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Roman's £75m gift drops anchor
5:10pm Wednesday 9th September 2009 in
A LUXURY yacht worth £75million has been causing a stir after being spotted moored off Leigh.
Le Grand Bleu was formerly owned by Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich, who owns Chelsea Football Club, but gave it to old friend and business colleague Eugene Shvidler in 2006.
Previously moored off the Isle of Wight on the south coast over the weekend, the 355ft-long craft arrived at its mooring at around 10.10pm on Monday complete with its own on-board helicopter.
Phil Worman, 31, of the Broadway, Leigh, was amazed to the see the boat yesterday morning.
He said: “I got a phone call from a friend at 8.30am to say go down and have a look.
“I saw it moored out in the estuary. It’s unbelievable. It had a helicopter on the back, which took off at about noon.
“It’s not the kind of thing you see every day. You certainly don’t get many of those out there.”
Le Grand Bleu, which means the Big Blue, is one of the largest private yachts in the world and boasts a diving centre, helipad and aquarium.
It has both a 74-foot sailboat and a 67-foot speedboat on the rear deck. The enormous yacht requires a crew of more than 50 people.
Electrical contractor Steve Roberts, 41, was working on a house in Cliff Parade, Leigh, when he spotted the craft.
He said: “We had been wondering whose boat it was. You don’t often see them anchored there, and we saw a small boat pull alongside this morning.
“We suspect it was dropping a pilot on board who would have been forced to wait in all that luxury until it finally gets to move upstream.
“What we wouldn’t give to spend a morning on that yacht. It beats rewiring a house, well for a morning, anyway.”
It is thought Le Grand Bleu is headed for a mooring in London, and could end up longside HMS Belfast at Southwark, or the prestigious East India Docks.
Martin Garside, from the Port of London Authority, said yesterday: “This vessel arrived at 6pm on Monday at the Leigh small ships anchorage. She is a privately-owned yacht registered in Bermuda.
“The Port of London Authority monitors all vessels in the estuary from its port control centre at Gravesend.
“A vessel of this size requires a PLA pilot to assist the captain to bring her safely into the estuary and to an anchorage.
“In this case, a PLA pilot boarded the vessel at North East Spit near Margate.”
Comments(136)
LewisP
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9:22pm Wed 9 Sep 09
bumper
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10:23pm Wed 9 Sep 09
LewisP wrote:
So-called "super-yachts" are being built every week. There is something basically wrong with a world where these monstrosities are proliferating whilst people elsewhere are starving to death and even our own pensioners have to choose between eating and heating.
my thinking too i bet the owner is one sad person too.
The King of Southend
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8:11am Thu 10 Sep 09
I hate being out blinged on my own manor and I am sure many residents feel the same.
Soozie
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8:14am Thu 10 Sep 09
LewisP wrote:You have a problem with people who earn a lot of money and spend it as they see fit?
So-called "super-yachts" are being built every week. There is something basically wrong with a world where these monstrosities are proliferating whilst people elsewhere are starving to death and even our own pensioners have to choose between eating and heating.
Good for them whoever owns the yacht - well impressive.
LewisP
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8:38am Thu 10 Sep 09
Soozie wrote:Says more about you sweetie. Are you one of those people who has a massive 4WD just to go to the supermarket?
LewisP wrote: So-called "super-yachts" are being built every week. There is something basically wrong with a world where these monstrosities are proliferating whilst people elsewhere are starving to death and even our own pensioners have to choose between eating and heating.You have a problem with people who earn a lot of money and spend it as they see fit? Good for them whoever owns the yacht - well impressive.
Soozie
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11:06am Thu 10 Sep 09
No I'm not one of those people who have a massive 4WD or SUV, for the supermarket or otherwise - however what business would it be of yours if I did?
Aint it just the truth
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11:37am Thu 10 Sep 09
anon anon
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11:40am Thu 10 Sep 09
Soozie wrote:good for you soozie, i agree . people work hard get the rewards, good luck to them, there are too many bitter people out there..........
You seem to think it foul people who have money and buy things, perhaps it is jealousy on your part eh? No I'm not one of those people who have a massive 4WD or SUV, for the supermarket or otherwise - however what business would it be of yours if I did?
Aint it just the truth
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11:53am Thu 10 Sep 09
Soozie
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11:58am Thu 10 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth wrote:Well the yacht builders are doing well, which in turn hires more people, the crews needed to run these yachts, are giving people employment.
Motorboats are tediously boring things and those of us who "go down to the sea" know there is only one reason why people buy big motorboats - to show off how much money they have. Even the sailboat on the back of this is much too big, anything over 30 foot and you need a crew of trained gorillas to crew it. It's much more fun in a sailing dinghy or a small yacht. Once upon a time only media magnates and royalty owned these super yachts, now every tom dick and city banker wants one. Have a look in any big newsagent, there are magazines full of these super yachts, far more than there have ever been before. I have nothing against people being successful but the rate at which these boats are being built is just more evidence that the gap between rich and poor is getting larger, and that can never be a good thing. It is plain obscene that so many people can own things like this when others are starving, even in civilised countries
So flipping what if someone wants to spend 75 million on a yacht to show off how much money they have/successful they are....last I heard the one can still spend their hard earned money as they see fit.
Good for them.
No easy road to success, one has to work hard and harder these days to be rewarded.
Jealous me? nah, but I sure wouldn't mind a cruise on that yacht for an afternoon.
Aint it just the truth
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12:00pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Soozie
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12:09pm Thu 10 Sep 09
if a person works hard, makes good money, why not spend it as they see fit.
Ain't it, you are actually bragging now of what you have - shame on you! :)
anon anon
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12:13pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth wrote:there is a difference between being jealous and bitter, if you work hard and get the rewards or are just fortunate to be born into money , enjoy it, like soozie said 'we are only here for a short time'
B*gger all to do with jealousy. Only those who actually are jealous would think like that.
bumper
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12:18pm Thu 10 Sep 09
my dad worked hard all his life 7 till 5
but could not afford one.
makes you think .
people like this are the ones that work hard. and t-w-a-t-s like them have the nice things one the back of the hard worker.
i bet he ant done a hard days craft in his life.
bumper
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12:20pm Thu 10 Sep 09
bumper wrote:graft ops
my dad worked hard all his life 7 till 5
but could not afford one.
makes you think .
people like this are the ones that work hard. and t-w-a-t-s like them have the nice things one the back of the hard worker.
i bet he ant done a hard days craft in his life.
Soozie
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12:22pm Thu 10 Sep 09
bumper wrote:bumper when are you going to learn to write properly huh?
my dad worked hard all his life 7 till 5 but could not afford one. makes you think . people like this are the ones that work hard. and t-w-a-t-s like them have the nice things one the back of the hard worker. i bet he ant done a hard days craft in his life.
C'mon now, get with the program and pick up those socks of yours.
echoreader1
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1:02pm Thu 10 Sep 09
I like it, seen it before elsewhere and it is floating palace. Shows you what hard work and a bit of oil wheeler dealing in Russia can reward you :-)
Partyboy2
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1:07pm Thu 10 Sep 09
I'm gonna paddle out to it on my lilo and expose it for the fake it is! :-)
anon anon
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1:07pm Thu 10 Sep 09
echoreader1 wrote:what? you mean you dont ? hahah yeh would be nice, can all dream !!!
why can't I have friends like Roman? ha ha "here's a boat my dear friend, have fun!" I like it, seen it before elsewhere and it is floating palace. Shows you what hard work and a bit of oil wheeler dealing in Russia can reward you :-)
Soozie
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1:09pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Partyboy2 wrote:Hahahah do you think?
I reckon it's a cardboard cut out, put there by Southend Council to try and attract other Billionaires to the area... I'm gonna paddle out to it on my lilo and expose it for the fake it is! :-)
Maybe this will be the councils new advertsiing ploy to get investment dosh for the pier.
Partyboy2
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1:19pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Soozie wrote:I can just picture Roman Abromovich trying his luck on one of the 'grab a toy' machines along the front, a quick pint in the Papillon and then back to the super yacht for jellied eels and a champagne reception... It doesn't get better than that!
Partyboy2 wrote: I reckon it's a cardboard cut out, put there by Southend Council to try and attract other Billionaires to the area... I'm gonna paddle out to it on my lilo and expose it for the fake it is! :-)Hahahah do you think? Maybe this will be the councils new advertsiing ploy to get investment dosh for the pier.
One Star
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2:57pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Soozie wrote:Well done Soozie.
bumper wrote: my dad worked hard all his life 7 till 5 but could not afford one. makes you think . people like this are the ones that work hard. and t-w-a-t-s like them have the nice things one the back of the hard worker. i bet he ant done a hard days craft in his life.bumper when are you going to learn to write properly huh? C'mon now, get with the program and pick up those socks of yours.
I'm glad someone else has picked up on Bumpers lack of education
Partyboy2
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3:14pm Thu 10 Sep 09
One Star wrote:Come on guys, cut him some slack.... Let the man express his views without the fear of ridicule.
Soozie wrote:Well done Soozie. I'm glad someone else has picked up on Bumpers lack of educationbumper wrote: my dad worked hard all his life 7 till 5 but could not afford one. makes you think . people like this are the ones that work hard. and t-w-a-t-s like them have the nice things one the back of the hard worker. i bet he ant done a hard days craft in his life.bumper when are you going to learn to write properly huh? C'mon now, get with the program and pick up those socks of yours.
Aint it just the truth
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4:13pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Soozie
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6:47pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth wrote:What is it that bugs you about people who are rich and successful?
Typical greedy live now and *!?* the future north american continent type attitude from Soozie. How old are you Soozie, 15?
Is is peni$ envy?
If someone can afford to run a yacht, why shouldn't they?
Why shouldn't people enjoy the fruits of their labour, or lack of it if they were born into money?
I assume then with your attitude that if you came into a few million you would ggive it away? Hah, I doubt that very much.
As for my age, again what business is it of yours? If I want to buy a SUV por a big fark off 4 by 4 that is my business no?
I don't mooch off the state, I pay my bills, I work hard, screw it. Not my fault that people are living in poverty, although, I hasten to feel for them.
Have a go at someone who tends to make money for not doing any work you oblivious, self serving, plonker.
It isn't a crime last I hear to be successful and own things.
Soozie
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6:51pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Partyboy2 wrote:How is that lilo? LOL....you see his bikini clad sweeties by chance?
One Star wrote:Come on guys, cut him some slack.... Let the man express his views without the fear of ridicule.Soozie wrote:Well done Soozie. I'm glad someone else has picked up on Bumpers lack of educationbumper wrote: my dad worked hard all his life 7 till 5 but could not afford one. makes you think . people like this are the ones that work hard. and t-w-a-t-s like them have the nice things one the back of the hard worker. i bet he ant done a hard days craft in his life.bumper when are you going to learn to write properly huh? C'mon now, get with the program and pick up those socks of yours.
I actually looked for the yacht on my way home tonight - it was not there - ****!
Aint it just the truth
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8:59pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Soozie wrote:Boy you have a real spoilt brat attitude don't you? Do you really think Roman got his billions by honest hard work in post glasnost Russia then? If you do then you are an extremely biased and naive little girl. And as for your claim that it's not your fault if you can afford to spend loads of money on SUVs, yachts etc while other people are living in poverty. Then whose fault is it brat? If these super yachts are proliferating whilst people starve it means the distribution of wealth is not working fairly and if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. Mind you the point about 4WDs is more complex than that, they are squandering the earths resources and pumping disproportionate amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. As one of the politicians once said "I see no justification for using a 3 ton vehicle just to do the shopping". Still, these arguments are obviously going straight over your head aren't they? Maybe you'll understand better when you have children and grandchildren to consider and you have realised the damage that these things are doing to the earth. Until then butt out.
Aint it just the truth wrote: Typical greedy live now and *!?* the future north american continent type attitude from Soozie. How old are you Soozie, 15?What is it that bugs you about people who are rich and successful? Is is peni$ envy? If someone can afford to run a yacht, why shouldn't they? Why shouldn't people enjoy the fruits of their labour, or lack of it if they were born into money? I assume then with your attitude that if you came into a few million you would ggive it away? Hah, I doubt that very much. As for my age, again what business is it of yours? If I want to buy a SUV por a big fark off 4 by 4 that is my business no? I don't mooch off the state, I pay my bills, I work hard, screw it. Not my fault that people are living in poverty, although, I hasten to feel for them. Have a go at someone who tends to make money for not doing any work you oblivious, self serving, plonker. It isn't a crime last I hear to be successful and own things.
Biffo-bear
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10:08pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Miss D Meaner
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10:37pm Thu 10 Sep 09
Biffo-bear wrote:I believe she is employed in that hugely discredited and over-rated line of employment, yes. The comment regarding "honest hard work in post glasnost Russia" are well made. Many of these extremely wealthy Russians, have become wealthy by very dubious means - not to mention, the rather suspect people they associated with in Russia!
Soozie you're not a banker are you?
perini
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1:12am Fri 11 Sep 09
I think you'll find - should you decide to do your research thoroughly, that a lot of these 'fuel guzzling 4x4's' are in fact a lot more economical than your average family saloon. So that bolloxes your arguement. I see that you have bought into this government lead drivel about 'global warning.' There isn't a shred of evidence to prove it's not just the earth warming up - exactly like it did eons ago.
Biffo-bear
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2:22am Fri 11 Sep 09
no-one said some family cars aren't gas guzzlers too although it's mostly the biggies. And most of the 4WDs we see on the road aren't so frugal, they do burn lots of petrol. But there's a lot more to it than that, 4WDs are big heavy things, it takes a lot more material to build your average 4WD than a small family car, more resources, pollution etc. To put it bluntly they're plain wasteful in a world where such things count. So what's wrong with smaller family cars, won't be long and we'll all be driving electric cars anyway. But you obviously like big cars. Whats that they say about the size of your car and the size of your...err
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As for your global warming assertions, yes the world has been a lot hotter in the past but mostly before man even evolved and never by more than one and a half degrees by the time we were here. But thats not the point. The trouble is the speed at which the world is changing.
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The polar ice caps are melting at a terrific rate, nearly all the worlds glaciers are retreating equally fast, carbon dioxide and methane are building up in the upper atmosphere at a frightening speed, the latter because the tundra is also melting fast and because man demands more beef. Yes really. And there is no doubt whatsoever that the extra carbon dioxide is also there because of mans activities.
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The atmosphere is the thickness of tissue paper wrapped around a football and we've been chopping the trees down and pumping the atmosphere full of greenhouse gasses and pollution for centuries. And you think that will not have done any damage? You think global warming is a governement conspiracy? You must be mad.
Soozie
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7:04am Fri 11 Sep 09
Call me what you want, makes no difference to me. When you start calling people names Ain't it, you've lost the argument.
Why should wealth be distributed fairly by those who work hard and earn it, to those who do nothing all day?
It is the governments fault who hand out beneifts left and right. It encourages poverty. People have no ambition to work and earn anymore. Just look around you at all the lazy gits sitting int he pubs and wandering the high streets.
The paper yesterday said parts of England live in Dickinson times because kids are not properly toilet trained nor can they dress themselves. I would say that is poor parenting..
Miss D Meaner thank you for answering the question whether I work in banking - yes I do. However, I am not one of those bank workers that brought the economy to its knees.
Granted, I am a highly paid contractor , but I also pay a lot of taxes and at the end of the day, I'm going to enjoy the money I earn, whether Ain't it likes it or not.
If I could afford a yacht, well hell yes, I would probably buy one.
And if you think I'm spoilt, then fair deal, you are entitled to your opinion, just like I am mine.
anon anon
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8:35am Fri 11 Sep 09
One Star
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8:48am Fri 11 Sep 09
Soozie wrote:Its Dickensian, not Dickinson
Then whose fault is it brat? If these super yachts are proliferating whilst people starve it means the distribution of wealth is not working fairly and if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. Call me what you want, makes no difference to me. When you start calling people names Ain't it, you've lost the argument. Why should wealth be distributed fairly by those who work hard and earn it, to those who do nothing all day? It is the governments fault who hand out beneifts left and right. It encourages poverty. People have no ambition to work and earn anymore. Just look around you at all the lazy gits sitting int he pubs and wandering the high streets. The paper yesterday said parts of England live in Dickinson times because kids are not properly toilet trained nor can they dress themselves. I would say that is poor parenting.. Miss D Meaner thank you for answering the question whether I work in banking - yes I do. However, I am not one of those bank workers that brought the economy to its knees. Granted, I am a highly paid contractor , but I also pay a lot of taxes and at the end of the day, I'm going to enjoy the money I earn, whether Ain't it likes it or not. If I could afford a yacht, well hell yes, I would probably buy one. And if you think I'm spoilt, then fair deal, you are entitled to your opinion, just like I am mine.
Soozie
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8:50am Fri 11 Sep 09
One Star wrote:SO sorry
Soozie wrote: Then whose fault is it brat? If these super yachts are proliferating whilst people starve it means the distribution of wealth is not working fairly and if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. Call me what you want, makes no difference to me. When you start calling people names Ain't it, you've lost the argument. Why should wealth be distributed fairly by those who work hard and earn it, to those who do nothing all day? It is the governments fault who hand out beneifts left and right. It encourages poverty. People have no ambition to work and earn anymore. Just look around you at all the lazy gits sitting int he pubs and wandering the high streets. The paper yesterday said parts of England live in Dickinson times because kids are not properly toilet trained nor can they dress themselves. I would say that is poor parenting.. Miss D Meaner thank you for answering the question whether I work in banking - yes I do. However, I am not one of those bank workers that brought the economy to its knees. Granted, I am a highly paid contractor , but I also pay a lot of taxes and at the end of the day, I'm going to enjoy the money I earn, whether Ain't it likes it or not. If I could afford a yacht, well hell yes, I would probably buy one. And if you think I'm spoilt, then fair deal, you are entitled to your opinion, just like I am mine.Its Dickensian, not Dickinson
I hadn't had my coffee yet.
Janet Dee
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11:05am Fri 11 Sep 09
Soozie
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11:17am Fri 11 Sep 09
Thank you for your comments, although you have added nothing new, or of value, thanks just the same. Excuse my minor mistakes, but my day starts quite early and ends quite late. Work you see.
I'm glad to see we have the local spell check lady around to sort me out.
As for banking bonuses, many of the people I know who get bonuses, earn them and should quite rightly get them. People shouldn't be penalised because of a few bad (and highly paid) apples.
I guess we could lump our MPs in with those corrupt Rooskies eh?
Regardless, those who earn/have money should enjoy it, and enjoy it now.
You have a nice day too Jan.
Janet Dee
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11:27am Fri 11 Sep 09
Soozie
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11:31am Fri 11 Sep 09
Janet Dee wrote:I didn't miss the point. We could also point out the benefit bums as well as the Rooskies, MPs etc as those who do not earn their money.
Nothing new or of value? Then you missed the point. And MPs may be a rotten lot too but they've only been filching pennies compared to some of your fellow bankers and these Ruskie Oligarchs. I agree with Aint it and Biffo about 4 wheel drives too. Bye x
Filching pennies? Is that what it is? LOL
Give the grey matter a shake Jan.
Have a peachy afternoon.
Janet Dee
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11:39am Fri 11 Sep 09
Soozie
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11:43am Fri 11 Sep 09
Janet Dee wrote:I'm not talking true cases of people on benefits Jan. You made the generalisation.
Soozie you shouldnt make generalisations like that. I know a few people on benefits, all have lost their jobs recently because of the recession and none wants to be on benefits but they have no choice. Every single one has worked hard all their lives but when they need help the benefits are stupidly low, none can survive on the pitiful amounts they receive. You shouldn't lump people togeather like that. Not my grey matter that needs shaking Soozie. Byeeee.
I'm talking the cheats, the ones who claim, work and cheat.
The ones that have never worked in their lives. The lazy and workshy, this country has plenty of them.
Not genuine cases and I know there are many and I feel bad for them.
BTW you need to learn to spell. You have made a few errors yourself - I'll point them out if you like?
Give the grey matter a tweak Jan :)
Have a scooby dooby day.
I'm sure you will be back though.
Janet Dee
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11:47am Fri 11 Sep 09
Janet Dee
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11:51am Fri 11 Sep 09
Soozie
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11:51am Fri 11 Sep 09
Janet Dee wrote:I am truly sorry to hear that. I think those that have worked hard, paid their stamp, tax, etc and then, through no fault of their own, lose their job. Add insult to injury the benefits they get are pathetic. A real shame.
Got to go now Soozie, got to pick my grandson up from nursery school. My daughter has had to take on a job in a care home that pays a pathetically poor wage because my son-in-law lost his job a few months ago and cannot find a new one despite trying hard. Not his fault he lost his job, last one in first one out thanks to cutbacks. I'm sure the same story is being repeated all over the country, but must go. Byeee
I hope your son-in-law finds something soon.
Soozie
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11:54am Fri 11 Sep 09
Janet Dee wrote:You would like to work with me. I make great coffee and laugh a lot.
You seem like a real nice person Soozie, got to have the last word haven't you? If you don't mean generalisations then don't say them. Engage brain before tapping keyboard Soozie. Glad I don't work with you. Really must go now.
As for generalisations, I'm not the only one guilty of it.
So lets agree to disagree, have a virtual handshake and have a nice afternoon - okay?
Too nice a day not to smile and enjoy it.
Soozie
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11:54am Fri 11 Sep 09
Janet Dee wrote:You would like to work with me. I make great coffee and laugh a lot.
You seem like a real nice person Soozie, got to have the last word haven't you? If you don't mean generalisations then don't say them. Engage brain before tapping keyboard Soozie. Glad I don't work with you. Really must go now.
As for generalisations, I'm not the only one guilty of it.
So lets agree to disagree, have a virtual handshake and have a nice afternoon - okay?
Too nice a day not to smile and enjoy it.
Nice Guy Eddie
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12:36pm Fri 11 Sep 09
The King of Southend
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12:38pm Fri 11 Sep 09
richomack360
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1:41pm Fri 11 Sep 09
The King of Southend wrote:Yes. In the same sense of "do we need cars that have a top speed of 155 mph +"
Does any individual *really* need a 355ft long yacht?
We don't, but we do it because we can !
BTW Soozie, I could really do with a coffee and a laugh ! pop over !
Aint it just the truth
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3:22pm Fri 11 Sep 09
Partyboy2
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3:22pm Fri 11 Sep 09
The King of Southend wrote:It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it.... :-)
Does any individual *really* need a 355ft long yacht?
Dissappointed
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4:08pm Fri 11 Sep 09
richomack360
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5:19pm Fri 11 Sep 09
Dissappointed wrote:..and your excuse is ? I guess you must be at home living on benefits and bought the laptop/computer you are typing away on with the weekly giro ?
Why don't you all get back to work instead of using the internet all day, slackers.
Only jesting
clangrid
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2:43pm Sun 13 Sep 09
Got to go now Soozie, got to pick my grandson up from nursery school. My daughter has had to take on a job in a care home that pays a pathetically poor wage because my son-in-law lost his job a few months ago and cannot find a new one despite trying hard. Not his fault he lost his job, last one in first one out thanks to cutbacks. I'm sure the same story is being repeated all over the country, but must go. Byeee
Ooooh so your daughter has to work now that her husband has lost his job. Be it poor pay, probably still more than benefits, only difference you have to work for it. Shock horror, Janet Dee. Am I the only person aware that in a household unfortunately both parents have to work these days to cover bills???
Janet Dee
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5:10pm Sun 13 Sep 09
Actually my grandson is only three and his little sister only 22 months and we believe that mothers of young children like this should NOT work. In our experience children deprived of maternal care at such an early age seem to grow up cold and unbalanced, and I say this not only as a biased grandmother but because for 25 years I worked as a nursery assistant and saw this phenomena first hand in the children that were left with us all day every day. Young pre-school children need their mothers to grow up balanced loving individuals.
Soozie
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6:56am Mon 14 Sep 09
Janet Dee wrote:Hogwash!
clangrid you're a nice lady aren't you? Actually my grandson is only three and his little sister only 22 months and we believe that mothers of young children like this should NOT work. In our experience children deprived of maternal care at such an early age seem to grow up cold and unbalanced, and I say this not only as a biased grandmother but because for 25 years I worked as a nursery assistant and saw this phenomena first hand in the children that were left with us all day every day. Young pre-school children need their mothers to grow up balanced loving individuals.
The luxury of a stay at home mother can only be had if the mum is one of the Breeding Benefit Brigade, which is paid for by the taxpayer.
These kids tend to grow up to be the yobs and bums you see everyday.
I know many parents who both work all day everyday and leave their children with daycare or carers. These kids are happy and very well adjusted.
They may not want to do it, but it isn't financially feasible for one to stay at home....not in this country anyway. Kids are expensive and two incomes are needed to stay off the dole queue.
I have a lot more respect for mothers who work and juggle child rearing then the ones who stay at home with their hand out, from the taxpayer to pay for their lifestyle, and kids they cannot afford on their own.
Aint it just the truth
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11:08am Mon 14 Sep 09
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Once upon a time Mums used to stay at home to nurture their kids and we had a much nicer more balanced community. Now we have the latch key generation who are NOT so well adjusted, I see it myself every day, but then I am a parent wheras you clearly are not.
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Wait til you'r a Mum. Second thoughts, you were probably a latch key kid yourself weren't you, that's probably why you are a greddy self centred profit orientated banker isn't it? All is clear.
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No young child, and we're talking pre-school here, has "respect" for her Mum going out to work, they all want and need their Mums around them at that age. Grow up Soozie.
Soozie
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11:29am Mon 14 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth wrote:Whats with the insults? God what a bad attitude you have - holy cow.
Rubbish! Typical comment from greedy self-centred selfish *anker, sorry banker, who is not yet a mother. :: Once upon a time Mums used to stay at home to nurture their kids and we had a much nicer more balanced community. Now we have the latch key generation who are NOT so well adjusted, I see it myself every day, but then I am a parent wheras you clearly are not. :: Wait til you'r a Mum. Second thoughts, you were probably a latch key kid yourself weren't you, that's probably why you are a greddy self centred profit orientated banker isn't it? All is clear. :: No young child, and we're talking pre-school here, has "respect" for her Mum going out to work, they all want and need their Mums around them at that age. Grow up Soozie.
You are speaking for all mums now?
I'm not a greedy self centred banker. I work in banking but am not A BANKER - understand?
Get your facts correct.
Yes once upon a time mums did stay at home....but who can afford to now? Mums who work have well adjusted kids.
Quality time over quantity. I wonder how many stay at home mums plop their kids in front of the idiot box??
No, my mum stayed home until I was of school age.
But then we were better off than most. My mum then went back to work.
I respected my mother for working. She had a brilliant job and was good at it.
And you assume I have no children - which makes you rather silly doesn't it?
LOL - have a cuppa decafe, it will do wonders for that hot head of yours.
Soozie
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11:32am Mon 14 Sep 09
Enjoy the day - meant to be sunny.
Maybe go out on that little put-put boat of yours.
Be safe and wear a lifejacket.
Janet Dee
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11:42am Mon 14 Sep 09
Soozie
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11:49am Mon 14 Sep 09
Old fashioned views but I respect that.
Perhaps in many cases what you say is true, however I know parents who both work and there is nothing wrong with their kids. They are perfectly content.
I disagree about why mums work though. Not all want bigger houses or cars and not all are selfish.
They want better things (not necessarily material) for their kids and that extra money can help.
Kids education is very expensive here and I for one would not want my kid finishing her education 30 grand in debt. A good university education is really important.
Pretty soon a person won't be able to get a job at Rotten Ronnies' without a first class degree.
You enjoy the day too.
Janet Dee
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12:04pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Soozie
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12:16pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Unless of course the husband (if they are married) are making an excellent salary.
anon anon
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12:46pm Mon 14 Sep 09
ToniP
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12:51pm Mon 14 Sep 09
I am sorry Janet but you are wrong. My mother died when I was only 4 years old. My father had to work to support me and our home. I have grown up perfectly fine, I work and have done since leaving school so have never claimed benifits. I have no children, as I am too young at the moment (22 yrs old.) so still no benifits at all.
I tend to agree with most of what Soozie has said.... If you have the money then spend it, why not... I am sure you all have your 32-42 inch flat screen tv's on your walls and your laptops etc etc... did you think about this poor world and the hungry people in it when you went to the shops to purchase them???
Aint it just the truth
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1:50pm Mon 14 Sep 09
::
Toni, janet never said all kids, just most, and having your mother die puts you into a completely different category although you also seem overly materialistic. No I don't have a huge TV, and suspect janet isnt the kind of person to have one either.
::
Soozie, you just keep confirming that you are a spoilt materialistic little madam. No wonder you are a banker. If you were more of a humanitarian you'd be a doctor or social worker or artist, not dealing with numbers. Incidently my little boat is not a "putt putt" boat, it's the same kind as most of the first transatlantic racers used, had it for 30 years now, try never to use the motor and cruised as far as Denmark and Norway one hop, something no little motor boat could do and something you could never do. Yeah yeah I know, you wouldn't want to (cos a north sea gale at night would scare you sh*tless).
Soozie
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2:07pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth wrote:Ain't it, what a complete and utter dic*head you are. So now I should have chose to be a doctor, social worker or artist? What like you?
Thank you janet, agree completely. :: Toni, janet never said all kids, just most, and having your mother die puts you into a completely different category although you also seem overly materialistic. No I don't have a huge TV, and suspect janet isnt the kind of person to have one either. :: Soozie, you just keep confirming that you are a spoilt materialistic little madam. No wonder you are a banker. If you were more of a humanitarian you'd be a doctor or social worker or artist, not dealing with numbers. Incidently my little boat is not a "putt putt" boat, it's the same kind as most of the first transatlantic racers used, had it for 30 years now, try never to use the motor and cruised as far as Denmark and Norway one hop, something no little motor boat could do and something you could never do. Yeah yeah I know, you wouldn't want to (cos a north sea gale at night would scare you sh*tless).
LOL - yeah right.
I can imagine what line, if any work you are or were in.
Get it through that thick grey matter that I am not a banker.
As for a small gale - I'm from Canada so I can handle weather that you would whimper and cry from.
40 below and 40 mile an hour winds.....like to see a woosie like you do that.
See bragging about your putt-putt is so droll. I guess little men like you brag to make up for all your obvious flaws.
And for the record, I have a small tv, I find Tv a waste of time, pretty much like replying to Ain't it.
BTW, is it foul in your books to have a cleaner come in weekly?
LewisP
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2:36pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Soozie
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2:44pm Mon 14 Sep 09
LewisP wrote:I said banking - not banker - read the postings above - B-A-N-K-I-N-G not B-A-N-K-E-R
Soozie you previously said you were a banker, its in the postings above, now you say youre not a banker. Youre not even consistent with your lies and b-llsh-t. btw a 40mph wind IS a gale, get your facts right.
Get your eyes checked matie - or learn to read properly.
Blimey - the IQs of posters are really going down lately.
Errr in Canada 40 mph wind is not a gale, but I assume you think you know it all.
LewisP
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3:58pm Mon 14 Sep 09
ps Aint it was right you've got to have the last word or you'll scweam and scweam and scweam won't you?
Biffo-bear
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4:01pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Mary Lou
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4:06pm Mon 14 Sep 09
LewisP
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4:11pm Mon 14 Sep 09
LewisP
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4:28pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Little Susie
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5:22pm Mon 14 Sep 09
LewisP
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5:30pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Soozie
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5:55pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Call me what you want. At the end of the day, I'm smarter, richer and better than you.
Most people? No only to the uneducated which you seem to be.
I work in translation which is part of the support department, something an idiot bumbling fool like you would know nothing about.
In Canada we don't call high winds gales, but then again you have never been out of England so you wouldn't know that.
I don't scream, nor do I take offence at thicko's like you. Maybe that is why I get paid the big bucks eh?
Mwah!
Soozie
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6:06pm Mon 14 Sep 09
LewisP wrote:I don't have to call you anything, I know what you are and so do you.
Really Mary Lou? But then our Sooz wouldn't know that cos she's a mere child and knows nothing. Before you call me an old codger Sooz I may be retired but I'm taking another degree with the OU right now and doing fine thank you.
Mere child? Okay, but a very well paid one - much to your obvious angst.
Another degree in what? Bullsh*te?
Cat hynosis? Or stupidity. If the latter you get high marks.
As for my working, well gosh darn, I am but my work day starts at 6:30 am and ends pretty much the same time.
I am up while you are having your wet dreams.
Biffo-Nah I wasn't the school bully - more like the school brain and the envy cos I had a car, paid for by myself working after school jobs.
Funny how in this country people slam success and money.
Tsk Tsk.
Soozie
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6:08pm Mon 14 Sep 09
LewisP wrote:I dislike sensible, just as much as I think political correctness is for the unimaginative.
He's not here Susie (much more sensible spelling), he's being stretchered down from Mount Kilimanjaro, don't you read the news?
I did read about that, shortness of breath - I wish him well. He seems like an okay guy - ugly as heck though.
Mary Lou
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7:14pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Soozie wrote:" In Canada we don't call high winds gales"..
Hussie? LOL man are you ignorant. Call me what you want. At the end of the day, I'm smarter, richer and better than you. Most people? No only to the uneducated which you seem to be. I work in translation which is part of the support department, something an idiot bumbling fool like you would know nothing about. In Canada we don't call high winds gales, but then again you have never been out of England so you wouldn't know that. I don't scream, nor do I take offence at thicko's like you. Maybe that is why I get paid the big bucks eh? Mwah!
http://www.qc.ec.gc.
ca/Meteo/Documentati
on/Beaufort_e.html
Check out the Meteorological Service of Canada (Quebec Region). The Beaufort scale force 8 is described as a "Gale" and force 9 as a "Strong Gale".
I think I'll drop them a line to get them to amend their language.
Soozie
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7:49pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Awww Canada, land of the free and intelligent - pity you'll never see it Mary Poo.
youknowwhoiam
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8:13pm Mon 14 Sep 09
..as quickly as you can. We will not miss you.
LewisP
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8:52pm Mon 14 Sep 09
youknowwhoiam wrote:I'll second that, you think you're so wonderful don't you Soozie but you've shown us all you're just a silly little girl with a HUGE mouth. Go back where you belong and DONT COME BACK. We can do without cr*p like you.
Many months ago we had a diatribe. You stated you were leaving the UK, if my memory serves me returning to Canada? I think its time to go.......Please..... ..as quickly as you can. We will not miss you.
Biffo-bear
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10:18pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Nebs
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10:30pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Biffo-bear
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10:56pm Mon 14 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth
says...
12:47am Tue 15 Sep 09
Soozie
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7:02am Tue 15 Sep 09
youknowwhoiam wrote:Good Morning
Many months ago we had a diatribe. You stated you were leaving the UK, if my memory serves me returning to Canada? I think its time to go.......Please..... ..as quickly as you can. We will not miss you.
Mary Lou - make sure you write that in French (if you can). I'm sure the good people of Canada couldn't understand that foul Essex accent.
Yes I am going back when my lucrative contract runs out in 2011.
However, they might extend it for another couple of years.
So I will go when I am good and ready :)
Mind you after the general election, this country is going to be in full economic and social melt-down....anyone who can get out, should.
There is nothing really to offer anyone, unless of course you are the work-shy and member of the benefit scroungers....but with unemployment set to rise to awesome levels, I sense the day the money will run out. Not enough taxpayers to pay for all that free time many in this country have.
Shame the hard working ones that lost their jobs due to this governments incompetence, will also suffer.
Biffo-bear - the dole? Why on earth would I embarrass myself and go on the dole? I have a job, money in the bank, my house is paid for - be silly and criminal to do that. Plus how boring would it be to do nothing like you do all day?
As for annoying you....LOL....says a lot about your frame of mind.
Lewis, well - considering i have as much right to be here as you, we'll let that little comment pass.
Ain't it - I bet you are a real fun guy at a party...but certainly not one I would invite to one of mine. Fantasy world? Nope, just a realist.
Nebs, I'll take you to Canada with me :)
Now, my coffee is finished and I have a huge in-box to get through.
Have a nice day.
anon anon
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7:34am Tue 15 Sep 09
southendmechanic
says...
7:37am Tue 15 Sep 09
Soozie
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7:42am Tue 15 Sep 09
southendmechanic wrote:Hello grease monkey
soozie you done it again upsetting people. a few months ago a lovelly debate started regaurding swine flu. Soozie stated she had seen an official goverment document which outlined that people to recieve treatment and anti viaral drugs first would be workers,children,the elderly, and then anyone on benefits. well this caused a stir and local goverment figure got involved asking for more details on this document. Soozie was outted as a lier and she disaapeared for 3 weeks with no more comments. everything this woman says is a lie and filled with hate for others.
And I stand by what I said...
However get your facts correct - it was the vaccine not the anti-virals you muppet.
A local government official? LOL.you need more coffee this morning to cure that hangover you must be suffering from...OOPS silly me, it isn't Friday today -the day you work at home and drink yourself into stupidity, and then post.
You mean the train manager....hahahahah
ahaha....This has certainly brightened my day.
I was actually gone for 4 weeks - had a lovely vacation too.
Soozie
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7:43am Tue 15 Sep 09
anon anon wrote:Thanks anon :) Shame these people cannot accept that. Ho hum.
mng soozie.. just to say im a fan !!!.. abit like me, speak your mind, work hard get the rewards and enjoy life to the full......... have nice day...!!
You have a great day too.
The King of Southend
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8:00am Tue 15 Sep 09
Soozie wrote:As a 'highly paid contractor' surely you trouser enough cash for your partner to staty at home and raise children?
Janet Dee wrote: clangrid you're a nice lady aren't you? Actually my grandson is only three and his little sister only 22 months and we believe that mothers of young children like this should NOT work. In our experience children deprived of maternal care at such an early age seem to grow up cold and unbalanced, and I say this not only as a biased grandmother but because for 25 years I worked as a nursery assistant and saw this phenomena first hand in the children that were left with us all day every day. Young pre-school children need their mothers to grow up balanced loving individuals.Hogwash! The luxury of a stay at home mother can only be had if the mum is one of the Breeding Benefit Brigade, which is paid for by the taxpayer. These kids tend to grow up to be the yobs and bums you see everyday. I know many parents who both work all day everyday and leave their children with daycare or carers. These kids are happy and very well adjusted. They may not want to do it, but it isn't financially feasible for one to stay at home....not in this country anyway. Kids are expensive and two incomes are needed to stay off the dole queue. I have a lot more respect for mothers who work and juggle child rearing then the ones who stay at home with their hand out, from the taxpayer to pay for their lifestyle, and kids they cannot afford on their own.
You really do talk some rubbish.
Soozie
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8:04am Tue 15 Sep 09
Children - plural? LOL
Another dumb person who can't read or comprehend words properly.
southendmechanic
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10:42am Tue 15 Sep 09
LewisP
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10:51am Tue 15 Sep 09
Soozie
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11:08am Tue 15 Sep 09
Shame I had to come here, what to England?
Like I said, I have every right to be here, as much as you do. Maybe even more than you
I'm offended that you think I insult everyone...
No you know that isn't so.
I have thick skin, doesn't matter of the few old sticks aren't fond of me.
No shouldn't you be hard at the books working on your OU degree?
No easy road to success and we don't want you flunking.
Let us know if you pass your course.
Soozie
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11:10am Tue 15 Sep 09
southendmechanic wrote:greasemonkey - no you aren't bad, no one said you are.
i work hard soozie and have people working for me. i also claim benefit for my disable son. does this make me bad????
Stupid yes, bad no.
BTW it is disabled.
LewisP
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11:46am Tue 15 Sep 09
Soozie
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11:48am Tue 15 Sep 09
LewisP wrote:I see you can't help yourself either eh?
Lordie, you just can't help yourself can you Sooz? Still as full of cr*p and self-importance as ever I see. And the OU is for interest and expanding my knowledge, not something you would understand dearie.
Expanding your knowledge is fantastic.
If push comes to shove about knowledge and education, I could beat you hands down. Not bragging, just fact.
anon anon
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11:50am Tue 15 Sep 09
Soozie
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11:55am Tue 15 Sep 09
LOL you mean not to be nice to each other.
LewisP
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11:56am Tue 15 Sep 09
LewisP
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11:57am Tue 15 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth
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12:04pm Tue 15 Sep 09
anon anon
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12:11pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Soozie wrote:yeh you know what i mean, !! was busy being a banker at the time !!! only joking ......
lifes too short be nice to each other ! LOL you mean not to be nice to each other.
Soozie
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12:13pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth wrote:Aw bless.
I think Soozie must be the most obnoxious person I have ever come across. I pity her children if she ever has any.
Just get out of bed?
I could say the same about I pity your grandchildren having a grampa like you.
As for Lewis, I have never done drugs in my life, and never will.
Might as well burn your money.
Drugs and booze are very bad news.
You are a couple of silly old men whoobviously need to find some hobbies in your retirement.
Aint it just the truth
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12:20pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Simon123
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12:27pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Soozie
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12:35pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth wrote:You might want to follow your own advice before you continually beak off at me old timer.
Do you never stop? There is something wrong with you. If you truly were as intelligent as you claim then you should know that you should never base your conclusions on assumptions because assumptions are rarely right. And you are the living proof of that as you are wrong, wrong, wrong. Now p*ss off.
Nothing wrong with me mate - perfectly fine. Just calling it as I see it.
Simon - enough :)
Aint it just the truth
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12:37pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Soozie
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12:40pm Tue 15 Sep 09
anon anon
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12:59pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Simon123
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1:14pm Tue 15 Sep 09
come on Soozie, tell us! no one knows who you are...
Aint it just the truth
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2:01pm Tue 15 Sep 09
::
And no I don't garden, I prefer my boat. My wife does all the gardening, finds it relieves the stress of her day job as a Head Teacher - something else you will never be able to do as you clearly have no empathy.
Janet Dee
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2:09pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Nebs
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2:26pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth wrote:Whilst not wishing to get embroiled in this "discussion", I feel that I must correct you on your point about assumptions and conclusions.
Do you never stop? There is something wrong with you. If you truly were as intelligent as you claim then you should know that you should never base your conclusions on assumptions because assumptions are rarely right. And you are the living proof of that as you are wrong, wrong, wrong. Now p*ss off.
How else can you reach a (correct or incorrect) conclusion other than by making (correct or incorrect) assumptions?
Soozie
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2:36pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Janet Dee wrote:Don't feel sorry for me Janet, save it for your unemployed son in law and daughter who is poorly paid. Those people you need to pity.
Other contributors are right Soozie, you are an obnoxious spoilt brat, but I feel sorry for you, because you'll end up as a sad lonely old woman and won't realise the error of your ways until it's too late. Have a nice life Soozie.
Most important.....
My life is just fine, fabulous partner, good friends and family, and neighbours I know. I care about them, they care about me.
I have a nice home, a nice car, good food to eat , nice clothes.
Fair enough if you think I am spoiled and obnoxious - you are entitled to your opinion, as am I.
But at the end of the day, I sleep very well at night .
I hope you have a nice life Jan - sounds like you could use the luck.
Ain't it - If I wanted to be a teacher, I would have. Poor pay, no thanks no nothing. Half the kids in this country graduate without knowing much of anything, anyway.
Soozie
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2:44pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Seem to be stuck in Stepford Wives mode. Scary
Janet Dee
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3:19pm Tue 15 Sep 09
youknowwhoiam
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3:23pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Soozie
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3:28pm Tue 15 Sep 09
You don't really have much of a mind of your own eh? Bet you are just as much fun as Ain't it at a party - NOT.
Stepford wife still comes to mind.
You should channel that energy into helping your family Jan.
You worry about your own life Jan and that unemployed family of yours.
Byeeeeeeeee
westcliff willi
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4:05pm Tue 15 Sep 09
still can't work out who's right or what started it.
Nebs
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4:11pm Tue 15 Sep 09
LewisP
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4:21pm Tue 15 Sep 09
youknowwhoiam wrote:You are right, we should just ignore her, she/he has nothing to add anyway, just keeps telling us how she/he is better than anyone else. Interesting that you thought she/he has ADS, I noticed that Aint It thinks she/he has a Messianic Complex and I was thinking she/he might be on drugs, but have you noticed the headline story today? Mental Health Patient escapes! Maybe we are all right!
I think Soozie suffers from Attention Deficit Syndrome. Shall we all just send her to Coventry. She might go away. Plus I am not sure she is a she and not a chap who is undergoing gender reassignment. Hormone pills are playing havoc. I am not going to react to her comments any longer they are meaningless anyway. Bye Bye Soozie not nice knowing you.
Mary Lou
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4:23pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Nobody minds you being a Walter Mitty. If that whats gets you through the day, then fine who am I to judge. If your persona is a high paid Canadian in banking so be it.
I am a retired nurse, but my husband is in IT and as project & programme manager he has hired a few Finance Directors in his time. I asked him if there would be people that you like to portay in banking. His view was that the contractor techies were a bit nerdy , but very nice people.
The management consultants who's fees are £1000-£2000 per day are also nice people and polite with it. The traders were very mouthy, but they are going the way of the dinosaur. Anyway these type of people would not normally spend their entire day on this site.
So, I sugest its time Soozie went away.
Pick another persona as exotic as you like. American pop star or someone who has an uncle who is a big game hunter in Africa and is bringing you a lion home for your birthday. Whatever, but please select someone who is not arrogant and rude. It's very boring.
Soozie
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5:52pm Tue 15 Sep 09
I suggest you go away....if you don't like what you read, don't read it - simple eh?
Your husband is right in some aspects, but not in others. Although I'm not a trader, traders will always be around and always make big money. Nothing has been learned from this crash.
As for spending time on this site, well you would be surprised at how many people spend more time on the internet - and I hasten to add, these are people who work at the bailed out banks.
You shouldn't worry though, I don't work for any bank that was bailed out.
But you are okay to say I should go away....
This country has nothing else to offer the rest of the world, except finance. No more manufacturing, nor more industry at all. Soon the finance industry will crumble and the whole country will be crippled.
Real shame I might add.
But the sensible ones will leave this country and take their money/families with them.
England has become 3rd world and people are laughing at it.
Cannot wait to be where there are no vomiting drunks, dole scrongers, illegals, lazy work shy bums, druggies and boozers supported by the taxpayer.
Good education, good healthcare, clean air, people not living on top of each other.
Again a shame.
So I'm going to make as much money as I can, then also head out of this country.
That is one thing this country was good for, made myself a small fortune.
Now off home.
have a nice evening Mary Lou
LewisP
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8:32pm Tue 15 Sep 09
LewisP
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10:29am Wed 16 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth
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10:56am Wed 16 Sep 09
::
Soozie, why don't you leave your e-mail address, I'd like to tell you just how far you are removed from reality but unlike you I'm not doing it in public.
::
Soozie
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11:03am Wed 16 Sep 09
Aint it just the truth wrote:LOL. give a pikey like you my email?
I agree LewisP, the consensus is impressive. :: Soozie, why don't you leave your e-mail address, I'd like to tell you just how far you are removed from reality but unlike you I'm not doing it in public. ::
No way. For all I know you are some repressed pervert, or worse.
Aint it just the truth
says...
1:03pm Wed 16 Sep 09
Soozie wrote:Fine, can't really be bothered with your cr*p anyway.
Aint it just the truth wrote: I agree LewisP, the consensus is impressive. :: Soozie, why don't you leave your e-mail address, I'd like to tell you just how far you are removed from reality but unlike you I'm not doing it in public. ::LOL. give a pikey like you my email? No way. For all I know you are some repressed pervert, or worse.
Soozie
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7:14pm Wed 16 Sep 09
Don't get what you want, you resort to an insult. Poor breeding.
Aint it just the truth
says...
8:23am Thu 17 Sep 09
Soozie
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9:47am Thu 17 Sep 09
LOL.....you dummy I thionk you spelled that wrong.
UK saying? You sure of the origin?
Nothing wrong with my attitude grampie. You and your cronies don't like anyone that doesn't agree with you so that is YOUR problem. Not mine.
As for nt getting what I want? I always get what I want, always have.
Have a good day Ain't it.
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bumper says...
6:26pm Wed 9 Sep 09
very nice its a yacht ?
sad people .