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Plan goes in for £30m Southend Airport expansion

Planning application goes in for £30m Southend Airport expansion plan Planning application goes in for £30m Southend Airport expansion plan

THE £30million development of Southend Airport is finally set for take-off.

Stobart Air submit a planning application today which could see the extension of the runway and other changes put in place by May 2011.

The move follows negotiations with Southend and Rochford councils over night flights and noise controls, if the expansion gets the go-ahead.

The controversial plan would involve the demolition of six houses and closing Eastwoodbury Lane to traffic.

Work is already under way on a new railway station on the Liverpool Street to Southend Victoria line, and a new control tower is planned for the near future. More than 6,500 jobs could be created as part of the development.

The planning application will be subjected to close examination by members of Southend Council’s development control committee.

The committee will review the application when it meets in January next year, and has the power to accept or reject the submitted plans.

Composed of members of all parties, the committee is independent within the council and has the authority to impose further controls on the development as part of any approval.

Council leader Nigel Holdcroft said: “I expect councillors to scrutinise the airport planning application thoroughly and fairly, taking into account both the needs of the airport operator and the local community.”

  • EXCLUSIVE DETAIL IN TODAY'S ECHO

Comments(44)

BASILBRUSH says...
8:31am Tue 13 Oct 09

Good news! Progress in this town.
Its worth pointing out that Eastwoodbury Lane will be diverted allowing freeflow of traffic, not closed as the article suggests.
I just hope the councillors continue to see sense and allow this to happen for 'all' of us.

Soozie says...
8:52am Tue 13 Oct 09

Yay!! Good going! Fingers crossed the councils don't make a bodge of the approval.


Sir Henry Rawlinson says...
8:58am Tue 13 Oct 09

Excellent news. It's up to Southend and Rochford Councillors now not to bottle it.

Peter Pantsless says...
9:33am Tue 13 Oct 09

"Council leader Nigel Holdcroft said: “I expect councillors to scrutinise the airport planning application thoroughly and fairly"...
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What Nigel really means is that SBC will go through this with a fine tooth comb to exploit any oportunity for consultancy and the involvement of Renaissance if possible.
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Many millions of pounds could be squandered if Nigel and his posse play their cards right!

Good luck Stobart, you'll need it!

Soozie says...
10:00am Tue 13 Oct 09

Peter Pantsless wrote:
"Council leader Nigel Holdcroft said: “I expect councillors to scrutinise the airport planning application thoroughly and fairly"... . What Nigel really means is that SBC will go through this with a fine tooth comb to exploit any oportunity for consultancy and the involvement of Renaissance if possible. . Many millions of pounds could be squandered if Nigel and his posse play their cards right! Good luck Stobart, you'll need it!
LOL..Sad but true




152 says...
11:33am Tue 13 Oct 09

Judging by how busy it gets Eastwoodbury Lane would need to be moved further South, otherwise its closure will contribute to traffic chaos elsewhere in the area, such as the A127 and the Ann Boleyn junction.

Max Impact says...
12:51pm Tue 13 Oct 09

152 wrote:
Judging by how busy it gets Eastwoodbury Lane would need to be moved further South, otherwise its closure will contribute to traffic chaos elsewhere in the area, such as the A127 and the Ann Boleyn junction.
Read the full planing app its going to redirect Eastwoodberry Lane not close it.

SARFENDMAN says...
2:50pm Tue 13 Oct 09

Shame this development was never taken up when first suggested back in the 1960's. Still better later than never. A 21st Century Regional Airport at last! AND LOCAL! That's the way forward not the huge London Airports that make travelling a misery. Sooner the better Nige, dont delay it any further. The majority of us wanted this yesterday.

southendreb says...
3:34pm Tue 13 Oct 09

hi basil
i wont comment but remember its only an aplication.

southendreb says...
3:34pm Tue 13 Oct 09

hi basil
i wont comment but remember its only an aplication.

BASILBRUSH says...
3:37pm Tue 13 Oct 09

southendreb wrote:
hi basil i wont comment but remember its only an aplication.
I know. But its a step in the right direction as I far as I am concerned.

gordonbennet says...
5:08pm Tue 13 Oct 09

Excellent news! Long overdue. Let's hope the council do the right thing and approve the plans, both for the sake of the town and the entire area.

diane m says...
5:46pm Tue 13 Oct 09

I must be the only person not cheering.

More planes, more traffic, more polution, more noise.

The extra flights at the moment are a nightmare, making my house shake - I moved from Southend (not far from the airport) to Canvey and it's even worse here than it ever was when I lived there.


southendman9 says...
6:06pm Tue 13 Oct 09

There are photos of the new train station for the airport being built and a discussion on the expansion of the airport at: www. southend forum .com

leighman says...
6:28pm Tue 13 Oct 09

diane m, canvey island says...
5:46pm Tue 13 Oct 09

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The extra flights at the moment are a nightmare, making my house shake - I moved from Southend (not far from the airport) to Canvey and it's even worse here than it ever was when I lived there...............
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Must be a dodgy timber / roughcast build you're in!

BASILBRUSH says...
7:20pm Tue 13 Oct 09

gordonbennet wrote:
Excellent news! Long overdue. Let's hope the council do the right thing and approve the plans, both for the sake of the town and the entire area.
diane m,
An extension would actually benefit you. With the runway extension a new Instrument Landing System (ILS) would be installed. This would give a steeper approach angle and more accurate approaches on runway 06 which you are under. The aircraft would be higher.
Plus with the proposed restrictions and a longer runway. Where possible aircraft will be able to land on 24 (from the NE) and depart to the North East more often than now. Avoiding Canvey, Leigh etc.

ericslayer says...
7:41pm Tue 13 Oct 09

I though they were going to build a new terminal building and visitor centre, there is no mention of either in the plans, only the railway station, the new hotel plan also appears to have been dropped now, perhaps the propaganda machine is working overtime !!

voiceofleigh says...
7:50pm Tue 13 Oct 09

I smell a rat seems as though Mr Brush can't sleep (comments at 8.30 posted 1/2 hr after Echo posted it)and has lots of inside techi info - could it be he has something to do with the airport???? Lots of positive posts first thing (could be he has lots of mates also cant sleep) Wake up Southend, Leigh, Westcliff and all other areas that will be blighted by the noise and pollution - seems like you don't mind losing £10,000's off the value of your property when the planes whizz past your rooftops - you are being seduced by stealth - don't look into their eyes!! You have been warned!!!

BASILBRUSH says...
8:11pm Tue 13 Oct 09

Or that he is fed up of the anti's spouting rubbish and gets the chance to look at the internet before work. And has the ability to read the information and digest its contents.
And wants to see progress in this town.
I perhaps spend too much time reading this and commenting on many different projects in the town.
But if Stobart want to pay for my time i would only be too glad to accept! ;)

Nebs says...
12:39am Wed 14 Oct 09

I am surprised that so many people have really strong views, one way or the other, about the airport, yet the article about the airport in the estuary, which will create more jobs for southend than southend airport, but will be noisy for the whole of southend, has comparatively few.

Thames Gateway says...
7:20am Wed 14 Oct 09

Maybe that's because most people realise the island airport hasn't a hope in hell of being built between Southend and Kent, and is being used more as a political football as and when it suits the politicians.
Southend airport is of course a reality, just waiting to be utilised properly as an airport.

Sir Henry Rawlinson says...
8:49am Wed 14 Oct 09

This is a great opportunity for the area which needs to be sorted out and yes I agree some of the finer details need to be publicised.
There are two polar views here and a negotiated compromise has to be the best option. In one corner, Stobarts would like an unrestricted airport with flights allowed at any time but they have accepted the restrictions. Similarly, the residents want no expansion but Kiti Theobald has made the right noises about steps in the right direction. Hopefully the Council will approve the plans, however, what if they don't?

As far as I can see there are two likely scenarios:
1. Stobarts run the airport within the existing guidelines thus increasing the number of freight and, potentially, passenger flights both day and night.
2. They decide to pull out and sell to a property developer, resulting in a massive housing estate on the site, bringing with it its own problems (and potentially a Dale Farm 2 during the protacted planning process).

A final word to those still against the scheme - be careful what you wish for....


Levelfield says...
9:29am Wed 14 Oct 09

I lived the first 40 years of my life in Southend, until work took me away, and I remember the time when the whole town was vibrant with Victoria Avenue, for example, being a sense of local pride and substantial employment. Just look at it now. Can anyone seriously argue that Southend does not need to be revitalised commercially? I find it depressing to read that employment in Southend lags the rest of the region by 10% and I half expect to find a sign at the boundary on the A127 saying 'Welcome to Southend - the town of missed opportunities'.
Yet here we have a major British company who is prepared to invest £30 million to create one of the most modern airport infrastructures in the country, who has in return agreed very strict limits to night and freight flights (much stricter I'm sure than most people would have believed likely and certainly putting the lie to the colourful stories about Stobart wanting to turn the airport into an airfreight hub), and is planning a 'preferred runway' operation so as to reduce further the noise effects over Eastwood and Leigh. To say nothing of the employment opportunities which will inevitably result and the fact that local residents will not have to travel to Gatwick or Stansted and all the hassle that involves. And still there are people who would kick Stobarts in the teeth and prefer to keep things as they are. That's OK if you're retired and just want peace and quiet, (apart from the possibility of 30 night flights every day of course if the plans are turned down) but what about the younger generation for whom jobs are becoming ever more difficult to find? If this opportunity is thrown away the town will continue its decline and the fact will not be overlooked by the wider business community when planning their expansion or relocation options.
It really is that important.



tophatdt says...
9:45am Wed 14 Oct 09

I can't imagine that the once weekly flight to Jersey from Southend, and one or two mainteance jets a week are shaking the timbers of that lady's house in Canvey. Perhaps she is seeing the regular overlights to and from London-City turning over Canvey inbound to their westerly runway. If not, I suggest she has the foundations checked.

tophatdt says...
9:49am Wed 14 Oct 09

CORRECT VERSION due to typing errors: I can't imagine that the once weekly flight to Jersey (finished now till next year), plus two or three maintenance jet flights a week are shaking the timbers of that lady's house on Canvey. Perhaps she is seeing the regular overflights to and from London-City turning over Canvey Island inbound to the westerly runway there. If not, I suggest she has the foundations checked out.

SafetySam says...
12:00pm Wed 14 Oct 09

I cant wait to book my holidays.
My bag is waiting to be packed ready for a stroll just down the road to the airport. (Shall I be really lazy and get a train from Rochford station to the new airport station!).
Just one point - If the operators of the Airlines/Airport were to exceed the number of flights or the regulated noise limits and get fined, who gets the cash? I bet it is the government!

Sealherder says...
2:38pm Wed 14 Oct 09

The truth is that this airport expansion is totally needless. The region is already served by enough Hub airports.

Southend airport and all the other wannabe "London" regional airports are currently exploiting the local planning system in a race to beat a more strategic air transport Bill that will control them and be part of our carbon emissions and global warming policy.

The current thinking of our civic planners and our local politicians is locked in the past on this project.

We live in a densely populated area, surrounded by noisy polluting and increasing traffic and crowded skies at all altitudes.

Contrails increase global warming, particulates increase pollution and lower air quality, exhaust gases add to the carbon load and noise and visual intrusion from aircraft destroys any tranquility.

For those of you who argue that this will rejuvenate the seafront and regenerate the rest of the town, how many times have you visited the town nearest to the airport you fly from? Do you visit the towns of Gatwick and Stanstead before or after you fly in or out of them? No people don’t do that, they transit through to their final destination as quickly as possible.

The only thing this project will rejuvenate is the bank balance of Stobart Group and they don't care about the consequences because they don't live here. We are being hoodwinked over profit and in ten years time when the world is a very different place you won’t be glad about losing what little space and tranquility we currently have around us.

For the planners and politicians its an easy choice, they will always back someone who is prepared to spend 30 million of their own money and take away the hard work of finding other more innovative ways of regeneration!

I thinks some of the people who post here clearly have vested interests in the airport expansion, the rest of you need to simply wake up and do some proper home work on the subject before being rude about NIBYs because it will be your back yards very soon.

Sir Henry Rawlinson says...
3:16pm Wed 14 Oct 09

Sealhereder - you have your opinion and, while not connected with the airport or Stobarts in any way, I have mine, however, let me ask you one question.
Would you rather have an airport that is strictly controlled, particularly at night or one where the operator has virtually free rein to allow planes to land and take off whenever they want?

Sealherder says...
4:03pm Wed 14 Oct 09

Sir Henry, you appear to trade in the "fear" of something worse than we have already. But what we have is an almost redundant airstrip with a speculative short term investment to capitalise on the Olympic travel boom. Its no accident that the UK will get the Olympics out of the way before it agrees to include air transport in the EU carbon trading scheme in "2012" and then of course its Rio's problem isn’t it. I would suggest that if the supporters of the proposed airport expansion who post here are serious about the issue they should read "Breaking the Holding Pattern" a paper recently published by The Sustainable Development Commission that states inert alia: The next four years are important. In 2008 and 2009 the Government will make major decisions on airport expansion at Heathrow and Stanstead, and between 2009 and 2011 will develop its Air Transport White Paper into a National Policy Statement for Aviation... It goes on to say... "But while the evidence informing these decisions is so widely contested, and the outcomes of important political decisions on addressing aviations climate impacts remain uncertain, we believe the risks of decisions in favour of expansion outweigh the possible benefits. So we must wonder mustn't we why Rochford Council and Southend Council and Stobarts are in such a rush to get the planning through now before a new “greener” Government decides it can’t believe any of the data in support of expansion? Profit and politics, are the unseemly rush to get this project off the ground and means they just don't give a **** for the people who have to live under its shadow....

Sir Henry Rawlinson says...
4:20pm Wed 14 Oct 09

One person's trading in 'fear' is another's opinion. Equally, there is absolutely nothing stopping Stobarts from increasing flights at the moment without meaningful restriction (other than getting an airline on board of course before the pedants kick in). This is not trading in fear, this is a fact.

Sealherder says...
4:42pm Wed 14 Oct 09

Well that's extremely unlikely isn't it given that Civil Aviation is facing its worst ever recession? Passenger movements are down, freight movements are down Flybe, Ryan Air Easy Jet and all the bigger brands are shedding jobs and flights! So what exactly do we have to be afraid of by delaying the planning consent for Southend Airport until our national Government come up with a national policy on all aviation expansion? Its the rush to get this planning through that is the "smoking gun" evidence that this plan doesn't fulfill any strategic transport "need" but is a simple investment "want" from Stobart investors....

BASILBRUSH says...
5:16pm Wed 14 Oct 09

Sealherder... You talk of trading in fear. Yet SAEN and environmental groups have done that the entire time. Its all they seem to do.

The rush you talk has been over 10 years considering the lack of progress and investment in the past and the want to capitalise on the upcoming Olympic games. Which the town as a whole could benefit from.
By showing they have a capable airport during the games, will probably attract future business post Olympics.... No hidden agenda. Just good business sense.

The airport and Stobart group won't save the town on its own, but will promote the town and encourage other investors to look seriously at Southend and surrounding areas along with an expanding University. This leads to employment and opportunities.

This is not an overnight project. You talk of declining aviation in the past 18 months. Thats not long term.


voiceofleigh says...
5:27pm Wed 14 Oct 09

Well said Sealherder - maybe some other folk will see the common sense approach and put a stop to this wannabe a big airport thing!! small is beautiful and it should remain so - have you seen the size of the proposed aircraft to land and take off? the only times that a few EMPTY versions of this type of aircraft took off from southend - the noise was dreadful. Time for action Southend!!

ericslayer says...
5:38pm Wed 14 Oct 09

Four airport stories in just two days, seems their propaganda machine is working in overdrive to get the plans passed regardless of the negative issues and long term local impact for residents and environment.

318 says...
8:41pm Wed 14 Oct 09

I can't understand why people are so negative about something so positive for the local area of southend??
I use London city once a week, and cant wait for southend to get the green light, this is a fantastic chance to southend back on the map! not just for its airport but all the good thats going to come from it.
Wake up some of you and live for today, Newham council get so much back from the airport its unreal!

Thames Gateway says...
9:11pm Wed 14 Oct 09

318 wrote:
I can't understand why people are so negative about something so positive for the local area of southend?? I use London city once a week, and cant wait for southend to get the green light, this is a fantastic chance to southend back on the map! not just for its airport but all the good thats going to come from it. Wake up some of you and live for today, Newham council get so much back from the airport its unreal!
318 you are right. However bear in mind it is only a vociferous minority of Leigh people, with mixed up arguments, who are against the airport. You can feel the weight of the chips on their shoulders from here, must be a terrible burden.

Sealherder says...
9:16pm Wed 14 Oct 09

Basil perhaps SAEN just wanted to balance the media mills of Stobart and the two Councils to provide you with the other side of the argument? I’ve been a neighbour of the airport for the last 36 years so realise as you will that the world was a very different place 10 years ago and will be unrecognisable in another 10 years time from 20 years ago. Voiceofleigh is right do you want to have 737’s a jet the size of 4 houses going over at rooftop level every 20 minutes? In July, in August and in September when you want to sit outside? Do you want to hear and see them every 20 minutes on Sundays, Christmas Days, Boxing Days and New Years Days? Will you think its progress when Southend Hospital is overflowing with the next Pandemic victims because we have become a transit Hub for spreading the virus? When are roads are so blocked it take you an hour to drive 10 miles? The Southend Airport Expansion is a short sighted project by short-sighted planners and short sighted politicians, they want to rush it through now because “times they are a changing” and I am not a member of any pressure group, unless you count the seals and all the other wildlife that never has a say in what flies over them, and what pushes them to the margins of their environments..

BASILBRUSH says...
2:43am Thu 15 Oct 09

Pandemics!... Southend hospital overflowing.
'737’s a jet the size of 4 houses going over at rooftop level every 20 minutes?'
Again nonsense, scaremongering and trading in fear.

'

Sealherder says...
8:36am Thu 15 Oct 09

Well have a look at the type of aicraft these "cheap" airlines run Basil? And look at the WHO website on how air travel spreads a pandemic? Then you will be informed on the issue instead of just blustering support for out of date thinking on out of date plan! The Goverment knows that the 2003 white paper on Air Transport is flawed that why they intend to revise it. But perhaps they are scaremongering too? Wake up and look up and count the contrails over Essex on any clear day, now that is shocking..

j-w says...
9:00am Thu 15 Oct 09

ha ha ha ha !
that is about all i can say.

Norfolk says...
11:23am Thu 15 Oct 09

Sealherder, I think you dismiss too lightly the risks of Stobart taking full advantage of the current limit of 915 night flights per month if its plans to turn the airport into a modern, mainly passenger airport are turned down. Rest assured they will want a return on their current investment and if the present very generous night flight quota can be used to attract business from elsewhere, then I doubt that they will hesitate to do that if that is the only way they can make money. They would obviously much prefer the passenger option, which is why they have agreed to literally decimate their future freight opportunities through the reduction to just 120 night movements per month and the limit of 10% of all flights being cargo. That, and the current station construction, clearly shows their preferred future for the airport. I know that if I lived under the flight path (and I used to in Eastwood) I would far rather have the certainty that the expansion plans provide than the risk of virtually uncontrolled noise nuisance that is the current situation. Could I also suggest that both you and voiceofleigh actually read the planning application and its supporting documents to get the full picture of what is proposed and what minimal increases in noise levels will actually result?
I respect your views on the environment and climate change, but enabling passengers to use Southend instead of Stansted or Gatwick does not result in any net increases in emissions and may actually reduce them by there being an estimated reduction of 4 million passenger car miles per annum currently driven to London area airports from the Southend area.

Sealherder says...
1:30pm Thu 15 Oct 09

Norfolk, thank you for posting a debatable point rather than just a sound bite and you are clearly in the “let’s have slow expansion at the airport” camp. My problem with this approach is it’s really the “wolf in sheep’s clothing” option being the worst option in my view because the limitations on the airport would be by “permissions” and they can be revoked, modified and renegotiated between the airport lease holder Stobart and the Councils who have clearly demonstrated full support for the complete expansion plans in the past. So the control for future expansion once planning is granted will be worth about as much as one of General Custer’s famous treaties with the Red Indians and we all know what happened to them. Long term these permissions would be pretty worthless I would expect, and slow expansion would quickly turn into fast expansion as pressure is put on the councils to allow the Stobart plan to work. The councils, particularly the planners are really only paying lip service to the protesters to get the planning application through at this stage. The local politicians will of course dance this way and that depending upon how they think the local voters will go next time around. But the real weakness in the argument that if we don’t accept this compromise we will have a worse situation is this; if you are right about Stobart flying in freight 24 hours a day to get a return on their investments if planning is not given then why aren’t they doing that right now? The reason is that the airstrip is not suitable to fly in heavy loads, either full of freight or full of people so they would need the planning consent to do that in any event. The argument of worse to come if we don’t allow the planning consent is a “red herring” probably started by the pro expansion lobby, but there is no logic to it. Defeating the planning consents is really the only thing that will stop this expansion happening in ultimately its worst form. To reiterate there is no “need” for this expansion, if all the regional airports around London were developed they would only provide 2% of the total air passenger movements capacity. So there will be a more strategic approach to the problem by the next Government that should consider the whole air transport expansion issue not just the extra runways and developments at Heathrow and Stanstead. I believe it would be prudent for the local planners and councillors to take heed of this and at least defer the planning consent until there is an integrated Air Transport Bill. Norfolk I take your point about reading the full planning application, but having read the latest publication from the Sustainable Development Commission it’s very clear that their industry workshops and forums establish that “any” of the current data provided by the protagonists “for expansion and against expansion” is contestable. They suggest a special Commission to be set up to consider all these issues independently. And on that note I must challenge your sums on the issue of 4 million passenger car miles being saved by the current proposal which is another pro expansion argument. Just because you will have a station at the airport doesn’t mean the passengers will use it on a demographic basis, the 900,000 or so local passengers who currently use their cars to drive to an airport will still do so. Overseas passengers will probably use it but not exclusively but if you wanted to understand more about the movement of passengers I suggest you read the UK Air Passenger Demand and CO2 forecasts published January 2009. In the end the issues surrounding this expansion plan are a mix of local, regional, national and international issues. I would be against it even if I didn’t live near to it, it’s a pity in my view that those that are for the idea won’t consider the bigger picture, because in the future passenger expectations over the convenience and costs of air transport will have to change. 

Norfolk says...
4:48pm Thu 15 Oct 09

Sealherder, thanks for you well argued and polite reply (rather too little of that from some posters, both pro and anti, in my view).
I don't really know how difficult it would be to change the Section 106 agreement as I'm no lawyer, but as I understand it the Agreement forms a part of any planning consent to which it is attached. If it were to be changed (and only with the consent of both SBC and RDC could that be done) I believe it could invalidate the whole planning consent. I will try to discover a bit more on that point, but if it could be easily changed that would, indeed, be rather alarming as it forms such an important part of the 'give and take' aspects of this application.
On the matter of a large increase in freight flights in the event of the 'status quo' remaining, it's my belief that Stobart would simply take a fresh look at what it then had on its hands and the answer might come up as the freight option, as far as that actually exists. Don't forget that they bought the airport on the understanding that a planning application to extend the runway would be made so, to date, all their assumptions will have been based on it being a passenger airport and that is clearly their wish as things stand. Most freight contracts are renewed annually I believe so there would always be a lag between them wishing to attract new freight operators and it actually happening ,so I'm sure they wouldn't have gone to the trouble with their sights still fixed firmly on the passenger option. Having researched the current European airfreight industry there seem to be at least 100 aircraft of about 5 tonnes capacity going to and fro each night, with none of these currently using Southend. I'm not saying it would be a racing certainty by any means, but it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Stobarts could at least try to attract some of that work if the worst came to the worst in they eyes. Please accept that I'm not trying to scaremonger in any way, but just pointing out what could happen with absolutely no way of stopping it under the current restrictions.
Perhaps I wasn't clear on the point about the 4 million car miles, but I read that this is the mileage currently driven by people living in the Southend area who at present fly from other London area airports than Southend. I agree that not many local people will use the station - that will be mainly used by incoming passengers from Europe to gain easy access to London. It's the great reduction in the 900,000 passengers driving elsewhre which you mention that will bring about that saving as I understand it.
I will read the document that you mention on UK Air Passenger Demand.
Your point about the Sustainable Development Commission report and a possible future intergrated Air Transport Bill is certainly an arguable one and that aspect should be considered by the planning authority. My feeling though is that the timescale might be rather long for such a Bill to become law, if ever, and that Stobarts could validly argue that it's too vague to be given much weight to a decision on the current planning application. I'll certainly try to find the Sustainable Development Commission report though as it sounds interesting.

notnimby says...
4:31pm Fri 16 Oct 09

Sealherder wrote:
Norfolk, thank you for posting a debatable point rather than just a sound bite and you are clearly in the “let’s have slow expansion at the airport” camp. My problem with this approach is it’s really the “wolf in sheep’s clothing” option being the worst option in my view because the limitations on the airport would be by “permissions” and they can be revoked, modified and renegotiated between the airport lease holder Stobart and the Councils who have clearly demonstrated full support for the complete expansion plans in the past. So the control for future expansion once planning is granted will be worth about as much as one of General Custer’s famous treaties with the Red Indians and we all know what happened to them. Long term these permissions would be pretty worthless I would expect, and slow expansion would quickly turn into fast expansion as pressure is put on the councils to allow the Stobart plan to work. The councils, particularly the planners are really only paying lip service to the protesters to get the planning application through at this stage. The local politicians will of course dance this way and that depending upon how they think the local voters will go next time around. But the real weakness in the argument that if we don’t accept this compromise we will have a worse situation is this; if you are right about Stobart flying in freight 24 hours a day to get a return on their investments if planning is not given then why aren’t they doing that right now? The reason is that the airstrip is not suitable to fly in heavy loads, either full of freight or full of people so they would need the planning consent to do that in any event. The argument of worse to come if we don’t allow the planning consent is a “red herring” probably started by the pro expansion lobby, but there is no logic to it. Defeating the planning consents is really the only thing that will stop this expansion happening in ultimately its worst form. To reiterate there is no “need” for this expansion, if all the regional airports around London were developed they would only provide 2% of the total air passenger movements capacity. So there will be a more strategic approach to the problem by the next Government that should consider the whole air transport expansion issue not just the extra runways and developments at Heathrow and Stanstead. I believe it would be prudent for the local planners and councillors to take heed of this and at least defer the planning consent until there is an integrated Air Transport Bill. Norfolk I take your point about reading the full planning application, but having read the latest publication from the Sustainable Development Commission it’s very clear that their industry workshops and forums establish that “any” of the current data provided by the protagonists “for expansion and against expansion” is contestable. They suggest a special Commission to be set up to consider all these issues independently. And on that note I must challenge your sums on the issue of 4 million passenger car miles being saved by the current proposal which is another pro expansion argument. Just because you will have a station at the airport doesn’t mean the passengers will use it on a demographic basis, the 900,000 or so local passengers who currently use their cars to drive to an airport will still do so. Overseas passengers will probably use it but not exclusively but if you wanted to understand more about the movement of passengers I suggest you read the UK Air Passenger Demand and CO2 forecasts published January 2009. In the end the issues surrounding this expansion plan are a mix of local, regional, national and international issues. I would be against it even if I didn’t live near to it, it’s a pity in my view that those that are for the idea won’t consider the bigger picture, because in the future passenger expectations over the convenience and costs of air transport will have to change. 
well said...i think a judicial review would also be appropriate....

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