Rubbish woes for caravan park residents (From Echo)

So it's either being stopped for Health & Safety reasons or because of costing. I fail to see how an additional £145 per unit will eliminate the Health & Safety 'risk'.

howironic wrote:
So it's either being stopped for Health & Safety reasons or because of costing. I fail to see how an additional £145 per unit will eliminate the Health & Safety 'risk'.

The council has a duty to collect from a certain central point which it does weekly, and in the past, the caravan site management team has collected from people who cannot make it to the communal bins and taken their rubbish to this central point for them.

It appears that this service is now being stopped by the site management.

The council have therefore offered an option to the site management to pick up from individual properties but as this is private property and there is a cost to the council, this would be charged to the site management/owner and if they decide on this option and to pass the cost on, that is a matter for them.

The 'health and safety' references have nothing to do with the council.

Basildon Council Communications wrote:

howironic wrote:
So it's either being stopped for Health & Safety reasons or because of costing. I fail to see how an additional £145 per unit will eliminate the Health & Safety 'risk'.

The council has a duty to collect from a certain central point which it does weekly, and in the past, the caravan site management team has collected from people who cannot make it to the communal bins and taken their rubbish to this central point for them.

It appears that this service is now being stopped by the site management.

The council have therefore offered an option to the site management to pick up from individual properties but as this is private property and there is a cost to the council, this would be charged to the site management/owner and if they decide on this option and to pass the cost on, that is a matter for them.

The 'health and safety' references have nothing to do with the council.

I don't think howironic was suggesting that the H&S issues are anything to do with the council. I think he/she was merely pointing out that the job could be done without those issues being a problem, it would seem that the site management are simply no longer willing to make the collections which is a shame.

Druggie Scumbag wrote:

Basildon Council Communications wrote:

howironic wrote: So it's either being stopped for Health & Safety reasons or because of costing. I fail to see how an additional £145 per unit will eliminate the Health & Safety 'risk'.

The council has a duty to collect from a certain central point which it does weekly, and in the past, the caravan site management team has collected from people who cannot make it to the communal bins and taken their rubbish to this central point for them. It appears that this service is now being stopped by the site management. The council have therefore offered an option to the site management to pick up from individual properties but as this is private property and there is a cost to the council, this would be charged to the site management/owner and if they decide on this option and to pass the cost on, that is a matter for them. The 'health and safety' references have nothing to do with the council.

I don't think howironic was suggesting that the H&S issues are anything to do with the council. I think he/she was merely pointing out that the job could be done without those issues being a problem, it would seem that the site management are simply no longer willing to make the collections which is a shame.

Apologies, didn't mean for comments to sound defensive if that is how they came across' You are right that it is shame that the service is being stopped by site management.

Was just trying to explain as it is quite a complex issue, and people may not understand why the council should not collect from each individual property.

Basildon Council Communications wrote:

Druggie Scumbag wrote:

Basildon Council Communications wrote:

howironic wrote: So it's either being stopped for Health & Safety reasons or because of costing. I fail to see how an additional £145 per unit will eliminate the Health & Safety 'risk'.

The council has a duty to collect from a certain central point which it does weekly, and in the past, the caravan site management team has collected from people who cannot make it to the communal bins and taken their rubbish to this central point for them. It appears that this service is now being stopped by the site management. The council have therefore offered an option to the site management to pick up from individual properties but as this is private property and there is a cost to the council, this would be charged to the site management/owner and if they decide on this option and to pass the cost on, that is a matter for them. The 'health and safety' references have nothing to do with the council.

I don't think howironic was suggesting that the H&S issues are anything to do with the council. I think he/she was merely pointing out that the job could be done without those issues being a problem, it would seem that the site management are simply no longer willing to make the collections which is a shame.

Apologies, didn't mean for comments to sound defensive if that is how they came across' You are right that it is shame that the service is being stopped by site management. Was just trying to explain as it is quite a complex issue, and people may not understand why the council should not collect from each individual property.

The Echo has quite a bit of trouble reporting simple stories, let alone a story with with complex issues. My comment was solely try to establish why H&S is mentioned in one breath and then costs in another.

How did it work on our 'other' famous caravan park??

Council are just like the police only interested in money .

Ironman wrote:
How did it work on our 'other' famous caravan park??

Notice how the comments are different in regards to this site and the 'other site' ?

All down to ethnicity!

Yet those with the comments would swear on their children it wasn't.

Perhaps they dont even know it is?

As for the question. All individual bins were brought to a central point and then collect from said point afterwards.

Communal bins were likewise dealt when when full by whoever last deposited in them and noticed they needed to be emptied. A community initiative.

Btw, the disgusting and criminal racial abuse on this forum has died away as people have evolved! Lets keep it that was Eh?

"was" = way.

The park are claiming it is a H&S risk to them and their employees, not to the council.
However if these elderly and disabled people are able to get food etc to their vans to produce the rubbish in the first place, then they are able, in my opinion, to take it back to a central point.
It is no different to people who live in houses that are not next to the road side or down very thin cul-de-sacs that have to take their rubbish to the start as the trucks are not able to get down the road, yet all the councils leaflets etc state you have to put your rubbish on your kerb side. In that case, mine would never be collected.
People seem to have nothing better to do than find something to moan and **** about all the time. Its about time they all got off their fat back-sides and did something for themselves for a change.

@ Lastlaugh... who wrote "Btw, the disgusting and criminal racial abuse on this forum has died away as people have evolved! Lets keep it that was Eh?"

I don't recall ever seeing racial abuse of the sort you mention on this site and how exactly have people evolved?

Ironman wrote:
How did it work on our 'other' famous caravan park??

I think they kept it until finally they left, but strangely, they never took it with them.

But there again, they never do.

@ Lastlaugh.. who wrote."Notice how the comments are different in regards to this site and the 'other site' ?

All down to ethnicity! "
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Wrong again..

Much as you would love to use ethnicity as an excuse, the difference is due to this site being legal.

Reply to Woodenspoon:

How dare you state that these people do nothing but moan and should get of their backsides and do something for themselves!

The people living on this site are elderly people, some of which are disabled and will find it nigh on impossible to take their rubbish to a collection point. They have been having their rubbish collected kerbside for many years now - and pay for this service within their ground rent. However, Ms Purcell in her wisdom has decided that for H & S reasons, her groundsmen cannot continue with this service.......so what will she do when an elderly disabled person takes their rubbish to a collection point and falls, injuring herself in the process .........?? These people have paid their taxes and dues all their lives and deserve every bit of help they get - even down so something that may seem trivial to you. My mother is one of them and I personally will continue this fight for as long as is necessary!

Druggie Scumbag wrote:
@ Lastlaugh... who wrote "Btw, the disgusting and criminal racial abuse on this forum has died away as people have evolved! Lets keep it that was Eh?"

I don't recall ever seeing racial abuse of the sort you mention on this site and how exactly have people evolved?

" I don't recall ever seeing racial abuse of the sort you mention"

ALL racial abuse is criminal by definition...thats probably why you are confused!

s for the evolution...that should be obvious if its not then consider it.

Alekhine wrote:
@ Lastlaugh.. who wrote."Notice how the comments are different in regards to this site and the 'other site' ?

All down to ethnicity! "
.

Wrong again..

Much as you would love to use ethnicity as an excuse, the difference is due to this site being legal.

Ah, i understand now! A site being legal means its occupants cannot be racially abused!

The greater part of the 'other site' was and is legal so ill take it, it was the other part of the site (now gone) that was the target.

I am afraid to say that racial abuse / ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with this matter, so please do not bring this into the equation.

This matter is solely to do with financial greed on the part of the owner of the site and her total lack of regard / compassion / respect for the elderly residents on the site on which she owns - for which the residents all pay ground rent.

Lastlaugh... wrote:

Alekhine wrote: @ Lastlaugh.. who wrote."Notice how the comments are different in regards to this site and the 'other site' ? All down to ethnicity! " . Wrong again.. Much as you would love to use ethnicity as an excuse, the difference is due to this site being legal.

Ah, i understand now! A site being legal means its occupants cannot be racially abused! The greater part of the 'other site' was and is legal so ill take it, it was the other part of the site (now gone) that was the target.

You can understand whatever you want to understand. However, you can not expect to develop the largest illegal traveller site in Europe without the locals getting ticked off about it.

I notice on the cannabis string that you are still running with the "law is the law" argument. Why not follow your own advice? Ofcourse, it is much easier to shout racism and cherry pick which laws you want to follow.

crackerstl wrote:
I am afraid to say that racial abuse / ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with this matter, so please do not bring this into the equation.

This matter is solely to do with financial greed on the part of the owner of the site and her total lack of regard / compassion / respect for the elderly residents on the site on which she owns - for which the residents all pay ground rent.

I accept what you are saying. It would seem if they have paid for the service (the bins being collected from the doorstep) then they are entitled to the service or else the contract has been breached. At the very least they would be entitled to reimbursement for the price of the service.

Alekhine wrote:

Lastlaugh... wrote:

Alekhine wrote: @ Lastlaugh.. who wrote."Notice how the comments are different in regards to this site and the 'other site' ? All down to ethnicity! " . Wrong again.. Much as you would love to use ethnicity as an excuse, the difference is due to this site being legal.

Ah, i understand now! A site being legal means its occupants cannot be racially abused! The greater part of the 'other site' was and is legal so ill take it, it was the other part of the site (now gone) that was the target.

You can understand whatever you want to understand. However, you can not expect to develop the largest illegal traveller site in Europe without the locals getting ticked off about it.

I notice on the cannabis string that you are still running with the "law is the law" argument. Why not follow your own advice? Ofcourse, it is much easier to shout racism and cherry pick which laws you want to follow.

Illegal? It wasn't illegal up until a week before the eviction so it wasn't developed illegally! ie developed 2002 illegal 2011!

The drug law is a criminal law...the site was a planning issue. Niether of which provide for criminal acts to be perpetrated in support!

Racial abuse is racism no matter if that simple contention cannot find anchor in your head.

The criminal abuse has stopped which would suggest those committing the criminal abuse have recognised the error of their ways/found religion/or have become rehabilitated...eith
er way good show and lets hope the elderly people in this thread issue get a little consideration shown to them. Im sure you would agree with that!

Comments above notwithstanding I'm a tad bemused at the Basildon Councils comment about extra costs being involved to do a kerbside pick up - would you care to expand on that please as I would have thought any additional costs would be absolutely minimal. The workmen would still have to pick up/throw in truck the same number of bags, the van would still use near enough the same amount of fuel whether stationary or in motion so where do these costs come from?
thanks

Perini - I am soooo glad that someone is seeing sense! Let me explain

The rubbish on this site is placed outside the units by the side of the roads on site. These bags are then collected by the groundsmen in their little trucks and taken to a central collection point for Basildon Council to collect.

The whole point of this argument is that the site owner, Ms Purcell, has decided in her wisdom to inform the residents on site that due to H & S reasons, her groundsmen will not be collecting from each unit and that the residents have to take their rubbish to the central collection point. However.....clearly marked on the back of the ground rent books are instructions to place rubbish bags kerbside for weekly collection!

Correspondence between the residents of the site / Basildon Council / John Baron MP / Ms Purcell has been ongoing for a few months now in an attempt to resolve the situation.

The options given by the site owner were:
1) To place all rubbish at the central collection point per her instruction
2) To pay the sum of £145 IN ADVANCE to the site to cover the additional fees that would be incurred should the Council be instructed to make collections kerbside rather than from the central point. HOWEVER, it transpires that the Council HAVE NOT asked for this payment in advance at all - they are willing to accept the payment weekly / monthly / annually.

This is not the point though. The point is that Ms Purcell is stating that collections are being stopped for H & S reasons......what about the health and safety of a disabled person taking his/her rubbish to a central point......carries a bag to the point, slips on leaves / snow / wet road, bangs his / her head on the road and knocks themselves out?!

Ms Purcell unfortunately is all about money - irrespective of any consequences!

The residents have put up with her on many aspects over a number of years, but they have now had enough and are starting to stand up for themselves - and rightly so!

Lastlaugh... wrote:

Druggie Scumbag wrote:
@ Lastlaugh... who wrote "Btw, the disgusting and criminal racial abuse on this forum has died away as people have evolved! Lets keep it that was Eh?"

I don't recall ever seeing racial abuse of the sort you mention on this site and how exactly have people evolved?

" I don't recall ever seeing racial abuse of the sort you mention"

ALL racial abuse is criminal by definition...thats probably why you are confused!

s for the evolution...that should be obvious if its not then consider it.

Oh, I'm not confused at all. I am however guilty of using the word "racial" when I should not have. Funnily enough, the same sin that you have been guilty of over the months.

If you are not happy Just do what the other caravan park dose, burn it or dump it.

"Illegal? It wasn't illegal up until a week before the eviction so it wasn't developed illegally! ie developed 2002 illegal 2011!"
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So a planning application was processed and approved by Basildon council in 2002 was it? You told me yourself that this was never done. Lack of due process is what makes it illegal from the date of build in 2002. Why can't you understand that?
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The drug law is a criminal law...the site was a planning issue. Niether of which provide for criminal acts to be perpetrated in support!
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Well that explains the lads in the germ suits then.
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Racial abuse is racism no matter if that simple contention cannot find anchor in your head.
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In the abstract yes, but since when have travellers been a different race from white? Where is the science to back your claims? Meantime you have handed out shed loads of abuse yourself, in support of your political aims, at the same time as portraying yourself as the victim.
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The criminal abuse has stopped which would suggest those committing the criminal abuse have recognised the error of their ways/found religion/or have become rehabilitated...eith

er way good show and lets hope the elderly people in this thread issue get a little consideration shown to them. Im sure you would agree with that!
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I agree that the elderly people in this thread issue get a little consideration shown to them.

Bicker and fight is that all you do on here?
Far too much time on you unforfilled life's grow up will you

crackerstl wrote:
Perini - I am soooo glad that someone is seeing sense! Let me explain

The rubbish on this site is placed outside the units by the side of the roads on site. These bags are then collected by the groundsmen in their little trucks and taken to a central collection point for Basildon Council to collect.

The whole point of this argument is that the site owner, Ms Purcell, has decided in her wisdom to inform the residents on site that due to H & S reasons, her groundsmen will not be collecting from each unit and that the residents have to take their rubbish to the central collection point. However.....clearly marked on the back of the ground rent books are instructions to place rubbish bags kerbside for weekly collection!

Correspondence between the residents of the site / Basildon Council / John Baron MP / Ms Purcell has been ongoing for a few months now in an attempt to resolve the situation.

The options given by the site owner were:
1) To place all rubbish at the central collection point per her instruction
2) To pay the sum of £145 IN ADVANCE to the site to cover the additional fees that would be incurred should the Council be instructed to make collections kerbside rather than from the central point. HOWEVER, it transpires that the Council HAVE NOT asked for this payment in advance at all - they are willing to accept the payment weekly / monthly / annually.

This is not the point though. The point is that Ms Purcell is stating that collections are being stopped for H & S reasons......what about the health and safety of a disabled person taking his/her rubbish to a central point......carries a bag to the point, slips on leaves / snow / wet road, bangs his / her head on the road and knocks themselves out?!

Ms Purcell unfortunately is all about money - irrespective of any consequences!

The residents have put up with her on many aspects over a number of years, but they have now had enough and are starting to stand up for themselves - and rightly so!

Challenge the change in the services! Did there have to be consultation before this change was implemented or even agreed?

Druggie Scumbag wrote:

Lastlaugh... wrote:

Druggie Scumbag wrote:
@ Lastlaugh... who wrote "Btw, the disgusting and criminal racial abuse on this forum has died away as people have evolved! Lets keep it that was Eh?"

I don't recall ever seeing racial abuse of the sort you mention on this site and how exactly have people evolved?

" I don't recall ever seeing racial abuse of the sort you mention"

ALL racial abuse is criminal by definition...thats probably why you are confused!

s for the evolution...that should be obvious if its not then consider it.

Oh, I'm not confused at all. I am however guilty of using the word "racial" when I should not have. Funnily enough, the same sin that you have been guilty of over the months.

Groundless accusations, but then drug abuse does make the brain squish. Try concentrate on some advice for these people rather than your 'cloudly' opinion.

Alekhine wrote:
"Illegal? It wasn't illegal up until a week before the eviction so it wasn't developed illegally! ie developed 2002 illegal 2011!"
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So a planning application was processed and approved by Basildon council in 2002 was it? You told me yourself that this was never done. Lack of due process is what makes it illegal from the date of build in 2002. Why can't you understand that?
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The drug law is a criminal law...the site was a planning issue. Niether of which provide for criminal acts to be perpetrated in support!
---
Well that explains the lads in the germ suits then.
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Racial abuse is racism no matter if that simple contention cannot find anchor in your head.
---
In the abstract yes, but since when have travellers been a different race from white? Where is the science to back your claims? Meantime you have handed out shed loads of abuse yourself, in support of your political aims, at the same time as portraying yourself as the victim.
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The criminal abuse has stopped which would suggest those committing the criminal abuse have recognised the error of their ways/found religion/or have become rehabilitated...eith


er way good show and lets hope the elderly people in this thread issue get a little consideration shown to them. Im sure you would agree with that!
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I agree that the elderly people in this thread issue get a little consideration shown to them.

Read a little if you can and try to let the words sink in.. challenging planning decisions or acts is not illegal...ie developing or building..it only becomes ILLEGAL when the court says it is and even then that can be put aside while any appeals to that decision is listed or being dealt with! All avenues were closed and this was finished with 2011

The site was developed in 2002 and became FINALLY illegal in 2011!

I reiterate because you are struggling, drug law is dealing with legality and law..Planning acts and decisions are civil matters not criminal! Getting the picture?

Science Schmience!

Travellers are protected under the Race Relations Acts...which means any abuse aimed at them because of their ethnicity is deemed racial abuse..hey thats how it goes, if you dont like it write to Baron, im sure he will change it for you!

My "abuse" has never been racial but more of personal 'tit for tat' aimed at those who have used racial abuse or slur..anyone else has been treated as they have treated me...fair do's

I have no political aims other than equality and freedom from racial abuse..is that such a bad thing?

Now in regards to the people in the thread..what do you think they should do or might do to ward off this liberty being taken against them?

I've suggested a few things...you have a go.

perini wrote:
Comments above notwithstanding I'm a tad bemused at the Basildon Councils comment about extra costs being involved to do a kerbside pick up - would you care to expand on that please as I would have thought any additional costs would be absolutely minimal. The workmen would still have to pick up/throw in truck the same number of bags, the van would still use near enough the same amount of fuel whether stationary or in motion so where do these costs come from?
thanks

The site is private property so collecting from individual properties would basically be a commercial service that we would be providing which we have to charge the site management for. Have a look at the site on google maps and you will see the size of the area and that the roads are not suitable for our regular refuse trucks due to turning circles etc which would mean we need to send out a smaller lorry or truck to drive around the site to collect the rubbish. This would mean more manpower and associated costs. Also there is obviously a cost in terms of time as it is a substantial site. The site management could get a private company to do this but they would have to pay for that too.

The main point is that we collect the refuse and recycling from an agreed central point which is our duty but anything beyond that is a matter for the site management as it is private property and residents there pay a ground rent etc for their services. We have offered our ideas on an extended service but there is a obviously charge for that to the site management.

Basildon Council Communications wrote:

perini wrote:
Comments above notwithstanding I'm a tad bemused at the Basildon Councils comment about extra costs being involved to do a kerbside pick up - would you care to expand on that please as I would have thought any additional costs would be absolutely minimal. The workmen would still have to pick up/throw in truck the same number of bags, the van would still use near enough the same amount of fuel whether stationary or in motion so where do these costs come from?
thanks

The site is private property so collecting from individual properties would basically be a commercial service that we would be providing which we have to charge the site management for. Have a look at the site on google maps and you will see the size of the area and that the roads are not suitable for our regular refuse trucks due to turning circles etc which would mean we need to send out a smaller lorry or truck to drive around the site to collect the rubbish. This would mean more manpower and associated costs. Also there is obviously a cost in terms of time as it is a substantial site. The site management could get a private company to do this but they would have to pay for that too.

The main point is that we collect the refuse and recycling from an agreed central point which is our duty but anything beyond that is a matter for the site management as it is private property and residents there pay a ground rent etc for their services. We have offered our ideas on an extended service but there is a obviously charge for that to the site management.

Yeah excuse after excuse...these are mainly elderly people, give aid..jobsworth!

Lastlaugh... wrote:

Basildon Council Communications wrote:

perini wrote:
Comments above notwithstanding I'm a tad bemused at the Basildon Councils comment about extra costs being involved to do a kerbside pick up - would you care to expand on that please as I would have thought any additional costs would be absolutely minimal. The workmen would still have to pick up/throw in truck the same number of bags, the van would still use near enough the same amount of fuel whether stationary or in motion so where do these costs come from?
thanks

The site is private property so collecting from individual properties would basically be a commercial service that we would be providing which we have to charge the site management for. Have a look at the site on google maps and you will see the size of the area and that the roads are not suitable for our regular refuse trucks due to turning circles etc which would mean we need to send out a smaller lorry or truck to drive around the site to collect the rubbish. This would mean more manpower and associated costs. Also there is obviously a cost in terms of time as it is a substantial site. The site management could get a private company to do this but they would have to pay for that too.

The main point is that we collect the refuse and recycling from an agreed central point which is our duty but anything beyond that is a matter for the site management as it is private property and residents there pay a ground rent etc for their services. We have offered our ideas on an extended service but there is a obviously charge for that to the site management.

Yeah excuse after excuse...these are mainly elderly people, give aid..jobsworth!

I think the council make a very valid point. If you are that concerned, perhaps you'll take your van down there and "give aid" to the elderly residents. All I would ask is that you restrict your activities around the elderly to the rubbish collection.

Druggie Scumbag wrote:

Lastlaugh... wrote:

Basildon Council Communications wrote:

perini wrote: Comments above notwithstanding I'm a tad bemused at the Basildon Councils comment about extra costs being involved to do a kerbside pick up - would you care to expand on that please as I would have thought any additional costs would be absolutely minimal. The workmen would still have to pick up/throw in truck the same number of bags, the van would still use near enough the same amount of fuel whether stationary or in motion so where do these costs come from? thanks

The site is private property so collecting from individual properties would basically be a commercial service that we would be providing which we have to charge the site management for. Have a look at the site on google maps and you will see the size of the area and that the roads are not suitable for our regular refuse trucks due to turning circles etc which would mean we need to send out a smaller lorry or truck to drive around the site to collect the rubbish. This would mean more manpower and associated costs. Also there is obviously a cost in terms of time as it is a substantial site. The site management could get a private company to do this but they would have to pay for that too. The main point is that we collect the refuse and recycling from an agreed central point which is our duty but anything beyond that is a matter for the site management as it is private property and residents there pay a ground rent etc for their services. We have offered our ideas on an extended service but there is a obviously charge for that to the site management.

Yeah excuse after excuse...these are mainly elderly people, give aid..jobsworth!

I think the council make a very valid point. If you are that concerned, perhaps you'll take your van down there and "give aid" to the elderly residents. All I would ask is that you restrict your activities around the elderly to the rubbish collection.

Have to agree with you - it isn't really a council issue but one of the site management. Personally, if it's part and parcel of your t's & c's I would either seek legal advice or start withholding a relevant proportion of the ground rent. Failing that get them into small claims court for a breach of contract - all IMO of course.

perini wrote:
Comments above notwithstanding I'm a tad bemused at the Basildon Councils comment about extra costs being involved to do a kerbside pick up - would you care to expand on that please as I would have thought any additional costs would be absolutely minimal. The workmen would still have to pick up/throw in truck the same number of bags, the van would still use near enough the same amount of fuel whether stationary or in motion so where do these costs come from? thanks

Maybe the central collecting point is one big bin.and going round the site would take extra time and fuel and even the council have to pay for these, and its a private estate these all influence these things!

Basildon Council Communications wrote:

perini wrote: Comments above notwithstanding I'm a tad bemused at the Basildon Councils comment about extra costs being involved to do a kerbside pick up - would you care to expand on that please as I would have thought any additional costs would be absolutely minimal. The workmen would still have to pick up/throw in truck the same number of bags, the van would still use near enough the same amount of fuel whether stationary or in motion so where do these costs come from? thanks

The site is private property so collecting from individual properties would basically be a commercial service that we would be providing which we have to charge the site management for. Have a look at the site on google maps and you will see the size of the area and that the roads are not suitable for our regular refuse trucks due to turning circles etc which would mean we need to send out a smaller lorry or truck to drive around the site to collect the rubbish. This would mean more manpower and associated costs. Also there is obviously a cost in terms of time as it is a substantial site. The site management could get a private company to do this but they would have to pay for that too. The main point is that we collect the refuse and recycling from an agreed central point which is our duty but anything beyond that is a matter for the site management as it is private property and residents there pay a ground rent etc for their services. We have offered our ideas on an extended service but there is a obviously charge for that to the site management.

Looking at the Council Tax of £1,025.40 which all residents of Dunton Park pay, £724.50 goes to Essex County Council, £88.08 to Essex Police Authority, £44.28 to Essex Fire Authority and £168.54 to Basildon Borough Council. What exactly is this £168.54 used against? As the Park already pays some £28.000 Council Tax from it's residents per year are they then expected to pay an additional £25.000? £53.000 per year for what?

Druggie Scumbag wrote:

Lastlaugh... wrote:

Basildon Council Communications wrote:

perini wrote:
Comments above notwithstanding I'm a tad bemused at the Basildon Councils comment about extra costs being involved to do a kerbside pick up - would you care to expand on that please as I would have thought any additional costs would be absolutely minimal. The workmen would still have to pick up/throw in truck the same number of bags, the van would still use near enough the same amount of fuel whether stationary or in motion so where do these costs come from?
thanks

The site is private property so collecting from individual properties would basically be a commercial service that we would be providing which we have to charge the site management for. Have a look at the site on google maps and you will see the size of the area and that the roads are not suitable for our regular refuse trucks due to turning circles etc which would mean we need to send out a smaller lorry or truck to drive around the site to collect the rubbish. This would mean more manpower and associated costs. Also there is obviously a cost in terms of time as it is a substantial site. The site management could get a private company to do this but they would have to pay for that too.

The main point is that we collect the refuse and recycling from an agreed central point which is our duty but anything beyond that is a matter for the site management as it is private property and residents there pay a ground rent etc for their services. We have offered our ideas on an extended service but there is a obviously charge for that to the site management.

Yeah excuse after excuse...these are mainly elderly people, give aid..jobsworth!

I think the council make a very valid point. If you are that concerned, perhaps you'll take your van down there and "give aid" to the elderly residents. All I would ask is that you restrict your activities around the elderly to the rubbish collection.

A van i dont have. I attempt to help be suggestion...just what is it you're trying to do to help?

perini wrote:

Druggie Scumbag wrote:

Lastlaugh... wrote:

Basildon Council Communications wrote:

perini wrote: Comments above notwithstanding I'm a tad bemused at the Basildon Councils comment about extra costs being involved to do a kerbside pick up - would you care to expand on that please as I would have thought any additional costs would be absolutely minimal. The workmen would still have to pick up/throw in truck the same number of bags, the van would still use near enough the same amount of fuel whether stationary or in motion so where do these costs come from? thanks

The site is private property so collecting from individual properties would basically be a commercial service that we would be providing which we have to charge the site management for. Have a look at the site on google maps and you will see the size of the area and that the roads are not suitable for our regular refuse trucks due to turning circles etc which would mean we need to send out a smaller lorry or truck to drive around the site to collect the rubbish. This would mean more manpower and associated costs. Also there is obviously a cost in terms of time as it is a substantial site. The site management could get a private company to do this but they would have to pay for that too. The main point is that we collect the refuse and recycling from an agreed central point which is our duty but anything beyond that is a matter for the site management as it is private property and residents there pay a ground rent etc for their services. We have offered our ideas on an extended service but there is a obviously charge for that to the site management.

Yeah excuse after excuse...these are mainly elderly people, give aid..jobsworth!

I think the council make a very valid point. If you are that concerned, perhaps you'll take your van down there and "give aid" to the elderly residents. All I would ask is that you restrict your activities around the elderly to the rubbish collection.

Have to agree with you - it isn't really a council issue but one of the site management. Personally, if it's part and parcel of your t's & c's I would either seek legal advice or start withholding a relevant proportion of the ground rent. Failing that get them into small claims court for a breach of contract - all IMO of course.

Strange i stated much the same and got the thumbs down and yet you get thumbs up LOL...now why would that be!

The Rasist scum on here let their psychological flaws rule their 'intelligence'

EliteLady wrote:

Basildon Council Communications wrote:

perini wrote: Comments above notwithstanding I'm a tad bemused at the Basildon Councils comment about extra costs being involved to do a kerbside pick up - would you care to expand on that please as I would have thought any additional costs would be absolutely minimal. The workmen would still have to pick up/throw in truck the same number of bags, the van would still use near enough the same amount of fuel whether stationary or in motion so where do these costs come from? thanks

The site is private property so collecting from individual properties would basically be a commercial service that we would be providing which we have to charge the site management for. Have a look at the site on google maps and you will see the size of the area and that the roads are not suitable for our regular refuse trucks due to turning circles etc which would mean we need to send out a smaller lorry or truck to drive around the site to collect the rubbish. This would mean more manpower and associated costs. Also there is obviously a cost in terms of time as it is a substantial site. The site management could get a private company to do this but they would have to pay for that too. The main point is that we collect the refuse and recycling from an agreed central point which is our duty but anything beyond that is a matter for the site management as it is private property and residents there pay a ground rent etc for their services. We have offered our ideas on an extended service but there is a obviously charge for that to the site management.

Looking at the Council Tax of £1,025.40 which all residents of Dunton Park pay, £724.50 goes to Essex County Council, £88.08 to Essex Police Authority, £44.28 to Essex Fire Authority and £168.54 to Basildon Borough Council. What exactly is this £168.54 used against? As the Park already pays some £28.000 Council Tax from it's residents per year are they then expected to pay an additional £25.000? £53.000 per year for what?

The £168.54 goes towards the refuse collections we already provide to the park along with all other services we provide as a council. Broken down to around £3 a week would seem to be good value for money considering our portion of the council tax provides much more than just bin collections.

As already explained we are not asking the residents for an extra £25k - we have provided some options to the site management for us to provide a service they can no longer provide. If they pass this onto residents we cannot control that.

Could you tell me what service, other than refuse collection, the £168.54 is used for that effects Dunton Park?

I understand that you are not asking the residents for an extra £25 and that you have provided options - options which are not acceptable to the residents. Ms Purcell in her wisdom is the person who has made the decision that the collection service can no longer be provided because of H & S reasons - so where does H & s come into effect if, as stated previously, an elderly person takes his/her rubbish to a collection point and falls, hurting herself badly, after slipping on fallen leaves / snow / ice?? Ms Purcell has absolutely NO consideration for any of the residents - residents that pay towards keeping her company in business! Perhaps she should take a step back and reconsider the whole situation before she is left with an empty site, making no money, as residents sell up and move elsewhere!

EliteLady wrote:
Could you tell me what service, other than refuse collection, the £168.54 is used for that effects Dunton Park?

A good question.. but dont expect an answer!

Lastlaugh... wrote:

EliteLady wrote: Could you tell me what service, other than refuse collection, the £168.54 is used for that effects Dunton Park?

A good question.. but dont expect an answer!

As expected NO ANSWER!