Kerry Waters who lost leg in bike crash in Brays Lane, Canewdon, is told she can’t get benefits

So positive – but Kerry is disappointed she is not entitled to benefits during her rehabilitation

So positive – but Kerry is disappointed she is not entitled to benefits during her rehabilitation

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A WOMAN who lost her leg in a horrific motorbike accident has been told she’s not entitled to disability benefits because she only returned from working abroad 18 months ago.

Kerry Waters, 29, a dental nurse, lost part of her right leg after losing control of her bike in Brays Lane, Canewdon.

Kerry, who lives with her mum, Lisa, in Alexandra Road, Ashingdon, is currently undergoing intense rehabilitation at Queen Mary’s Hospital, Roehampton, to prepare her for wearing a prosthetic leg.

But she has now been told she does not qualify for disability allowance because she only came back from working in Australia 18 months ago.

Kerry said: “I’m so upset about this news. I have asked my nan, Angie, to write a letter to the local MP to try to get the rules changed.

“I have a lot going on at the moment. In a year’s time it will be a different story and I’ll have a job again, but right now I need some support. It seems when you need it most, the support is not there. I have always paid my taxes and worked hard, I can’t believe I don’t qualify.”

Kerry, who grew up in Ashingdon, applied for Personal Independence Payment, which replaced Disability Living Allowance from last year, but was told she had been declined because she had been in the country for less than two years.

She added: “You cannot choose when you are ill, can you? It is not like I wanted this to happen to me. I worked in Australia for two years and came back 18 months ago. I had no idea this meant I didn’t qualify for any support.

“I know lots of people who work abroad in Commonwealth countries like Australia, I doubt any of them realise this effectively prevents them from being ill and needing support when they return home.”

However, Kerry has not let the distressing news stop her on focusing on her rehab.

She said: “I have been going to the gym and doing cardio and weights to build my strength.

I’ve met a lot of amazing people here, including a lady who has lost both her legs and she walks – she has really inspired me.

“I have been told that I might need another operation to remove my kneecap because it is causing me pain to walk. But I am going to carry on and stay positive, what else can you do?”

A spokesman for the Department of Work and Pensions, said: “The old DLA system was outdated, with the majority of claimants getting the benefit for life without systematic checks on their condition.

“Personal Independence Payment includes a face-to-face assessment and regular reviews to ensure support goes to those who need it most. It is funded from general taxation and does not depend on an individual's National Insurance contributions.

To be eligible someone needs to have been in the country for two years in the last three years.”

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7:57am Tue 19 Aug 14

CHRISTMAS CAROL says...

What is going on . Give the money to anybody, except thoes who deserve it, how stupid. Appeal and appeal again and again.
What is going on . Give the money to anybody, except thoes who deserve it, how stupid. Appeal and appeal again and again. CHRISTMAS CAROL
  • Score: 330

8:39am Tue 19 Aug 14

scrounger‎ says...

I bet they don't say this to the Tilbury 34.
I bet they don't say this to the Tilbury 34. scrounger‎
  • Score: 303

9:23am Tue 19 Aug 14

n-unknown says...

Does the person who made the final decision seriously think he/she is in the right?!

Just another example which shows why England Limited's rules, regulations and laws are a complete joke and run by individuals who cannot think for themselves.
Does the person who made the final decision seriously think he/she is in the right?! Just another example which shows why England Limited's rules, regulations and laws are a complete joke and run by individuals who cannot think for themselves. n-unknown
  • Score: 205

9:36am Tue 19 Aug 14

Happy Chickie says...

"To be eligible someone needs to have been in the country for two years in the last three years"

She has only been back here 18 months, so they are right to deny her benefits.

This is a non story.
"To be eligible someone needs to have been in the country for two years in the last three years" She has only been back here 18 months, so they are right to deny her benefits. This is a non story. Happy Chickie
  • Score: -241

9:38am Tue 19 Aug 14

Russ13 says...

Why is it that genuine, decent people and people who REALLY need a little help/support are made to struggle yet any asylum seeker, workshy loser, immigrant etc are handed money on a silver platter?

This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others.

OK, there are situations where some people will choose to live outside of the UK to avoid paying taxes so I would agree that someone in that situation shouldn't get this kind of help but countless young people go travelling or have a year or two working abroad.

OK, they may have not contributed much (or anything) to "the pot" but then how many people are on Job Seekers for years having never worked a day in their lives or contributed to "the pot"?
Why is it that genuine, decent people and people who REALLY need a little help/support are made to struggle yet any asylum seeker, workshy loser, immigrant etc are handed money on a silver platter? This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others. OK, there are situations where some people will choose to live outside of the UK to avoid paying taxes so I would agree that someone in that situation shouldn't get this kind of help but countless young people go travelling or have a year or two working abroad. OK, they may have not contributed much (or anything) to "the pot" but then how many people are on Job Seekers for years having never worked a day in their lives or contributed to "the pot"? Russ13
  • Score: 230

10:48am Tue 19 Aug 14

beejiu says...

The rules are like this because so many people have concerns about immigrants coming and claiming benefits. The government cannot target immigrants directly, because rules have to apply equally to UK citizens under European laws, so they have to use this lax definition of 'person being resident for 2 out of 3 years'.
The rules are like this because so many people have concerns about immigrants coming and claiming benefits. The government cannot target immigrants directly, because rules have to apply equally to UK citizens under European laws, so they have to use this lax definition of 'person being resident for 2 out of 3 years'. beejiu
  • Score: 61

11:16am Tue 19 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

If you haven't put in, you can't take out.
If you haven't put in, you can't take out. sesibollox
  • Score: -85

11:19am Tue 19 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

Russ13 wrote:
Why is it that genuine, decent people and people who REALLY need a little help/support are made to struggle yet any asylum seeker, workshy loser, immigrant etc are handed money on a silver platter?

This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others.

OK, there are situations where some people will choose to live outside of the UK to avoid paying taxes so I would agree that someone in that situation shouldn't get this kind of help but countless young people go travelling or have a year or two working abroad.

OK, they may have not contributed much (or anything) to "the pot" but then how many people are on Job Seekers for years having never worked a day in their lives or contributed to "the pot"?
Firstly I accept your ignorance of the basic requirements of the essential criterea of making a claim, but please, try to shown you have at least an understanding...Doh
[quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: Why is it that genuine, decent people and people who REALLY need a little help/support are made to struggle yet any asylum seeker, workshy loser, immigrant etc are handed money on a silver platter? This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others. OK, there are situations where some people will choose to live outside of the UK to avoid paying taxes so I would agree that someone in that situation shouldn't get this kind of help but countless young people go travelling or have a year or two working abroad. OK, they may have not contributed much (or anything) to "the pot" but then how many people are on Job Seekers for years having never worked a day in their lives or contributed to "the pot"?[/p][/quote]Firstly I accept your ignorance of the basic requirements of the essential criterea of making a claim, but please, try to shown you have at least an understanding...Doh sesibollox
  • Score: -69

11:50am Tue 19 Aug 14

JuliaSmith says...

This is just typical.... immigrants can arrive and claim benefits, yet this British born citizen can't make a claim for the benefit she clearly needs and should be entitled to.
This is just typical.... immigrants can arrive and claim benefits, yet this British born citizen can't make a claim for the benefit she clearly needs and should be entitled to. JuliaSmith
  • Score: 151

12:15pm Tue 19 Aug 14

charrop65 says...

My mum lost her parking permit. She's 80, can only walk 5 steps before her legs swell up but she's fit as a fiddle in their eyes. If this poor girl was an immigrant social service would be climbing over each other to help her.
My mum lost her parking permit. She's 80, can only walk 5 steps before her legs swell up but she's fit as a fiddle in their eyes. If this poor girl was an immigrant social service would be climbing over each other to help her. charrop65
  • Score: 159

12:59pm Tue 19 Aug 14

ca2bbca2bb says...

I was living abroad for 18 months whilst training for a new qualification, the government still made to pay full council tax and road tax! Very quick to steal your money, don't want to listen when your in need!
I was living abroad for 18 months whilst training for a new qualification, the government still made to pay full council tax and road tax! Very quick to steal your money, don't want to listen when your in need! ca2bbca2bb
  • Score: 97

1:32pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Rouge9 says...

ca2bbca2bb wrote:
I was living abroad for 18 months whilst training for a new qualification, the government still made to pay full council tax and road tax! Very quick to steal your money, don't want to listen when your in need!
If you own a property, or a vehicle, even if you are living abroad you still have to pay your dues.

She decided not to live here for 2 years, then come here and expect to be given everything? I sympathise with her, the loss of a leg is awful and it sounds like she has the right positive attitude. I wish her well
There should be a way of getting around the checks, especially for someone who was born here, but then that openss the door to "Health Tourism" live abroad, don't pay taxes here, but expect the country to help you when it suits.
[quote][p][bold]ca2bbca2bb[/bold] wrote: I was living abroad for 18 months whilst training for a new qualification, the government still made to pay full council tax and road tax! Very quick to steal your money, don't want to listen when your in need![/p][/quote]If you own a property, or a vehicle, even if you are living abroad you still have to pay your dues. She decided not to live here for 2 years, then come here and expect to be given everything? I sympathise with her, the loss of a leg is awful and it sounds like she has the right positive attitude. I wish her well There should be a way of getting around the checks, especially for someone who was born here, but then that openss the door to "Health Tourism" live abroad, don't pay taxes here, but expect the country to help you when it suits. Rouge9
  • Score: -25

3:06pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Idontknowy says...

From reading the article it seems this lady has only been out of the country for two years and has paid her way in taxes etc. the rest of the time here. Yet she cannot get help when she most needs it yet joe foreigner who hasn't contibuted anything to our system can tip up and get everything. Before anyone shouts the racist card I am not racist but I am extremely resentful. Our government needs to buck its ideas up - charity beginas at home.
From reading the article it seems this lady has only been out of the country for two years and has paid her way in taxes etc. the rest of the time here. Yet she cannot get help when she most needs it yet joe foreigner who hasn't contibuted anything to our system can tip up and get everything. Before anyone shouts the racist card I am not racist but I am extremely resentful. Our government needs to buck its ideas up - charity beginas at home. Idontknowy
  • Score: 117

3:53pm Tue 19 Aug 14

elf123 says...

I was an expat and paid my taxes whist living and working abroad to the UK government. I also paid into the French health scheme and paid tax to France. However after 15 years living outside the UK but paying my taxes to the UK I was then denied the vote in the UK. I say no vote no taxes. When you return home to the UK after a protracted period living and working for a UK company and paying your taxes into the UK you are treated like a money laundering terrorist. It took 3 months to get a TV license! The list of problems put up against you when you return `home`(??) is vast.
I was an expat and paid my taxes whist living and working abroad to the UK government. I also paid into the French health scheme and paid tax to France. However after 15 years living outside the UK but paying my taxes to the UK I was then denied the vote in the UK. I say no vote no taxes. When you return home to the UK after a protracted period living and working for a UK company and paying your taxes into the UK you are treated like a money laundering terrorist. It took 3 months to get a TV license! The list of problems put up against you when you return `home`(??) is vast. elf123
  • Score: 66

5:58pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Gingabeech1 says...

Idontknowy wrote:
From reading the article it seems this lady has only been out of the country for two years and has paid her way in taxes etc. the rest of the time here. Yet she cannot get help when she most needs it yet joe foreigner who hasn't contibuted anything to our system can tip up and get everything. Before anyone shouts the racist card I am not racist but I am extremely resentful. Our government needs to buck its ideas up - charity beginas at home.
I agree with everything you've said, if you dare to disagree with the way things are going in this country, the powers that be will call you racist, thank God our young soldiers who lost their lives in two World Wars are not here to see the joke this country has become, they would wonder why they bothered. Like you I am not racist, but I am also resentful that a succession of weak governments have allowed others to come here and take advantage. I appreciate we also have our own scroungers, but this lady is not one of them. I hope she gets the help she needs.
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowy[/bold] wrote: From reading the article it seems this lady has only been out of the country for two years and has paid her way in taxes etc. the rest of the time here. Yet she cannot get help when she most needs it yet joe foreigner who hasn't contibuted anything to our system can tip up and get everything. Before anyone shouts the racist card I am not racist but I am extremely resentful. Our government needs to buck its ideas up - charity beginas at home.[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you've said, if you dare to disagree with the way things are going in this country, the powers that be will call you racist, thank God our young soldiers who lost their lives in two World Wars are not here to see the joke this country has become, they would wonder why they bothered. Like you I am not racist, but I am also resentful that a succession of weak governments have allowed others to come here and take advantage. I appreciate we also have our own scroungers, but this lady is not one of them. I hope she gets the help she needs. Gingabeech1
  • Score: 61

6:11pm Tue 19 Aug 14

LoopyLou88 says...

Logicasense - if youve never had depression you dont know whats it like. it makes every day things really hard - you have good days and bad days the bad days are the days where you just lay in bed pretty much unable to do anything, the good days are the days where you are able to go out and do things. gardening is actually suggested to people who have depression by their dr's as gardening is supposed to be theraputic.. so before your spout your crapola about how someone with depression cannot do a bit of gardening - look into things before spouting out your crapola :)
Logicasense - if youve never had depression you dont know whats it like. it makes every day things really hard - you have good days and bad days the bad days are the days where you just lay in bed pretty much unable to do anything, the good days are the days where you are able to go out and do things. gardening is actually suggested to people who have depression by their dr's as gardening is supposed to be theraputic.. so before your spout your crapola about how someone with depression cannot do a bit of gardening - look into things before spouting out your crapola :) LoopyLou88
  • Score: 32

7:21pm Tue 19 Aug 14

poortaxpayer says...

She needs to hop over to Belgium and get herself smuggled in by container and claim asylum and get a free house and a wheelbarrow of taxpayers cash.
She needs to hop over to Belgium and get herself smuggled in by container and claim asylum and get a free house and a wheelbarrow of taxpayers cash. poortaxpayer
  • Score: 43

7:27pm Tue 19 Aug 14

essex bad boy says...

Glad to see the Echo edited the original story to make it correct well done them
Glad to see the Echo edited the original story to make it correct well done them essex bad boy
  • Score: -6

7:34pm Tue 19 Aug 14

bazza 1 says...

Get in a lorry at Dover. Burn your passport. Put on a Burka, and refuse to speak English. They will fall over themselves giving you help and assistance. I wish you all the luck for the future, and hope someone in authority with half a brain cell starts putting things right for you.
Get in a lorry at Dover. Burn your passport. Put on a Burka, and refuse to speak English. They will fall over themselves giving you help and assistance. I wish you all the luck for the future, and hope someone in authority with half a brain cell starts putting things right for you. bazza 1
  • Score: 52

7:57pm Tue 19 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

elf123 wrote:
I was an expat and paid my taxes whist living and working abroad to the UK government. I also paid into the French health scheme and paid tax to France. However after 15 years living outside the UK but paying my taxes to the UK I was then denied the vote in the UK. I say no vote no taxes. When you return home to the UK after a protracted period living and working for a UK company and paying your taxes into the UK you are treated like a money laundering terrorist. It took 3 months to get a TV license! The list of problems put up against you when you return `home`(??) is vast.
All part of the punishment meted out to disloyal citizens I'm afraid.
If you leave thinking the the grass is greener elsewhere, don't ever think you will be welcomed back with open arms.
[quote][p][bold]elf123[/bold] wrote: I was an expat and paid my taxes whist living and working abroad to the UK government. I also paid into the French health scheme and paid tax to France. However after 15 years living outside the UK but paying my taxes to the UK I was then denied the vote in the UK. I say no vote no taxes. When you return home to the UK after a protracted period living and working for a UK company and paying your taxes into the UK you are treated like a money laundering terrorist. It took 3 months to get a TV license! The list of problems put up against you when you return `home`(??) is vast.[/p][/quote]All part of the punishment meted out to disloyal citizens I'm afraid. If you leave thinking the the grass is greener elsewhere, don't ever think you will be welcomed back with open arms. sesibollox
  • Score: 3

8:20pm Tue 19 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

It's not all doom and gloom, she has and will continue to get free NHS care and support.
It's not all doom and gloom, she has and will continue to get free NHS care and support. sesibollox
  • Score: 12

8:48pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Asbocat says...

Russ13 wrote:
Why is it that genuine, decent people and people who REALLY need a little help/support are made to struggle yet any asylum seeker, workshy loser, immigrant etc are handed money on a silver platter?

This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others.

OK, there are situations where some people will choose to live outside of the UK to avoid paying taxes so I would agree that someone in that situation shouldn't get this kind of help but countless young people go travelling or have a year or two working abroad.

OK, they may have not contributed much (or anything) to "the pot" but then how many people are on Job Seekers for years having never worked a day in their lives or contributed to "the pot"?
This isn't about JSA or ESA, it's about PIP.. But don't let the facts get in the way of an irrelevant rant, eh Russ?
[quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: Why is it that genuine, decent people and people who REALLY need a little help/support are made to struggle yet any asylum seeker, workshy loser, immigrant etc are handed money on a silver platter? This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others. OK, there are situations where some people will choose to live outside of the UK to avoid paying taxes so I would agree that someone in that situation shouldn't get this kind of help but countless young people go travelling or have a year or two working abroad. OK, they may have not contributed much (or anything) to "the pot" but then how many people are on Job Seekers for years having never worked a day in their lives or contributed to "the pot"?[/p][/quote]This isn't about JSA or ESA, it's about PIP.. But don't let the facts get in the way of an irrelevant rant, eh Russ? Asbocat
  • Score: -8

8:23am Wed 20 Aug 14

clever monkey says...

They have to have some kind of cut-off period to stop ex-pats who get sick from abusing the system, I kind of sympathize with her, but folks should be blaming all the ex-pats over the years you go abroad for an easy life, them come running back home for 'free' medical care and benefits...whatever cut-off period they choose, someone will be worse off because of it.
They have to have some kind of cut-off period to stop ex-pats who get sick from abusing the system, I kind of sympathize with her, but folks should be blaming all the ex-pats over the years you go abroad for an easy life, them come running back home for 'free' medical care and benefits...whatever cut-off period they choose, someone will be worse off because of it. clever monkey
  • Score: 5

8:39am Wed 20 Aug 14

Dadoftwo says...

elf123 wrote:
I was an expat and paid my taxes whist living and working abroad to the UK government. I also paid into the French health scheme and paid tax to France. However after 15 years living outside the UK but paying my taxes to the UK I was then denied the vote in the UK. I say no vote no taxes. When you return home to the UK after a protracted period living and working for a UK company and paying your taxes into the UK you are treated like a money laundering terrorist. It took 3 months to get a TV license! The list of problems put up against you when you return `home`(??) is vast.
Can you explain why you paid two lots of taxes, as you seem to be saying that you were paying both British and French at the same time? Since the vast majority of people don't want to pay one set you must be very conscientious to pay two, especially if you weren't living in this country at the time. (Or are you like another poster on here who thinks that paying council tax on a property here and road tax on a vehicle here constitute paying income tax and national insurance?)
As for taking three months to get a tv licence, if you look online you can get one over the counter at any paypoint outlet.
I sympathise with the lady in the article, what's happened to her is terrible , but the NHS will continue to look after her at little or no cost. Maybe the rules should change, someone born and brought up here who goes to a commonwealth country to work should be treated as continuous residence which would still allow the government to restrict benefits to those who choose to go abroad and earn money in non commonwealth countries.
[quote][p][bold]elf123[/bold] wrote: I was an expat and paid my taxes whist living and working abroad to the UK government. I also paid into the French health scheme and paid tax to France. However after 15 years living outside the UK but paying my taxes to the UK I was then denied the vote in the UK. I say no vote no taxes. When you return home to the UK after a protracted period living and working for a UK company and paying your taxes into the UK you are treated like a money laundering terrorist. It took 3 months to get a TV license! The list of problems put up against you when you return `home`(??) is vast.[/p][/quote]Can you explain why you paid two lots of taxes, as you seem to be saying that you were paying both British and French at the same time? Since the vast majority of people don't want to pay one set you must be very conscientious to pay two, especially if you weren't living in this country at the time. (Or are you like another poster on here who thinks that paying council tax on a property here and road tax on a vehicle here constitute paying income tax and national insurance?) As for taking three months to get a tv licence, if you look online you can get one over the counter at any paypoint outlet. I sympathise with the lady in the article, what's happened to her is terrible , but the NHS will continue to look after her at little or no cost. Maybe the rules should change, someone born and brought up here who goes to a commonwealth country to work should be treated as continuous residence which would still allow the government to restrict benefits to those who choose to go abroad and earn money in non commonwealth countries. Dadoftwo
  • Score: 7

10:13am Wed 20 Aug 14

bellend1 says...

kerry, I hope things sort themselves out. You have suffered enough and I as a tax payer am more than happy for you to get all the financial help you need. i only hope the negative people who have responded to this story never suffer what you have been through. We are supposed to be a caring society and can only apologise for their comments.
kerry, I hope things sort themselves out. You have suffered enough and I as a tax payer am more than happy for you to get all the financial help you need. i only hope the negative people who have responded to this story never suffer what you have been through. We are supposed to be a caring society and can only apologise for their comments. bellend1
  • Score: 23

10:41am Wed 20 Aug 14

Russ13 says...

sesibollox wrote:
Russ13 wrote:
Why is it that genuine, decent people and people who REALLY need a little help/support are made to struggle yet any asylum seeker, workshy loser, immigrant etc are handed money on a silver platter?

This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others.

OK, there are situations where some people will choose to live outside of the UK to avoid paying taxes so I would agree that someone in that situation shouldn't get this kind of help but countless young people go travelling or have a year or two working abroad.

OK, they may have not contributed much (or anything) to "the pot" but then how many people are on Job Seekers for years having never worked a day in their lives or contributed to "the pot"?
Firstly I accept your ignorance of the basic requirements of the essential criterea of making a claim, but please, try to shown you have at least an understanding...Doh
Errrrmmm..... yeah, of course, your sentence makes perfect sense......

That is perfect sense from a patronising, self-riteous keyboard warrior such as yourself.

Whilst I will admit I only have a basic grasp of the benefits system (as I've been fortunate enough to have been gainfully employed for 19 years), it doesn't take a genius to realise that there are people milking the system for all it's worth who are receiving more income sitting on their backsides' doing sweet FA than most of us slogging away at work and having to have 2 people out at work to run a house.

So please run along nicely and try to find someone else to patronise ;)
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: Why is it that genuine, decent people and people who REALLY need a little help/support are made to struggle yet any asylum seeker, workshy loser, immigrant etc are handed money on a silver platter? This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others. OK, there are situations where some people will choose to live outside of the UK to avoid paying taxes so I would agree that someone in that situation shouldn't get this kind of help but countless young people go travelling or have a year or two working abroad. OK, they may have not contributed much (or anything) to "the pot" but then how many people are on Job Seekers for years having never worked a day in their lives or contributed to "the pot"?[/p][/quote]Firstly I accept your ignorance of the basic requirements of the essential criterea of making a claim, but please, try to shown you have at least an understanding...Doh[/p][/quote]Errrrmmm..... yeah, of course, your sentence makes perfect sense...... That is perfect sense from a patronising, self-riteous keyboard warrior such as yourself. Whilst I will admit I only have a basic grasp of the benefits system (as I've been fortunate enough to have been gainfully employed for 19 years), it doesn't take a genius to realise that there are people milking the system for all it's worth who are receiving more income sitting on their backsides' doing sweet FA than most of us slogging away at work and having to have 2 people out at work to run a house. So please run along nicely and try to find someone else to patronise ;) Russ13
  • Score: 5

11:22am Wed 20 Aug 14

JohnMatrix666 says...

Tell them your from iraq or your a drug addict, they'll roll out the red carpet
Tell them your from iraq or your a drug addict, they'll roll out the red carpet JohnMatrix666
  • Score: 9

11:59am Wed 20 Aug 14

Feminism is Dead says...

charrop65 wrote:
My mum lost her parking permit. She's 80, can only walk 5 steps before her legs swell up but she's fit as a fiddle in their eyes. If this poor girl was an immigrant social service would be climbing over each other to help her.
If your mum is 80 and has legs THAT bad, she should not be driving in the first place.

For Christ's sake they should take away her licence, not just her parking permit.
[quote][p][bold]charrop65[/bold] wrote: My mum lost her parking permit. She's 80, can only walk 5 steps before her legs swell up but she's fit as a fiddle in their eyes. If this poor girl was an immigrant social service would be climbing over each other to help her.[/p][/quote]If your mum is 80 and has legs THAT bad, she should not be driving in the first place. For Christ's sake they should take away her licence, not just her parking permit. Feminism is Dead
  • Score: 8

12:18pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Russ13 says...

Asbocat wrote:
Russ13 wrote:
Why is it that genuine, decent people and people who REALLY need a little help/support are made to struggle yet any asylum seeker, workshy loser, immigrant etc are handed money on a silver platter?

This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others.

OK, there are situations where some people will choose to live outside of the UK to avoid paying taxes so I would agree that someone in that situation shouldn't get this kind of help but countless young people go travelling or have a year or two working abroad.

OK, they may have not contributed much (or anything) to "the pot" but then how many people are on Job Seekers for years having never worked a day in their lives or contributed to "the pot"?
This isn't about JSA or ESA, it's about PIP.. But don't let the facts get in the way of an irrelevant rant, eh Russ?
Please retract your neck a little towards your body and read what I said.......

Tell you what I'll make it easy for you.....

I said "This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others"

My point wasn't specifically about JSA, ESA or PIP, it was about the benefits situation in general and the fact that too many people have been receiving assistance for too long when they shouldn't really get it, don't really need it or haven't done anything to earn it.

So please, get your facts straight eh Asbocat and try to read things properly before commenting and as for my "rant", that was far from a rant lol

Surely you must have some better things to fight from your keyboard?
[quote][p][bold]Asbocat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: Why is it that genuine, decent people and people who REALLY need a little help/support are made to struggle yet any asylum seeker, workshy loser, immigrant etc are handed money on a silver platter? This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others. OK, there are situations where some people will choose to live outside of the UK to avoid paying taxes so I would agree that someone in that situation shouldn't get this kind of help but countless young people go travelling or have a year or two working abroad. OK, they may have not contributed much (or anything) to "the pot" but then how many people are on Job Seekers for years having never worked a day in their lives or contributed to "the pot"?[/p][/quote]This isn't about JSA or ESA, it's about PIP.. But don't let the facts get in the way of an irrelevant rant, eh Russ?[/p][/quote]Please retract your neck a little towards your body and read what I said....... Tell you what I'll make it easy for you..... I said "This situation needs to be addressed along with countless others" My point wasn't specifically about JSA, ESA or PIP, it was about the benefits situation in general and the fact that too many people have been receiving assistance for too long when they shouldn't really get it, don't really need it or haven't done anything to earn it. So please, get your facts straight eh Asbocat and try to read things properly before commenting and as for my "rant", that was far from a rant lol Surely you must have some better things to fight from your keyboard? Russ13
  • Score: 1

1:47pm Wed 20 Aug 14

andy:) says...

sesibollox wrote:
If you haven't put in, you can't take out.
Not really true, for example if you claim JSA, you can get a contributry version and a non-contributry version but both pay the same.

This case shows that the rules are ratjher harsh, for example someone could of worked 60 years and paid an absolute fortune to the governm,ent in taxes but lives abroad for two years and it entitled to nothing (for certain benefits) which is clearly rather unfair.
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: If you haven't put in, you can't take out.[/p][/quote]Not really true, for example if you claim JSA, you can get a contributry version and a non-contributry version but both pay the same. This case shows that the rules are ratjher harsh, for example someone could of worked 60 years and paid an absolute fortune to the governm,ent in taxes but lives abroad for two years and it entitled to nothing (for certain benefits) which is clearly rather unfair. andy:)
  • Score: 8

3:16pm Wed 20 Aug 14

beaulocks says...

elf123 wrote:
I was an expat and paid my taxes whist living and working abroad to the UK government. I also paid into the French health scheme and paid tax to France. However after 15 years living outside the UK but paying my taxes to the UK I was then denied the vote in the UK. I say no vote no taxes. When you return home to the UK after a protracted period living and working for a UK company and paying your taxes into the UK you are treated like a money laundering terrorist. It took 3 months to get a TV license! The list of problems put up against you when you return `home`(??) is vast.
Go back then.
[quote][p][bold]elf123[/bold] wrote: I was an expat and paid my taxes whist living and working abroad to the UK government. I also paid into the French health scheme and paid tax to France. However after 15 years living outside the UK but paying my taxes to the UK I was then denied the vote in the UK. I say no vote no taxes. When you return home to the UK after a protracted period living and working for a UK company and paying your taxes into the UK you are treated like a money laundering terrorist. It took 3 months to get a TV license! The list of problems put up against you when you return `home`(??) is vast.[/p][/quote]Go back then. beaulocks
  • Score: -5

6:54pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Kiffy5 says...

This happened to us. We left the UK several years ago 2007. When we returned my wife had heart failure. After an aortic valve replacement and and facing a 2 year recovery. My wife has been forced to return to work. During that time she has been admitted to hospital twice with blood loss and failure of the hospital to prescribe the correct medication.
Before we left the UK we both worked for 38 years solid and decided in 2007 to take a break. During our absence laws were changed pushing our ability to claim old age pension at 65.
In the country where we lived abroad we were not allowed to work, had no access to benefits or free medical care. Yet it seems we are swamped with non UK Citizens all of which claim benefits including child care. Something we might add was not available when we brought our children up. For 14 months now we have had to live without any income and have never claimed a single penny from the state.
This happened to us. We left the UK several years ago 2007. When we returned my wife had heart failure. After an aortic valve replacement and and facing a 2 year recovery. My wife has been forced to return to work. During that time she has been admitted to hospital twice with blood loss and failure of the hospital to prescribe the correct medication. Before we left the UK we both worked for 38 years solid and decided in 2007 to take a break. During our absence laws were changed pushing our ability to claim old age pension at 65. In the country where we lived abroad we were not allowed to work, had no access to benefits or free medical care. Yet it seems we are swamped with non UK Citizens all of which claim benefits including child care. Something we might add was not available when we brought our children up. For 14 months now we have had to live without any income and have never claimed a single penny from the state. Kiffy5
  • Score: 7

12:17pm Fri 22 Aug 14

AuldGit says...

Feminism is Dead wrote:
charrop65 wrote:
My mum lost her parking permit. She's 80, can only walk 5 steps before her legs swell up but she's fit as a fiddle in their eyes. If this poor girl was an immigrant social service would be climbing over each other to help her.
If your mum is 80 and has legs THAT bad, she should not be driving in the first place.

For Christ's sake they should take away her licence, not just her parking permit.
The parking permit is not for the driver, it is for the disabled person who in many instances is a passenger. I know at least two parking permit holders who have never driven nor owned a car, but are able to use them when they are passengers in someone else's car.
[quote][p][bold]Feminism is Dead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrop65[/bold] wrote: My mum lost her parking permit. She's 80, can only walk 5 steps before her legs swell up but she's fit as a fiddle in their eyes. If this poor girl was an immigrant social service would be climbing over each other to help her.[/p][/quote]If your mum is 80 and has legs THAT bad, she should not be driving in the first place. For Christ's sake they should take away her licence, not just her parking permit.[/p][/quote]The parking permit is not for the driver, it is for the disabled person who in many instances is a passenger. I know at least two parking permit holders who have never driven nor owned a car, but are able to use them when they are passengers in someone else's car. AuldGit
  • Score: 4

9:09pm Fri 22 Aug 14

bolshiesaf says...

Why is this young lady complaining, these rules have been the same forever you must have 2 full years of paid contributions to receive whatever the benefit is Sickness, Incapacity or ESA.

This has effected hundreds of people who have never left the country she chose to leave the country and work abroad and should try seeing if she can claim anything from Australia I guess probably not.

So she does not meet the contributions to claim and I therefore presume she also does not meet the means tested either.

Well here am I a British Citizen all my life with full contribution record and I am not entitled due to means testing and do as the rest of the disabled including myself do work and claim time off as a Reasonable Adjustment for visiting the hospital part of Equality Act 2010.
I have lived this way for many years and to be honest losing part of your leg is nothing compared to what others suffer through no fault of their own and I am sure that unless the accident was her fault she will be paid a large sum from the insurers and if it was her fault why as a motorcyclist a very damgerous activity (speaking as an ex motorcylist from a motorcycling family) did she not have Personal Injury Insurance.
Why is this young lady complaining, these rules have been the same forever you must have 2 full years of paid contributions to receive whatever the benefit is Sickness, Incapacity or ESA. This has effected hundreds of people who have never left the country she chose to leave the country and work abroad and should try seeing if she can claim anything from Australia I guess probably not. So she does not meet the contributions to claim and I therefore presume she also does not meet the means tested either. Well here am I a British Citizen all my life with full contribution record and I am not entitled due to means testing and do as the rest of the disabled including myself do work and claim time off as a Reasonable Adjustment for visiting the hospital part of Equality Act 2010. I have lived this way for many years and to be honest losing part of your leg is nothing compared to what others suffer through no fault of their own and I am sure that unless the accident was her fault she will be paid a large sum from the insurers and if it was her fault why as a motorcyclist a very damgerous activity (speaking as an ex motorcylist from a motorcycling family) did she not have Personal Injury Insurance. bolshiesaf
  • Score: 1

4:19am Sat 23 Aug 14

tokyontroyzee says...

Happy Chickie wrote:
"To be eligible someone needs to have been in the country for two years in the last three years"

She has only been back here 18 months, so they are right to deny her benefits.

This is a non story.
....she is british.....I bet all those terrorist s that have left the country will be back soon begging for benifits and they will get it.....
top marks for being a complete arsehole...........
[quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: "To be eligible someone needs to have been in the country for two years in the last three years" She has only been back here 18 months, so they are right to deny her benefits. This is a non story.[/p][/quote]....she is british.....I bet all those terrorist s that have left the country will be back soon begging for benifits and they will get it..... top marks for being a complete arsehole........... tokyontroyzee
  • Score: 0

4:25am Sat 23 Aug 14

tokyontroyzee says...

beejiu wrote:
The rules are like this because so many people have concerns about immigrants coming and claiming benefits. The government cannot target immigrants directly, because rules have to apply equally to UK citizens under European laws, so they have to use this lax definition of 'person being resident for 2 out of 3 years'.
You jobs worth little ****.....she is british and entitled to help....just like Abdul and his family from Africa......
[quote][p][bold]beejiu[/bold] wrote: The rules are like this because so many people have concerns about immigrants coming and claiming benefits. The government cannot target immigrants directly, because rules have to apply equally to UK citizens under European laws, so they have to use this lax definition of 'person being resident for 2 out of 3 years'.[/p][/quote]You jobs worth little ****.....she is british and entitled to help....just like Abdul and his family from Africa...... tokyontroyzee
  • Score: -1

6:14am Sat 23 Aug 14

Bosniavet says...

Can someone clarify this story please? Has the lady concerned been refused all benefits on the grounds of non-residence, or merely the Personal Independence Payment?
Can someone clarify this story please? Has the lady concerned been refused all benefits on the grounds of non-residence, or merely the Personal Independence Payment? Bosniavet
  • Score: 3

6:14am Sat 23 Aug 14

Bosniavet says...

Can someone clarify this story please? Has the lady concerned been refused all benefits on the grounds of non-residence, or merely the Personal Independence Payment?
Can someone clarify this story please? Has the lady concerned been refused all benefits on the grounds of non-residence, or merely the Personal Independence Payment? Bosniavet
  • Score: 3

3:22pm Sat 23 Aug 14

burghcastle says...

Why are the British people so unkind to their own, and not to strangers from other countries that couldn't give a monkeys about Britain!?
Why are the British people so unkind to their own, and not to strangers from other countries that couldn't give a monkeys about Britain!? burghcastle
  • Score: -1

3:28pm Sat 23 Aug 14

burghcastle says...

Stupid political correctness again! Look after every tom dick and harry in the world but your own? Idiots.
Stupid political correctness again! Look after every tom dick and harry in the world but your own? Idiots. burghcastle
  • Score: -2

11:19pm Sat 23 Aug 14

EcoPatriot says...

Similar story with me. Then I open the paper and see floods of immigrants getting huge houses for free.
Similar story with me. Then I open the paper and see floods of immigrants getting huge houses for free. EcoPatriot
  • Score: -2

8:24pm Sun 24 Aug 14

cairoqueen says...

Disgusting, if she had just come off a boat from Romania , she would have it handed to her on a plate.
Disgusting, if she had just come off a boat from Romania , she would have it handed to her on a plate. cairoqueen
  • Score: -1

8:33pm Sun 24 Aug 14

cairoqueen says...

Happy Chickie wrote:
"To be eligible someone needs to have been in the country for two years in the last three years"

She has only been back here 18 months, so they are right to deny her benefits.

This is a non story.
You are a disgrace she was away WORKING, she is ENGLISH, she should get help, or go to her MP
[quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: "To be eligible someone needs to have been in the country for two years in the last three years" She has only been back here 18 months, so they are right to deny her benefits. This is a non story.[/p][/quote]You are a disgrace she was away WORKING, she is ENGLISH, she should get help, or go to her MP cairoqueen
  • Score: -1

9:39pm Sun 24 Aug 14

bazza 1 says...

sesibollox wrote:
If you haven't put in, you can't take out.
So what happens to the people who are permanently unemployed, and have been on the social security for ALL of their lives then? We have hundreds of thousands who have never had gainful employment, and still get help from the Government. Our system stinks. You know it and I know it. People turn up illegally in lorries and get more help. I for one am sick of it.
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: If you haven't put in, you can't take out.[/p][/quote]So what happens to the people who are permanently unemployed, and have been on the social security for ALL of their lives then? We have hundreds of thousands who have never had gainful employment, and still get help from the Government. Our system stinks. You know it and I know it. People turn up illegally in lorries and get more help. I for one am sick of it. bazza 1
  • Score: 3

4:07pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Sugarman says...

sesibollox wrote:
If you haven't put in, you can't take out.
Except if you are an asylum seeker it seems. Or an immigrant from the EU.
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: If you haven't put in, you can't take out.[/p][/quote]Except if you are an asylum seeker it seems. Or an immigrant from the EU. Sugarman
  • Score: 0

4:10pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Sugarman says...

Is she not even going to try and get a job then?
Is she not even going to try and get a job then? Sugarman
  • Score: 3

8:36pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Whistleblower1963 says...

No where near enough information ( or should i dare use the word FACTS)in this half baked story.
Has the lady in question applied for DLA, or the Income based ESA? or is it easier for the paper to just pick up on the negative side of this story?
No where near enough information ( or should i dare use the word FACTS)in this half baked story. Has the lady in question applied for DLA, or the Income based ESA? or is it easier for the paper to just pick up on the negative side of this story? Whistleblower1963
  • Score: 0

9:34pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Shiwar says...

hey Kerry......just register to appear on that appalling show Big Brother.......if White Dee is entitled to a huge fee, I'm certain you as a tax payer would be.......

On a serious note, please appeal to the highest level......keep going girl, you're an inspiration
hey Kerry......just register to appear on that appalling show Big Brother.......if White Dee is entitled to a huge fee, I'm certain you as a tax payer would be....... On a serious note, please appeal to the highest level......keep going girl, you're an inspiration Shiwar
  • Score: 2

2:39am Fri 29 Aug 14

Martin The Vampire says...

charrop65 wrote:
My mum lost her parking permit. She's 80, can only walk 5 steps before her legs swell up but she's fit as a fiddle in their eyes. If this poor girl was an immigrant social service would be climbing over each other to help her.
is she safe to drive?
[quote][p][bold]charrop65[/bold] wrote: My mum lost her parking permit. She's 80, can only walk 5 steps before her legs swell up but she's fit as a fiddle in their eyes. If this poor girl was an immigrant social service would be climbing over each other to help her.[/p][/quote]is she safe to drive? Martin The Vampire
  • Score: 4

8:28pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Darcydoodle says...

Martin The Vampire wrote:
charrop65 wrote:
My mum lost her parking permit. She's 80, can only walk 5 steps before her legs swell up but she's fit as a fiddle in their eyes. If this poor girl was an immigrant social service would be climbing over each other to help her.
is she safe to drive?
It is very important for a person with a disability to be able to be driven to hospital or Doctors appointments by someone else and be able to park in a disabled parking space. Amazingly, some people with a disability like to be out and about, even in a wheelchair to feel part of their community. Visiting a shopping mall, a supermarket or a park can make them feel part of society. Do posters think the elderly or disabled should remain indoors and out of sight?
[quote][p][bold]Martin The Vampire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrop65[/bold] wrote: My mum lost her parking permit. She's 80, can only walk 5 steps before her legs swell up but she's fit as a fiddle in their eyes. If this poor girl was an immigrant social service would be climbing over each other to help her.[/p][/quote]is she safe to drive?[/p][/quote]It is very important for a person with a disability to be able to be driven to hospital or Doctors appointments by someone else and be able to park in a disabled parking space. Amazingly, some people with a disability like to be out and about, even in a wheelchair to feel part of their community. Visiting a shopping mall, a supermarket or a park can make them feel part of society. Do posters think the elderly or disabled should remain indoors and out of sight? Darcydoodle
  • Score: 1

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