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Updated: A127 speed cameras will nick you straight away


DRIVERS who are caught by the average speed cameras on the A127 will be prosecuted from the outset, Essex County Council confirmed yesterday.

The new cameras, between the Southend borough boundary and Nevendon, were switched on yesterday.

County council bosses initially said there would be a period of grace for drivers who were caught.

But at a press conference, transport boss Norman Hume said this would not be the case.

Between the Dick Turpin and the Southend boundary, the speed limit will be 50mph. From the pub to the Nevendon turn-off, the limit will be 70mph, but still monitored by the average speed cameras.

Mr Hume, county councillor responsible for highways and transportation, said: “We’re not out to get anyone, but there will be no grace period and the official start date was midnight last night.”

It was also revealed not all the cameras had been switched on.

Mr Hume added: “Not all are operational, but they will be over the next few days. As far as the public are concerned, it would be wrong to suggest they will get away with speeding. Police are going to be active in the meantime.”

In the past three years, four people have died and more than 250 injured on the 6.8-mile stretch between Nevendon and Southend.

The council is hoping the new measures, which cost £1.2million, will mean fewer accidents. It says the scheme will also reduce journey times by easing congestion, helping motorists save fuel.

Geoff Collins, from Speed Check Services, the company which installed the cameras, said evidence showed they could reduce accidents by 85 per cent a year.

He said they were better than Gatso cameras, which measure a motorist’s speed at the moment they pass the camera, because they encourage drivers to travel at a constant speed.

Adam Pipe, a spokesman for Essex Police, welcomed the cameras, but warned police would still be active.

He said: “We’re not going to pull away from policing the A127, but now we can concentrate on other offences like driving while using mobile phones or drink-driving.”

Cameras make little difference say motorists

MOTORISTS claim the new average speed cameras have made little difference to A127 congestion along the A127.

A 50mph limit was introduced yesterday on a 3.8-mile stretch of the road between the Dick Turpin pub, near Wickford, and the Southend boundary.

The limit increases to 70mph from the Dick Turpin to the Nevendon turn-off.

Colin Roberts, 47, from Lower Road, Hullbridge, joined the A127 from the A130 on his usual route to Ford at Dunton.

He knew the speed limits were being introduced, but found unsuspecting motorists may have been caught as no signs had been put up on the sliproad.

Mr Roberts said: “In the rush hour you can’t hit 50 mph anyway. I did notice some drivers switching lanes to try to beat the system.

“The main difference will come at off-peak times when the road is empty. It will be very difficult to keep to the 50mph limit.”

The limits and cameras have been brought in by Essex County Council, but Mr Roberts criticised it for not making other efforts to change the road. He said: “It’s annoying the council doesn’t listen to the public as I’m sure 95 per cent of drivers disagree with the new 50mph limit.

“Instead, they should look at making the road safer if they genuinely want to reduce accidents.”

Taxi driver Ralph Morgan said the new limits would stop boy racers treating the A127 as a race track late at night.

He said: “I think it’s a good idea. When you talk about the rush hour I don’t think it will make any difference, but I think the number of accidents will be cut. There have been some nasty ones involving boy racers, and hopefully they will stop.

“When you are driving into Southend you almost always get caught in solid traffic by Progress Road anyway.”

Comments(106)

4King_Ace says...
2:30am Thu 15 Jan 09

CLICK CLUNK BECAME CLICK FLASH.

streetboy75 says...
9:56am Thu 15 Jan 09

It was a joke this morning, it added 15 mins on to my travel time in to Romford, as were i turn on from the canvey turn off, you only go past one camera at the reduced speed, after that the next 2 cameras up to the mayflower retail park is back to 70, but you still had drivers going at 50, which was just holding up all the trafic, so yea the new cameras are great, NOT

DaveyB0Y says...
1:48pm Thu 15 Jan 09

These cameras have not increased sfety, and they were not designed to. If safety was the priority, straightening the fortune of war roundabout would reduce the number of accidents on the A127. (Oh i forgot, the cameras must make too much money to consider this)

RubyK says...
2:12pm Thu 15 Jan 09

This is so annoying. Usually i can do my stretch of the a127 from progress road to the canvey turn off in about 10 minutes at a constant 70mph. I usually use the road after 8pm up to about 3am and the road is dead, in these years i have never seen a accident at this time, only before 7pm usually around rushhour where i think people weave in and out of traffic. Ridiculous. They should change it to national after 8pm or something, anything, 50mph gets you nowhere fast.

Requiescat says...
2:18pm Thu 15 Jan 09

Use a motorbike - no number plate on the front

simon w says...
2:18pm Thu 15 Jan 09

A big well done should go to whoever implemented this without putting any notices up warning drivers of the implementation. At 5am this morning I drove up the A127 as normal at 70mph as was everyone else completely unaware that we were speeding. Whenever speed limits are changed, it would appear elsewhere to be policy to put up signs notifying you that they have changed. The only lit new speed limit sign is the one after progress road that you arent paying attention to because of the preceding speed camera.

I would love to know why it wasn't felt necesary to let people know about the change, the only reasonI can think of is the extra revenue that they will gain from blissfully unaware drivers.

mad dad says...
2:25pm Thu 15 Jan 09

just another money maker for the councils / goverment

mad dad says...
2:25pm Thu 15 Jan 09

just another money maker for the councils / goverment

Ivanna Goodhump says...
2:49pm Thu 15 Jan 09

RubyK wrote:
This is so annoying. Usually i can do my stretch of the a127 from progress road to the canvey turn off in about 10 minutes at a constant 70mph. I usually use the road after 8pm up to about 3am and the road is dead, in these years i have never seen a accident at this time, only before 7pm usually around rushhour where i think people weave in and out of traffic. Ridiculous. They should change it to national after 8pm or something, anything, 50mph gets you nowhere fast.
There is going to be uproar over these camera's and lower speed limits.

Already today there is evidence of traffic bunching behind idiots doing 45 in BOTH lanes and lorries elephant racing - there are going to be more accidents not less.

In addition at 1.30 this afternoon I had to crawl along a virtually empty A127 at 50 - why ?

There is little lit signage. At night if your joining from the A130 coming toward Southend there is no lit notification of new speed limit at all.

All this implemented by Councillors in Chelmsford who we cannot even vote out of office...



english_cj says...
5:06pm Thu 15 Jan 09

Soon after joining the A127 from the A130 heading London bound there is only one small 'repeater' 50 sign. But what frustrated me more was the amount of national speed limit signs that are still in place along this stretch of road.

This causes confusion among motorists - is it 50? is it 70? And when the limit increases to 70 it seems not everyone is aware as they continue to do 45-50 in both lanes.
With some driving at 50, and others driving at 70, surely this is more dangerous.

At least make sure its adequately signposted for the safety of all motorists.

streetboy75 says...
5:21pm Thu 15 Jan 09

i left work in Romford to Canvey, i which normaly takes me half hour at 70 on the A127 to get to the A130, this afternoon it took me almost an hour, this was due to drivers breaking down to 50 at the first camera from london at the mayflower retail park, when this is still 70 as the signs do state, but due to the lake of communicaion drivers just see the first camera and break, due to this i ended up doing 40 all the way to the A130, so my journey home has almost doubled, and they said it would make trafic flow better, more like the cash i the councils bank flow better,,,,,

G WHITE says...
7:07pm Thu 15 Jan 09

Thanks to the speed cameras the a127 the last few weeks has been one of the most dangerous road in Essex they put the camera but don’t bother to tell any body when they will actually be working it is absolutely disgusting. The local government & police keep telling us that it’s all for our safety. How can this be safe when you have drivers not knowing weather to do 70MPH OR 60MPH OR 50MPH they also say that it will reduce traffic they will be right there because all the speeders will just move to other B roads or the A13 surly it wouldn’t have cost much money just to put up some signs to let drivers know when the camera will be activated & when the new speed limit is going to be enforced. Even now we are still none the wiser weather they are working or not.
So many drivers just keep braking then speeding up then breaking its so dangerous you would think between the council & the police that someone would have come up with the idea inform the driving public for there safety what was happening & when.

This is just mismanagement or as most drivers will think that it is deliberate so they can get a quick return on there investment call us drivers cynical but how can you blame us.
The local council say we will have a period of grace but that it will be flexible so they can still catch a load of drivers by surprise & as I said before for a quick return on there investment.

I always drive @ 70MPH on the A127 I came home from work tonight & the new 50 MPH just seems to slow for this road & I spent more time looking at my speed than the road.


Also some of the deaths on this road have been pedestrians trying to cross it.

And to all the drivers believe the main reason for these cameras is for our safety & not for revenue. If the government told you to put your head in the oven you would!

The main killer on our road is not speed it is dangerous driving & dangerous driving can happen at any speed slow or fast

TP says...
7:09pm Thu 15 Jan 09

Another money making scheme, there are alternatives.

VictoriaLS says...
7:18pm Thu 15 Jan 09

It's all about the money!!!!!! Shame they don't like spending it in the Borough!!!

D Smith says...
8:09pm Thu 15 Jan 09

Clearly the new average speed cameras on the A127 are more about revenue than safety. How can they justify switching them on early when they are still putting up the new speed signs just this morning...
No advance signs have been put up saying when they would have been active, the new signs are small. They could at least do the decent thing by putting up larger signs saying "Average Speed Cameras Now Active - Limit 50mph"
Obviously it is about catching people out and getting the money.
If they want to do something for safety - the top surface of the A127 London bound has been missing for months now between the 300 - 100 yard markers at the Rayleigh Weir turn off, why dont they do something constructive & replace it !!!

robertsons says...
11:07pm Thu 15 Jan 09

I drove to and from basildon today totally oblivious to the fact that the new cameras were in force from today. As previously mentioned by others the signage is not clear. We have traffic information matrix signs in place on the A127 and surely they should have been informing motorists of the new speed limits in place. There are some signs saying 70 some saying 50, very confusing and disorganised! I am a responsible driver of many years and always adhere to speed limits.

Clodpole says...
11:18pm Thu 15 Jan 09

If the scheme works and we have fewer accidents or less serious injuries then great. But it's difficult to notice such a benefit as a driver unless you actually get caught in an accident.

The signage is dreadful - no warning at all heading towards Southend and in fact there's a national limit repeater literally 5 metres in front of the first 50mph sign. As you approach them they appear to be parallel. But generally there just aren't enough repeaters and it is very difficult to know what the limit actually is.

It certainly felt more dangerous on both my journeys today. Whether it is in fact safer only time will tell.

Bosniavet says...
8:55am Fri 16 Jan 09

I wonder if the fact that the new 50mph limit starts at the Dick Turpin is an attempt at humour on the part of ECC? After all, he took money from road users in his day!

Requiescat - My understanding of speed cameras is that they take pictures of the vehicle from the rear, I am sure the ANPR will no doubt do the same.

I have pointed out that this scheme will not stop the foreign registered (look around Southend, there are countless vehicles which appear to visiting here for 6 months or less, despite the fact we all know they've been here for years), cloned, stolen or untaxed/uninsured vehicles which are responsible for a lot of the behaviour this measure is designed to stop. Put the traffic patrols back on the roads, it will improve safety no end, as long as the Police drivers drive safely!

I understand that it is a requirement for adequate notice to be in place for a change of limit, & that it is illegal to have contradicting signs. I wait with interest to read of the legal challenges mounted to any speeding fines.

Dave G says...
9:21am Fri 16 Jan 09

For everyone who objects to paying fines to the county council, I have a cunning suggestion.

OBEY THE LAW

thelonewhinger says...
9:58am Fri 16 Jan 09

"Obey the law" says Dave G, trouble is from reading the comments on here it is not clear even to locals what, when, and where the multitude of speed limits on the A127 start and finish. No 50 mph signs yet on slip roads joining only small (many hidden behind trees) repeater signs along some stretches.

As for catching the dastardly criminals Techno, hope you don't get a brown envelope cos somebody used your reg.number and have to try and prove you were sat at the Echo webpage at the time!

Techno says...
10:04am Fri 16 Jan 09

I'll happily live with any mistakes made while the law is being enforced. As for being confused, dazed and downright deranged about what the speed limits are. Hers a clue, just do 50mph and it wont matter what the signs say. 70mph DOES NOT mean you have to do 70mph you plonkers.

JayF says...
10:26am Fri 16 Jan 09

thelonewhinger wrote:
"Obey the law" says Dave G, trouble is from reading the comments on here it is not clear even to locals what, when, and where the multitude of speed limits on the A127 start and finish. No 50 mph signs yet on slip roads joining only small (many hidden behind trees) repeater signs along some stretches. As for catching the dastardly criminals Techno, hope you don't get a brown envelope cos somebody used your reg.number and have to try and prove you were sat at the Echo webpage at the time!
Well I may be the first to get issued with a ticket. I was travelling from Basildon to the Rayleigh Weir at 10am on Thursday doing 70mph ooooops!
I fear this new speed limit will push traffic on to the already busy A13 and other minor roads like the A129 and A132 in the rayleigh/wickford area.
If I get caught, "fair cop gov" but I do feel more notice should have been given, especially to local drivers and I agree with "thelonewhinger" No 50 mph signs yet on slip roads joining only small (many hidden behind trees) repeater signs along some stretches. This signs need to appear on the slips roads

thelonewhinger says...
10:29am Fri 16 Jan 09

Techno wrote:
I'll happily live with any mistakes made while the law is being enforced. As for being confused, dazed and downright deranged about what the speed limits are. Hers a clue, just do 50mph and it wont matter what the signs say. 70mph DOES NOT mean you have to do 70mph you plonkers.
So Techno will be happy to receive a fixed financial penalty for sitting at his computer... Now that's what I call true dedication to a cause!

As for staying at 50 - watch out for the "criminals" doing 70 mph hitting you up the bum. Whiplash can be painfull, although, granted the compo might pay your fixed penalty fines....

Winston Smith says...
10:42am Fri 16 Jan 09

Techno wrote: 'I'll happily live with any mistakes made while the law is being enforced.'

http://news.bbc.co.u
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nigeltheduck says...
10:44am Fri 16 Jan 09

I drive to Buchurst hill everyday via the A127. I have only put about 5 mins on my journey (I travel at 06:30) and I saw plenty of signs so I am sorry - we all knew it was coming so stop whinging and get on with your lives - there are more important things to worry about! (and no I do not fully understand or agree with the speed reduction but our moaning will not change anyones mind so lets move on shall we!)

NOTORIOUS says...
10:45am Fri 16 Jan 09

how bout just buyin a car and not registering it ......job done ....... or a motorcycle ..... no front plates 120mph all the way!!!

bumper says...
10:50am Fri 16 Jan 09

got to make money .
i would like to think how meany of these cameras would be out there if you only got point and no fines ?
ye you know none ? there just a money making scam .

Tony Starr says...
11:07am Fri 16 Jan 09

Just a comment to the know-it-all idiots who bleat on about revenue raising!
The scheme was paid for by the council and a local business and is enforced by the police, incurring considerable costs. This system is known for giving high compliance and issuing very few tickets. All ticket revenue that is generated goes to the treasury, so does not benefit the council or local police! So they are NOT doing it to raise money.

Before you cry out that the Government is raking it in, Nationally speaking, speeding fine revenue took £97million for the treasury last year - sounds a lot, until you consider that they get that every couple of days from vehicle fuel taxes - then you realise speeding fines are just a drop in the ocean to the treasury!
Just grow up and realise that the scheme is there to protect drivers and other road users from the few idiots who think the road is their playground, not to fleece you!
By the way, 5 miles at 70mph takes 4.5 minutes.. at 50mph it takes 6 minutes - It is not going to make a big difference to your life!

Bosniavet says...
12:10pm Fri 16 Jan 09

In order to clarify things, I personally have no problem obeying the law & sticking to the speed limit, whatever it may be. However, it has been proved that speed cameras do not stop accidents, or prevent those who want to from breaking any number of traffic laws. The London Congestion Zone is "policed" by ANPR cameras & we were told this would ensure that all paid the fee, & it would also prevent stolen, cloned, uninsured, untaxed & illegally used foreign registered vehicles from being used in the capital - THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED!

The same technology is being used here, I am merely saying that it would be better to have the Police patrol the roads as they used to. The cameras & the limit will stop the lawbreakers. Additionally, the authorities do not seem to have handled this very well, that is what is being said here.

For the record, I obey the limits & other regulations, & have never been flashed, stopped or fined for speeding, & as I do not speed I assume this state of affairs will continue. I suggest you all read the recent articles about the millions in unpaid penalties being clocked up by illegally used foreign vehicles (you have 6 months, then have to register as a UK vehicle, or take it out the country), stolen, uninsured, cloned & the "care of Address" registered vehicles. If a Police officer physically stops a vehicle, you have the perpetrator, if a camera flashes one, you have to hope it is correctly registered.

mattsufc5 says...
12:30pm Fri 16 Jan 09

How many people will be watching there speedo and taking there eyes off the road?

Pro Police says...
12:46pm Fri 16 Jan 09

i feel i need to add there has been plenty of adverts press in relation to the change of limit.

the 50mph sign should give people a clue of the limit.

i also want to add i feel 50mph is a stupid speed for this road would of been better enforcing the 70mph limit.

Mad 'M' says...
12:46pm Fri 16 Jan 09

Well, I wouldn't want to mess with Norman, see the way he's growling, looks like he could be very nasty !!

english_cj says...
1:57pm Fri 16 Jan 09

Pro Police wrote:
i feel i need to add there has been plenty of adverts press in relation to the change of limit.

the 50mph sign should give people a clue of the limit.

i also want to add i feel 50mph is a stupid speed for this road would of been better enforcing the 70mph limit.
Regardless of the amount of prior warning of the limit change, there still should not be national speed limit signs on the road when it is now a '50'.

The 50 signs are fine if you are entering the new zone, but if you are joining the A127 from one of its many slip roads along this stretch then the signage is disgraceful.

The council need to sort this out so that there is no confusion for motorists. It was clear yesterday that most people had no idea what speed they should or shouldn't be travelling at.

thelonewhinger says...
2:04pm Fri 16 Jan 09

bumper wrote:
got to make money . i would like to think how meany of these cameras would be out there if you only got point and no fines ? ye you know none ? there just a money making scam .
In your own unique style you have actually made an excellent point here bumper - still only applies to correctly registered owners though.

Bosniavet is spot on, and if you look at most of these posts you will see we all agree on one thing -that inappropriate speeding must be stopped. We differ only on HOW. There is simply no substitute for real traffic police, backed if necessary by portable devices (not private camera vans behind hedges).........

Dave G says...
3:16pm Fri 16 Jan 09

thelonewhinger wrote:
bumper wrote:
got to make money . i would like to think how meany of these cameras would be out there if you only got point and no fines ? ye you know none ? there just a money making scam .
In your own unique style you have actually made an excellent point here bumper - still only applies to correctly registered owners though.

Bosniavet is spot on, and if you look at most of these posts you will see we all agree on one thing -that inappropriate speeding must be stopped. We differ only on HOW. There is simply no substitute for real traffic police, backed if necessary by portable devices (not private camera vans behind hedges).........
Ah, but if we got more traffic police, no doubt we'd be swamped with people telling us that the police should be catching 'proper criminals' rather than harassing poor motorists.

The thing that gets me is that I'm sure the people who are complaining loudest about this are people who also shout loudest about clamping down on other types of crime.

These cameras can clock people speeding with near 100% efficiency. Let's not tie up any more police on the roads when they've got robberies and violent crime to deal with.

mysay,canvey says...
4:01pm Fri 16 Jan 09

3 years ago both me and my husband got caught by the kent average speed cameras on the m20 when the road works were about to start. I was caught one day and he got caught the very next day. Although they had coned the lanes off, both of us failed to notice any 50 mile limit signs until on the 3rd day. 6 weeks later we both received fines of £60 each and both got 3 points on our licences. My driving speed was clocked at just 52mph and my husband's clocked at 53mph, quite an expensive 2 days. So forgive me, but I for one will stick to the limit, alas this does not mean I agree with it. Kent obviously needed our money to help pay for all the road works that are still ocurring. What I can't understand about the a127 camera's is why they stop at Nevendon and not the Fortune of war considering all the so called accidents that happen there? please don't shout at me!!!

mysay,canvey says...
4:11pm Fri 16 Jan 09

ps, these type of camera's do not flash you, so you have no idea you've been caught until the fines land on your door mat

MAM001grays says...
4:14pm Fri 16 Jan 09

I have to say this,but i have never read so much rubbish in my life the main reason for these camera's are to prevent the mindless morons in their sporty cars and motorbikes using this stretch of road to race like idiots,and the net results are the ordinary motorist who happily keeps up with the flow of traffic @70-75mph have to suffer.So next time you are caught up in a jam on this part of the 127 you know who to thank.

mysay,canvey says...
4:21pm Fri 16 Jan 09

EXCUSE ME, I drive a sports car, but I am neither a MORON or a bad driver, so don't class everyone with the same brush, I have been driving for over 20 years and I have no problem sticking to any limit!!!!

SoapBox2 says...
5:36pm Fri 16 Jan 09

Well done mysay, I also own a sports car and also have a clean DL and resent being called a mindless moron! Perhaps MAM001 had better get their facts straight before jumping to the Wrong conclusion!!!!!!!

rik says...
5:51pm Fri 16 Jan 09

As many have stated the 50mph limit is stupid in the way the highway agency and local government have handled it. I to admit Thursday morning I was on the A127 going my normal 70mph until I saw a small 50mph sign just before the Weir.
Leaving Progress road towards London you come across a flashing sign reminding you that its a 40mph and then 100yrds a camera,whilst watching to ensure you dont set the camera off 2 50mph sign are in place (I know I should have seen them but travelling this way for the last 15 years you think you know the road) Why didnt they move this or put up a temporary one like they did on the A12 flashing and reminding you that the limit has changed.
It may sound like I am defending myself for speeding but I have had a clean license for 18yrs so I dont class myself as a mis user of the roads

The Defender says...
6:06pm Fri 16 Jan 09

Techno wrote:
I'll happily live with any mistakes made while the law is being enforced. As for being confused, dazed and downright deranged about what the speed limits are. Hers a clue, just do 50mph and it wont matter what the signs say. 70mph DOES NOT mean you have to do 70mph you plonkers.
I would say if you are not comfortable driving at the national speed limit then use the roads that run parallel that are 30 or 40 mph. That way us that can drive at that speed can do so without having to coninually overtaking people who refuse to drive over 40mph. I have passed one little old lady many times on the A127 over the past few years, she always did 50 in the 70 zone. I passed her yesterday and was she doing 50mph? No, i sailed past her, its not illegal to drive at the limit and its dangerous to drive to far under it!!

Techno says...
6:15pm Fri 16 Jan 09

If you dont like having to cope with other road users then dont use the roads. It's that kind of intolerance that makes Big Brother neccesary.

BEER CAN says...
6:21pm Fri 16 Jan 09

MAM001grays wrote:
I have to say this,but i have never read so much rubbish in my life the main reason for these camera's are to prevent the mindless morons in their sporty cars and motorbikes using this stretch of road to race like idiots,and the net results are the ordinary motorist who happily keeps up with the flow of traffic @70-75mph have to suffer.So next time you are caught up in a jam on this part of the 127 you know who to thank.
How exactly is it going to stop a mindless moron on a motorcycle ????

MAM001grays says...
6:45pm Fri 16 Jan 09

mysay,canvey wrote:
EXCUSE ME, I drive a sports car, but I am neither a MORON or a bad driver, so don't class everyone with the same brush, I have been driving for over 20 years and I have no problem sticking to any limit!!!!
I drive a fast 'ish' car and an extremely fast motorcycle so i don' tar everyone with the same brush as you put it,just the mindless morons that have cocked it up for everyone else,hope that enlightens you.

Witchfinder General says...
7:12pm Fri 16 Jan 09

When I drove through that area last week there were still the National Speed Limit signs in place. That is the white disc with a diagonal black line. i hope Essex County Council has now placed signs warning drivers that the speed limit is now 50 MPH and not 70MPH as is normal on a Motorway and Dual Carriageway.

Witchfinder General says...
7:17pm Fri 16 Jan 09

I see Techno is back on this topic again. Usual Civil Service rubbish. I bet he still lives with his Mum.

SusieW says...
7:19pm Fri 16 Jan 09

I know I'm in a minority but I think the road is already safer. It's much easier to pull into the traffic and far fewer idiots weaving in and out at high speed to try and get one car in front, in fact I've only seen one in the last two days and they pulled off at Daws Heath Road. I am not a slow driver but I do like to be safe and I think tyhese cameras will help. Still let's see if the number of accidents reduce over the next 6 months.

rogernorman says...
7:24pm Fri 16 Jan 09

As an Advanced Driver I am very disappointed with the new 50mph signs that have been put up.
When leaving the Rayleigh Weir round-a-bout and going down the slip road to join the A127 London bound traffic, the 2 x 50mph signs have been put right at the start of the slip road, if you are behind a lorry or large vehicle these signs are obstructed, the next small 50mph has been put on the outside lane (central reservation) which again can be easily obstructed by a lorry because of its positioning.
Just round the bend and right in front of the new yellow Camera poles there are two small 50mph signs on top of a picture of a camera, by this time it is possible some peoples speed would be over 50mph.
While I accept the speed limit, I am very concerned that around the Rayleigh Weir area the speed signs are not positioned in easy to see places, the New 50mph on the Rayleigh Weir slip road would be better placed half way down this road and would be seen ahead.
Putting them on the corner of the r-a-b and at the begining of the slip road will cause accidents.
Several times in the last few days drivers have noticed the 50mph sign and slammed on their brakes to slow right down.
Only time will tell if this will help!!!!

Doughnut says...
7:51pm Fri 16 Jan 09

Over what period is the average taken ? I crawled home at 15mph on the A127 tonight. If it's the average over a week, so does that mean i'm in credit and I can do 85mph on Monday ? lol

evilc says...
10:08pm Fri 16 Jan 09

I try not to be personally rude on this site however today I will make an exception.

The smiling chap in the photo is a total 'Prat'

Of course there should be a few days grace period, and to stand there smiling when someone could have their licence suspended due to exceeding the limit and has driven down that road for the last 40 years etc might not know that it is in force, as I personally have seen the new signs go up and the black bags were fallen down showing 50 mph signs together with National speed limit signs all at the same time caused confusion.

A few days grace is a sensible human thing to do.

But there again the entire idea is stupid so what can one expect?

The 50 mph signs cannot be seen in the dark and fog they should be bigger and illuminated on all entrances.

streetboy75 says...
11:29pm Fri 16 Jan 09

that techno is a council boff i think, he always on there side about everything, and never anything of much point to say, lol, at the end of the day the cameras are a waist of bloody money and they are just stupid, people still dont understand that the 50 speed is only from s/end you to the dick turpin pub, the rest of the way to the may flower retail park is 70 so why are drivers still going 50 or as most are doing ,,,,,, 40.

dont care what anyone says its rubbish, rubbish, rubbish

P.J says...
11:57pm Fri 16 Jan 09

The A13 is a better bet now cant be bothered to sit in even more slow moving / stationary traffic on the A127. At least I can get some speed up without Smirking chap above in photo Knowing LOL. Just make the A127 into Three lanes and DEAL WITH IT council . Its the Only way to improve traffic flow not with AVERAGE SPEED CAMERAS , so now all the old duffers can go even slower than before.

bigidiot says...
12:15am Sat 17 Jan 09

These cameras were probably dreamed up and instigated by the same bunch of money hungry morons whose knowledge of reality only exists on paper and who supposedly represent us and who are about to push through the traffic lights scheme at cuckoo corner

paullb says...
12:25am Sat 17 Jan 09

I would like to issue "smiling" councillor Hume with a challenge that if his brilliant idea to introduce yet more revenue gathering cameras do not produce a quantifiable reduction in accidents on the A127 within the areas covered over the next six months that he will resign and admit once and for all that this is not the way forward for road safety in our borough.All reasonable motorists know what an abismal road the A127 is to travel upon due to the lack of investment provided since the road was first opened in the 1950s.
We as the users of this highway have a right to expect that our councillors should have sought out funding to bring this road up to the safety standards that we have all paid for time and time again,when on earth are us ordinary motorists going to get the roads we deserve and have paid for.

the.transporter says...
1:10am Sat 17 Jan 09

well I took my son to work this evening, on with the cruise control just under the limit and its all good! Most people have to watch the speed more now the camera's are there and I would say this is why the multi car pile was avoided by more luck than judgement when drivers panic brake even when they are not speeding,

More stressful driving, less safe and this was 8:30 tonight,

good job council!!

Katie9 says...
1:36am Sat 17 Jan 09

Katie9 wrote:
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Wrong link....

The petition is here:

http://www.facebook.
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Techno says...
10:18am Sat 17 Jan 09

Just how delusional can the loonies get! A petition of five fruitcakes wont be going very far will it.

My concern has always been these loonies are allowed to drive at all. I vote the A127 should have a basic intelligence test requirement before being allowed to use it. You know something simple like "what are the indicators for"? This would then prohibit these simpletons from being allowed to mix amongst us, protest against the Israeli's in support of terrorism, or breed. In no time at all our roads could be safe once again.

Smile, you're on average candid camera.

thelonewhinger says...
2:17pm Sat 17 Jan 09

1. Confusion is essential to money raising (ignorance is no defence)

2. Motorcyclists are not all morons Mr.Beer Can "motorcycle morons" usually get their come-uppance in A&E .

3.Cameras record number plates, DVLA make mistakes, car dealers, dodgy criminals,etc.etc. make the database unreliable - so innocent people do get done.

4.Police - There used to be "traffic" police on constant patrol - so how does this have any effect on other crime, other than perhaps catch a few more?

MAM001grays says...
4:29pm Sat 17 Jan 09

BEER CAN wrote:
MAM001grays wrote: I have to say this,but i have never read so much rubbish in my life the main reason for these camera's are to prevent the mindless morons in their sporty cars and motorbikes using this stretch of road to race like idiots,and the net results are the ordinary motorist who happily keeps up with the flow of traffic @70-75mph have to suffer.So next time you are caught up in a jam on this part of the 127 you know who to thank.
How exactly is it going to stop a mindless moron on a motorcycle ????
well according to the latest dvla data the camera facing you isn,t actually the camera that records your number plate all the cameras reccord all the lanes at the same time(a little trick they picked up from the kent camera partnerships) as the moronic elements of the motorcycling fraternity will find out to their cost.

the.transporter says...
5:28pm Sat 17 Jan 09

so following a driver in a BMW today from Basildon towards Southend at 50 in the overtaking lane, in the 70 section, confusion reigns here.. then pulls in to the correct lane at the 50 zone, as it happens this is when nothing is in front of me and very little behind - make sense to do 50? I dont see it.

Now before you all (led by Techno) start about me being obsessed by speed I am not at all, I enjoy fast driving and have been lucky enough to have taken a porsche round Brands Hatch, but I do not go everywhere as fast as I can.

If this is about road safety then put patrol cars out there, if the fines are for improving safety why dont we see the effects?

Sorry but I fail to see the safety side of these camera's - statistic's just prove what you want them to..

Ivanna Goodhump says...
5:50pm Sat 17 Jan 09

paullb wrote:
I would like to issue "smiling" councillor Hume with a challenge that if his brilliant idea to introduce yet more revenue gathering cameras do not produce a quantifiable reduction in accidents on the A127 within the areas covered over the next six months that he will resign and admit once and for all that this is not the way forward for road safety in our borough.All reasonable motorists know what an abismal road the A127 is to travel upon due to the lack of investment provided since the road was first opened in the 1950s. We as the users of this highway have a right to expect that our councillors should have sought out funding to bring this road up to the safety standards that we have all paid for time and time again,when on earth are us ordinary motorists going to get the roads we deserve and have paid for.
This would be the same Councillor Hume who lives in South Woodham Ferrers, commutes to work in Chelmsford so rarely has to use the A127 at all and cannot be democratically removed by the residents of Southend who's lives he is making a misery.

I rang ECC the day after the switch on to complain about four things :

1. The blanket 50 mph limit at all times.

2. Lack of signage on slip roads.

3. Lack of lit signs at night.

4. Lack of warning of speed limit change.

The response was a just a load of unbelievable drivel from a chap who obviously had never worked in the real world.

One could only conclude from his response that ECC have deliberately set out to entrap drivers in the early stages of this scheme.

I did ascertain that if people want to complain about these cameras they need to contact :

Rosemary Welch, Network & Safety Manager, County Hall, Chelmsford.

So come on lets bombard her, Mr (Smirky) Hume and the Chairman of Keymed (who part funded this scheme)with legitimate objections.




Ivanna Goodhump says...
5:57pm Sat 17 Jan 09

Ivanna Goodhump wrote:
paullb wrote: I would like to issue "smiling" councillor Hume with a challenge that if his brilliant idea to introduce yet more revenue gathering cameras do not produce a quantifiable reduction in accidents on the A127 within the areas covered over the next six months that he will resign and admit once and for all that this is not the way forward for road safety in our borough.All reasonable motorists know what an abismal road the A127 is to travel upon due to the lack of investment provided since the road was first opened in the 1950s. We as the users of this highway have a right to expect that our councillors should have sought out funding to bring this road up to the safety standards that we have all paid for time and time again,when on earth are us ordinary motorists going to get the roads we deserve and have paid for.
This would be the same Councillor Hume who lives in South Woodham Ferrers, commutes to work in Chelmsford so rarely has to use the A127 at all and cannot be democratically removed by the residents of Southend who's lives he is making a misery. I rang ECC the day after the switch on to complain about four things : 1. The blanket 50 mph limit at all times. 2. Lack of signage on slip roads. 3. Lack of lit signs at night. 4. Lack of warning of speed limit change. The response was a just a load of unbelievable drivel from a chap who obviously had never worked in the real world. One could only conclude from his response that ECC have deliberately set out to entrap drivers in the early stages of this scheme. I did ascertain that if people want to complain about these cameras they need to contact : Rosemary Welch, Network & Safety Manager, County Hall, Chelmsford. So come on lets bombard her, Mr (Smirky) Hume and the Chairman of Keymed (who part funded this scheme)with legitimate objections.
Slight correction - Mr Hume lives in Danbury and represents Maldon.

Below is his home address and email (all published on the ECC website)


Norman Hume (C)
8 Hyde Green,
Danbury,
Chelmsford,
Essex CM3 4QU

Email: Cllr.Norman.Hume@ess
excc.gov.uk

Get writing.

essexlad08 says...
6:23pm Sat 17 Jan 09

Just another way for our Goverment to make money from road users. No wonder the country is in the state it is.

Techno says...
6:55pm Sat 17 Jan 09

How can they make money out of you if you dont speed?

the.transporter says...
7:01pm Sat 17 Jan 09

Hey Techno do these forums bore you?

whilst I agree dont speed dont get fined approach, but then the other side if the rules are realistic then no one would need complain, 50MPH when no one else is around is not realistic

But that is the sledgehammer to crack a walnut approach that is the driving force behind the camera's

have a good weekend all.

Winston Smith says...
7:08pm Sat 17 Jan 09

Is this the same Councillor Hume who, when confronted with road pricing trials in Essex, said, “We cannot support something that has the potential to unfairly penalise motorists in this way."


See here: http://www.express.c
o.uk/posts/view/7981
8/New-revolt-over-sp
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What a hypocrite!

Winston Smith says...
7:18pm Sat 17 Jan 09

I should add that although Councillor Hume does not think it right for the government to screw the motorist, it is perfectly ok for Councillor Hume to screw the motorist.

I suggest all drivers who disagree with these draconian measures remember Councillor Hume's name next time the Council elections come up.

Ivanna Goodhump says...
7:24pm Sat 17 Jan 09

the.transporter wrote:
Hey Techno do these forums bore you? whilst I agree dont speed dont get fined approach, but then the other side if the rules are realistic then no one would need complain, 50MPH when no one else is around is not realistic But that is the sledgehammer to crack a walnut approach that is the driving force behind the camera's have a good weekend all.
Poor Techno,

64, ginger, unmarried, living at home with Mum, banned from the library for dribbling over the Sun Newspaper, never passed his test, unable even to hold down a trolley collecting job at Tesco.

What else has he to do .... :)

Ivanna Goodhump says...
7:27pm Sat 17 Jan 09

Winston Smith wrote:
I should add that although Councillor Hume does not think it right for the government to screw the motorist, it is perfectly ok for Councillor Hume to screw the motorist. I suggest all drivers who disagree with these draconian measures remember Councillor Hume's name next time the Council elections come up.
Correct me if I am wrong Winston but I didn't think residents of Southend could vote in the ECC elections.

Techno says...
8:03pm Sat 17 Jan 09

The rules are perfectly realistic. The only problem is the village idiots who dont like rules, usually the same ones causing the need for the rules in the first place.

It's like dumb and dumber and dumber.

Thames Gateway says...
8:40pm Sat 17 Jan 09

I am against the average speed cameras also.
They discriminate against those that have made the effort to time their journeys away from the peak times (Yes, remember the councils all encouraging this not too long ago in the past - staggered starting times for businesses etc, as a way of helping the congestion).

Essex council have f***ed up big time on this and totally misread the feeling of the locals. One can only assume that they are still p*ssed off that Southend left their grasp to become a unitary authority, and this is the only way they think they get back at Southend, by further degrading the transport infrastructure into the town, in order to make it less competitive when compared to the likes of Chelmsford.

If this was based on safety, these would have been variable speed limit signs as seen on the M25, which I don't think anyone would really object to as long as they were used only when traffic density increased.

I can think of one good use for the yellow gantries (look just like you would draw in the game 'hang-man')...

the.transporter says...
9:09pm Sat 17 Jan 09

Techno wrote:
The rules are perfectly realistic. The only problem is the village idiots who dont like rules, usually the same ones causing the need for the rules in the first place.

It's like dumb and dumber and dumber.
Right and how do you work that one out? If you think 50 is realistic then why not 40 or 30? Would stop more accidents then wouldnt it? Techno, it is starting to sound like you have never passed your test or you are employed by the government to justify idiots, I am not against the push against unsafe drivers in any way shape or form, 1 but camera's are against one thing!

I would much rather follow a Police car at 55 than see this narrow minded view

Techno says...
9:34pm Sat 17 Jan 09

Yes you are quite right slower speeds do indeed help prevent accidents. Glad to see the penny is starting to drop.

Cameras are there to protect us all, and to punish the idiots who insist on breaking the law. There is no option to have cameras OR police and there never was. Lack of police is another issue completely.

the.transporter says...
9:41pm Sat 17 Jan 09

so 30MPH on a 3 lane motorway is a good idea?

£1.2 mil would have brought some decent police time that would have done much more than catch speeding drivers

you better start planning how to stop motorsport...

Techno says...
10:19pm Sat 17 Jan 09

How the loonies protesteth when they're tanked up. It was hard enough making sense of your illogical rantings before you got tanked up!

I do hope you're not driving tonight or you'll very likely be collared by the cameras and our bobbies. I dread to think how that could enrage you both.

Mind you it is good knowing the law is targetting the right people for a change. Keep it up we need the funding for average speed cameras on the A13 now and your pennies will be greatfully received.

Ah a chain! I wonder what happens if I pull it?

the.transporter says...
10:53pm Sat 17 Jan 09

Techno I fear your postings are as illogical and ridiculous as the speed camera campaign

What is your plan for stopping motorsport? If speed is so bad then best get on the plan...

APR says...
11:06pm Sat 17 Jan 09

Like them or not, they are there now :(

Annyetta says...
3:14am Sun 18 Jan 09

Bosniavet wrote:
I wonder if the fact that the new 50mph limit starts at the Dick Turpin is an attempt at humour on the part of ECC? After all, he took money from road users in his day!

Requiescat - My understanding of speed cameras is that they take pictures of the vehicle from the rear, I am sure the ANPR will no doubt do the same.

I have pointed out that this scheme will not stop the foreign registered (look around Southend, there are countless vehicles which appear to visiting here for 6 months or less, despite the fact we all know they've been here for years), cloned, stolen or untaxed/uninsured vehicles which are responsible for a lot of the behaviour this measure is designed to stop. Put the traffic patrols back on the roads, it will improve safety no end, as long as the Police drivers drive safely!

I understand that it is a requirement for adequate notice to be in place for a change of limit, & that it is illegal to have contradicting signs. I wait with interest to read of the legal challenges mounted to any speeding fines.
So does the fact that there are contradictory signs mean that a speeding fine can be quashed?

thelonewhinger says...
12:16pm Sun 18 Jan 09

Maybe everyone has gone to sleep out of boredom now....

Another spanner in the works? - If a driver passes one camera having reached the dizzy heights of 55 mph, realises it and slows to 49 mph does the average become 52mph and we create an instant "criminal" as defined by Techno? If so as Dickens put it the law is a ****.

One more - Has a study been done of all prosecutions from the nation's speed cameras to determine by what percentage the vehicle exceeded the limit? My guess is that it is overwhelmingly less than 10%, which proves cash is the motive. The real criminal element are never caught because the database does not have the info for them.

Nebs says...
4:55pm Sun 18 Jan 09

If I drive half the distance, from one camera to the next, at 30mph, is it OK for me to speed up to 70mph for the other half?

Techno says...
7:15pm Sun 18 Jan 09

If you cant do the maths just stick to the limit and you'll be ok.

the.transporter says...
9:21pm Sun 18 Jan 09

hey Techno welcome back, I noticed you havent replied to my question about the 30mph on a motorway,

oh and the part on how you going to stop motorsport as thats all about speed...

Winston Smith says...
9:33pm Sun 18 Jan 09

the.transporter wrote:
hey Techno welcome back, I noticed you havent replied to my question about the 30mph on a motorway,

oh and the part on how you going to stop motorsport as thats all about speed...
He's going to steal all their cars like the worthless theiving scum he is, that'll stop 'em!

Techno says...
9:42pm Sun 18 Jan 09

Dont be a silly Billy or you'll end up sounding as daft as neurotic winston.

Motorsport has nothing to do with speed cameras and has as much relevance as a 30mph speed limit on motorways. Your argument and comparisons are heading in to the realms of obscure fantasy and pure mulch, like winstons brain.

Sticking to A127 the fact is the cameras are a very good idea and already we can see they are working very well if you travel that road. The more cars we have, the worse it gets and the more rules we need. You need to either live with it or do a winston. Either way it's your choice. Life only becomes a problem if you let it.

the.transporter says...
10:15pm Sun 18 Jan 09

Techno, no

Speed camera's are about stopping people speeding because speed kills. If speed kills then why is motorsport still allowed.

If speed is so bad then why not drop people back to 30mph

because it is a silly idea isnt it..?

LJK says...
11:37pm Sun 18 Jan 09

I don't know why you're all letting Techno wind you up? The last person I'd listen to is a "reformed" criminal (convicted of TWOC amongst other vehicle related crimes) telling me how I should be driving and what laws I should be following.

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12:48am Mon 19 Jan 09

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Techno says...
10:00am Mon 19 Jan 09

On facebook there is a JOKE! You dont need to sign up to it as we see enough jokes on here. The biggest joke of all is those tryiing to divert attention from speed cameras, and unable to form a logical, decent argument, usually due to intoxication, is claiming I am a car thief reformed or otherwise. I would advise you if you value your property and finances you would look up the law on libel. You wont avoid that like a parking fine.

You have been warned and you are tracable even though you have been using ficticious names.

If you must fight back against reason and logic of speed cameras, try to do it using at least some of the brain cells you were probably born with.

Techno says...
10:06am Mon 19 Jan 09

transporter I see your problem, though you are a little slow!

You cannot possibly compare qualified motorport driving, with the average village idiot driving we see on our roads can you?

Please dont turn in to winston as one is more than enough on any forum. Whilst mildly amusing in a *you been framed* kind of way. It can be embarrassing to watch.

thelonewhinger says...
11:00am Mon 19 Jan 09

Winston et al v. Techno etc - This has turned nasty and as regular posters I reckon you need to tone it down or we will attract another "big brother" clamp down on online forums.

Factual argument is fun and gets us thinking - personal abuse takes us away from the thread, which I think started off as the effectiveness or otherwise of the new speed cameras.

the.transporter says...
11:09am Mon 19 Jan 09

Techno, finally you make the connection I was hoping you would, motorsport are trained drivers, the driving levels in this country are very very poor

so whats better, catch one person doing 2 mph over the limit or train 1000's to drive properly?

Techno says...
11:10am Mon 19 Jan 09

Sadly that's what you get when bullies lose the plot. Cant win the argument on logical grounds so resort to any means possible. It's a shame but that's what democracy allows and does lower the value of debate as we know it.

I am all for any forms of law enforcement these days, especially where we dont appear to have any anyway! I think the punishment value is equally important as the safety, and in many ways is all that will work. People dont care if you suggest it's safer to slow down, but they do care if you hit them in the pocket. Sad but true.

However I would much prefer to have an average speed camera system going all along say the A13 from Southend to Sadlers Farm, most of which will be a 30mph zone, and for good reason. Presumably they could cover such a distance? Obviously catching speeders in a 30mph zone is far more beneficial than catching speeders in a 70mph zone. So why dont they do it?

Techno says...
11:39am Mon 19 Jan 09

PS: Let's not forget the value to the environment of ruducing the speed limit from 70 to 50. Which of course we should ALL consider.

an example would be

http://tinyurl.com/8
8q3ha

When Driving Your Car

Driving at high speed (over 50 mph and especially over 60mph) uses more fuel and causes more pollution. Your fuel consumption and pollution increase in comparison to an economic norm of 50mph.
Vs a Norm of 50 mph Fuel Consumption increases Emissions rise by Noise increases by
At 60 mph 17% 15% 26%
At 70 mph 29% 36% 46%


Techno says...
11:49am Mon 19 Jan 09

transporter you simply cannot compare motorsport to driving on the road. As road user we are taught to drive properly already, ON THE ROAD, and we also have more than enough education in the Highway Code. We dont need any more education. Sadly some people are just deliberately ignorant of the laws and standards required to establish a good society and regardless what you do they will always think *I know better* and ignore all rules and standards. The simple facts are reducing speeds from 70 to 50 are:

1: Safer for all of us in the even of an accident

2: Much less chance of an accident

3: Affords us a slower and more relaxed driving experience especially in these days of congestion on our roads. Everywhere is like rush hour these days.

4: Significant savings on the planet and it's resources, not to mention the saving in our pockets of more MPG.


There is no question we need to slow down. I do however agree that education of the densest minority that goinf flat out everywhere actually saves very little time, and whats the point in rushing home to do nothing. Most of us are actually in no rush to get anywhere, though we often do!

I'd like to think many would grow out of the need for speed all day everyday, but it would seem some dont. It's because of those idiots we need Big Brother to look after us.

the.transporter says...
1:31pm Mon 19 Jan 09

ok so I agree, there is more than enough reasons to do something drastic because people do tent to ignore what they are taught, they leave the test center and instantly forget what they are taught, I am all for the law and the people that break should get punished, but

camera's down one road move people to a different road IE the A13, or as a resident of Rayleigh the road near where I live is often used when the A127 is blocked, this is also the road where my daughter was knocked down by a drink driver and injured, estimate speed the same as the limit on the road, where are your camera's stopping that?

Having just gone thru a HGV training course then I can say no we dont have enough training for people in this country.

Train people better, less accidents all over the place not just where the camera's are placed

Ivanna Goodhump says...
2:32pm Mon 19 Jan 09

the.transporter wrote:
ok so I agree, there is more than enough reasons to do something drastic because people do tent to ignore what they are taught, they leave the test center and instantly forget what they are taught, I am all for the law and the people that break should get punished, but camera's down one road move people to a different road IE the A13, or as a resident of Rayleigh the road near where I live is often used when the A127 is blocked, this is also the road where my daughter was knocked down by a drink driver and injured, estimate speed the same as the limit on the road, where are your camera's stopping that? Having just gone thru a HGV training course then I can say no we dont have enough training for people in this country. Train people better, less accidents all over the place not just where the camera's are placed
Who did you do your HGV training with ?

Did you pass first time and have you been able to secure any work as a newly qualified driver ?

the.transporter says...
2:40pm Mon 19 Jan 09

no sad to say I failed the test, by one mark!

the company was pathwaylgv and would not recommend them in anyway,

Last Poster says...
2:46pm Mon 19 Jan 09

What an utter load of morons the "British Drivers" have become! Do you know that most so called "Joy riders" believe they do no harm as all cars are insured anyway? If we let all criminals make the laws that they themselves break there would be laws. Live within the law and the people you claim make money will make nothing. If you do not like any law write to your MP!

Techno says...
3:11pm Mon 19 Jan 09

I disagree. I'm sure many of us who drive on a road with speed cameras will just make double sure we are driving within the limits. What kind of lunatic would go out of their way to to bypass roads with cameras just because they have cameras? That's almost as silly as taking a 20 mile cross country detour to avoid a 20 minute delay on a motorway!!

I'm sure some weirdo's do but can there really be that many out there?

Techno says...
3:40pm Mon 19 Jan 09

Why would you want a job driving on todays roads? I sympathise with the professional drivers these days. It must be hell out there for them.

I think we need to start getting rid of the cars for all culture and get some sort of decent state run public transport service. We simply cannot keep spewing cars on to our roads or soon enough there will be no room for anything else, and we'll be paying to use the M25 as a car park.

Techno says...
4:01pm Mon 19 Jan 09

You are joking when you say write to our MPs arent you? It's those idiots that have caused this decline in standards in the first place. You'd be lucky to get a reply from your MP, let alone expect them to do anyhting apart from offer lip service. Yes they'll stand there for the press launch, picture parade but they will never risk their highly paid puppet salaries by doing what we actually voted them in for. They're not alone Councillors are at it, Judiciary is at it, even the police are at it. Do nothing about anything and hang on to your job as long as you can.

In fact the ONLY people doing anything about our roads these days are the camera people! Hows that for irony :)

bubwaah says...
12:15pm Thu 22 Jan 09

Anything to improve road safety by means of reducing speed I welcome. My Dad was run over and killed crossing the road so I know full well how much pain can be caused by idiotic, arrogant drivers. I couldn't a monkeys about all these moaning drivers whose journey time has now been increased due to these speed cameras. There are speed limits. They are there for a reason. The reason the journey times are increasing are because there are too many people using the road!!!! It's really quite simple.

miguel huntos says...
2:31pm Thu 22 Jan 09

As an advanced motorcyclist who rides the 127 twice a day in all weathers (within reason). I'd just like to say that even though we can get away with speeding on this stretch, as we equate to less than 1% of the traffic, it is not financially viable to target us. I am also strongly against the use of camera's as a safety device. I never break the speed limit. I ride a very powerful sports bike and only break the limit on the race track where there isn't one. I never filter between cars unless they are travelling below 30mph and it is safe and legal to do so. I know that I am not the only motorcyclist that rides like this and the few bad ones don't last that long.
Please don't tar us all with the same brush.
Since the start of these cameras I've witnessed drivers being over cautious and driving at 40mph. Drivers bored with the new limit and texting, putting on make up, masturbating(serious
ly), and genuinely not paying attention to the road. In my opinion it has been more dangerous since the new limit has been in place.
Finally, the speed limit is exactly that, a limit. If the conditions or the road doesn't permit 70mph then the driver should judge it. Try keeping at the NSL of 60 mph down a country lane and you'll soon end up in a field. 50 mph on that stretch is draconian.

PJR says...
4:43pm Thu 22 Jan 09

I read this and i laugh. First of all Car Enthusiasts (as the Echo terms us, Boy Racers) haven't actually used the A127 for racing for years.

I own a modified car. I also own a motorhome. I don't drive either over limits, i don't race, i take pride in my vehicles. I will comply with a speed limit whatever it is. It's funny that research has found older drivers are those who cause accidents. And on this stretch of road, i think all age groups are to blame, not just us car enthusiasts.

Now, I don't mind the cameras. True, i'd rather see more traffic police on the road (which ironically would probably lead to more car enthusiasts like myself being stopped for checks, but that's fine, nothing to hide).

My problem is the 50mph limit. I like to get to places quickly, within reason. If the limit is 70, i'll do 70. I think that's reasonable. So it does become frustrating when you get stuck behind someone doing 50mph. I want to drive quickly and legally. Now if they want to drive slowly in the slow lane that's fine.

But confusion seems to reign. I don't see why the 50mph limit is in place. Personally, i would introduce the cameras, give them 6 months, and then if needed reduce the limit. Instead, the A127 becomes slower, and instead of stopping congestion, it just means a slower ride into the inevitable queue of traffic.

So to summerise. I don't mind the cameras, as i drive my modified car always within the legal limit of a road and have nothing to fear (it has an MOT, is insured with all modifications declared and is taxed). My objection is the 50mph limit. And for those who want to drive at the correct limit, to say we don't have to - you're perfectly right. But we WANT to.

seaward says...
1:54pm Tue 27 Jan 09

come on now, we all should know that cllr Norman Hume knows best, and that enough money has already been spent on the scheme without spending more on signs to tell us what speed limit he has decided we should keep to. happy motoring


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