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6:00pm Friday 16th January 2009 in
DRIVERS who are caught by the average speed cameras on the A127 will be prosecuted from the outset, Essex County Council confirmed yesterday.
The new cameras, between the Southend borough boundary and Nevendon, were switched on yesterday.
County council bosses initially said there would be a period of grace for drivers who were caught.
But at a press conference, transport boss Norman Hume said this would not be the case.
Between the Dick Turpin and the Southend boundary, the speed limit will be 50mph. From the pub to the Nevendon turn-off, the limit will be 70mph, but still monitored by the average speed cameras.
Mr Hume, county councillor responsible for highways and transportation, said: “We’re not out to get anyone, but there will be no grace period and the official start date was midnight last night.”
It was also revealed not all the cameras had been switched on.
Mr Hume added: “Not all are operational, but they will be over the next few days. As far as the public are concerned, it would be wrong to suggest they will get away with speeding. Police are going to be active in the meantime.”
In the past three years, four people have died and more than 250 injured on the 6.8-mile stretch between Nevendon and Southend.
The council is hoping the new measures, which cost £1.2million, will mean fewer accidents. It says the scheme will also reduce journey times by easing congestion, helping motorists save fuel.
Geoff Collins, from Speed Check Services, the company which installed the cameras, said evidence showed they could reduce accidents by 85 per cent a year.
He said they were better than Gatso cameras, which measure a motorist’s speed at the moment they pass the camera, because they encourage drivers to travel at a constant speed.
Adam Pipe, a spokesman for Essex Police, welcomed the cameras, but warned police would still be active.
He said: “We’re not going to pull away from policing the A127, but now we can concentrate on other offences like driving while using mobile phones or drink-driving.”
Cameras make little difference say motorists
MOTORISTS claim the new average speed cameras have made little difference to A127 congestion along the A127.
A 50mph limit was introduced yesterday on a 3.8-mile stretch of the road between the Dick Turpin pub, near Wickford, and the Southend boundary.
The limit increases to 70mph from the Dick Turpin to the Nevendon turn-off.
Colin Roberts, 47, from Lower Road, Hullbridge, joined the A127 from the A130 on his usual route to Ford at Dunton.
He knew the speed limits were being introduced, but found unsuspecting motorists may have been caught as no signs had been put up on the sliproad.
Mr Roberts said: “In the rush hour you can’t hit 50 mph anyway. I did notice some drivers switching lanes to try to beat the system.
“The main difference will come at off-peak times when the road is empty. It will be very difficult to keep to the 50mph limit.”
The limits and cameras have been brought in by Essex County Council, but Mr Roberts criticised it for not making other efforts to change the road. He said: “It’s annoying the council doesn’t listen to the public as I’m sure 95 per cent of drivers disagree with the new 50mph limit.
“Instead, they should look at making the road safer if they genuinely want to reduce accidents.”
Taxi driver Ralph Morgan said the new limits would stop boy racers treating the A127 as a race track late at night.
He said: “I think it’s a good idea. When you talk about the rush hour I don’t think it will make any difference, but I think the number of accidents will be cut. There have been some nasty ones involving boy racers, and hopefully they will stop.
“When you are driving into Southend you almost always get caught in solid traffic by Progress Road anyway.”
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4King_Ace
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streetboy75
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DaveyB0Y
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RubyK
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Requiescat
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mad dad
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mad dad
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Ivanna Goodhump
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RubyK wrote:There is going to be uproar over these camera's and lower speed limits.
This is so annoying. Usually i can do my stretch of the a127 from progress road to the canvey turn off in about 10 minutes at a constant 70mph. I usually use the road after 8pm up to about 3am and the road is dead, in these years i have never seen a accident at this time, only before 7pm usually around rushhour where i think people weave in and out of traffic. Ridiculous. They should change it to national after 8pm or something, anything, 50mph gets you nowhere fast.
english_cj
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streetboy75
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G WHITE
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TP
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D Smith
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robertsons
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Clodpole
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Bosniavet
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Dave G
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thelonewhinger
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Techno
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JayF
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10:26am Fri 16 Jan 09
thelonewhinger wrote:Well I may be the first to get issued with a ticket. I was travelling from Basildon to the Rayleigh Weir at 10am on Thursday doing 70mph ooooops!
"Obey the law" says Dave G, trouble is from reading the comments on here it is not clear even to locals what, when, and where the multitude of speed limits on the A127 start and finish. No 50 mph signs yet on slip roads joining only small (many hidden behind trees) repeater signs along some stretches. As for catching the dastardly criminals Techno, hope you don't get a brown envelope cos somebody used your reg.number and have to try and prove you were sat at the Echo webpage at the time!
thelonewhinger
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10:29am Fri 16 Jan 09
Techno wrote:So Techno will be happy to receive a fixed financial penalty for sitting at his computer... Now that's what I call true dedication to a cause!
I'll happily live with any mistakes made while the law is being enforced. As for being confused, dazed and downright deranged about what the speed limits are. Hers a clue, just do 50mph and it wont matter what the signs say. 70mph DOES NOT mean you have to do 70mph you plonkers.
Winston Smith
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nigeltheduck
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NOTORIOUS
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bumper
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Tony Starr
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Bosniavet
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mattsufc5
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Pro Police
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Mad 'M'
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english_cj
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1:57pm Fri 16 Jan 09
Pro Police wrote:Regardless of the amount of prior warning of the limit change, there still should not be national speed limit signs on the road when it is now a '50'.
i feel i need to add there has been plenty of adverts press in relation to the change of limit.
the 50mph sign should give people a clue of the limit.
i also want to add i feel 50mph is a stupid speed for this road would of been better enforcing the 70mph limit.
thelonewhinger
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2:04pm Fri 16 Jan 09
bumper wrote:In your own unique style you have actually made an excellent point here bumper - still only applies to correctly registered owners though.
got to make money . i would like to think how meany of these cameras would be out there if you only got point and no fines ? ye you know none ? there just a money making scam .
Dave G
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3:16pm Fri 16 Jan 09
thelonewhinger wrote:Ah, but if we got more traffic police, no doubt we'd be swamped with people telling us that the police should be catching 'proper criminals' rather than harassing poor motorists.
bumper wrote:In your own unique style you have actually made an excellent point here bumper - still only applies to correctly registered owners though.
got to make money . i would like to think how meany of these cameras would be out there if you only got point and no fines ? ye you know none ? there just a money making scam .
Bosniavet is spot on, and if you look at most of these posts you will see we all agree on one thing -that inappropriate speeding must be stopped. We differ only on HOW. There is simply no substitute for real traffic police, backed if necessary by portable devices (not private camera vans behind hedges).........
mysay,canvey
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mysay,canvey
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MAM001grays
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mysay,canvey
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SoapBox2
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rik
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The Defender
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6:06pm Fri 16 Jan 09
Techno wrote:I would say if you are not comfortable driving at the national speed limit then use the roads that run parallel that are 30 or 40 mph. That way us that can drive at that speed can do so without having to coninually overtaking people who refuse to drive over 40mph. I have passed one little old lady many times on the A127 over the past few years, she always did 50 in the 70 zone. I passed her yesterday and was she doing 50mph? No, i sailed past her, its not illegal to drive at the limit and its dangerous to drive to far under it!!
I'll happily live with any mistakes made while the law is being enforced. As for being confused, dazed and downright deranged about what the speed limits are. Hers a clue, just do 50mph and it wont matter what the signs say. 70mph DOES NOT mean you have to do 70mph you plonkers.
Techno
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BEER CAN
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MAM001grays wrote:How exactly is it going to stop a mindless moron on a motorcycle ????
I have to say this,but i have never read so much rubbish in my life the main reason for these camera's are to prevent the mindless morons in their sporty cars and motorbikes using this stretch of road to race like idiots,and the net results are the ordinary motorist who happily keeps up with the flow of traffic @70-75mph have to suffer.So next time you are caught up in a jam on this part of the 127 you know who to thank.
MAM001grays
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6:45pm Fri 16 Jan 09
mysay,canvey wrote:I drive a fast 'ish' car and an extremely fast motorcycle so i don' tar everyone with the same brush as you put it,just the mindless morons that have cocked it up for everyone else,hope that enlightens you.
EXCUSE ME, I drive a sports car, but I am neither a MORON or a bad driver, so don't class everyone with the same brush, I have been driving for over 20 years and I have no problem sticking to any limit!!!!
Witchfinder General
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Techno
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thelonewhinger
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MAM001grays
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BEER CAN wrote:well according to the latest dvla data the camera facing you isn,t actually the camera that records your number plate all the cameras reccord all the lanes at the same time(a little trick they picked up from the kent camera partnerships) as the moronic elements of the motorcycling fraternity will find out to their cost.
MAM001grays wrote: I have to say this,but i have never read so much rubbish in my life the main reason for these camera's are to prevent the mindless morons in their sporty cars and motorbikes using this stretch of road to race like idiots,and the net results are the ordinary motorist who happily keeps up with the flow of traffic @70-75mph have to suffer.So next time you are caught up in a jam on this part of the 127 you know who to thank.How exactly is it going to stop a mindless moron on a motorcycle ????
the.transporter
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Ivanna Goodhump
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paullb wrote:This would be the same Councillor Hume who lives in South Woodham Ferrers, commutes to work in Chelmsford so rarely has to use the A127 at all and cannot be democratically removed by the residents of Southend who's lives he is making a misery.
I would like to issue "smiling" councillor Hume with a challenge that if his brilliant idea to introduce yet more revenue gathering cameras do not produce a quantifiable reduction in accidents on the A127 within the areas covered over the next six months that he will resign and admit once and for all that this is not the way forward for road safety in our borough.All reasonable motorists know what an abismal road the A127 is to travel upon due to the lack of investment provided since the road was first opened in the 1950s. We as the users of this highway have a right to expect that our councillors should have sought out funding to bring this road up to the safety standards that we have all paid for time and time again,when on earth are us ordinary motorists going to get the roads we deserve and have paid for.
Ivanna Goodhump
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5:57pm Sat 17 Jan 09
Ivanna Goodhump wrote:Slight correction - Mr Hume lives in Danbury and represents Maldon.
paullb wrote: I would like to issue "smiling" councillor Hume with a challenge that if his brilliant idea to introduce yet more revenue gathering cameras do not produce a quantifiable reduction in accidents on the A127 within the areas covered over the next six months that he will resign and admit once and for all that this is not the way forward for road safety in our borough.All reasonable motorists know what an abismal road the A127 is to travel upon due to the lack of investment provided since the road was first opened in the 1950s. We as the users of this highway have a right to expect that our councillors should have sought out funding to bring this road up to the safety standards that we have all paid for time and time again,when on earth are us ordinary motorists going to get the roads we deserve and have paid for.This would be the same Councillor Hume who lives in South Woodham Ferrers, commutes to work in Chelmsford so rarely has to use the A127 at all and cannot be democratically removed by the residents of Southend who's lives he is making a misery. I rang ECC the day after the switch on to complain about four things : 1. The blanket 50 mph limit at all times. 2. Lack of signage on slip roads. 3. Lack of lit signs at night. 4. Lack of warning of speed limit change. The response was a just a load of unbelievable drivel from a chap who obviously had never worked in the real world. One could only conclude from his response that ECC have deliberately set out to entrap drivers in the early stages of this scheme. I did ascertain that if people want to complain about these cameras they need to contact : Rosemary Welch, Network & Safety Manager, County Hall, Chelmsford. So come on lets bombard her, Mr (Smirky) Hume and the Chairman of Keymed (who part funded this scheme)with legitimate objections.
essexlad08
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Techno
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the.transporter
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Winston Smith
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Winston Smith
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Ivanna Goodhump
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the.transporter wrote:Poor Techno,
Hey Techno do these forums bore you? whilst I agree dont speed dont get fined approach, but then the other side if the rules are realistic then no one would need complain, 50MPH when no one else is around is not realistic But that is the sledgehammer to crack a walnut approach that is the driving force behind the camera's have a good weekend all.
Ivanna Goodhump
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7:27pm Sat 17 Jan 09
Winston Smith wrote:Correct me if I am wrong Winston but I didn't think residents of Southend could vote in the ECC elections.
I should add that although Councillor Hume does not think it right for the government to screw the motorist, it is perfectly ok for Councillor Hume to screw the motorist. I suggest all drivers who disagree with these draconian measures remember Councillor Hume's name next time the Council elections come up.
Techno
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Thames Gateway
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the.transporter
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9:09pm Sat 17 Jan 09
Techno wrote:Right and how do you work that one out? If you think 50 is realistic then why not 40 or 30? Would stop more accidents then wouldnt it? Techno, it is starting to sound like you have never passed your test or you are employed by the government to justify idiots, I am not against the push against unsafe drivers in any way shape or form, 1 but camera's are against one thing!
The rules are perfectly realistic. The only problem is the village idiots who dont like rules, usually the same ones causing the need for the rules in the first place.
It's like dumb and dumber and dumber.
Techno
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the.transporter
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Techno
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Bosniavet wrote:So does the fact that there are contradictory signs mean that a speeding fine can be quashed?
I wonder if the fact that the new 50mph limit starts at the Dick Turpin is an attempt at humour on the part of ECC? After all, he took money from road users in his day!
Requiescat - My understanding of speed cameras is that they take pictures of the vehicle from the rear, I am sure the ANPR will no doubt do the same.
I have pointed out that this scheme will not stop the foreign registered (look around Southend, there are countless vehicles which appear to visiting here for 6 months or less, despite the fact we all know they've been here for years), cloned, stolen or untaxed/uninsured vehicles which are responsible for a lot of the behaviour this measure is designed to stop. Put the traffic patrols back on the roads, it will improve safety no end, as long as the Police drivers drive safely!
I understand that it is a requirement for adequate notice to be in place for a change of limit, & that it is illegal to have contradicting signs. I wait with interest to read of the legal challenges mounted to any speeding fines.
thelonewhinger
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Nebs
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Techno
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Winston Smith
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the.transporter wrote:He's going to steal all their cars like the worthless theiving scum he is, that'll stop 'em!
hey Techno welcome back, I noticed you havent replied to my question about the 30mph on a motorway,
oh and the part on how you going to stop motorsport as thats all about speed...
Techno
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the.transporter
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LJK
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NOTORIOUS
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Techno
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Techno
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thelonewhinger
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Techno
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Ivanna Goodhump
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the.transporter wrote:Who did you do your HGV training with ?
ok so I agree, there is more than enough reasons to do something drastic because people do tent to ignore what they are taught, they leave the test center and instantly forget what they are taught, I am all for the law and the people that break should get punished, but camera's down one road move people to a different road IE the A13, or as a resident of Rayleigh the road near where I live is often used when the A127 is blocked, this is also the road where my daughter was knocked down by a drink driver and injured, estimate speed the same as the limit on the road, where are your camera's stopping that? Having just gone thru a HGV training course then I can say no we dont have enough training for people in this country. Train people better, less accidents all over the place not just where the camera's are placed
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