for this scenario but most of all, blame Lefties. They infest every and I mean EVERY political party nowadays and are the biggest killjoys going. If they don't like it, you can guarantee it will be gone - and they will try everything in the book to make sure it's wiped off the face of the earth. Pubs are potential meeting grounds for REAL patriots who are proud of our culture and who are apt to fly the St George Cross even when there is no football on. God forbid! Not multi culti enough for the Lefties.

It's the modern brand of Puritanism. And it's working. Until we decide enough is enough.
You are one seriously deranged person..anyone thumbing you up at anytime is really like baiting a village idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Right[/bold] wrote: Badly run pubs deserve to go out of business, the Windjammer will hopefully be next, a quick look on the website PubUtopia will reveal the most common reason, rude bar staff, which means people dont care to go there..[/p][/quote]You calling others rude. Isn't that a bit like the pot and kettle scenario? Actually a lot of this is down to Labour and their smoking ban. I am not a smoker and I don't like it in my face but live and let live. What's wrong with a bar for smokers and one for non smokers where it's possible to do that. Also the licensing hours introduced by Labour brought about all sorts of related problems. It created more late night anti social behaviour and in a sense killed itself. I know a lot of people that won't go to pubs any more, especially in towns because the p*ss heads who stay in there all day and all night because they have nothing better to spend their money on, make life a misery for people who just want to enjoy themselves without getting off their face. This is not all down to the current Government. Labour's social engineering created a hostile environment for all things traditionally British and their total enslavement to the EU also meant that British culture was subdued and discouraged. Pubs are quintessentially English in particular and have traditionally been watering holes for decent hard working people, from all sorts of backgrounds, to relax. It's all part of the Leftie plan to obliterate anything that even smacks of British or Englishness. If it doesn't fit in with their multi culti ideology, out it goes. Unfortunately the rot set in when they were in power and the Tories haven't really rectified the situation. But they were very clever with their social engineering when they set about deconstructing the British way of life. UKIP were running a save our pubs campaign up until a year or two ago, until the Lefties infiltrated their senior management and their so called policy making geek Timur Aker is himself not a promoter of our culture although he enjoys partaking of a few gallons of booze himself, by all accounts. But then all Lefties are hypocrites as we all know. As regulars here will know, I don't think if you put them all together it would make one decent political party. I have friends of different political persuasions but only because I agree with their particular political stance not their party politics, although SOME policies from each party do resonate. How long before Lefties are actively encouraging the closure of anything that's so traditional it may cause "offence"? Oh silly me, they're already doing it. By stealth. I don't think the current Government can be blamed totally for the current situation with pubs. There are a lot of factors and reasons why a lot of things in this country are being sold off, lost, destroyed or closed down : anti-English/British culture politics, selfishness and greed, social engineering, political correctness, nanny state and also apathy on the part of the British public. Also, people have now been taxed to the eyeballs by the continuous drip-drip of the EU stealth tax faucet. Many can no longer afford a night out at the pub and are buying cheap booze and staying at home. So that's another nail in the coffin. Blame all political parties for this scenario but most of all, blame Lefties. They infest every and I mean EVERY political party nowadays and are the biggest killjoys going. If they don't like it, you can guarantee it will be gone - and they will try everything in the book to make sure it's wiped off the face of the earth. Pubs are potential meeting grounds for REAL patriots who are proud of our culture and who are apt to fly the St George Cross even when there is no football on. God forbid! Not multi culti enough for the Lefties. It's the modern brand of Puritanism. And it's working. Until we decide enough is enough.[/p][/quote]You are one seriously deranged person..anyone thumbing you up at anytime is really like baiting a village idiot. ThisYear
  • Score: 14

10:39pm Tue 15 Jul 14

sesibollox says...

Robin Reliant wrote:
scrounger‎ wrote:
You never see an empty Wetherspoons pub, perhaps the other pubs should bring their prices in line and stop playing loud music that nobody wants to hear.
yes £2.20 for a proper pint of crafted beer, excellent Breakfasts, and all day food with deals to be had, although they do campaign against the high tax rate they have to pay they are big enough and know exactly what punters want so they will survive even with the smoking ban thats been in years now, 1 Adnams beer and soft drink in Old Leigh approx £6-£7, in wethys under 4 nicker and they still make a profit.
For very good reason, the high prices keep Gandyism out of Leigh, she has been banished to a flat above Bar Blanco
[quote][p][bold]Robin Reliant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrounger‎[/bold] wrote: You never see an empty Wetherspoons pub, perhaps the other pubs should bring their prices in line and stop playing loud music that nobody wants to hear.[/p][/quote]yes £2.20 for a proper pint of crafted beer, excellent Breakfasts, and all day food with deals to be had, although they do campaign against the high tax rate they have to pay they are big enough and know exactly what punters want so they will survive even with the smoking ban thats been in years now, 1 Adnams beer and soft drink in Old Leigh approx £6-£7, in wethys under 4 nicker and they still make a profit.[/p][/quote]For very good reason, the high prices keep Gandyism out of Leigh, she has been banished to a flat above Bar Blanco sesibollox
  • Score: 8
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