Planning permission granted for £40m museum in Southend (From Echo)

"A pointless conference centre, with no major hotels nearby to support it, no public transport links....."

Max Impact wrote:
I take it, that if it is built you will NEVER visit, I also take it that all those against will NEVER visit, if you have posted on here or sent a letter to the Echo be you a member of the public or elected to serve on the council.

Now the task of finding the funding starts, I for one will pay into any subscription (like the Priory park pavers & Queens Bust) that had running.

Anyone who donates could have their name on a brass plaque inside the entrance, have diffrent sizes for difrent levels of donation.

I bought a paver and donated towards the bust my name will live on as a TRUE suporter of Southend-on-Sea will yours be along side or will your name only be known as somebody who destroyed Southend dream of bringing the Saxon relics home.

j-w wrote:

"A pointless conference centre, with no major hotels nearby to support it, no public transport links....."

Well if you ignore Park Inn Palace Hotel, Southend Central Station and the main Southend Bus Terminal which are all within walking distance, you have a point!

PJR-121 wrote:
So is this being built on the bit that's fallen down?

mys842 wrote:

PJR-121 wrote: So is this being built on the bit that's fallen down?

Yep, the bit that's been closed for 10 years!

PJR-121 wrote:

mys842 wrote:

PJR-121 wrote: So is this being built on the bit that's fallen down?

Yep, the bit that's been closed for 10 years!

Ahh, so it's better to have it closed and fenced off rather than shored up and used?

I'm faling to see the problem!

JAS1983 wrote:
Great news :-) result, hope its built sooner rather than later.

kde wrote:
I thought it was 35 million?? they passed it today and the price has already gone up by 5 million! !

little ray of sunshine wrote:
The majority of Southend people appear to be in favour, so moaners, give up and find something else to keep yourself occupied.

I for one am looking forward to this :)

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

PJR-121 wrote:

mys842 wrote:

PJR-121 wrote: So is this being built on the bit that's fallen down?

Yep, the bit that's been closed for 10 years!

Ahh, so it's better to have it closed and fenced off rather than shored up and used? I'm faling to see the problem!

The problem is this is the thin end of the wedge. The council will now have developers queueing up to build on the rest of the Cliff Gardens all the way to Shorefield Road. And we all know how this council rolls over and plays dead for developers. That's it. This is the beginning of the end for Southend seafront. In ten years time it is going to be as ugly and unattractive to visitors as Victoria Avenue. Well done SBC. You gave just signed the town's death warrant. I hope you're proud. Oh I forgot, pride doesn't come into it does it? Maybe we should have an investigation into which councillors have connections and dealings with which developers...

mys842 wrote:

j-w wrote:

"A pointless conference centre, with no major hotels nearby to support it, no public transport links....."

Well if you ignore Park Inn Palace Hotel, Southend Central Station and the main Southend Bus Terminal which are all within walking distance, you have a point!

The Westcliff hotel is pretty close too. There is also a Premier Inn and the Roslin down the road in Thorpe Bay.

kde wrote:
I thought it was 35 million?? they passed it today and the price has already gone up by 5 million! !

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

PJR-121 wrote:

mys842 wrote:

PJR-121 wrote: So is this being built on the bit that's fallen down?

Yep, the bit that's been closed for 10 years!

Ahh, so it's better to have it closed and fenced off rather than shored up and used? I'm faling to see the problem!

The problem is this is the thin end of the wedge. The council will now have developers queueing up to build on the rest of the Cliff Gardens all the way to Shorefield Road. And we all know how this council rolls over and plays dead for developers. That's it. This is the beginning of the end for Southend seafront. In ten years time it is going to be as ugly and unattractive to visitors as Victoria Avenue. Well done SBC. You gave just signed the town's death warrant. I hope you're proud. Oh I forgot, pride doesn't come into it does it? Maybe we should have an investigation into which councillors have connections and dealings with which developers...

Really...

If you or so anti why not leave town? Go to Margate they like stagnation and decay just like you do.

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

little ray of sunshine wrote:
The majority of Southend people appear to be in favour, so moaners, give up and find something else to keep yourself occupied.

I for one am looking forward to this :)

Really? Have you asked them?

little ray of sunshine wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

little ray of sunshine wrote:
The majority of Southend people appear to be in favour, so moaners, give up and find something else to keep yourself occupied.

I for one am looking forward to this :)

Really? Have you asked them?

No. Thats why i said APPEAR to be in favour by looking at the comments on here.

You actually live for starting arguments on here dont you. I offer you this advice, consider a hobby.

All those towns are more popular than Southend. They all have something in common, they've resisted development and cultural vandalism.

j-w wrote:

All those towns are more popular than Southend. They all have something in common, they've resisted development and cultural vandalism.

Can you point me to where you have found this information please as I am having trouble finding it.

j-w wrote:
Many thanks lefty. a 3 year old report based on nothing more that a survey of 4000 people, I thought you were using facts or something, hard figures of visitor numbers . One comment I did like was this though...

"Blackpool for whatever reason still seems to attract people, although with the new multi million £ revamp it might just about become more worthy IMO"

j-w wrote:
Well I did find this, which Puts Southend above most on your list in terms of money generated by tourism, which is a better guide unless you turn round and tell me that its because Southend is expensive , still old and before the revamped hotels, city beach and airport, so I expect Southend must have climbed even higher now.


http://www.shu.ac.uk

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easide-tourism-repor

t.pdf

RichardAC wrote:
great news. A visionary idea and proof Southend can sometimes get it right. The idea that this is a green light to devoping the whole cliffs is farcial.
The miltants shout a lot and generally are rude to everyone with an opposing view. Speaking to people I know, all so far have been in favour. Reminds me a bit of the airport. The opponents shout and scream but actually the majority in the town are in favour.
The Echo should do a poll.

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

j-w wrote: Well I did find this, which Puts Southend above most on your list in terms of money generated by tourism, which is a better guide unless you turn round and tell me that its because Southend is expensive , still old and before the revamped hotels, city beach and airport, so I expect Southend must have climbed even higher now. http://www.shu.ac.uk /_assets/pdf/cresr-s easide-tourism-repor t.pdf

Although written in 2010, that report uses statistics from 2006/2008. Even older than the example I gave. Southend only appears in the top ten on any of those tables for population. Otherwise it just scrapes in at tenth place in the annual output table. There is no table for visitor numbers or popularity.

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

j-w wrote: Well I did find this, which Puts Southend above most on your list in terms of money generated by tourism, which is a better guide unless you turn round and tell me that its because Southend is expensive , still old and before the revamped hotels, city beach and airport, so I expect Southend must have climbed even higher now. http://www.shu.ac.uk /_assets/pdf/cresr-s easide-tourism-repor t.pdf

Although written in 2010, that report uses statistics from 2006/2008. Even older than the example I gave. Southend only appears in the top ten on any of those tables for population. Otherwise it just scrapes in at tenth place in the annual output table. There is no table for visitor numbers or popularity.

Lefty tell me who won Council of the year 2012?


Would you answer my question If the museum is built will you visit?

tws123 wrote:
Really annoys me why some people always say negative things about THEIR TOWN! You decided to live here so you should support the town, if not then move to somewhere else where no development can take place and stop moaning! Its being so happy that keeps people going in this town it would seem!

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

tws123 wrote:
Really annoys me why some people always say negative things about THEIR TOWN! You decided to live here so you should support the town, if not then move to somewhere else where no development can take place and stop moaning! Its being so happy that keeps people going in this town it would seem!

I do support the town, I do not suport Southend Council's wholesale bulldozing of Southend's history and heritage. It is because I love Southend that I speak out when SBC plan to bulldoze yet more of it.

Southend Council have consistently lied when it comes to their pet projects. Take York Road Market. The council deliberately allowed it to fall into disrepair so they could build a car park. The council claimed the car park on the site of what was York Road Market would be 'temporary'. Years later the car park is still there, looking as permanent as ever.

RichardAC wrote:
no one is bulldozing anything. BTW I thiks there seem to be an awful lot of snobs in Southend who think visitors to the town and residents only want kiss me quick hats.

BIRLIS wrote:
Max Impact says...
4:28pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Now the task of finding the funding starts, I for one will pay into any subscription (like the Priory park pavers & Queens Bust) that had running.

Anyone who donates could have their name on a brass plaque inside the entrance, have diffrent sizes for difrent levels of donation.
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I like that idea, I would consider donating. Local businesses could also get involved...

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:
Max Impact says...
4:28pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Now the task of finding the funding starts, I for one will pay into any subscription (like the Priory park pavers & Queens Bust) that had running.

Anyone who donates could have their name on a brass plaque inside the entrance, have diffrent sizes for difrent levels of donation.
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I like that idea, I would consider donating. Local businesses could also get involved...

That's a great idea. Then we would all know who to blame and which businesses to boycott.

Thames Gateway wrote:
Nice to see a decent project get the go-ahead at last. Southend is short of wet weather venues.

Perhaps the Echo to do an on-line poll as to whether for or against it.

j-w wrote:
The trouble with these friends of the earth types is that they think they can speak for the whole of the south east whether they live in that part of the county or not.

Thames Gateway wrote:
Nice to see a decent project get the go-ahead at last. Southend is short of wet weather venues.

Perhaps the Echo to do an on-line poll as to whether for or against it.

mys842 wrote:
I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote:
I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I disagree. For the vast majority of people who live on this peninsula Southend is the major shopping and entertainment centre so what happens in Southend also affects people from Hockley, Hawkwell, Eastwood, Leigh, Hadleigh, Thundersley etc. Granted a few people from the west end of the peninsula prefer to go to Basildon for shopping and entertainment but in my experince very few do that - check a map, Southend is closer than Basildon town centre even for the people of South Benfleet.

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

BIRLIS wrote: Max Impact says... 4:28pm Wed 18 Jul 12 Now the task of finding the funding starts, I for one will pay into any subscription (like the Priory park pavers & Queens Bust) that had running. Anyone who donates could have their name on a brass plaque inside the entrance, have diffrent sizes for difrent levels of donation. -------------------- -------------------- --- I like that idea, I would consider donating. Local businesses could also get involved...

That's a great idea. Then we would all know who to blame and which businesses to boycott.

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Thames Gateway wrote: Nice to see a decent project get the go-ahead at last. Southend is short of wet weather venues. Perhaps the Echo to do an on-line poll as to whether for or against it.

I would like to see a proper Mori poll done in the town. Instead of a poll on a right-wing local paper's website which would be anonymous, open to anyone, with no proof whatsoever that respondents are actually Southend residents and no guards against multiple votes from individual participants.

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

BIRLIS wrote: Max Impact says... 4:28pm Wed 18 Jul 12 Now the task of finding the funding starts, I for one will pay into any subscription (like the Priory park pavers & Queens Bust) that had running. Anyone who donates could have their name on a brass plaque inside the entrance, have diffrent sizes for difrent levels of donation. -------------------- -------------------- --- I like that idea, I would consider donating. Local businesses could also get involved...

That's a great idea. Then we would all know who to blame and which businesses to boycott.

Such a shame you would hold local buisiness with such distane. All they would be doing is help bring a much needed indoor all weather facility to Southend, they would be helping to get the Cliff Gardens open once more so that we could all enjoy a walk in the gardens once more.

So you would not visiot the museum would you use the re-born Cliff Gardens?

Would you go and listen to any bands that might play at a new bandstand if one was put up?

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Thames Gateway wrote: Nice to see a decent project get the go-ahead at last. Southend is short of wet weather venues. Perhaps the Echo to do an on-line poll as to whether for or against it.

I would like to see a proper Mori poll done in the town. Instead of a poll on a right-wing local paper's website which would be anonymous, open to anyone, with no proof whatsoever that respondents are actually Southend residents and no guards against multiple votes from individual participants.

Why don't you pay for a Mori Poll because lets face facts your so far left you would moan about the cost of the council arranged one, your so far left you started off as a Blairite became a Brownite and are now well and truly a Miliite!

mys842 wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote: I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I disagree. For the vast majority of people who live on this peninsula Southend is the major shopping and entertainment centre so what happens in Southend also affects people from Hockley, Hawkwell, Eastwood, Leigh, Hadleigh, Thundersley etc. Granted a few people from the west end of the peninsula prefer to go to Basildon for shopping and entertainment but in my experince very few do that - check a map, Southend is closer than Basildon town centre even for the people of South Benfleet.

Lol, whether the people of Leigh like it or not, they are Southend. As a whole, London is the primary area for all those things in the South East. That doesn't give the people oft he home counties the right of democracy on local issues and planning.

mys842 wrote:
I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

tws123 wrote:
Really annoys me why some people always say negative things about THEIR TOWN! You decided to live here so you should support the town, if not then move to somewhere else where no development can take place and stop moaning! Its being so happy that keeps people going in this town it would seem!

I do support the town, I do not suport Southend Council's wholesale bulldozing of Southend's history and heritage. It is because I love Southend that I speak out when SBC plan to bulldoze yet more of it.

Southend Council have consistently lied when it comes to their pet projects. Take York Road Market. The council deliberately allowed it to fall into disrepair so they could build a car park. The council claimed the car park on the site of what was York Road Market would be 'temporary'. Years later the car park is still there, looking as permanent as ever.

j-w wrote:
The trouble with these friends of the earth types is that they think they can speak for the whole of the south east whether they live in that part of the county or not.

Broadwaywatch wrote:

mys842 wrote:
I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

By that token should Anna Waite have been on the Southend Council considering she lived in Barling and that comes under Rochford

tws123 wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

tws123 wrote:
Really annoys me why some people always say negative things about THEIR TOWN! You decided to live here so you should support the town, if not then move to somewhere else where no development can take place and stop moaning! Its being so happy that keeps people going in this town it would seem!

I do support the town, I do not suport Southend Council's wholesale bulldozing of Southend's history and heritage. It is because I love Southend that I speak out when SBC plan to bulldoze yet more of it.

Southend Council have consistently lied when it comes to their pet projects. Take York Road Market. The council deliberately allowed it to fall into disrepair so they could build a car park. The council claimed the car park on the site of what was York Road Market would be 'temporary'. Years later the car park is still there, looking as permanent as ever.

SBC are forward thinking and although they did nothing to repair it (ok it wasn't exactly convent garden in the first place but that doesn't mean they should have knocked it down) the council has an idea as to what to use the land for in the future. Anyway by making a car park they plane to build on that area later on once the demand picks up for houses and offices etc (a mixed use development). The point is that this development will not be so much of an eyesore as IT IS built mainly into the cliffs and from the photos i've seen you cannot see it from road at the top so no view is impaired either. It also looks modern and fixes the cliff slip at the same time. It will also replace some of the run down old buildings in the town such as the current museum. Although it looks run down I think they could easily renovate the place (it is an old historic building worth saving), but overall I feel that the council are trying to invest for the future.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Shame on the Council! This area of the seafront is full of entertainment facilities and kiss me quick hats, what on earth does a business centre, a conference centre and a diddy one room museum have in common with that? This site should have been used for something more in keeping with the area and the P of P should have gone into a revised Southend Museum in Priory Park or Vic Avenue. The only reason the Council have agreed with this proposal is that they think it will make more money on the seafront. What about context? Pounds to peanuts the P of P will be moved back to Priory Park one day when the Council realise the seafront chavvies aren't interested in Saxon history.

mys842 wrote:

Broadwaywatch wrote:

mys842 wrote:
I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

By that token should Anna Waite have been on the Southend Council considering she lived in Barling and that comes under Rochford

Yes you can stand wherever you live. You're a representative of the people. Those people, in a democracy, can only vote once, hence the division of land to people. Simple politics.

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

BIRLIS wrote: Max Impact says... 4:28pm Wed 18 Jul 12 Now the task of finding the funding starts, I for one will pay into any subscription (like the Priory park pavers & Queens Bust) that had running. Anyone who donates could have their name on a brass plaque inside the entrance, have diffrent sizes for difrent levels of donation. -------------------- -------------------- --- I like that idea, I would consider donating. Local businesses could also get involved...

That's a great idea. Then we would all know who to blame and which businesses to boycott.

Such a shame you would hold local buisiness with such distane. All they would be doing is help bring a much needed indoor all weather facility to Southend, they would be helping to get the Cliff Gardens open once more so that we could all enjoy a walk in the gardens once more.

So you would not visiot the museum would you use the re-born Cliff Gardens?

Would you go and listen to any bands that might play at a new bandstand if one was put up?

"all weather facility".

So you agree this is NOT a museum, but is, in fact, a business/conference centre and multi-storey car park?

Thank you for confirming Southend Council's lies.

little ray of sunshine wrote:
The majority of Southend people appear to be in favour, so moaners, give up and find something else to keep yourself occupied.

I for one am looking forward to this :)

little ray of sunshine wrote:
The majority of Southend people appear to be in favour, so moaners, give up and find something else to keep yourself occupied.

I for one am looking forward to this :)

little ray of sunshine wrote:
The majority of Southend people appear to be in favour, so moaners, give up and find something else to keep yourself occupied.

I for one am looking forward to this :)

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
Seaside towns that know how to keep the visitors coming:

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http://tourism.brigh

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http://www.bournemou

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http://www.thebestof

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http://www.cornwalls

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http://www.thebestof

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http://www.thisislin

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http://www.great-yar

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All those towns are more popular than Southend. They all have something in common, they've resisted development and cultural vandalism.

pussycats wrote:
Why a Museum? This piece of land has been desolate for YEARS. Why not recreate a re-creation of Never, Never land with Southends History incorporated. Modernisation isn't always the answer. People and tourists want tradition and magic.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote: I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I disagree. For the vast majority of people who live on this peninsula Southend is the major shopping and entertainment centre so what happens in Southend also affects people from Hockley, Hawkwell, Eastwood, Leigh, Hadleigh, Thundersley etc. Granted a few people from the west end of the peninsula prefer to go to Basildon for shopping and entertainment but in my experince very few do that - check a map, Southend is closer than Basildon town centre even for the people of South Benfleet.

pussycats wrote:
Why a Museum? This piece of land has been desolate for YEARS. Why not recreate a re-creation of Never, Never land with Southends History incorporated. Modernisation isn't always the answer. People and tourists want tradition and magic.

mys842 wrote:
I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

southchurch bob wrote:

little ray of sunshine wrote:
The majority of Southend people appear to be in favour, so moaners, give up and find something else to keep yourself occupied.

I for one am looking forward to this :)

who says the majority of people apear to be in favour ? Lets have a demacratic vote from the people of Southend, there is no point in asking our Leaders as only about 14 of them make decisions although we have 51 Is that Democracy ? no we are being conned once again.

southend_Dave wrote:

mys842 wrote:
I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I live in Southend and Im all for redevelopment.

Too long this town has been on the slide and all new redevelopment is welcome by me.

Id be interested in what will be there though, a museum is hardly going to be pulling in the crowds.

j-w wrote:

southend_Dave wrote:

mys842 wrote: I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I live in Southend and Im all for redevelopment. Too long this town has been on the slide and all new redevelopment is welcome by me. Id be interested in what will be there though, a museum is hardly going to be pulling in the crowds.

A Museum, Planetarium, Restaurant. Plans are here> http://publicedrms.s outhend.gov.uk/Plann ing/lg/GFPlanningDoc uments.page?org.apac he.shale.dialog.DIAL OG_NAME=gfplanningse arch&Param=lg.Pl
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j-w wrote:
In fact it seems there are less tories in the DCC than the other parties combined, this easily could have been denied.

Max Impact wrote:

j-w wrote: In fact it seems there are less tories in the DCC than the other parties combined, this easily could have been denied.

Lefty wil not let that FACT get in the way of a rant. Anyone see this on Facebook: Mark Sharp Today was just one more battle in a war that has raged for four years, the fight goes on and WE WILL WIN IN THE END.... The SKIPP Committee I wonders if they will take legal action, I hope not, if so I hope they do not get legal aid, I screwing the tax payer of Southend twice (once for legal aid and again for the Council to defend itself) Blocking this scheme will send out the wrong messages to other investers, a message that Southenders do want want to improve the town, Southenders are not intrested in history, Southenders do not want a major new museum, Southenders would rather have a pile of earth off limits for another ten years. Welcome to nimby-on-sea...

Max Impact wrote:

j-w wrote: In fact it seems there are less tories in the DCC than the other parties combined, this easily could have been denied.

Lefty wil not let that FACT get in the way of a rant. Anyone see this on Facebook: Mark Sharp Today was just one more battle in a war that has raged for four years, the fight goes on and WE WILL WIN IN THE END.... The SKIPP Committee I wonders if they will take legal action, I hope not, if so I hope they do not get legal aid, I screwing the tax payer of Southend twice (once for legal aid and again for the Council to defend itself) Blocking this scheme will send out the wrong messages to other investers, a message that Southenders do want want to improve the town, Southenders are not intrested in history, Southenders do not want a major new museum, Southenders would rather have a pile of earth off limits for another ten years. Welcome to nimby-on-sea...

Max - The Conservatives do actually have a majority on the committee concerned, 9 out of 17 members.

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote: I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I disagree. For the vast majority of people who live on this peninsula Southend is the major shopping and entertainment centre so what happens in Southend also affects people from Hockley, Hawkwell, Eastwood, Leigh, Hadleigh, Thundersley etc. Granted a few people from the west end of the peninsula prefer to go to Basildon for shopping and entertainment but in my experince very few do that - check a map, Southend is closer than Basildon town centre even for the people of South Benfleet.

I have checked and your well out Basildon is a lot closer than Southend to South Benfleet . and a lot quicker to get to when driving. Which also means everybody on Canvey must be too.

j-w wrote:

Max - The Conservatives do actually have a majority on the committee concerned, 9 out of 17 members.

Are you sure? I counted up this morning and it was 9 ind, lab, lib dems. leaving 8 conservatives.

Granny Peddle wrote:
Perhaps it'll send a message that Southenders are fed up with this corrupt council and would rather have a leadership that cares about the town and the people in it than one that pushes through pointless vanity projects at an obscene cost when already hundreds of millions of pounds in debt. Not a nimby, and not part of the anti-everything brigade. I support the airport, I support development, but in the right places. Victoria Avenue would be perfect for the conference centre and it could have a huge hotel to support it. Priory Park would be perfect for the saxon museum. The cliff gardens are not the right place for this monstrosity.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote: I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I disagree. For the vast majority of people who live on this peninsula Southend is the major shopping and entertainment centre so what happens in Southend also affects people from Hockley, Hawkwell, Eastwood, Leigh, Hadleigh, Thundersley etc. Granted a few people from the west end of the peninsula prefer to go to Basildon for shopping and entertainment but in my experince very few do that - check a map, Southend is closer than Basildon town centre even for the people of South Benfleet.

I have checked and your well out Basildon is a lot closer than Southend to South Benfleet . and a lot quicker to get to when driving. Which also means everybody on Canvey must be too.

Then you should go back to school, and check your map again. You may notice I didn't mention Canvey because I know a lot of buses go from Canvey to Basildon and I know they are popular with pensioners, but from the middle of Hadleigh it's 5 miles to Southend town centre and 8 miles to Basildon, from Victoria House Corner in Thundersley it's 5.5 miles to Southend and 7.5 miles to Basildon. It's only by the time you get to Kents Hill Road right in the middle of South Benfleet that the distance is about equal at 6.6 miles to both Southend and Basildon but even so most people I know in S Benfleet still prefer to spend their hard earned in Southend, for which you should be grateful, because the traffic is much easier going to Southend than Basildon. . You say it's much easier to drive to Basildon? Then you clearly don't do that very often as there is no doubt that it is much easier to get in and out of Southend than Basildon. To go to Basildon from any of these places you have to go through Sadlers Farm on the A13, unless you are prepared for a detour miles out of your way on the A127, but Sadlers Farm has always been a huge bottleneck with no way out, wheras there are loads of alternate routes between Castle Point and Southend such as along the seafront route (via Tattersal or Thames Drive) or Blenhim Chase. In practice this means we never ever get held up by traffic jams going to Southend (cos we always know a way round them) whereas you can guarantee we will get stuck in traffic on the A13 if we go to Basildon. That is why even people we know from the far south west corner of South Benfleet always choose to go to Southend rather than Basildon. Why did I have to explain all this to you, it's flamin' obvious if you are a driver. . When Southend put in it's bid for city staus it should really have included all of Hadleigh and Benfleet too (if that was possible which I know it wasn't) because it truth it is all one huge homogenous urban sprawl all the way from Southend to Tarpots, and that's bigger than some UK cities. Also, all our main facilities are in Southend, our Hospital is in Southend (we don't get sent to Basildon), our High Schools are all in Southend (all my family have attended Southend's grammars since the late fifties), the big shops are all in Southend and Southend is the centre of entertainment on the peninsula (nothing like the Cliffs or the Palace anywhere else on the peninsula, ps in case you don't know Basildon is NOT on our peninsula) so before you lot bleat on about the seafront being a decision for Southend just remember that a lot of people who live just outside the SBC area, including me, probably spend a lot more of our time in the middle of Southend than some of you Southend residents do.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 you still don't get it do you? Try checking the other threads on this story, as I said elsewhere Southend may be a pile of crud but it's our pile of crud. And jealous of Hadleigh, Benfleet and Rayleigh? You should be cos we are officially a Low Crime Area, never have problems like friends in Southend who have been mugged and robbed several times. Enjoy.
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Wrong Saxonpride! A business centre, conference centre and a museum may be great for the area but they don't go together, and why three tiny museums anyway, much better to have one decent museum in a better location. Perhaps someone should tell ET there's a bit of prime camping land by the pier, that should put the mockers on it for a decade which will give time to produce more appropriate proposals.

Max Impact wrote:

Granny Peddle wrote:
Perhaps it'll send a message that Southenders are fed up with this corrupt council and would rather have a leadership that cares about the town and the people in it than one that pushes through pointless vanity projects at an obscene cost when already hundreds of millions of pounds in debt. Not a nimby, and not part of the anti-everything brigade. I support the airport, I support development, but in the right places. Victoria Avenue would be perfect for the conference centre and it could have a huge hotel to support it. Priory Park would be perfect for the saxon museum. The cliff gardens are not the right place for this monstrosity.

Please provide everdence of the corrupt council.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
SaxonPride you can drop a diamond in a pile of crud and it's still a pile of crud with a diamond in it. Now if they had allowed the marina proposals to go ahead that would have encouraged all sorts of ancillary businesses, high quality restaurants, chandlers etc, all sorts, which would definitely have improved the seafront, but the P of P is only a roomful of artifacts which won't add any ancillary businesses.
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Max Impact (short for Council apologist) "Self-righteous egotistical hypocritical views of the two projects". You really are a nasty ignorant piece of work aren't you? I have no views on skipps proposals because I haven't seen them. And Priory Park has no parking? Err yes it does and there's lots of room to provide more. Vic Avenue not owned by the Council, then they could buy a bit couldn't they, after all there are only a roomful of artifacts to house. And my "self righteous etc" views? Based on 7 architectural years training and 40 years in practice so put that in your pipe and smoke it whilst you look up the meaning of context.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 you still don't get it do you? Try checking the other threads on this story, as I said elsewhere Southend may be a pile of crud but it's our pile of crud. And jealous of Hadleigh, Benfleet and Rayleigh? You should be cos we are officially a Low Crime Area, never have problems like friends in Southend who have been mugged and robbed several times. Enjoy. . Wrong Saxonpride! A business centre, conference centre and a museum may be great for the area but they don't go together, and why three tiny museums anyway, much better to have one decent museum in a better location. Perhaps someone should tell ET there's a bit of prime camping land by the pier, that should put the mockers on it for a decade which will give time to produce more appropriate proposals.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
SaxonPride you can drop a diamond in a pile of crud and it's still a pile of crud with a diamond in it. Now if they had allowed the marina proposals to go ahead that would have encouraged all sorts of ancillary businesses, high quality restaurants, chandlers etc, all sorts, which would definitely have improved the seafront, but the P of P is only a roomful of artifacts which won't add any ancillary businesses.
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Max Impact (short for Council apologist) "Self-righteous egotistical hypocritical views of the two projects". You really are a nasty ignorant piece of work aren't you? I have no views on skipps proposals because I haven't seen them. And Priory Park has no parking? Err yes it does and there's lots of room to provide more. Vic Avenue not owned by the Council, then they could buy a bit couldn't they, after all there are only a roomful of artifacts to house. And my "self righteous etc" views? Based on 7 architectural years training and 40 years in practice so put that in your pipe and smoke it whilst you look up the meaning of context.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
SaxonPride you can drop a diamond in a pile of crud and it's still a pile of crud with a diamond in it. Now if they had allowed the marina proposals to go ahead that would have encouraged all sorts of ancillary businesses, high quality restaurants, chandlers etc, all sorts, which would definitely have improved the seafront, but the P of P is only a roomful of artifacts which won't add any ancillary businesses. . Max Impact (short for Council apologist) "Self-righteous egotistical hypocritical views of the two projects". You really are a nasty ignorant piece of work aren't you? I have no views on skipps proposals because I haven't seen them. And Priory Park has no parking? Err yes it does and there's lots of room to provide more. Vic Avenue not owned by the Council, then they could buy a bit couldn't they, after all there are only a roomful of artifacts to house. And my "self righteous etc" views? Based on 7 architectural years training and 40 years in practice so put that in your pipe and smoke it whilst you look up the meaning of context.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote: I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I disagree. For the vast majority of people who live on this peninsula Southend is the major shopping and entertainment centre so what happens in Southend also affects people from Hockley, Hawkwell, Eastwood, Leigh, Hadleigh, Thundersley etc. Granted a few people from the west end of the peninsula prefer to go to Basildon for shopping and entertainment but in my experince very few do that - check a map, Southend is closer than Basildon town centre even for the people of South Benfleet.

I have checked and your well out Basildon is a lot closer than Southend to South Benfleet . and a lot quicker to get to when driving. Which also means everybody on Canvey must be too.

Then you should go back to school, and check your map again. You may notice I didn't mention Canvey because I know a lot of buses go from Canvey to Basildon and I know they are popular with pensioners, but from the middle of Hadleigh it's 5 miles to Southend town centre and 8 miles to Basildon, from Victoria House Corner in Thundersley it's 5.5 miles to Southend and 7.5 miles to Basildon. It's only by the time you get to Kents Hill Road right in the middle of South Benfleet that the distance is about equal at 6.6 miles to both Southend and Basildon but even so most people I know in S Benfleet still prefer to spend their hard earned in Southend, for which you should be grateful, because the traffic is much easier going to Southend than Basildon. . You say it's much easier to drive to Basildon? Then you clearly don't do that very often as there is no doubt that it is much easier to get in and out of Southend than Basildon. To go to Basildon from any of these places you have to go through Sadlers Farm on the A13, unless you are prepared for a detour miles out of your way on the A127, but Sadlers Farm has always been a huge bottleneck with no way out, wheras there are loads of alternate routes between Castle Point and Southend such as along the seafront route (via Tattersal or Thames Drive) or Blenhim Chase. In practice this means we never ever get held up by traffic jams going to Southend (cos we always know a way round them) whereas you can guarantee we will get stuck in traffic on the A13 if we go to Basildon. That is why even people we know from the far south west corner of South Benfleet always choose to go to Southend rather than Basildon. Why did I have to explain all this to you, it's flamin' obvious if you are a driver. . When Southend put in it's bid for city staus it should really have included all of Hadleigh and Benfleet too (if that was possible which I know it wasn't) because it truth it is all one huge homogenous urban sprawl all the way from Southend to Tarpots, and that's bigger than some UK cities. Also, all our main facilities are in Southend, our Hospital is in Southend (we don't get sent to Basildon), our High Schools are all in Southend (all my family have attended Southend's grammars since the late fifties), the big shops are all in Southend and Southend is the centre of entertainment on the peninsula (nothing like the Cliffs or the Palace anywhere else on the peninsula, ps in case you don't know Basildon is NOT on our peninsula) so before you lot bleat on about the seafront being a decision for Southend just remember that a lot of people who live just outside the SBC area, including me, probably spend a lot more of our time in the middle of Southend than some of you Southend residents do.

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote: I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I disagree. For the vast majority of people who live on this peninsula Southend is the major shopping and entertainment centre so what happens in Southend also affects people from Hockley, Hawkwell, Eastwood, Leigh, Hadleigh, Thundersley etc. Granted a few people from the west end of the peninsula prefer to go to Basildon for shopping and entertainment but in my experince very few do that - check a map, Southend is closer than Basildon town centre even for the people of South Benfleet.

I have checked and your well out Basildon is a lot closer than Southend to South Benfleet . and a lot quicker to get to when driving. Which also means everybody on Canvey must be too.

Then you should go back to school, and check your map again. You may notice I didn't mention Canvey because I know a lot of buses go from Canvey to Basildon and I know they are popular with pensioners, but from the middle of Hadleigh it's 5 miles to Southend town centre and 8 miles to Basildon, from Victoria House Corner in Thundersley it's 5.5 miles to Southend and 7.5 miles to Basildon. It's only by the time you get to Kents Hill Road right in the middle of South Benfleet that the distance is about equal at 6.6 miles to both Southend and Basildon but even so most people I know in S Benfleet still prefer to spend their hard earned in Southend, for which you should be grateful, because the traffic is much easier going to Southend than Basildon. . You say it's much easier to drive to Basildon? Then you clearly don't do that very often as there is no doubt that it is much easier to get in and out of Southend than Basildon. To go to Basildon from any of these places you have to go through Sadlers Farm on the A13, unless you are prepared for a detour miles out of your way on the A127, but Sadlers Farm has always been a huge bottleneck with no way out, wheras there are loads of alternate routes between Castle Point and Southend such as along the seafront route (via Tattersal or Thames Drive) or Blenhim Chase. In practice this means we never ever get held up by traffic jams going to Southend (cos we always know a way round them) whereas you can guarantee we will get stuck in traffic on the A13 if we go to Basildon. That is why even people we know from the far south west corner of South Benfleet always choose to go to Southend rather than Basildon. Why did I have to explain all this to you, it's flamin' obvious if you are a driver. . When Southend put in it's bid for city staus it should really have included all of Hadleigh and Benfleet too (if that was possible which I know it wasn't) because it truth it is all one huge homogenous urban sprawl all the way from Southend to Tarpots, and that's bigger than some UK cities. Also, all our main facilities are in Southend, our Hospital is in Southend (we don't get sent to Basildon), our High Schools are all in Southend (all my family have attended Southend's grammars since the late fifties), the big shops are all in Southend and Southend is the centre of entertainment on the peninsula (nothing like the Cliffs or the Palace anywhere else on the peninsula, ps in case you don't know Basildon is NOT on our peninsula) so before you lot bleat on about the seafront being a decision for Southend just remember that a lot of people who live just outside the SBC area, including me, probably spend a lot more of our time in the middle of Southend than some of you Southend residents do.

I would suggest you go back and check your figures. AA route finder High Road South Benfleet to Basildon 5.7 miles . South Benfleet to Southend 8.5 miles. This is evident on even the most simple of maps. I feel you must be a member of SAEN this is the sort of argument members of this group would put forward a total lack of of the truth even though its in black and white in front of you. Your argument about Sadlers farm ok I let you have that one while current things are going on but the rest of the time Basildon is quicker. I live in Southend and the roads around it a full of you out of towners go to Basildon where your welcome!

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
SaxonPride you can drop a diamond in a pile of crud and it's still a pile of crud with a diamond in it. Now if they had allowed the marina proposals to go ahead that would have encouraged all sorts of ancillary businesses, high quality restaurants, chandlers etc, all sorts, which would definitely have improved the seafront, but the P of P is only a roomful of artifacts which won't add any ancillary businesses.
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Max Impact (short for Council apologist) "Self-righteous egotistical hypocritical views of the two projects". You really are a nasty ignorant piece of work aren't you? I have no views on skipps proposals because I haven't seen them. And Priory Park has no parking? Err yes it does and there's lots of room to provide more. Vic Avenue not owned by the Council, then they could buy a bit couldn't they, after all there are only a roomful of artifacts to house. And my "self righteous etc" views? Based on 7 architectural years training and 40 years in practice so put that in your pipe and smoke it whilst you look up the meaning of context.

Mrs Conservation wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

j-w wrote: In fact it seems there are less tories in the DCC than the other parties combined, this easily could have been denied.

Lefty wil not let that FACT get in the way of a rant. Anyone see this on Facebook: Mark Sharp Today was just one more battle in a war that has raged for four years, the fight goes on and WE WILL WIN IN THE END.... The SKIPP Committee I wonders if they will take legal action, I hope not, if so I hope they do not get legal aid, I screwing the tax payer of Southend twice (once for legal aid and again for the Council to defend itself) Blocking this scheme will send out the wrong messages to other investers, a message that Southenders do want want to improve the town, Southenders are not intrested in history, Southenders do not want a major new museum, Southenders would rather have a pile of earth off limits for another ten years. Welcome to nimby-on-sea...

Why are you such an angry man Max?
You have told us many times that you are very well paid, very happy and you also know everything?
I would have thought that would make you relaxed and comfortable in your own skin - not quite as cross as you seem.

Bosniavet wrote:
As it appears people are saying my statement that the Conservatives hold a majority on the DCC, here is the breakdown, by party, of members taken from the council webiste - http://www.southend.

gov.uk/downloads/dow

nload/80/membership_

of_committees_and_wo

rking_parties.
Committee 19; Conservatives 9; LibDems 4; Independents 3; Labour 1. Admittedly, it is nearly 30 years since I last had a maths lesson, but 9 was more than 8 when I was at school - therefore there is a Conservative majority of 1 on this committee

j-w wrote:
I really hope this happens. Should be a great addition to the seafront. Not too fussed about the museum but to have a great building like this will really Show the town is always progressing. The improvements in the town since it stagnated in the 80's and 90's have been great.

Granny Peddle wrote:
Perhaps it'll send a message that Southenders are fed up with this corrupt council and would rather have a leadership that cares about the town and the people in it than one that pushes through pointless vanity projects at an obscene cost when already hundreds of millions of pounds in debt.

Not a nimby, and not part of the anti-everything brigade. I support the airport, I support development, but in the right places. Victoria Avenue would be perfect for the conference centre and it could have a huge hotel to support it. Priory Park would be perfect for the saxon museum.

The cliff gardens are not the right place for this monstrosity.

Saxonpride wrote:
Excellent news, I hope they start building soon, so that there's no more protest-inspired delays.

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
Development and Control Committee

Conservative:

B T Kelly (Chairman)
S J Habermel (Vice-Chairman)
P W Ashley
R A H Brown
E A Day
M F Evans
N J Folkard
R E Hadley
G M Horrigan MBE

LibDem:

A Crystall
G Lewin
D F Russell
M R Grimwade

Independent:

A J Delaney
M Assenheim
M Velmurugan

Labour:

M L Borton


I make that nine conservatives to eight others.

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote: I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I disagree. For the vast majority of people who live on this peninsula Southend is the major shopping and entertainment centre so what happens in Southend also affects people from Hockley, Hawkwell, Eastwood, Leigh, Hadleigh, Thundersley etc. Granted a few people from the west end of the peninsula prefer to go to Basildon for shopping and entertainment but in my experince very few do that - check a map, Southend is closer than Basildon town centre even for the people of South Benfleet.

I have checked and your well out Basildon is a lot closer than Southend to South Benfleet . and a lot quicker to get to when driving. Which also means everybody on Canvey must be too.

Then you should go back to school, and check your map again. You may notice I didn't mention Canvey because I know a lot of buses go from Canvey to Basildon and I know they are popular with pensioners, but from the middle of Hadleigh it's 5 miles to Southend town centre and 8 miles to Basildon, from Victoria House Corner in Thundersley it's 5.5 miles to Southend and 7.5 miles to Basildon. It's only by the time you get to Kents Hill Road right in the middle of South Benfleet that the distance is about equal at 6.6 miles to both Southend and Basildon but even so most people I know in S Benfleet still prefer to spend their hard earned in Southend, for which you should be grateful, because the traffic is much easier going to Southend than Basildon. . You say it's much easier to drive to Basildon? Then you clearly don't do that very often as there is no doubt that it is much easier to get in and out of Southend than Basildon. To go to Basildon from any of these places you have to go through Sadlers Farm on the A13, unless you are prepared for a detour miles out of your way on the A127, but Sadlers Farm has always been a huge bottleneck with no way out, wheras there are loads of alternate routes between Castle Point and Southend such as along the seafront route (via Tattersal or Thames Drive) or Blenhim Chase. In practice this means we never ever get held up by traffic jams going to Southend (cos we always know a way round them) whereas you can guarantee we will get stuck in traffic on the A13 if we go to Basildon. That is why even people we know from the far south west corner of South Benfleet always choose to go to Southend rather than Basildon. Why did I have to explain all this to you, it's flamin' obvious if you are a driver. . When Southend put in it's bid for city staus it should really have included all of Hadleigh and Benfleet too (if that was possible which I know it wasn't) because it truth it is all one huge homogenous urban sprawl all the way from Southend to Tarpots, and that's bigger than some UK cities. Also, all our main facilities are in Southend, our Hospital is in Southend (we don't get sent to Basildon), our High Schools are all in Southend (all my family have attended Southend's grammars since the late fifties), the big shops are all in Southend and Southend is the centre of entertainment on the peninsula (nothing like the Cliffs or the Palace anywhere else on the peninsula, ps in case you don't know Basildon is NOT on our peninsula) so before you lot bleat on about the seafront being a decision for Southend just remember that a lot of people who live just outside the SBC area, including me, probably spend a lot more of our time in the middle of Southend than some of you Southend residents do.

I would suggest you go back and check your figures. AA route finder High Road South Benfleet to Basildon 5.7 miles . South Benfleet to Southend 8.5 miles. This is evident on even the most simple of maps. I feel you must be a member of SAEN this is the sort of argument members of this group would put forward a total lack of of the truth even though its in black and white in front of you. Your argument about Sadlers farm ok I let you have that one while current things are going on but the rest of the time Basildon is quicker. I live in Southend and the roads around it a full of you out of towners go to Basildon where your welcome!

j-w wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
Development and Control Committee

Conservative:

B T Kelly (Chairman)
S J Habermel (Vice-Chairman)
P W Ashley
R A H Brown
E A Day
M F Evans
N J Folkard
R E Hadley
G M Horrigan MBE

LibDem:

A Crystall
G Lewin
D F Russell
M R Grimwade

Independent:

A J Delaney
M Assenheim
M Velmurugan

Labour:

M L Borton


I make that nine conservatives to eight others.

I know you have trouble following a thread, but if you read my earlier post and the one by "Ross Kemp" you will see that the information on the council website is out of date. Some of those in your list have not been councillors since May.

j-w wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote: Development and Control Committee Conservative: B T Kelly (Chairman) S J Habermel (Vice-Chairman) P W Ashley R A H Brown E A Day M F Evans N J Folkard R E Hadley G M Horrigan MBE LibDem: A Crystall G Lewin D F Russell M R Grimwade Independent: A J Delaney M Assenheim M Velmurugan Labour: M L Borton I make that nine conservatives to eight others.

I know you have trouble following a thread, but if you read my earlier post and the one by "Ross Kemp" you will see that the information on the council website is out of date. Some of those in your list have not been councillors since May.

southchurch bob wrote:

little ray of sunshine wrote:
The majority of Southend people appear to be in favour, so moaners, give up and find something else to keep yourself occupied.

I for one am looking forward to this :)

who says the majority of people apear to be in favour ? Lets have a demacratic vote from the people of Southend, there is no point in asking our Leaders as only about 14 of them make decisions although we have 51 Is that Democracy ? no we are being conned once again.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote: I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I disagree. For the vast majority of people who live on this peninsula Southend is the major shopping and entertainment centre so what happens in Southend also affects people from Hockley, Hawkwell, Eastwood, Leigh, Hadleigh, Thundersley etc. Granted a few people from the west end of the peninsula prefer to go to Basildon for shopping and entertainment but in my experince very few do that - check a map, Southend is closer than Basildon town centre even for the people of South Benfleet.

I have checked and your well out Basildon is a lot closer than Southend to South Benfleet . and a lot quicker to get to when driving. Which also means everybody on Canvey must be too.

Then you should go back to school, and check your map again. You may notice I didn't mention Canvey because I know a lot of buses go from Canvey to Basildon and I know they are popular with pensioners, but from the middle of Hadleigh it's 5 miles to Southend town centre and 8 miles to Basildon, from Victoria House Corner in Thundersley it's 5.5 miles to Southend and 7.5 miles to Basildon. It's only by the time you get to Kents Hill Road right in the middle of South Benfleet that the distance is about equal at 6.6 miles to both Southend and Basildon but even so most people I know in S Benfleet still prefer to spend their hard earned in Southend, for which you should be grateful, because the traffic is much easier going to Southend than Basildon. . You say it's much easier to drive to Basildon? Then you clearly don't do that very often as there is no doubt that it is much easier to get in and out of Southend than Basildon. To go to Basildon from any of these places you have to go through Sadlers Farm on the A13, unless you are prepared for a detour miles out of your way on the A127, but Sadlers Farm has always been a huge bottleneck with no way out, wheras there are loads of alternate routes between Castle Point and Southend such as along the seafront route (via Tattersal or Thames Drive) or Blenhim Chase. In practice this means we never ever get held up by traffic jams going to Southend (cos we always know a way round them) whereas you can guarantee we will get stuck in traffic on the A13 if we go to Basildon. That is why even people we know from the far south west corner of South Benfleet always choose to go to Southend rather than Basildon. Why did I have to explain all this to you, it's flamin' obvious if you are a driver. . When Southend put in it's bid for city staus it should really have included all of Hadleigh and Benfleet too (if that was possible which I know it wasn't) because it truth it is all one huge homogenous urban sprawl all the way from Southend to Tarpots, and that's bigger than some UK cities. Also, all our main facilities are in Southend, our Hospital is in Southend (we don't get sent to Basildon), our High Schools are all in Southend (all my family have attended Southend's grammars since the late fifties), the big shops are all in Southend and Southend is the centre of entertainment on the peninsula (nothing like the Cliffs or the Palace anywhere else on the peninsula, ps in case you don't know Basildon is NOT on our peninsula) so before you lot bleat on about the seafront being a decision for Southend just remember that a lot of people who live just outside the SBC area, including me, probably spend a lot more of our time in the middle of Southend than some of you Southend residents do.

I would suggest you go back and check your figures. AA route finder High Road South Benfleet to Basildon 5.7 miles . South Benfleet to Southend 8.5 miles. This is evident on even the most simple of maps. I feel you must be a member of SAEN this is the sort of argument members of this group would put forward a total lack of of the truth even though its in black and white in front of you. Your argument about Sadlers farm ok I let you have that one while current things are going on but the rest of the time Basildon is quicker. I live in Southend and the roads around it a full of you out of towners go to Basildon where your welcome!

You are full of it, I have checked the distances and the only way you can get those figures is to measure from the far end of the High Road by Tarpots - in other words the far western limits of Benfleet - and NOT measure all the way to Basildon town centre. Fact! My figures are true, check them yourself if you don't believe me. from the middle of Hadleigh it's 5 miles to Southend town centre and 8 miles to Basildon town centre, from Victoria House Corner in Thundersley it's 5.5 miles to Southend and 7.5 miles to Basildon. It's only by the time you get to Kents Hill Road right in the middle of South Benfleet that the distance is about equal at 6.6 miles to both Southend and Basildon. Check it. You are also talking rubbish about how quick it is to get to Basildon and Southend from CP, It has always taken longer to get to Basildon because of the Sadlers bottleneck and doesn't look like the new layout at Sadlers will help much whereas we never get held up going to Southend cos there's always a way round the traffic, can't do that going to Basildon on a weekend cos there are no alternate routes so you talk with forked tongue. Are you a wanna be Councillor or something, they're all good at playing fast and loose with the truth like you. As I said before we "towners" (as you call us) went to school in Southend, we use Southend hospital, Southend entertainments, shops, everything. Live with it. (and be more truthful next time)

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 the roads are the responsibility of Essex County Council not Castle Point Council so nothing to do with residents of Hadleigh, Benfleet, Rayleigh etc. Like the roads in Southends are so good aren't they. Not. . SaxonPride there have been at least two proposals to build a marina on the foreshore, one of which I was heavily involved in until the client insisted on adding so many extra bits that it started to look like a dogs dinner and I butted out. Having said that the plan was always to build in phases and I suspect it would never have got past phase 1 or 2 anyway which would have been fine, would have really pulled the seafront up by it's bootstraps except that the then Liberal majority on the Council couldn't agree and the project was abandoned. Great shame as this was one of the projects that would have made a huge positive difference to Southend, made us more like Brighton than Margate but they missed their opportunity. Take note R6Keith, I have designed and built quite a lot of Southend, all the better bits of course, which gives me a right to comment on the new proposals. What have you ever done for your town? I have nothing against the current "museum" proposals, have no great problem with a business centre and conference centre on the seafront, it's just the museum room which is not appropriate but who am I to stand in the way of the greedy Councillors who think this will maximise their takings but if they do build it, it's Pounds to peanuts that the P of P will end up being moved somewhere more appropriate one day. Btw Little Ray of Sunshine, how many archaeologists, Historians etc have you asked about the museum part of the proposals, I would bet none.

mys842 wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 the roads are the responsibility of Essex County Council not Castle Point Council so nothing to do with residents of Hadleigh, Benfleet, Rayleigh etc. Like the roads in Southends are so good aren't they. Not. . SaxonPride there have been at least two proposals to build a marina on the foreshore, one of which I was heavily involved in until the client insisted on adding so many extra bits that it started to look like a dogs dinner and I butted out. Having said that the plan was always to build in phases and I suspect it would never have got past phase 1 or 2 anyway which would have been fine, would have really pulled the seafront up by it's bootstraps except that the then Liberal majority on the Council couldn't agree and the project was abandoned. Great shame as this was one of the projects that would have made a huge positive difference to Southend, made us more like Brighton than Margate but they missed their opportunity. Take note R6Keith, I have designed and built quite a lot of Southend, all the better bits of course, which gives me a right to comment on the new proposals. What have you ever done for your town? I have nothing against the current "museum" proposals, have no great problem with a business centre and conference centre on the seafront, it's just the museum room which is not appropriate but who am I to stand in the way of the greedy Councillors who think this will maximise their takings but if they do build it, it's Pounds to peanuts that the P of P will end up being moved somewhere more appropriate one day. Btw Little Ray of Sunshine, how many archaeologists, Historians etc have you asked about the museum part of the proposals, I would bet none.

Haha, you have no idea about politics do you? Southend on Sea is a one tier unitary authority at the same level as Essex County Council. So yes, actually Essex County Council encompasses Castle Point council and sits above it. Areas of importance like transport and education aren't trusted to your council, unlike they are in Southend. And yes, actually the roads are far better in Southend on Sea. You only have to sit in a car and notice the difference when you cross the boundary on the A127, or at any point that it crosses over (Leigh and Hadleigh, Wakering and Shoebury, Barling and Thorpe Bay, Eastwood and Rayleigh, Rochford and Southend). A friend from Surrey actually commented that when we crossed the boundary into Southend life appeared civilised again and not similar to a run-down shanty town. Sums it up really.

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

r6keith wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote: I'd like to know how many actually live in the borough of Southend that are against or for the plans. If you're from say Hadleigh you don't pay SBC council tax and aren't even in the same political region. Therefore you have no right to a democratic representation on the issue. If of course you live here then you do and have every right to express it!

I disagree. For the vast majority of people who live on this peninsula Southend is the major shopping and entertainment centre so what happens in Southend also affects people from Hockley, Hawkwell, Eastwood, Leigh, Hadleigh, Thundersley etc. Granted a few people from the west end of the peninsula prefer to go to Basildon for shopping and entertainment but in my experince very few do that - check a map, Southend is closer than Basildon town centre even for the people of South Benfleet.

I have checked and your well out Basildon is a lot closer than Southend to South Benfleet . and a lot quicker to get to when driving. Which also means everybody on Canvey must be too.

Then you should go back to school, and check your map again. You may notice I didn't mention Canvey because I know a lot of buses go from Canvey to Basildon and I know they are popular with pensioners, but from the middle of Hadleigh it's 5 miles to Southend town centre and 8 miles to Basildon, from Victoria House Corner in Thundersley it's 5.5 miles to Southend and 7.5 miles to Basildon. It's only by the time you get to Kents Hill Road right in the middle of South Benfleet that the distance is about equal at 6.6 miles to both Southend and Basildon but even so most people I know in S Benfleet still prefer to spend their hard earned in Southend, for which you should be grateful, because the traffic is much easier going to Southend than Basildon. . You say it's much easier to drive to Basildon? Then you clearly don't do that very often as there is no doubt that it is much easier to get in and out of Southend than Basildon. To go to Basildon from any of these places you have to go through Sadlers Farm on the A13, unless you are prepared for a detour miles out of your way on the A127, but Sadlers Farm has always been a huge bottleneck with no way out, wheras there are loads of alternate routes between Castle Point and Southend such as along the seafront route (via Tattersal or Thames Drive) or Blenhim Chase. In practice this means we never ever get held up by traffic jams going to Southend (cos we always know a way round them) whereas you can guarantee we will get stuck in traffic on the A13 if we go to Basildon. That is why even people we know from the far south west corner of South Benfleet always choose to go to Southend rather than Basildon. Why did I have to explain all this to you, it's flamin' obvious if you are a driver. . When Southend put in it's bid for city staus it should really have included all of Hadleigh and Benfleet too (if that was possible which I know it wasn't) because it truth it is all one huge homogenous urban sprawl all the way from Southend to Tarpots, and that's bigger than some UK cities. Also, all our main facilities are in Southend, our Hospital is in Southend (we don't get sent to Basildon), our High Schools are all in Southend (all my family have attended Southend's grammars since the late fifties), the big shops are all in Southend and Southend is the centre of entertainment on the peninsula (nothing like the Cliffs or the Palace anywhere else on the peninsula, ps in case you don't know Basildon is NOT on our peninsula) so before you lot bleat on about the seafront being a decision for Southend just remember that a lot of people who live just outside the SBC area, including me, probably spend a lot more of our time in the middle of Southend than some of you Southend residents do.

I would suggest you go back and check your figures. AA route finder High Road South Benfleet to Basildon 5.7 miles . South Benfleet to Southend 8.5 miles. This is evident on even the most simple of maps. I feel you must be a member of SAEN this is the sort of argument members of this group would put forward a total lack of of the truth even though its in black and white in front of you. Your argument about Sadlers farm ok I let you have that one while current things are going on but the rest of the time Basildon is quicker. I live in Southend and the roads around it a full of you out of towners go to Basildon where your welcome!

You are full of it, I have checked the distances and the only way you can get those figures is to measure from the far end of the High Road by Tarpots - in other words the far western limits of Benfleet - and NOT measure all the way to Basildon town centre. Fact! My figures are true, check them yourself if you don't believe me. from the middle of Hadleigh it's 5 miles to Southend town centre and 8 miles to Basildon town centre, from Victoria House Corner in Thundersley it's 5.5 miles to Southend and 7.5 miles to Basildon. It's only by the time you get to Kents Hill Road right in the middle of South Benfleet that the distance is about equal at 6.6 miles to both Southend and Basildon. Check it. You are also talking rubbish about how quick it is to get to Basildon and Southend from CP, It has always taken longer to get to Basildon because of the Sadlers bottleneck and doesn't look like the new layout at Sadlers will help much whereas we never get held up going to Southend cos there's always a way round the traffic, can't do that going to Basildon on a weekend cos there are no alternate routes so you talk with forked tongue. Are you a wanna be Councillor or something, they're all good at playing fast and loose with the truth like you. As I said before we "towners" (as you call us) went to school in Southend, we use Southend hospital, Southend entertainments, shops, everything. Live with it. (and be more truthful next time)

Without any doubt you would stand in the kitchen at partys and argue that black was white.You are talking out of an area when the sun don't shine but worse of all you actually believe your inane inaccurate dribble. Buy a new oddometer for yourself when travelling east it fails to take in the full distance travelled.
Thundersley Grove ! Have you heard of it if not look it up on the map its very close the junction of Kiln road and Kenneth Road.This area is Thundersley . South Benfleet is further from Southend than Thundersley. Straight fight Basildon 5.9 miles or Southend 7.3 miles . Want more Kents Hill Road you claim is equal, its not Basildon 5.6 miles Southend 8.1 miles.
I'm fast and loose with the truth you said , you would not even see the truth if it was planted on the end of you nose ! I called you "out of towners" the meaning of is you dont live in my town !

mys842 wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote: mys842 the roads are the responsibility of Essex County Council not Castle Point Council so nothing to do with residents of Hadleigh, Benfleet, Rayleigh etc. Like the roads in Southends are so good aren't they. Not. . SaxonPride there have been at least two proposals to build a marina on the foreshore, one of which I was heavily involved in until the client insisted on adding so many extra bits that it started to look like a dogs dinner and I butted out. Having said that the plan was always to build in phases and I suspect it would never have got past phase 1 or 2 anyway which would have been fine, would have really pulled the seafront up by it's bootstraps except that the then Liberal majority on the Council couldn't agree and the project was abandoned. Great shame as this was one of the projects that would have made a huge positive difference to Southend, made us more like Brighton than Margate but they missed their opportunity. Take note R6Keith, I have designed and built quite a lot of Southend, all the better bits of course, which gives me a right to comment on the new proposals. What have you ever done for your town? I have nothing against the current "museum" proposals, have no great problem with a business centre and conference centre on the seafront, it's just the museum room which is not appropriate but who am I to stand in the way of the greedy Councillors who think this will maximise their takings but if they do build it, it's Pounds to peanuts that the P of P will end up being moved somewhere more appropriate one day. Btw Little Ray of Sunshine, how many archaeologists, Historians etc have you asked about the museum part of the proposals, I would bet none.

Haha, you have no idea about politics do you? Southend on Sea is a one tier unitary authority at the same level as Essex County Council. So yes, actually Essex County Council encompasses Castle Point council and sits above it. Areas of importance like transport and education aren't trusted to your council, unlike they are in Southend. And yes, actually the roads are far better in Southend on Sea. You only have to sit in a car and notice the difference when you cross the boundary on the A127, or at any point that it crosses over (Leigh and Hadleigh, Wakering and Shoebury, Barling and Thorpe Bay, Eastwood and Rayleigh, Rochford and Southend). A friend from Surrey actually commented that when we crossed the boundary into Southend life appeared civilised again and not similar to a run-down shanty town. Sums it up really.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote: mys842 the roads are the responsibility of Essex County Council not Castle Point Council so nothing to do with residents of Hadleigh, Benfleet, Rayleigh etc. Like the roads in Southends are so good aren't they. Not. . SaxonPride there have been at least two proposals to build a marina on the foreshore, one of which I was heavily involved in until the client insisted on adding so many extra bits that it started to look like a dogs dinner and I butted out. Having said that the plan was always to build in phases and I suspect it would never have got past phase 1 or 2 anyway which would have been fine, would have really pulled the seafront up by it's bootstraps except that the then Liberal majority on the Council couldn't agree and the project was abandoned. Great shame as this was one of the projects that would have made a huge positive difference to Southend, made us more like Brighton than Margate but they missed their opportunity. Take note R6Keith, I have designed and built quite a lot of Southend, all the better bits of course, which gives me a right to comment on the new proposals. What have you ever done for your town? I have nothing against the current "museum" proposals, have no great problem with a business centre and conference centre on the seafront, it's just the museum room which is not appropriate but who am I to stand in the way of the greedy Councillors who think this will maximise their takings but if they do build it, it's Pounds to peanuts that the P of P will end up being moved somewhere more appropriate one day. Btw Little Ray of Sunshine, how many archaeologists, Historians etc have you asked about the museum part of the proposals, I would bet none.

Haha, you have no idea about politics do you? Southend on Sea is a one tier unitary authority at the same level as Essex County Council. So yes, actually Essex County Council encompasses Castle Point council and sits above it. Areas of importance like transport and education aren't trusted to your council, unlike they are in Southend. And yes, actually the roads are far better in Southend on Sea. You only have to sit in a car and notice the difference when you cross the boundary on the A127, or at any point that it crosses over (Leigh and Hadleigh, Wakering and Shoebury, Barling and Thorpe Bay, Eastwood and Rayleigh, Rochford and Southend). A friend from Surrey actually commented that when we crossed the boundary into Southend life appeared civilised again and not similar to a run-down shanty town. Sums it up really.

Oh boy mys842 you really are an imbecile aren't you. Where did I say I don't understand that SBC is a Unitary authority? I was actually deeply involved in politics when that happened you plonker and nothing in my posting contradicts that. As for your measurements, you are talking absolute total nonsense but then if you use the free AA route finder that's what you get, I use an expensive paid-for route finder because I drive all over the country and I use it all the time for both local and long distance journeys. Your figures are total rubbish, and I knew that over fifty years ago when I just qualified for a school bus pass because Hadleigh Church was exactly 5 miles from Vic House Corner. The following figures are spot on correct and yours are NOT. From the middle of Hadleigh it's 5 miles to Southend town centre and 8 miles to Basildon town centre (note all measurements are from town centre to town centre, I didn't cheat like you did), from Victoria House Corner in Thundersley it's 5.5 miles to Southend and 7.5 miles to Basildon. It's only by the time you get to the Kiln Road / Kents Hill Road junction (do you actually know where that is?), which is right in the middle of South Benfleet, that the distance is about equal at 6.6 miles to both Southend and Basildon. Got that? And as for Southend being a beacon of civilisation, what universe are you living in? That is the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard! Are you a Southend Councillor - that would explain everything. I'm not wasting any more time talking to imbeciles like you, I have much better things to do. You should get out more matey. Nanoo nanoo!

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

mys842 wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote: mys842 the roads are the responsibility of Essex County Council not Castle Point Council so nothing to do with residents of Hadleigh, Benfleet, Rayleigh etc. Like the roads in Southends are so good aren't they. Not. . SaxonPride there have been at least two proposals to build a marina on the foreshore, one of which I was heavily involved in until the client insisted on adding so many extra bits that it started to look like a dogs dinner and I butted out. Having said that the plan was always to build in phases and I suspect it would never have got past phase 1 or 2 anyway which would have been fine, would have really pulled the seafront up by it's bootstraps except that the then Liberal majority on the Council couldn't agree and the project was abandoned. Great shame as this was one of the projects that would have made a huge positive difference to Southend, made us more like Brighton than Margate but they missed their opportunity. Take note R6Keith, I have designed and built quite a lot of Southend, all the better bits of course, which gives me a right to comment on the new proposals. What have you ever done for your town? I have nothing against the current "museum" proposals, have no great problem with a business centre and conference centre on the seafront, it's just the museum room which is not appropriate but who am I to stand in the way of the greedy Councillors who think this will maximise their takings but if they do build it, it's Pounds to peanuts that the P of P will end up being moved somewhere more appropriate one day. Btw Little Ray of Sunshine, how many archaeologists, Historians etc have you asked about the museum part of the proposals, I would bet none.

Haha, you have no idea about politics do you? Southend on Sea is a one tier unitary authority at the same level as Essex County Council. So yes, actually Essex County Council encompasses Castle Point council and sits above it. Areas of importance like transport and education aren't trusted to your council, unlike they are in Southend. And yes, actually the roads are far better in Southend on Sea. You only have to sit in a car and notice the difference when you cross the boundary on the A127, or at any point that it crosses over (Leigh and Hadleigh, Wakering and Shoebury, Barling and Thorpe Bay, Eastwood and Rayleigh, Rochford and Southend). A friend from Surrey actually commented that when we crossed the boundary into Southend life appeared civilised again and not similar to a run-down shanty town. Sums it up really.

Oh boy mys842 you really are an imbecile aren't you. Where did I say I don't understand that SBC is a Unitary authority? I was actually deeply involved in politics when that happened you plonker and nothing in my posting contradicts that. As for your measurements, you are talking absolute total nonsense but then if you use the free AA route finder that's what you get, I use an expensive paid-for route finder because I drive all over the country and I use it all the time for both local and long distance journeys. Your figures are total rubbish, and I knew that over fifty years ago when I just qualified for a school bus pass because Hadleigh Church was exactly 5 miles from Vic House Corner. The following figures are spot on correct and yours are NOT. From the middle of Hadleigh it's 5 miles to Southend town centre and 8 miles to Basildon town centre (note all measurements are from town centre to town centre, I didn't cheat like you did), from Victoria House Corner in Thundersley it's 5.5 miles to Southend and 7.5 miles to Basildon. It's only by the time you get to the Kiln Road / Kents Hill Road junction (do you actually know where that is?), which is right in the middle of South Benfleet, that the distance is about equal at 6.6 miles to both Southend and Basildon. Got that? And as for Southend being a beacon of civilisation, what universe are you living in? That is the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard! Are you a Southend Councillor - that would explain everything. I'm not wasting any more time talking to imbeciles like you, I have much better things to do. You should get out more matey. Nanoo nanoo!

jolllyboy wrote:
I predict this scheme will cost a lot more than estimated - when they find just how much water runs under them there cliffs. In the past it was always known as the wettest place to watch the Carnival from.

rhowes wrote:
Interesting to note that the council hope to gain the balance of funding required from "philanthropist
s". How many wealthy people are going to give money for the rape of our cliff gardens? How could they back a plan which was dependent on charity? Unbelievable!

Max Impact wrote:
With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

j-w wrote:
I wouldn't worry about some silly pagans with nothing better to do Max. When have they achieved anything?

Max Impact wrote:
Clear something up for me, a hater of all things SBC (and the museum) is laying the fault of the South Essex Ambulance cuts at the feet of Southend Council...

So when did SBC take over the running of the Ambulance service!

When you get such crazy comments you know its time to back the Cliff Museum plans, and dump protesters back in the skip.

jayman wrote:

Max Impact wrote:
Clear something up for me, a hater of all things SBC (and the museum) is laying the fault of the South Essex Ambulance cuts at the feet of Southend Council...

So when did SBC take over the running of the Ambulance service!

When you get such crazy comments you know its time to back the Cliff Museum plans, and dump protesters back in the skip.

max..

i would instantly rest any ill feeling towards SBC's Tory cabinet.

if of course they came out with at least one sensible, honest, socially just and well balanced policy or decision.

geoffa wrote:
The echo owe the people of Southend an oppertunity to see the names of the councilors who voted for this musseum, we as their paymasters need to vote them out at the next election .
They've alteady voted themselves new offices , salary increases and now £40 million of our money for a musseum that will be no more than an empty conference centre i wonder who the contract will go to !!! I'm sure £40 million plus could be spent on improving the services we currently get

Max Impact wrote:
I was born in the front upstairs bedroom of the house I spent 18 years growing up in, in Devereux Road, I then moved in to my first home of my own a flat in Alexandra Road before buying a house in Mendip Cresent where I live to this day. Mum & Dad still live in the house in Devereux Road, I bought it off them a few years back as they were finding it hard to maintain in their advancing years, my sister is in the flat in Alex Rd, all mortgages have been paid off so they just take care of the bills and council tax, I pay for any repairs to the structure.

Southend enough for ya?

My Mum was born in the same house as I was, my Dad was born in Shoebury. My Gandad in Rochford my nan in Westcliff.

Southend enough for ya?

PS: My three kids were all born in Southend, the forth will be as well, Southend through and through.

Max Impact wrote:
With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

Max Impact wrote:

jayman wrote:

Max Impact wrote:
Clear something up for me, a hater of all things SBC (and the museum) is laying the fault of the South Essex Ambulance cuts at the feet of Southend Council...

So when did SBC take over the running of the Ambulance service!

When you get such crazy comments you know its time to back the Cliff Museum plans, and dump protesters back in the skip.

max..

i would instantly rest any ill feeling towards SBC's Tory cabinet.

if of course they came out with at least one sensible, honest, socially just and well balanced policy or decision.

Food waste collection.

jayman wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

jayman wrote:

Max Impact wrote:
Clear something up for me, a hater of all things SBC (and the museum) is laying the fault of the South Essex Ambulance cuts at the feet of Southend Council...

So when did SBC take over the running of the Ambulance service!

When you get such crazy comments you know its time to back the Cliff Museum plans, and dump protesters back in the skip.

max..

i would instantly rest any ill feeling towards SBC's Tory cabinet.

if of course they came out with at least one sensible, honest, socially just and well balanced policy or decision.

Food waste collection.

nope...

this is a contracted service by a company that specialises in food collection, its also an idea that has been developed by other local authorities..

so the council nicked the idea and got someone else to do it for them..

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

You, Yourself and look who's talking!

;)

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

You, Yourself and look who's talking! ;)

Looks to me the antis have all posted reasoned explanations as to why they don't want this carbuncle built in this location, while you, Max, have simply posted a load of snide personal attacks purely because others don't agree with you. Seems to me if you have to do that then you have lost the argument.

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

You, Yourself and look who's talking! ;)

Looks to me the antis have all posted reasoned explanations as to why they don't want this carbuncle built in this location, while you, Max, have simply posted a load of snide personal attacks purely because others don't agree with you. Seems to me if you have to do that then you have lost the argument.

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

You, Yourself and look who's talking!

;)

Looks to me the antis have all posted reasoned explanations as to why they don't want this carbuncle built in this location, while you, Max, have simply posted a load of snide personal attacks purely because others don't agree with you.

Seems to me if you have to do that then you have lost the argument.

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

You, Yourself and look who's talking! ;)

Looks to me the antis have all posted reasoned explanations as to why they don't want this carbuncle built in this location, while you, Max, have simply posted a load of snide personal attacks purely because others don't agree with you. Seems to me if you have to do that then you have lost the argument.

The Anti's have failed time and time again to come up with another location that would not prove costly to buy.

Lets look at the locations people have said are "better"

Victoria Avenue: Commercial land, owned privatly so the Council would either need to rent the land costly long term, or buy the land when I last looked at Grazing land it was more valuable than pastureland. The plot I looked at with two wooden panel sheds and mains water was valued at £7,300 per acre, the lot next door no water or sheds was valued at £5,850 per acre.

The land in Victoria Avenue will be much much more.

Gasworks Site: The same issue arises with this site, its privately owned, it too will demand a premium to buy, and again the rental for the life of the museum would be high.

Ex-Lookers Site, Priory Crescent: Again it is not owned by the council so again the buy/rent issue arrises, then there is the issue of car parking the looks site would not be beg enoough so a part of the Ekco site would also need to be bought gettin all the land onwers to agree could take time in the end a CPO might be needed.

Finally we come to the worst site:

Priory Park: A non starter,massive parking issues, no coah parking, out of the way, roads clogged (acording to the protesters against cuckoo corner) so why build the museum there! plus its not a viable proposition.

One thing is puzzling supporters of the Priory Park scheme bleat on about the cost of the Cliffs proposal going up but the Priory Park proposal started at £5million and is not over £7million they don't talk about that do they.

Why not say all the things to be included in the Cliffs museum, instead of just say its a conference & business centre.

It will include;

Planetarium
The social history and development of the Southend area.
The overriding influence of the River Thames.
The wildlife and environment of the Thames Estuary.
Beecroft Art Gallery.
Costume gallery.
Touring Exhibitions.
Cliff Gardens reinstated after construction.
Museum store (bringing all the outsourced artefacts back to Southend)

Will the Priory Park proposals have all that...

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

You, Yourself and look who's talking! ;)

Looks to me the antis have all posted reasoned explanations as to why they don't want this carbuncle built in this location, while you, Max, have simply posted a load of snide personal attacks purely because others don't agree with you. Seems to me if you have to do that then you have lost the argument.

The Anti's have failed time and time again to come up with another location that would not prove costly to buy.

Lets look at the locations people have said are "better"

Victoria Avenue: Commercial land, owned privatly so the Council would either need to rent the land costly long term, or buy the land when I last looked at Grazing land it was more valuable than pastureland. The plot I looked at with two wooden panel sheds and mains water was valued at £7,300 per acre, the lot next door no water or sheds was valued at £5,850 per acre.

The land in Victoria Avenue will be much much more.

Gasworks Site: The same issue arises with this site, its privately owned, it too will demand a premium to buy, and again the rental for the life of the museum would be high.

Ex-Lookers Site, Priory Crescent: Again it is not owned by the council so again the buy/rent issue arrises, then there is the issue of car parking the looks site would not be beg enoough so a part of the Ekco site would also need to be bought gettin all the land onwers to agree could take time in the end a CPO might be needed.

Finally we come to the worst site:

Priory Park: A non starter,massive parking issues, no coah parking, out of the way, roads clogged (acording to the protesters against cuckoo corner) so why build the museum there! plus its not a viable proposition.

One thing is puzzling supporters of the Priory Park scheme bleat on about the cost of the Cliffs proposal going up but the Priory Park proposal started at £5million and is not over £7million they don't talk about that do they.

Why not say all the things to be included in the Cliffs museum, instead of just say its a conference & business centre.

It will include;

Planetarium
The social history and development of the Southend area.
The overriding influence of the River Thames.
The wildlife and environment of the Thames Estuary.
Beecroft Art Gallery.
Costume gallery.
Touring Exhibitions.
Cliff Gardens reinstated after construction.
Museum store (bringing all the outsourced artefacts back to Southend)

Will the Priory Park proposals have all that...

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

You, Yourself and look who's talking! ;)

Looks to me the antis have all posted reasoned explanations as to why they don't want this carbuncle built in this location, while you, Max, have simply posted a load of snide personal attacks purely because others don't agree with you. Seems to me if you have to do that then you have lost the argument.

The Anti's have failed time and time again to come up with another location that would not prove costly to buy. Lets look at the locations people have said are "better" Victoria Avenue: Commercial land, owned privatly so the Council would either need to rent the land costly long term, or buy the land when I last looked at Grazing land it was more valuable than pastureland. The plot I looked at with two wooden panel sheds and mains water was valued at £7,300 per acre, the lot next door no water or sheds was valued at £5,850 per acre. The land in Victoria Avenue will be much much more. Gasworks Site: The same issue arises with this site, its privately owned, it too will demand a premium to buy, and again the rental for the life of the museum would be high. Ex-Lookers Site, Priory Crescent: Again it is not owned by the council so again the buy/rent issue arrises, then there is the issue of car parking the looks site would not be beg enoough so a part of the Ekco site would also need to be bought gettin all the land onwers to agree could take time in the end a CPO might be needed. Finally we come to the worst site: Priory Park: A non starter,massive parking issues, no coah parking, out of the way, roads clogged (acording to the protesters against cuckoo corner) so why build the museum there! plus its not a viable proposition. One thing is puzzling supporters of the Priory Park scheme bleat on about the cost of the Cliffs proposal going up but the Priory Park proposal started at £5million and is not over £7million they don't talk about that do they. Why not say all the things to be included in the Cliffs museum, instead of just say its a conference & business centre. It will include; Planetarium The social history and development of the Southend area. The overriding influence of the River Thames. The wildlife and environment of the Thames Estuary. Beecroft Art Gallery. Costume gallery. Touring Exhibitions. Cliff Gardens reinstated after construction. Museum store (bringing all the outsourced artefacts back to Southend) Will the Priory Park proposals have all that...

Why buy more land? We already own a museum in Victoria Avenue. That could be brought up to spec for a lot less than £40million.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

You, Yourself and look who's talking! ;)

Looks to me the antis have all posted reasoned explanations as to why they don't want this carbuncle built in this location, while you, Max, have simply posted a load of snide personal attacks purely because others don't agree with you. Seems to me if you have to do that then you have lost the argument.

The Anti's have failed time and time again to come up with another location that would not prove costly to buy. Lets look at the locations people have said are "better" Victoria Avenue: Commercial land, owned privatly so the Council would either need to rent the land costly long term, or buy the land when I last looked at Grazing land it was more valuable than pastureland. The plot I looked at with two wooden panel sheds and mains water was valued at £7,300 per acre, the lot next door no water or sheds was valued at £5,850 per acre. The land in Victoria Avenue will be much much more. Gasworks Site: The same issue arises with this site, its privately owned, it too will demand a premium to buy, and again the rental for the life of the museum would be high. Ex-Lookers Site, Priory Crescent: Again it is not owned by the council so again the buy/rent issue arrises, then there is the issue of car parking the looks site would not be beg enoough so a part of the Ekco site would also need to be bought gettin all the land onwers to agree could take time in the end a CPO might be needed. Finally we come to the worst site: Priory Park: A non starter,massive parking issues, no coah parking, out of the way, roads clogged (acording to the protesters against cuckoo corner) so why build the museum there! plus its not a viable proposition. One thing is puzzling supporters of the Priory Park scheme bleat on about the cost of the Cliffs proposal going up but the Priory Park proposal started at £5million and is not over £7million they don't talk about that do they. Why not say all the things to be included in the Cliffs museum, instead of just say its a conference & business centre. It will include; Planetarium The social history and development of the Southend area. The overriding influence of the River Thames. The wildlife and environment of the Thames Estuary. Beecroft Art Gallery. Costume gallery. Touring Exhibitions. Cliff Gardens reinstated after construction. Museum store (bringing all the outsourced artefacts back to Southend) Will the Priory Park proposals have all that...

Why buy more land? We already own a museum in Victoria Avenue. That could be brought up to spec for a lot less than £40million.

Hear hear LCT

Broadwaywatch wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

You, Yourself and look who's talking! ;)

Looks to me the antis have all posted reasoned explanations as to why they don't want this carbuncle built in this location, while you, Max, have simply posted a load of snide personal attacks purely because others don't agree with you. Seems to me if you have to do that then you have lost the argument.

The Anti's have failed time and time again to come up with another location that would not prove costly to buy. Lets look at the locations people have said are "better" Victoria Avenue: Commercial land, owned privatly so the Council would either need to rent the land costly long term, or buy the land when I last looked at Grazing land it was more valuable than pastureland. The plot I looked at with two wooden panel sheds and mains water was valued at £7,300 per acre, the lot next door no water or sheds was valued at £5,850 per acre. The land in Victoria Avenue will be much much more. Gasworks Site: The same issue arises with this site, its privately owned, it too will demand a premium to buy, and again the rental for the life of the museum would be high. Ex-Lookers Site, Priory Crescent: Again it is not owned by the council so again the buy/rent issue arrises, then there is the issue of car parking the looks site would not be beg enoough so a part of the Ekco site would also need to be bought gettin all the land onwers to agree could take time in the end a CPO might be needed. Finally we come to the worst site: Priory Park: A non starter,massive parking issues, no coah parking, out of the way, roads clogged (acording to the protesters against cuckoo corner) so why build the museum there! plus its not a viable proposition. One thing is puzzling supporters of the Priory Park scheme bleat on about the cost of the Cliffs proposal going up but the Priory Park proposal started at £5million and is not over £7million they don't talk about that do they. Why not say all the things to be included in the Cliffs museum, instead of just say its a conference & business centre. It will include; Planetarium The social history and development of the Southend area. The overriding influence of the River Thames. The wildlife and environment of the Thames Estuary. Beecroft Art Gallery. Costume gallery. Touring Exhibitions. Cliff Gardens reinstated after construction. Museum store (bringing all the outsourced artefacts back to Southend) Will the Priory Park proposals have all that...

Why buy more land? We already own a museum in Victoria Avenue. That could be brought up to spec for a lot less than £40million.

Hear hear LCT

and again what about the library?.Gut it and construct areas and floors as required for a new museam; but of cause it happen. What in fact is the proposal for the old Library when the new on opens...anyone any idea?

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

You, Yourself and look who's talking! ;)

Looks to me the antis have all posted reasoned explanations as to why they don't want this carbuncle built in this location, while you, Max, have simply posted a load of snide personal attacks purely because others don't agree with you. Seems to me if you have to do that then you have lost the argument.

The Anti's have failed time and time again to come up with another location that would not prove costly to buy. Lets look at the locations people have said are "better" Victoria Avenue: Commercial land, owned privatly so the Council would either need to rent the land costly long term, or buy the land when I last looked at Grazing land it was more valuable than pastureland. The plot I looked at with two wooden panel sheds and mains water was valued at £7,300 per acre, the lot next door no water or sheds was valued at £5,850 per acre. The land in Victoria Avenue will be much much more. Gasworks Site: The same issue arises with this site, its privately owned, it too will demand a premium to buy, and again the rental for the life of the museum would be high. Ex-Lookers Site, Priory Crescent: Again it is not owned by the council so again the buy/rent issue arrises, then there is the issue of car parking the looks site would not be beg enoough so a part of the Ekco site would also need to be bought gettin all the land onwers to agree could take time in the end a CPO might be needed. Finally we come to the worst site: Priory Park: A non starter,massive parking issues, no coah parking, out of the way, roads clogged (acording to the protesters against cuckoo corner) so why build the museum there! plus its not a viable proposition. One thing is puzzling supporters of the Priory Park scheme bleat on about the cost of the Cliffs proposal going up but the Priory Park proposal started at £5million and is not over £7million they don't talk about that do they. Why not say all the things to be included in the Cliffs museum, instead of just say its a conference & business centre. It will include; Planetarium The social history and development of the Southend area. The overriding influence of the River Thames. The wildlife and environment of the Thames Estuary. Beecroft Art Gallery. Costume gallery. Touring Exhibitions. Cliff Gardens reinstated after construction. Museum store (bringing all the outsourced artefacts back to Southend) Will the Priory Park proposals have all that...

Why buy more land? We already own a museum in Victoria Avenue. That could be brought up to spec for a lot less than £40million.

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: With the Anti's all they care about is Me, Myself and I and to hell with you if you disagree with me.

Pot, kettle, etc.

You, Yourself and look who's talking! ;)

Looks to me the antis have all posted reasoned explanations as to why they don't want this carbuncle built in this location, while you, Max, have simply posted a load of snide personal attacks purely because others don't agree with you. Seems to me if you have to do that then you have lost the argument.

The Anti's have failed time and time again to come up with another location that would not prove costly to buy. Lets look at the locations people have said are "better" Victoria Avenue: Commercial land, owned privatly so the Council would either need to rent the land costly long term, or buy the land when I last looked at Grazing land it was more valuable than pastureland. The plot I looked at with two wooden panel sheds and mains water was valued at £7,300 per acre, the lot next door no water or sheds was valued at £5,850 per acre. The land in Victoria Avenue will be much much more. Gasworks Site: The same issue arises with this site, its privately owned, it too will demand a premium to buy, and again the rental for the life of the museum would be high. Ex-Lookers Site, Priory Crescent: Again it is not owned by the council so again the buy/rent issue arrises, then there is the issue of car parking the looks site would not be beg enoough so a part of the Ekco site would also need to be bought gettin all the land onwers to agree could take time in the end a CPO might be needed. Finally we come to the worst site: Priory Park: A non starter,massive parking issues, no coah parking, out of the way, roads clogged (acording to the protesters against cuckoo corner) so why build the museum there! plus its not a viable proposition. One thing is puzzling supporters of the Priory Park scheme bleat on about the cost of the Cliffs proposal going up but the Priory Park proposal started at £5million and is not over £7million they don't talk about that do they. Why not say all the things to be included in the Cliffs museum, instead of just say its a conference & business centre. It will include; Planetarium The social history and development of the Southend area. The overriding influence of the River Thames. The wildlife and environment of the Thames Estuary. Beecroft Art Gallery. Costume gallery. Touring Exhibitions. Cliff Gardens reinstated after construction. Museum store (bringing all the outsourced artefacts back to Southend) Will the Priory Park proposals have all that...

Why buy more land? We already own a museum in Victoria Avenue. That could be brought up to spec for a lot less than £40million.

Why buy more land...

Is that NOT the point I am making all these people saying use the Gasworks site, use Victoria Avenue, Use Lookers, Use Ekco ALL would need to be bought. END OF


The Victora Avenue museum building can not be brought up to the standard needed without ripping it apart in internal structure would need to be taken back to bare bones none of the historic elements would surrive would you support such works, would Skipp!

Max Impact wrote:
So you would support what would be a tory proposal to virtually destroy a listed building?

j-w wrote:
9/11 for a start? Plus you no longer need to rely on footpaths to cross countryside when a perfectly good path runs up cherry orchard way, plus why would you anti's want to use a path next to a "noisy polluting airport"

Broadwaywatch wrote:
Here we are, some of us concerned about loosing green space on the cliffs while in the back door the airport has requested and achieved the blocking up (although at the moment , temporaly) of another open space; that being the delightful footpath No 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. No consultation, just applied and got the permission from ECC.

Max Impact wrote:
FFS stands for For **** Sake

It is a expression of anger or frustration when.

Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that!

Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day...

What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come...

Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated.

Yes or No

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: FFS stands for For **** Sake It is a expression of anger or frustration when. Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that! Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day... What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come... Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated. Yes or No

Actually I have looked at the plans, played all the 'fly-through' videos, and the green space WILL be lost, and will NOT be available for the

Max Impact wrote:
FFS stands for For **** Sake

It is a expression of anger or frustration when.

Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that!

Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day...

What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come...

Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated.

Yes or No

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: FFS stands for For **** Sake It is a expression of anger or frustration when. Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that! Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day... What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come... Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated. Yes or No

Actually I have looked at the plans, played all the 'fly-through' videos, and the green space WILL be lost, and will NOT be available for the

Don't know what fly through video you have been watching but the OFFICAL one by Phil Hepworth (EOH Southend Fly Through) clearly shows paths winding through the site and off in to the distance no fences no walls grass covering much of the building.

You can walk off the prom up the stairs alongside on on to the cliffs, or from Prittlewell Square cross the road and on to the cliffs.

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: FFS stands for For **** Sake It is a expression of anger or frustration when. Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that! Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day... What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come... Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated. Yes or No

Actually I have looked at the plans, played all the 'fly-through' videos, and the green space WILL be lost, and will NOT be available for the

Don't know what fly through video you have been watching but the OFFICAL one by Phil Hepworth (EOH Southend Fly Through) clearly shows paths winding through the site and off in to the distance no fences no walls grass covering much of the building.

You can walk off the prom up the stairs alongside on on to the cliffs, or from Prittlewell Square cross the road and on to the cliffs.

It is the one linked here, on SBC's website:

http://publicedrms.s

outhend.gov.uk/Plann

ing/lg/GFPlanningDoc

uments.page

It's an ugly concrete and glass monstrosity that will forever take away the Cliff gardens from the public.

Broadwaywatch wrote:

Max Impact wrote:
FFS stands for For **** Sake

It is a expression of anger or frustration when.

Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that!

Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day...

What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come...

Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated.

Yes or No

Max ......you seemed to have skipped the bulk of my post part of that being your use of the word freakish......please justify.
Thanking you in advance.

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: FFS stands for For **** Sake It is a expression of anger or frustration when. Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that! Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day... What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come... Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated. Yes or No

Actually I have looked at the plans, played all the 'fly-through' videos, and the green space WILL be lost, and will NOT be available for the

Don't know what fly through video you have been watching but the OFFICAL one by Phil Hepworth (EOH Southend Fly Through) clearly shows paths winding through the site and off in to the distance no fences no walls grass covering much of the building.

You can walk off the prom up the stairs alongside on on to the cliffs, or from Prittlewell Square cross the road and on to the cliffs.

It is the one linked here, on SBC's website:

http://publicedrms.s


outhend.gov.uk/Plann


ing/lg/GFPlanningDoc


uments.page

It's an ugly concrete and glass monstrosity that will forever take away the Cliff gardens from the public.

So are they not paths running across the site?

if not what are they?

what is the green on top of the building?

if it is not grass what is it?

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: FFS stands for For **** Sake It is a expression of anger or frustration when. Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that! Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day... What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come... Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated. Yes or No

Actually I have looked at the plans, played all the 'fly-through' videos, and the green space WILL be lost, and will NOT be available for the

Don't know what fly through video you have been watching but the OFFICAL one by Phil Hepworth (EOH Southend Fly Through) clearly shows paths winding through the site and off in to the distance no fences no walls grass covering much of the building. You can walk off the prom up the stairs alongside on on to the cliffs, or from Prittlewell Square cross the road and on to the cliffs.

It is the one linked here, on SBC's website: http://publicedrms.s outhend.gov.uk/Plann ing/lg/GFPlanningDoc uments.page It's an ugly concrete and glass monstrosity that will forever take away the Cliff gardens from the public.

So are they not paths running across the site? if not what are they? what is the green on top of the building? if it is not grass what is it?

So you think concrete paths where there is now grass is an improvement? You think wasting £40million when the town is in £230million debt is a wise move? You think wasting £40million on a building we don't need, no-one wants, which will forever destroy a natural part of our seafront is a good idea? You think it is a bad idea to instead spend perhaps just £4 to £5million modernising the existing museum? I can only conclude you are a Southend tory councillor. Because no-one else would be so blinkered and reckless with other peoples' money.

j-w wrote:
lefty, you do realise that near the bandstand most of the area was covered in Tarmac/ concrete, not forgetting all the paths that criss cross the whole area. Also it is only a very small part of the cliff gardens are being used. you try to make it sound like they are taking out the cliffs from the The Esplanade to the cliffs pavillion. Even the beloved shelter on the road path is staying. http://goo.gl/maps/T 7Fq http://publicedrms.s outhend.gov.uk/Plann ing/lg/GFPlanningDoc uments.page?Param=lg .Planning&SDescr
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Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: FFS stands for For **** Sake It is a expression of anger or frustration when. Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that! Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day... What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come... Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated. Yes or No

Actually I have looked at the plans, played all the 'fly-through' videos, and the green space WILL be lost, and will NOT be available for the

Don't know what fly through video you have been watching but the OFFICAL one by Phil Hepworth (EOH Southend Fly Through) clearly shows paths winding through the site and off in to the distance no fences no walls grass covering much of the building. You can walk off the prom up the stairs alongside on on to the cliffs, or from Prittlewell Square cross the road and on to the cliffs.

It is the one linked here, on SBC's website: http://publicedrms.s outhend.gov.uk/Plann ing/lg/GFPlanningDoc uments.page It's an ugly concrete and glass monstrosity that will forever take away the Cliff gardens from the public.

So are they not paths running across the site? if not what are they? what is the green on top of the building? if it is not grass what is it?

So you think concrete paths where there is now grass is an improvement? You think wasting £40million when the town is in £230million debt is a wise move? You think wasting £40million on a building we don't need, no-one wants, which will forever destroy a natural part of our seafront is a good idea? You think it is a bad idea to instead spend perhaps just £4 to £5million modernising the existing museum? I can only conclude you are a Southend tory councillor. Because no-one else would be so blinkered and reckless with other peoples' money.

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: FFS stands for For **** Sake It is a expression of anger or frustration when. Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that! Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day... What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come... Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated. Yes or No

Actually I have looked at the plans, played all the 'fly-through' videos, and the green space WILL be lost, and will NOT be available for the

Don't know what fly through video you have been watching but the OFFICAL one by Phil Hepworth (EOH Southend Fly Through) clearly shows paths winding through the site and off in to the distance no fences no walls grass covering much of the building. You can walk off the prom up the stairs alongside on on to the cliffs, or from Prittlewell Square cross the road and on to the cliffs.

It is the one linked here, on SBC's website: http://publicedrms.s outhend.gov.uk/Plann ing/lg/GFPlanningDoc uments.page It's an ugly concrete and glass monstrosity that will forever take away the Cliff gardens from the public.

So are they not paths running across the site? if not what are they? what is the green on top of the building? if it is not grass what is it?

So you think concrete paths where there is now grass is an improvement? You think wasting £40million when the town is in £230million debt is a wise move? You think wasting £40million on a building we don't need, no-one wants, which will forever destroy a natural part of our seafront is a good idea? You think it is a bad idea to instead spend perhaps just £4 to £5million modernising the existing museum? I can only conclude you are a Southend tory councillor. Because no-one else would be so blinkered and reckless with other peoples' money.

How many times do you need telling I do NOT repeat NOT work for SBC in any way shape of form necer have done never will do. I work in the marine industry somehow I don't think SBC will need a hyperbaric welder or somebody that designs marine equipment. Are you a Lib Dem councillor?

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: FFS stands for For **** Sake It is a expression of anger or frustration when. Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that! Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day... What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come... Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated. Yes or No

Actually I have looked at the plans, played all the 'fly-through' videos, and the green space WILL be lost, and will NOT be available for the

Don't know what fly through video you have been watching but the OFFICAL one by Phil Hepworth (EOH Southend Fly Through) clearly shows paths winding through the site and off in to the distance no fences no walls grass covering much of the building. You can walk off the prom up the stairs alongside on on to the cliffs, or from Prittlewell Square cross the road and on to the cliffs.

It is the one linked here, on SBC's website: http://publicedrms.s outhend.gov.uk/Plann ing/lg/GFPlanningDoc uments.page It's an ugly concrete and glass monstrosity that will forever take away the Cliff gardens from the public.

So are they not paths running across the site? if not what are they? what is the green on top of the building? if it is not grass what is it?

So you think concrete paths where there is now grass is an improvement? You think wasting £40million when the town is in £230million debt is a wise move? You think wasting £40million on a building we don't need, no-one wants, which will forever destroy a natural part of our seafront is a good idea? You think it is a bad idea to instead spend perhaps just £4 to £5million modernising the existing museum? I can only conclude you are a Southend tory councillor. Because no-one else would be so blinkered and reckless with other peoples' money.

How many times do you need telling I do NOT repeat NOT work for SBC in any way shape of form necer have done never will do. I work in the marine industry somehow I don't think SBC will need a hyperbaric welder or somebody that designs marine equipment. Are you a Lib Dem councillor?

Pounds to peanuts you're a card carrying member of the Tory party.

Broadwaywatch wrote:
The taxi way first crossed the public footpath some 50 years ago so why block it off now...what has changed? I can't recall any accidents to walkers. The airport was busier back then

Max Impact wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: FFS stands for For **** Sake It is a expression of anger or frustration when. Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that! Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day... What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come... Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated. Yes or No

Actually I have looked at the plans, played all the 'fly-through' videos, and the green space WILL be lost, and will NOT be available for the

Don't know what fly through video you have been watching but the OFFICAL one by Phil Hepworth (EOH Southend Fly Through) clearly shows paths winding through the site and off in to the distance no fences no walls grass covering much of the building. You can walk off the prom up the stairs alongside on on to the cliffs, or from Prittlewell Square cross the road and on to the cliffs.

It is the one linked here, on SBC's website: http://publicedrms.s outhend.gov.uk/Plann ing/lg/GFPlanningDoc uments.page It's an ugly concrete and glass monstrosity that will forever take away the Cliff gardens from the public.

So are they not paths running across the site? if not what are they? what is the green on top of the building? if it is not grass what is it?

So you think concrete paths where there is now grass is an improvement? You think wasting £40million when the town is in £230million debt is a wise move? You think wasting £40million on a building we don't need, no-one wants, which will forever destroy a natural part of our seafront is a good idea? You think it is a bad idea to instead spend perhaps just £4 to £5million modernising the existing museum? I can only conclude you are a Southend tory councillor. Because no-one else would be so blinkered and reckless with other peoples' money.

How many times do you need telling I do NOT repeat NOT work for SBC in any way shape of form necer have done never will do. I work in the marine industry somehow I don't think SBC will need a hyperbaric welder or somebody that designs marine equipment. Are you a Lib Dem councillor?

Pounds to peanuts you're a card carrying member of the Tory party.

Nope not a member of any political party in any way shape or form. Next probing question in to my personal life, what would lie like to know fav food, fav car, fav drink, bank account details, fav bonking possition... Its like the blinking Spanish inquisition! So will you visit the museum if it is built? will you make use of the reinstated Cliff Gardens if the museum is built?

Barry Bas wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

Max Impact wrote: FFS stands for For **** Sake It is a expression of anger or frustration when. Why did I use it because people refuse to admit or believe in the fact that the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated if the museum is built, why those that are against can not understand that part is beyond me its almost as if they do not want to admit there will be very little green space lost, and want people to beleve the entire cliffs will be built over, some people on here are even saying that! Scaremongering for the sake of it, just look at the "fact" bounded about when news of the airport was being extended, "Flights low over your home every five minutes" Now they say 18 flights a day... What sounds more alarmist, what would get more people worring about what was to come... Will you admit acording to the published plans the Cliff Gardens will be reinstated. Yes or No

Actually I have looked at the plans, played all the 'fly-through' videos, and the green space WILL be lost, and will NOT be available for the

Don't know what fly through video you have been watching but the OFFICAL one by Phil Hepworth (EOH Southend Fly Through) clearly shows paths winding through the site and off in to the distance no fences no walls grass covering much of the building. You can walk off the prom up the stairs alongside on on to the cliffs, or from Prittlewell Square cross the road and on to the cliffs.

It is the one linked here, on SBC's website: http://publicedrms.s outhend.gov.uk/Plann ing/lg/GFPlanningDoc uments.page It's an ugly concrete and glass monstrosity that will forever take away the Cliff gardens from the public.

So are they not paths running across the site? if not what are they? what is the green on top of the building? if it is not grass what is it?

So you think concrete paths where there is now grass is an improvement? You think wasting £40million when the town is in £230million debt is a wise move? You think wasting £40million on a building we don't need, no-one wants, which will forever destroy a natural part of our seafront is a good idea? You think it is a bad idea to instead spend perhaps just £4 to £5million modernising the existing museum? I can only conclude you are a Southend tory councillor. Because no-one else would be so blinkered and reckless with other peoples' money.

How many times do you need telling I do NOT repeat NOT work for SBC in any way shape of form necer have done never will do. I work in the marine industry somehow I don't think SBC will need a hyperbaric welder or somebody that designs marine equipment. Are you a Lib Dem councillor?

Pounds to peanuts you're a card carrying member of the Tory party.

Nope not a member of any political party in any way shape or form. Next probing question in to my personal life, what would lie like to know fav food, fav car, fav drink, bank account details, fav bonking possition... Its like the blinking Spanish inquisition! So will you visit the museum if it is built? will you make use of the reinstated Cliff Gardens if the museum is built?

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

rhowes wrote:
This saga will run and run! We have over 100 millionaires in Southend. Sure one them will finance a judicial inquiry into this appalling scheme?

rhowes wrote:
Max wrote: "planning law has not been broken". Are you a lawyer, Max?

rhowes wrote:
Max wrote: "planning law has not been broken". Are you a lawyer, Max?

rhowes wrote:
Max wrote: "planning law has not been broken". Are you a lawyer, Max?