Rebecca Harris puts forward Private Member's Bill

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TORY MP Rebecca Harris’s bid to have Britain’s clocks changed to make evenings lighter has won the backing of Britain’s major sporting organisations.

The Football Association, Lawn Tennis Association and England and Wales Cricket Board are among more than 300 bodies to throw their weight behind the Conservative MP’s proposals, called double summertime, which would mean lighter evenings and darker mornings.

The groups are backing the plans because it will allow both amateur and professional athletes more time in the evenings to devote to their chosen pastimes.

Mrs Harris, who has tabled a Private Member’s Bill on the issue in the Commons, said: “It will give people more time to do things in the evening instead of staying at home and watching TV.

“It’s not just sports, it’s fantastic for gardeners and all sorts of other outdoor hobbies.”

The Castle Point MP is calling for a cross-department Government review of the pros and cons of bringing clocks forward by two hours in the summer. Alternatively, Britain could be put permanently in the same time zone as most of continental Europe.

However, a major stumbling block could be support in Scotland, where the sun would not rise until 10am in winter.

The proposals were trialled in the Seventies but abandoned over fears of increased accidents on Scottish roads in the morning. Mrs Harris said: “The big challenge is to convince Scotland. It won’t happen without their support.

Double summer time is also supported by the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, which estimates that lighter evenings could save hundreds of lives a year by reducing the number of evening traffic accidents.

The proposal will receive a second reading at the House of Commons on December 3. If more than 100 MPs back them, a further debate will be held.

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2:11pm Fri 17 Sep 10

Nebs says...

No need for double summer time, just change the way we keep time. Get rid of the hours from 1pm to 3.59pm each day, and add an extra three hours at 4am. That way we all get three hours less at work, three hours more sleep, it's lighter in the evening, and stays light in the morning.
No need for double summer time, just change the way we keep time. Get rid of the hours from 1pm to 3.59pm each day, and add an extra three hours at 4am. That way we all get three hours less at work, three hours more sleep, it's lighter in the evening, and stays light in the morning. Nebs
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2:56pm Fri 17 Sep 10

marshman says...

Mrs Harris said: “The big challenge is to convince Scotland. It won’t happen without their support".

It also needs the support of Northern Ireland. Given Northern Britains historic opposition to double summertime, and with all due respect, why waste valuable parliamentary time on a flippant proposal doomed to fail?
Mrs Harris said: “The big challenge is to convince Scotland. It won’t happen without their support". It also needs the support of Northern Ireland. Given Northern Britains historic opposition to double summertime, and with all due respect, why waste valuable parliamentary time on a flippant proposal doomed to fail? marshman
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3:20pm Fri 17 Sep 10

saarfender says...

It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January.

Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings!

If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning.
It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January. Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings! If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning. saarfender
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3:27pm Fri 17 Sep 10

PJR says...

saarfender wrote:
It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January.

Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings!

If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning.
exactly - kids going to school will be in more danger in a dark morning, as they'll be travelling at the same time as people will be rushing around driving to work. When they come out after school, it may be darker, but at least there'll be less cars around, a majority of people work till 5pm.
...
Plus I like the darker evenings - makes it feel more wintery, and therefore closer to Christmas! Late evenings are great for Summer when it's warm.
[quote][p][bold]saarfender[/bold] wrote: It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January. Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings! If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning.[/p][/quote]exactly - kids going to school will be in more danger in a dark morning, as they'll be travelling at the same time as people will be rushing around driving to work. When they come out after school, it may be darker, but at least there'll be less cars around, a majority of people work till 5pm. ... Plus I like the darker evenings - makes it feel more wintery, and therefore closer to Christmas! Late evenings are great for Summer when it's warm. PJR
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3:27pm Fri 17 Sep 10

PJR says...

saarfender wrote:
It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January.

Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings!

If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning.
exactly - kids going to school will be in more danger in a dark morning, as they'll be travelling at the same time as people will be rushing around driving to work. When they come out after school, it may be darker, but at least there'll be less cars around, a majority of people work till 5pm.
...
Plus I like the darker evenings - makes it feel more wintery, and therefore closer to Christmas! Late evenings are great for Summer when it's warm.
[quote][p][bold]saarfender[/bold] wrote: It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January. Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings! If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning.[/p][/quote]exactly - kids going to school will be in more danger in a dark morning, as they'll be travelling at the same time as people will be rushing around driving to work. When they come out after school, it may be darker, but at least there'll be less cars around, a majority of people work till 5pm. ... Plus I like the darker evenings - makes it feel more wintery, and therefore closer to Christmas! Late evenings are great for Summer when it's warm. PJR
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4:55pm Fri 17 Sep 10

John T Pharro says...

PJR wrote:
saarfender wrote: It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January. Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings! If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning.
exactly - kids going to school will be in more danger in a dark morning, as they'll be travelling at the same time as people will be rushing around driving to work. When they come out after school, it may be darker, but at least there'll be less cars around, a majority of people work till 5pm. ... Plus I like the darker evenings - makes it feel more wintery, and therefore closer to Christmas! Late evenings are great for Summer when it's warm.
I back our MP all the way on this one. It was trialed before and the accident rate WENT DOWN.
The children will be going home in more light. It is now dark by 8 o'clock don't you think it would be better dark at 9? It is still light at 6.15 now so would be 7.15 when most people are about so shoudn't be a problem.
It would also mean our clocks would be same as the rest of Europe and would save all that fiddleing about if you go on holiday wouldn't it.
[quote][p][bold]PJR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saarfender[/bold] wrote: It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January. Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings! If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning.[/p][/quote]exactly - kids going to school will be in more danger in a dark morning, as they'll be travelling at the same time as people will be rushing around driving to work. When they come out after school, it may be darker, but at least there'll be less cars around, a majority of people work till 5pm. ... Plus I like the darker evenings - makes it feel more wintery, and therefore closer to Christmas! Late evenings are great for Summer when it's warm.[/p][/quote]I back our MP all the way on this one. It was trialed before and the accident rate WENT DOWN. The children will be going home in more light. It is now dark by 8 o'clock don't you think it would be better dark at 9? It is still light at 6.15 now so would be 7.15 when most people are about so shoudn't be a problem. It would also mean our clocks would be same as the rest of Europe and would save all that fiddleing about if you go on holiday wouldn't it. John T Pharro
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4:59pm Fri 17 Sep 10

j-w says...

considering a lot of schools now start earlier it probably wont make much difference to dark school journeys in the mornings, a lot of which are by car anyway.
considering a lot of schools now start earlier it probably wont make much difference to dark school journeys in the mornings, a lot of which are by car anyway. j-w
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4:59pm Fri 17 Sep 10

GreatDixter says...

saarfender wrote:
It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January.

Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings!

If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning.
Funny how Sweden, Norway, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania all of whom are further north than we are, or indeed Scotland, can manage on Central European time, yet for some reason we will all go around killing each other in the dark.

It's just the usual suspects who are too old and resistant to change who are doing the most minging here.

Better to have the light evenings for our leisure than to waste them at work.
[quote][p][bold]saarfender[/bold] wrote: It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January. Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings! If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning.[/p][/quote]Funny how Sweden, Norway, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania all of whom are further north than we are, or indeed Scotland, can manage on Central European time, yet for some reason we will all go around killing each other in the dark. It's just the usual suspects who are too old and resistant to change who are doing the most minging here. Better to have the light evenings for our leisure than to waste them at work. GreatDixter
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6:16pm Fri 17 Sep 10

upset says...

marshman wrote:
Mrs Harris said: “The big challenge is to convince Scotland. It won’t happen without their support".

It also needs the support of Northern Ireland. Given Northern Britains historic opposition to double summertime, and with all due respect, why waste valuable parliamentary time on a flippant proposal doomed to fail?
As I said on the post about Green belt building I was surprised to agree with Marshman, well I don't on this one. It can hardly be called flippant when so many organisations support the move especially the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, which estimates that lighter evenings could save hundreds of lives a year.
Come on Marshman don't rubbish the idea just cause see's a Tory MP.
[quote][p][bold]marshman[/bold] wrote: Mrs Harris said: “The big challenge is to convince Scotland. It won’t happen without their support". It also needs the support of Northern Ireland. Given Northern Britains historic opposition to double summertime, and with all due respect, why waste valuable parliamentary time on a flippant proposal doomed to fail?[/p][/quote]As I said on the post about Green belt building I was surprised to agree with Marshman, well I don't on this one. It can hardly be called flippant when so many organisations support the move especially the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, which estimates that lighter evenings could save hundreds of lives a year. Come on Marshman don't rubbish the idea just cause see's a Tory MP. upset
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6:45pm Fri 17 Sep 10

BMNO6 says...

She was over herd saying in the confines of (you will have the candidate I choose or central office will take over CP Dave) Dave's office (we are all in this together)Gottle of Gear Gottle of Gear whilst sitting on his lap with his hand up her back, Gotle of Gear Gottle of Gear, the puppet of CP. this pathetic attempt at making a name for herself is doomed to fail if it had any chance I can assure you she would not have been allowed anywhere near the proposal, Gottle of Gear Gottle of Gear, lmao at the puppet MP for CP.
She was over herd saying in the confines of (you will have the candidate I choose or central office will take over CP Dave) Dave's office (we are all in this together)Gottle of Gear Gottle of Gear whilst sitting on his lap with his hand up her back, Gotle of Gear Gottle of Gear, the puppet of CP. this pathetic attempt at making a name for herself is doomed to fail if it had any chance I can assure you she would not have been allowed anywhere near the proposal, Gottle of Gear Gottle of Gear, lmao at the puppet MP for CP. BMNO6
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7:12pm Fri 17 Sep 10

John T Pharro says...

j-w wrote:
considering a lot of schools now start earlier it probably wont make much difference to dark school journeys in the mornings, a lot of which are by car anyway.
Agree with that!! Especially Senior Schools.
[quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: considering a lot of schools now start earlier it probably wont make much difference to dark school journeys in the mornings, a lot of which are by car anyway.[/p][/quote]Agree with that!! Especially Senior Schools. John T Pharro
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7:17pm Fri 17 Sep 10

John T Pharro says...

GreatDixter wrote:
saarfender wrote: It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January. Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings! If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning.
Funny how Sweden, Norway, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania all of whom are further north than we are, or indeed Scotland, can manage on Central European time, yet for some reason we will all go around killing each other in the dark. It's just the usual suspects who are too old and resistant to change who are doing the most minging here. Better to have the light evenings for our leisure than to waste them at work.
Don't drop dead GreatDixter, bit dramatic as we seem do a good job of killing on the roads during the day as well, but I agree with the thrust of your comments.
[quote][p][bold]GreatDixter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saarfender[/bold] wrote: It's not just Scotland where it'll be dark in the mornings. Sunrise in Castle Point is after 08:00 at the end of December/beginning of January. Cycling to work amongst the sleepy eyed commuters in the dark is already a problem during these two or three weeks. If we change the clocks then the length of this hazardous time will extend from the start of November through to the middle of February; and it'll still be pre-sunrise after 09:00 during the darkest mornings! If they push this through then all they'll achieve is to move the accidents from the evening to the morning.[/p][/quote]Funny how Sweden, Norway, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania all of whom are further north than we are, or indeed Scotland, can manage on Central European time, yet for some reason we will all go around killing each other in the dark. It's just the usual suspects who are too old and resistant to change who are doing the most minging here. Better to have the light evenings for our leisure than to waste them at work.[/p][/quote]Don't drop dead GreatDixter, bit dramatic as we seem do a good job of killing on the roads during the day as well, but I agree with the thrust of your comments. John T Pharro
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11:02pm Fri 17 Sep 10

msw_116 says...

Mmm. I watch this with interest.

I wonder how many younger children, usually conditioned with the mantra "light is daytime; dark is bedtime" will refuse and/or not go to sleep until later? I have enough trouble through June-August getting them to sleep!
Mmm. I watch this with interest. I wonder how many younger children, usually conditioned with the mantra "light is daytime; dark is bedtime" will refuse and/or not go to sleep until later? I have enough trouble through June-August getting them to sleep! msw_116
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12:51pm Sat 18 Sep 10

marshman says...

upset wrote:
marshman wrote:
Mrs Harris said: “The big challenge is to convince Scotland. It won’t happen without their support".

It also needs the support of Northern Ireland. Given Northern Britains historic opposition to double summertime, and with all due respect, why waste valuable parliamentary time on a flippant proposal doomed to fail?
As I said on the post about Green belt building I was surprised to agree with Marshman, well I don't on this one. It can hardly be called flippant when so many organisations support the move especially the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, which estimates that lighter evenings could save hundreds of lives a year.
Come on Marshman don't rubbish the idea just cause see's a Tory MP.
lol - even Hitler and Stalin agreed on some things :)

But don't get me wrong. It really wouldn't make that much difference to my work pattern and let's be honest, it gets a bit depressing going to work in the dark and coming home in the dark on those grey winter days. So a bit of extra sunlight in the evenings is to be welcomed.

But whatever my view on the matter it doesn't count. We've still to convince the North and they're unlikely to go for it. I'd hate to see the UK have different time zones North and South. For one thing it'd make TV scheduling a nightmare (news at 10 or 11?).
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marshman[/bold] wrote: Mrs Harris said: “The big challenge is to convince Scotland. It won’t happen without their support". It also needs the support of Northern Ireland. Given Northern Britains historic opposition to double summertime, and with all due respect, why waste valuable parliamentary time on a flippant proposal doomed to fail?[/p][/quote]As I said on the post about Green belt building I was surprised to agree with Marshman, well I don't on this one. It can hardly be called flippant when so many organisations support the move especially the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, which estimates that lighter evenings could save hundreds of lives a year. Come on Marshman don't rubbish the idea just cause see's a Tory MP.[/p][/quote]lol - even Hitler and Stalin agreed on some things :) But don't get me wrong. It really wouldn't make that much difference to my work pattern and let's be honest, it gets a bit depressing going to work in the dark and coming home in the dark on those grey winter days. So a bit of extra sunlight in the evenings is to be welcomed. But whatever my view on the matter it doesn't count. We've still to convince the North and they're unlikely to go for it. I'd hate to see the UK have different time zones North and South. For one thing it'd make TV scheduling a nightmare (news at 10 or 11?). marshman
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8:34pm Sun 19 Sep 10

Nebs says...

msw_116 wrote:
Mmm. I watch this with interest. I wonder how many younger children, usually conditioned with the mantra "light is daytime; dark is bedtime" will refuse and/or not go to sleep until later? I have enough trouble through June-August getting them to sleep!
A wee dram in their cocoa should do the trick.
[quote][p][bold]msw_116[/bold] wrote: Mmm. I watch this with interest. I wonder how many younger children, usually conditioned with the mantra "light is daytime; dark is bedtime" will refuse and/or not go to sleep until later? I have enough trouble through June-August getting them to sleep![/p][/quote]A wee dram in their cocoa should do the trick. Nebs
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