Cyclist suffers broken leg after crash

A CYCLIST was left with a broken leg after he was involved in a crash while riding along a busy main road.

At 7.45am today the man, in his twenties, was in collision with a car in London Road, Westcliff, near to the junction with Hamlet Court Road.

Police stopped Southend-bound traffic and diverted it along Hamlet Court Road while the man was treated by a paramedic and ambulance crew.

He was not taken to hospital in an ambulance but made his own way to A&E at Southend.

The road was reopened just after 8.30am.

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3:48pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong......... Carnabackable

4:05pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Speedysnail says...

His leg can not have been that bad if he made his own way. Bloody long way to hop though lol
His leg can not have been that bad if he made his own way. Bloody long way to hop though lol Speedysnail

5:21pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Eric the Red says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones.
There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway. Eric the Red

5:35pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Sean4u says...

Trouble with the car-driver brigade is they're never in the ambulance.
Trouble with the car-driver brigade is they're never in the ambulance. Sean4u

5:38pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones.
There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Cyclists are all over the place, not giving signals, riding without care, it's a miracle that there isn't many more incidents like this.
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are all over the place, not giving signals, riding without care, it's a miracle that there isn't many more incidents like this. Carnabackable

5:39pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

I always hoot the horn when Im approaching one of these, loons.
I always hoot the horn when Im approaching one of these, loons. Carnabackable

10:25pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far.
There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11.
l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads.
Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case!

l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice.
What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping!

ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic.
l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other.
For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here.

And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there? Almeda11

10:56pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Letmetryagain says...

Of course it has to be said, that many cyclists are also car drivers.
Of course it has to be said, that many cyclists are also car drivers. Letmetryagain

11:20pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Nebs says...

Letmetryagain wrote:
Of course it has to be said, that many cyclists are also car drivers.
Many cyclists are also car drivers, but not many car drivers are also cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]Letmetryagain[/bold] wrote: Of course it has to be said, that many cyclists are also car drivers.[/p][/quote]Many cyclists are also car drivers, but not many car drivers are also cyclists. Nebs

5:45am Thu 3 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far.
There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11.
l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads.
Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case!

l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice.
What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping!

ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic.
l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other.
For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here.

And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths.
In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
[quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents. Carnabackable

5:53am Thu 3 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

Nebs wrote:
Letmetryagain wrote:
Of course it has to be said, that many cyclists are also car drivers.
Many cyclists are also car drivers, but not many car drivers are also cyclists.
So when you see a car user, who also rides a bike, which you wouldn't know, you might congratulate, on the off chance they might also ride a bike.

Yet when you see a cyclist you'd definitely congratulate, as you believe they also drive a car..............
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letmetryagain[/bold] wrote: Of course it has to be said, that many cyclists are also car drivers.[/p][/quote]Many cyclists are also car drivers, but not many car drivers are also cyclists.[/p][/quote]So when you see a car user, who also rides a bike, which you wouldn't know, you might congratulate, on the off chance they might also ride a bike. Yet when you see a cyclist you'd definitely congratulate, as you believe they also drive a car.............. Carnabackable

7:00am Thu 3 Jan 13

Eric the Red says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far.
There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11.
l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads.
Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case!

l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice.
What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping!

ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic.
l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other.
For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here.

And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths.
In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly. Eric the Red

7:22am Thu 3 Jan 13

EssexBoy1956 says...

If only we could find a way of taxing methane rather than CO2.
If only we could find a way of taxing methane rather than CO2. EssexBoy1956

7:55am Thu 3 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far.
There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11.
l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads.
Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case!

l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice.
What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping!

ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic.
l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other.
For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here.

And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths.
In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.
Then use the roads, at your cycling peril, if you want cycle tracks, cyclists must pay for them.
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.[/p][/quote]Then use the roads, at your cycling peril, if you want cycle tracks, cyclists must pay for them. Carnabackable

11:14am Thu 3 Jan 13

troopdogg says...

As a cyclist myself, I feel that if other cyclists are careful, don't jump red lights, indicate clearly when turning, allow plenty of time for drivers to see their signals before moving (eg turning right), have decent lights and bright clothing, then this sort of thing won't happen so much. Likewise, if drivers allow time for other road users to see their signals etc, then less accidents will happen.

Each time something like this happens it is easy to jump to conclusions, but the bottom line is, this was caused by lack of communication between road users, regardless of their chosen method of transport.
As a cyclist myself, I feel that if other cyclists are careful, don't jump red lights, indicate clearly when turning, allow plenty of time for drivers to see their signals before moving (eg turning right), have decent lights and bright clothing, then this sort of thing won't happen so much. Likewise, if drivers allow time for other road users to see their signals etc, then less accidents will happen. Each time something like this happens it is easy to jump to conclusions, but the bottom line is, this was caused by lack of communication between road users, regardless of their chosen method of transport. troopdogg

11:27am Thu 3 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far.
There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11.
l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads.
Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case!

l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice.
What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping!

ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic.
l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other.
For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here.

And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths.
In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
Roads, pavements, and cycle tracks are paid for through general taxation.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]Roads, pavements, and cycle tracks are paid for through general taxation. Shoebury_Cyclist

11:27am Thu 3 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far.
There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11.
l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads.
Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case!

l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice.
What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping!

ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic.
l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other.
For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here.

And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths.
In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.
Then use the roads, at your cycling peril, if you want cycle tracks, cyclists must pay for them.
Cyclist DO pay for them, through general taxation, just like they pay for pavements and roads.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.[/p][/quote]Then use the roads, at your cycling peril, if you want cycle tracks, cyclists must pay for them.[/p][/quote]Cyclist DO pay for them, through general taxation, just like they pay for pavements and roads. Shoebury_Cyclist

11:48am Thu 3 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Anyway, now we've dealt with the usual ignorant knee-jerkers…

I hope the man concerned makes a full and speedy recovery and is back on the road soon.
Anyway, now we've dealt with the usual ignorant knee-jerkers… I hope the man concerned makes a full and speedy recovery and is back on the road soon. Shoebury_Cyclist

12:30pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Anyway, now we've dealt with the usual ignorant knee-jerkers… I hope the man concerned makes a full and speedy recovery and is back on the road soon.
Here here. Well said S_C.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Anyway, now we've dealt with the usual ignorant knee-jerkers… I hope the man concerned makes a full and speedy recovery and is back on the road soon.[/p][/quote]Here here. Well said S_C. Keptquiettillnow

12:39pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Ian Hargreaves says...

WTF! A cyclists has been knocked off his bike and the hatred starts. Calm the **** down, shut up and wish the pooh guy well. There's no need for this.
WTF! A cyclists has been knocked off his bike and the hatred starts. Calm the **** down, shut up and wish the pooh guy well. There's no need for this. Ian Hargreaves

12:39pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Ian Hargreaves says...

ermmm... poor guy, not pooh guy. lol
ermmm... poor guy, not pooh guy. lol Ian Hargreaves

12:53pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Ian P says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.
Then use the roads, at your cycling peril, if you want cycle tracks, cyclists must pay for them.
Cyclist DO pay for them, through general taxation, just like they pay for pavements and roads.
Ah now I understand why so many cyclists ride on the pavements. They are under the misapprehension that as they pay for them they own them. LOL.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.[/p][/quote]Then use the roads, at your cycling peril, if you want cycle tracks, cyclists must pay for them.[/p][/quote]Cyclist DO pay for them, through general taxation, just like they pay for pavements and roads.[/p][/quote]Ah now I understand why so many cyclists ride on the pavements. They are under the misapprehension that as they pay for them they own them. LOL. Ian P

1:20pm Thu 3 Jan 13

joeyjojo says...

He made his own way with a broken leg and a bike. would have thought they could have taken him its not that far in an ambulance but quiet far if on a bike with a broken leg!!!!!
He made his own way with a broken leg and a bike. would have thought they could have taken him its not that far in an ambulance but quiet far if on a bike with a broken leg!!!!! joeyjojo

1:25pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Ian P wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.
Then use the roads, at your cycling peril, if you want cycle tracks, cyclists must pay for them.
Cyclist DO pay for them, through general taxation, just like they pay for pavements and roads.
Ah now I understand why so many cyclists ride on the pavements. They are under the misapprehension that as they pay for them they own them. LOL.
Then what are the millions of drivers thinking who park on pavements, yellow lines, verges, cycle tracks..?
[quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.[/p][/quote]Then use the roads, at your cycling peril, if you want cycle tracks, cyclists must pay for them.[/p][/quote]Cyclist DO pay for them, through general taxation, just like they pay for pavements and roads.[/p][/quote]Ah now I understand why so many cyclists ride on the pavements. They are under the misapprehension that as they pay for them they own them. LOL.[/p][/quote]Then what are the millions of drivers thinking who park on pavements, yellow lines, verges, cycle tracks..? Shoebury_Cyclist

4:16pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Jose El Mezclador says...

There’s good and bad in both car drivers and cyclists

What I will say is that all cyclists will have their adrenalin levels raised due to the physical exertion.

For some, raised adrenalin level shows itself in aggressive actions. I know and I’m a good (bad?) example because on a bike it takes vey little for a careless car driver to get the F & C words from me, something I rarely do in my everyday life

Truth is that car and bicycles don’t mix and never will now. Were not in the 1950’s you know

And a word of warning for you cosy car drivers. If you get into an altercation with a cyclist with his “race face” on, stay in the car or you’re asking for trouble because he’s already fired up before you get started
There’s good and bad in both car drivers and cyclists What I will say is that all cyclists will have their adrenalin levels raised due to the physical exertion. For some, raised adrenalin level shows itself in aggressive actions. I know and I’m a good (bad?) example because on a bike it takes vey little for a careless car driver to get the F & C words from me, something I rarely do in my everyday life Truth is that car and bicycles don’t mix and never will now. Were not in the 1950’s you know And a word of warning for you cosy car drivers. If you get into an altercation with a cyclist with his “race face” on, stay in the car or you’re asking for trouble because he’s already fired up before you get started Jose El Mezclador

5:22pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Ian Hargreaves says...

JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads".
JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads". Ian Hargreaves

5:31pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Ian Hargreaves wrote:
JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads".
There is no 'war on Britain's roads'.
[quote][p][bold]Ian Hargreaves[/bold] wrote: JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads".[/p][/quote]There is no 'war on Britain's roads'. Shoebury_Cyclist

7:19pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
They don`t pay licence fees in Europe and l don`t see why they should here. Car drivers do because their vehicles are bigger, and gas guzzlers,also pollute the atmosphere, a threat to the environment, and also car drivers have the convenience of speed and comfort, also keeping out the elements of wind and rain.
Also, the constant use of cars, vans, lorries ect damages the surface of the roads, wheras cyclists wheels do not, cycling also keeps people a lot healthier than driving, therefore cutting expenditure by the nhs, some of these car drivers use their cars for a journey of just a quarter of a mile, absolutely ridiculous, unless there is a good reason for it a walk, or a cycle ride would do thier health a lot more good!
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]They don`t pay licence fees in Europe and l don`t see why they should here. Car drivers do because their vehicles are bigger, and gas guzzlers,also pollute the atmosphere, a threat to the environment, and also car drivers have the convenience of speed and comfort, also keeping out the elements of wind and rain. Also, the constant use of cars, vans, lorries ect damages the surface of the roads, wheras cyclists wheels do not, cycling also keeps people a lot healthier than driving, therefore cutting expenditure by the nhs, some of these car drivers use their cars for a journey of just a quarter of a mile, absolutely ridiculous, unless there is a good reason for it a walk, or a cycle ride would do thier health a lot more good! Almeda11

7:35pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.
Then use the roads, at your cycling peril, if you want cycle tracks, cyclists must pay for them.
" Cycle tracks" ARE PART OF THE ROAD OR PAVEMENT ALREADY!!

And, as Eric the Red said :

"Cyclist DO pay for them, through general taxation, just like they pay for pavements and roads"

As much as anything this is about ATTITUDES, and unfortunately in the uk, as opposed to Europe, everything is a battle, people take things far too personally,and/or want to score points, just like on the blogs.
l find that kind of behaviour rather sad and very immature, life is always a lot better and easier when people co operate with each other, l see far too many in the uk who really need to grow up!
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists - who are sometimes branded as 'tax dodgers' - would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police cars, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.[/p][/quote]Then use the roads, at your cycling peril, if you want cycle tracks, cyclists must pay for them.[/p][/quote]" Cycle tracks" ARE PART OF THE ROAD OR PAVEMENT ALREADY!! And, as Eric the Red said : "Cyclist DO pay for them, through general taxation, just like they pay for pavements and roads" As much as anything this is about ATTITUDES, and unfortunately in the uk, as opposed to Europe, everything is a battle, people take things far too personally,and/or want to score points, just like on the blogs. l find that kind of behaviour rather sad and very immature, life is always a lot better and easier when people co operate with each other, l see far too many in the uk who really need to grow up! Almeda11

7:39pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Carnabackable wrote:
I always hoot the horn when Im approaching one of these, loons.
WHY? If they`re riding sensibly why do it? lf you did that to me when l was riding in a safe manner, l`d think YOU were the loon! And if that`s how you normally behave l`m not surprised you get a bad response --- because you provoke one!!
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: I always hoot the horn when Im approaching one of these, loons.[/p][/quote]WHY? If they`re riding sensibly why do it? lf you did that to me when l was riding in a safe manner, l`d think YOU were the loon! And if that`s how you normally behave l`m not surprised you get a bad response --- because you provoke one!! Almeda11

7:43pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Nebs wrote:
Letmetryagain wrote: Of course it has to be said, that many cyclists are also car drivers.
Many cyclists are also car drivers, but not many car drivers are also cyclists.
So when you see a car user, who also rides a bike, which you wouldn't know, you might congratulate, on the off chance they might also ride a bike. Yet when you see a cyclist you'd definitely congratulate, as you believe they also drive a car..............
l wouldn`t congratulate anyone, especially based on your ASSUMPTIONS. lt`s THEIR choice whether they drive a car, cycle or do both, and no one else`s business!!
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letmetryagain[/bold] wrote: Of course it has to be said, that many cyclists are also car drivers.[/p][/quote]Many cyclists are also car drivers, but not many car drivers are also cyclists.[/p][/quote]So when you see a car user, who also rides a bike, which you wouldn't know, you might congratulate, on the off chance they might also ride a bike. Yet when you see a cyclist you'd definitely congratulate, as you believe they also drive a car..............[/p][/quote]l wouldn`t congratulate anyone, especially based on your ASSUMPTIONS. lt`s THEIR choice whether they drive a car, cycle or do both, and no one else`s business!! Almeda11

7:49pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Ian Hargreaves wrote: JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads".
There is no 'war on Britain's roads'.
Road rage? lt happens far too frequently, a lot more than it used to, in line with more aggression and defensive people in general in the uk, very sad but true.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian Hargreaves[/bold] wrote: JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads".[/p][/quote]There is no 'war on Britain's roads'.[/p][/quote]Road rage? lt happens far too frequently, a lot more than it used to, in line with more aggression and defensive people in general in the uk, very sad but true. Almeda11

8:41pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Ian Hargreaves wrote:
JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads".
Bu that`s the whole point, it is often because of ATTITUDES, on both sides, that these accidents happen, they are the CAUSES and shouldn`t be simply swept under the carpet. Address them and the behaviour might change. Result ; fewer accidents.
And of course people wish the cyclist well !
[quote][p][bold]Ian Hargreaves[/bold] wrote: JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads".[/p][/quote]Bu that`s the whole point, it is often because of ATTITUDES, on both sides, that these accidents happen, they are the CAUSES and shouldn`t be simply swept under the carpet. Address them and the behaviour might change. Result ; fewer accidents. And of course people wish the cyclist well ! Almeda11

11:45pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

I can't the idiots who ride on the pavements, it's against the law, and dangerous, but being a cyclist, they can never do wrong........
I can't the idiots who ride on the pavements, it's against the law, and dangerous, but being a cyclist, they can never do wrong........ Carnabackable

2:01am Fri 4 Jan 13

pendulum says...

I never understand the "pay tax" comments. There is no tax to pay. It's like me telling you to "pay a tax for your blonde hair" or "pay a tax for being male". These taxes don't exist so they cannot be paid, and as the government wishes to encourage cycling, they will not exist in the forseeable future. It is therefore best that those who say such silly things should begin to accept the rights of cyclists to be on the road, as I always have as a car driver myself...
I never understand the "pay tax" comments. There is no tax to pay. It's like me telling you to "pay a tax for your blonde hair" or "pay a tax for being male". These taxes don't exist so they cannot be paid, and as the government wishes to encourage cycling, they will not exist in the forseeable future. It is therefore best that those who say such silly things should begin to accept the rights of cyclists to be on the road, as I always have as a car driver myself... pendulum

6:46am Fri 4 Jan 13

Eric the Red says...

Are we REALLY going to have this performance every time a news article appears on here about cycling/cyclists?
Are we REALLY going to have this performance every time a news article appears on here about cycling/cyclists? Eric the Red

9:24am Fri 4 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Almeda11 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Ian Hargreaves wrote: JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads".
There is no 'war on Britain's roads'.
Road rage? lt happens far too frequently, a lot more than it used to, in line with more aggression and defensive people in general in the uk, very sad but true.
I was referring to the 'us vs them' attitude displayed by many here. There is no 'war on Britain's roads', regardless of media attempts to create one with sensationalist headlines and TV programmes.
[quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian Hargreaves[/bold] wrote: JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads".[/p][/quote]There is no 'war on Britain's roads'.[/p][/quote]Road rage? lt happens far too frequently, a lot more than it used to, in line with more aggression and defensive people in general in the uk, very sad but true.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the 'us vs them' attitude displayed by many here. There is no 'war on Britain's roads', regardless of media attempts to create one with sensationalist headlines and TV programmes. Shoebury_Cyclist

11:28am Fri 4 Jan 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles
I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles Keptquiettillnow

11:42am Fri 4 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Things will be better once we have blanket 20mph limits in all urban areas.
Things will be better once we have blanket 20mph limits in all urban areas. Shoebury_Cyclist

12:38pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Ian Hargreaves wrote: JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads".
There is no 'war on Britain's roads'.
Road rage? lt happens far too frequently, a lot more than it used to, in line with more aggression and defensive people in general in the uk, very sad but true.
I was referring to the 'us vs them' attitude displayed by many here. There is no 'war on Britain's roads', regardless of media attempts to create one with sensationalist headlines and TV programmes.
l see your point shoebury cyclist, but the " us and them" attitude displayed on here is a true reflection of the " us and them" attitude on the roads, and going by the many negative comments towards cyclists by car drivers , ir their perspective, WHEN they are in their cars, it`s not a good thing.
People on the continent co operate more with each other, and both cyclist and car drivers obey the rules of the road, there is much more mutual respect, something that is in very short supply here!!
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian Hargreaves[/bold] wrote: JEEZUS! STFU, you all. This is a report about a cyclist with a broken leg, not a debate on the whole "War on Brittain's Roads".[/p][/quote]There is no 'war on Britain's roads'.[/p][/quote]Road rage? lt happens far too frequently, a lot more than it used to, in line with more aggression and defensive people in general in the uk, very sad but true.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the 'us vs them' attitude displayed by many here. There is no 'war on Britain's roads', regardless of media attempts to create one with sensationalist headlines and TV programmes.[/p][/quote]l see your point shoebury cyclist, but the " us and them" attitude displayed on here is a true reflection of the " us and them" attitude on the roads, and going by the many negative comments towards cyclists by car drivers , ir their perspective, WHEN they are in their cars, it`s not a good thing. People on the continent co operate more with each other, and both cyclist and car drivers obey the rules of the road, there is much more mutual respect, something that is in very short supply here!! Almeda11

12:48pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

troopdogg wrote:
As a cyclist myself, I feel that if other cyclists are careful, don't jump red lights, indicate clearly when turning, allow plenty of time for drivers to see their signals before moving (eg turning right), have decent lights and bright clothing, then this sort of thing won't happen so much. Likewise, if drivers allow time for other road users to see their signals etc, then less accidents will happen. Each time something like this happens it is easy to jump to conclusions, but the bottom line is, this was caused by lack of communication between road users, regardless of their chosen method of transport.
As a cyclist myself l agree 100% with you. Lack of communication is often, if not always, the cause of misunderstandings and assumptions, be it on the road, or in our personal relationships. And a calm attitude and respect is always favourable.
[quote][p][bold]troopdogg[/bold] wrote: As a cyclist myself, I feel that if other cyclists are careful, don't jump red lights, indicate clearly when turning, allow plenty of time for drivers to see their signals before moving (eg turning right), have decent lights and bright clothing, then this sort of thing won't happen so much. Likewise, if drivers allow time for other road users to see their signals etc, then less accidents will happen. Each time something like this happens it is easy to jump to conclusions, but the bottom line is, this was caused by lack of communication between road users, regardless of their chosen method of transport.[/p][/quote]As a cyclist myself l agree 100% with you. Lack of communication is often, if not always, the cause of misunderstandings and assumptions, be it on the road, or in our personal relationships. And a calm attitude and respect is always favourable. Almeda11

3:45pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Eric the Red says...

I have a theory. In the Bad Old Days, it was ‘alright’ to hate blacks, Jews, gays etc. and make them a scapegoat. Now in PC Britain, this is unacceptable – so new hate groups are required – cue cyclists. I’m the same person whether I’m on one of my six bikes or driving one of my two cars……….. aren’t I?
I have a theory. In the Bad Old Days, it was ‘alright’ to hate blacks, Jews, gays etc. and make them a scapegoat. Now in PC Britain, this is unacceptable – so new hate groups are required – cue cyclists. I’m the same person whether I’m on one of my six bikes or driving one of my two cars……….. aren’t I? Eric the Red

3:57pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Eric the Red wrote:
I have a theory. In the Bad Old Days, it was ‘alright’ to hate blacks, Jews, gays etc. and make them a scapegoat. Now in PC Britain, this is unacceptable – so new hate groups are required – cue cyclists. I’m the same person whether I’m on one of my six bikes or driving one of my two cars……….. aren’t I?
There are psychological studies ongoing into this irrational hatred of cyclists:

http://quickrelease.
tv/?p=1763

Even the president of the AA has made comment on it:

http://road.cc/conte
nt/news/70594-abuse-
cyclists-almost-raci
al-discrimination”
-claims-aa-president
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: I have a theory. In the Bad Old Days, it was ‘alright’ to hate blacks, Jews, gays etc. and make them a scapegoat. Now in PC Britain, this is unacceptable – so new hate groups are required – cue cyclists. I’m the same person whether I’m on one of my six bikes or driving one of my two cars……….. aren’t I?[/p][/quote]There are psychological studies ongoing into this irrational hatred of cyclists: http://quickrelease. tv/?p=1763 Even the president of the AA has made comment on it: http://road.cc/conte nt/news/70594-abuse- cyclists-almost-raci al-discrimination” -claims-aa-president Shoebury_Cyclist

10:04pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles
So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies!
[quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles[/p][/quote]So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies! Almeda11

10:17pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Eric the Red wrote:
I have a theory. In the Bad Old Days, it was ‘alright’ to hate blacks, Jews, gays etc. and make them a scapegoat. Now in PC Britain, this is unacceptable – so new hate groups are required – cue cyclists. I’m the same person whether I’m on one of my six bikes or driving one of my two cars……….. aren’t I?
You are! --- but they only see THE BIKE!! and l also think it is a " class thing" this could only happen here, and it`s ridiculous and pathetic, l think some in cars believe that no cyclist can afford a car, just shows you the mentality at work here though, not to mention the spitefulness some drivers display. l think it would be a good idea to psychologically test all drivers, in a subtle way, to find out their real feelings towards cyclists, it`s as if they are 2 different people, one in the car and another on the bike!
Anyway, Happy New Year to you.
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: I have a theory. In the Bad Old Days, it was ‘alright’ to hate blacks, Jews, gays etc. and make them a scapegoat. Now in PC Britain, this is unacceptable – so new hate groups are required – cue cyclists. I’m the same person whether I’m on one of my six bikes or driving one of my two cars……….. aren’t I?[/p][/quote]You are! --- but they only see THE BIKE!! and l also think it is a " class thing" this could only happen here, and it`s ridiculous and pathetic, l think some in cars believe that no cyclist can afford a car, just shows you the mentality at work here though, not to mention the spitefulness some drivers display. l think it would be a good idea to psychologically test all drivers, in a subtle way, to find out their real feelings towards cyclists, it`s as if they are 2 different people, one in the car and another on the bike! Anyway, Happy New Year to you. Almeda11

11:21pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Almeda11 wrote:
Keptquiettillnow wrote:
I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles
So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies!
I doubt they are. I see cars on pavements in every street.
[quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles[/p][/quote]So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies![/p][/quote]I doubt they are. I see cars on pavements in every street. Shoebury_Cyclist

10:56am Sat 5 Jan 13

bazza 1 says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones.
There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Cyclists are all over the place, not giving signals, riding without care, it's a miracle that there isn't many more incidents like this.
I drive a car and ride a bike, and both means of transport sometimes have idiots in control. The difference is, the bike rider always comes off worse in an accident. I have lost count of the number of times I have nearly been killed by an idiot driving in an unsafe and dangerous way, luckily this has never been the case for cyclists. A car doing 50 in a 30 zone is appreciably more dangerous than a bike doing 10.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are all over the place, not giving signals, riding without care, it's a miracle that there isn't many more incidents like this.[/p][/quote]I drive a car and ride a bike, and both means of transport sometimes have idiots in control. The difference is, the bike rider always comes off worse in an accident. I have lost count of the number of times I have nearly been killed by an idiot driving in an unsafe and dangerous way, luckily this has never been the case for cyclists. A car doing 50 in a 30 zone is appreciably more dangerous than a bike doing 10. bazza 1

12:20pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Keptquiettillnow wrote: I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles
So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies!
I doubt they are. I see cars on pavements in every street.
Yes, and l`m sure they`re half parked on the pavement and STATIONARY! NOT the same thing as driving on the pavement is it!!
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles[/p][/quote]So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies![/p][/quote]I doubt they are. I see cars on pavements in every street.[/p][/quote]Yes, and l`m sure they`re half parked on the pavement and STATIONARY! NOT the same thing as driving on the pavement is it!! Almeda11

12:40pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Almeda11 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Keptquiettillnow wrote: I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles
So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies!
I doubt they are. I see cars on pavements in every street.
Yes, and l`m sure they`re half parked on the pavement and STATIONARY! NOT the same thing as driving on the pavement is it!!
Were they lifted on to the pavement or driven there?
[quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles[/p][/quote]So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies![/p][/quote]I doubt they are. I see cars on pavements in every street.[/p][/quote]Yes, and l`m sure they`re half parked on the pavement and STATIONARY! NOT the same thing as driving on the pavement is it!![/p][/quote]Were they lifted on to the pavement or driven there? Shoebury_Cyclist

3:34pm Sat 5 Jan 13

andy:) says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones.
There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Cyclists are all over the place, not giving signals, riding without care, it's a miracle that there isn't many more incidents like this.
Motorists are all over the place, not giving signals, driving without care, driving and texting, driving and phoning, driving whilst drunk, they kill thousands each year, including very recently South Africa's top MTB XC rider.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are all over the place, not giving signals, riding without care, it's a miracle that there isn't many more incidents like this.[/p][/quote]Motorists are all over the place, not giving signals, driving without care, driving and texting, driving and phoning, driving whilst drunk, they kill thousands each year, including very recently South Africa's top MTB XC rider. andy:)

4:20pm Sat 5 Jan 13

visteonpensioner says...

Carnabackable wrote:
I always hoot the horn when Im approaching one of these, loons.
what hoot with laughter or do carry a hooter around as a hobby
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: I always hoot the horn when Im approaching one of these, loons.[/p][/quote]what hoot with laughter or do carry a hooter around as a hobby visteonpensioner

4:56pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Carnabackable wrote:
An umbrella works well if your on the pavement and a cyclist is coming towards you - skewer 'em.
Or in the spokes works pretty good...
Looking forward to seeing the story as you're convicted of ABH, GBH, or wounding with intent.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: An umbrella works well if your on the pavement and a cyclist is coming towards you - skewer 'em. Or in the spokes works pretty good...[/p][/quote]Looking forward to seeing the story as you're convicted of ABH, GBH, or wounding with intent. Shoebury_Cyclist

5:17pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
An umbrella works well if your on the pavement and a cyclist is coming towards you - skewer 'em.
Or in the spokes works pretty good...
Looking forward to seeing the story as you're convicted of ABH, GBH, or wounding with intent.
Self Defence, of an incoming murder weapon, a fat man on a bicycle...
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: An umbrella works well if your on the pavement and a cyclist is coming towards you - skewer 'em. Or in the spokes works pretty good...[/p][/quote]Looking forward to seeing the story as you're convicted of ABH, GBH, or wounding with intent.[/p][/quote]Self Defence, of an incoming murder weapon, a fat man on a bicycle... Carnabackable

5:32pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
An umbrella works well if your on the pavement and a cyclist is coming towards you - skewer 'em.
Or in the spokes works pretty good...
Looking forward to seeing the story as you're convicted of ABH, GBH, or wounding with intent.
Self Defence, of an incoming murder weapon, a fat man on a bicycle...
Nope, it'll be assault with intent.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: An umbrella works well if your on the pavement and a cyclist is coming towards you - skewer 'em. Or in the spokes works pretty good...[/p][/quote]Looking forward to seeing the story as you're convicted of ABH, GBH, or wounding with intent.[/p][/quote]Self Defence, of an incoming murder weapon, a fat man on a bicycle...[/p][/quote]Nope, it'll be assault with intent. Shoebury_Cyclist

7:49pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Sean4u says...

"a fat man on a bicycle..."

A friend of mine who was very fond of extremely well armoured Swedish cars once told me he wished there was a way of just plugging himself in via the cigarette lighter socket or something similar so that his car could burn some of his fat for him. "That exists" I said "it's called a bicycle".

That must be a fat man on a *new* bicycle, mustn't it? We all have to start somewhere.
"a fat man on a bicycle..." A friend of mine who was very fond of extremely well armoured Swedish cars once told me he wished there was a way of just plugging himself in via the cigarette lighter socket or something similar so that his car could burn some of his fat for him. "That exists" I said "it's called a bicycle". That must be a fat man on a *new* bicycle, mustn't it? We all have to start somewhere. Sean4u

8:12pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Eric the Red says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
An umbrella works well if your on the pavement and a cyclist is coming towards you - skewer 'em.
Or in the spokes works pretty good...
Looking forward to seeing the story as you're convicted of ABH, GBH, or wounding with intent.
Self Defence, of an incoming murder weapon, a fat man on a bicycle...
Nope, it'll be assault with intent.
It's OK , Shoebury - he's forgotten to take his medication.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: An umbrella works well if your on the pavement and a cyclist is coming towards you - skewer 'em. Or in the spokes works pretty good...[/p][/quote]Looking forward to seeing the story as you're convicted of ABH, GBH, or wounding with intent.[/p][/quote]Self Defence, of an incoming murder weapon, a fat man on a bicycle...[/p][/quote]Nope, it'll be assault with intent.[/p][/quote]It's OK , Shoebury - he's forgotten to take his medication. Eric the Red

8:16pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Sean4u wrote:
"a fat man on a bicycle..."

A friend of mine who was very fond of extremely well armoured Swedish cars once told me he wished there was a way of just plugging himself in via the cigarette lighter socket or something similar so that his car could burn some of his fat for him. "That exists" I said "it's called a bicycle".

That must be a fat man on a *new* bicycle, mustn't it? We all have to start somewhere.
http://www.boredpand
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;)
[quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: "a fat man on a bicycle..." A friend of mine who was very fond of extremely well armoured Swedish cars once told me he wished there was a way of just plugging himself in via the cigarette lighter socket or something similar so that his car could burn some of his fat for him. "That exists" I said "it's called a bicycle". That must be a fat man on a *new* bicycle, mustn't it? We all have to start somewhere.[/p][/quote]http://www.boredpand a.com/blog/wp-conten t/uploads/2011/10/po d0042-car-makes-you- fat.jpg ;) Shoebury_Cyclist

12:00pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Keptquiettillnow wrote: I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles
So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies!
I doubt they are. I see cars on pavements in every street.
Yes, and l`m sure they`re half parked on the pavement and STATIONARY! NOT the same thing as driving on the pavement is it!!
Were they lifted on to the pavement or driven there?
They were obviously DRIVEN ON THE ROAD, THEN HALF PARKED ON THE PAVEMENT. THEY WERE NOT driven on the pavement just PARKED THERE BIG difference!!
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles[/p][/quote]So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies![/p][/quote]I doubt they are. I see cars on pavements in every street.[/p][/quote]Yes, and l`m sure they`re half parked on the pavement and STATIONARY! NOT the same thing as driving on the pavement is it!![/p][/quote]Were they lifted on to the pavement or driven there?[/p][/quote]They were obviously DRIVEN ON THE ROAD, THEN HALF PARKED ON THE PAVEMENT. THEY WERE NOT driven on the pavement just PARKED THERE BIG difference!! Almeda11

12:35pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Almeda11 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Keptquiettillnow wrote: I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles
So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies!
I doubt they are. I see cars on pavements in every street.
Yes, and l`m sure they`re half parked on the pavement and STATIONARY! NOT the same thing as driving on the pavement is it!!
Were they lifted on to the pavement or driven there?
They were obviously DRIVEN ON THE ROAD, THEN HALF PARKED ON THE PAVEMENT. THEY WERE NOT driven on the pavement just PARKED THERE BIG difference!!
So you think they were lifted into place on the pavement? Or they just miraculously appeared there without ever actually being driven onto the pavement?

Open your eyes.

EVERY ONE of those cars was DRIVEN onto the pavement. EVERY ONE of the drivers broke the law by driving on the pavement.
[quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles[/p][/quote]So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies![/p][/quote]I doubt they are. I see cars on pavements in every street.[/p][/quote]Yes, and l`m sure they`re half parked on the pavement and STATIONARY! NOT the same thing as driving on the pavement is it!![/p][/quote]Were they lifted on to the pavement or driven there?[/p][/quote]They were obviously DRIVEN ON THE ROAD, THEN HALF PARKED ON THE PAVEMENT. THEY WERE NOT driven on the pavement just PARKED THERE BIG difference!![/p][/quote]So you think they were lifted into place on the pavement? Or they just miraculously appeared there without ever actually being driven onto the pavement? Open your eyes. EVERY ONE of those cars was DRIVEN onto the pavement. EVERY ONE of the drivers broke the law by driving on the pavement. Shoebury_Cyclist

1:53pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

Almeda11 wrote:
Keptquiettillnow wrote:
I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles
So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies!
Southend. Every road I walk down has cars partially blocking the footpaths. Are you blind?
[quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: I see more cars and vans driven on the pavement than bicycles[/p][/quote]So where do you live then? l bet you`re telling porkies![/p][/quote]Southend. Every road I walk down has cars partially blocking the footpaths. Are you blind? Keptquiettillnow

10:40pm Sun 6 Jan 13

allan348 says...

Almeda11 wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
They don`t pay licence fees in Europe and l don`t see why they should here. Car drivers do because their vehicles are bigger, and gas guzzlers,also pollute the atmosphere, a threat to the environment, and also car drivers have the convenience of speed and comfort, also keeping out the elements of wind and rain.
Also, the constant use of cars, vans, lorries ect damages the surface of the roads, wheras cyclists wheels do not, cycling also keeps people a lot healthier than driving, therefore cutting expenditure by the nhs, some of these car drivers use their cars for a journey of just a quarter of a mile, absolutely ridiculous, unless there is a good reason for it a walk, or a cycle ride would do thier health a lot more good!
Well this guy has cost the NHS more than me in the last 15 years, and it is quite possible that he refused a lift to the hospital, waisting valuable ambulance time!
[quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]They don`t pay licence fees in Europe and l don`t see why they should here. Car drivers do because their vehicles are bigger, and gas guzzlers,also pollute the atmosphere, a threat to the environment, and also car drivers have the convenience of speed and comfort, also keeping out the elements of wind and rain. Also, the constant use of cars, vans, lorries ect damages the surface of the roads, wheras cyclists wheels do not, cycling also keeps people a lot healthier than driving, therefore cutting expenditure by the nhs, some of these car drivers use their cars for a journey of just a quarter of a mile, absolutely ridiculous, unless there is a good reason for it a walk, or a cycle ride would do thier health a lot more good![/p][/quote]Well this guy has cost the NHS more than me in the last 15 years, and it is quite possible that he refused a lift to the hospital, waisting valuable ambulance time! allan348

10:47pm Sun 6 Jan 13

allan348 says...

bazza 1 wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones.
There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Cyclists are all over the place, not giving signals, riding without care, it's a miracle that there isn't many more incidents like this.
I drive a car and ride a bike, and both means of transport sometimes have idiots in control. The difference is, the bike rider always comes off worse in an accident. I have lost count of the number of times I have nearly been killed by an idiot driving in an unsafe and dangerous way, luckily this has never been the case for cyclists. A car doing 50 in a 30 zone is appreciably more dangerous than a bike doing 10.
Not if that bike is doing 10 miles an hour on a pavement and hits an OAP or small child!
[quote][p][bold]bazza 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are all over the place, not giving signals, riding without care, it's a miracle that there isn't many more incidents like this.[/p][/quote]I drive a car and ride a bike, and both means of transport sometimes have idiots in control. The difference is, the bike rider always comes off worse in an accident. I have lost count of the number of times I have nearly been killed by an idiot driving in an unsafe and dangerous way, luckily this has never been the case for cyclists. A car doing 50 in a 30 zone is appreciably more dangerous than a bike doing 10.[/p][/quote]Not if that bike is doing 10 miles an hour on a pavement and hits an OAP or small child! allan348

9:20am Mon 7 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

allan348 wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
They don`t pay licence fees in Europe and l don`t see why they should here. Car drivers do because their vehicles are bigger, and gas guzzlers,also pollute the atmosphere, a threat to the environment, and also car drivers have the convenience of speed and comfort, also keeping out the elements of wind and rain.
Also, the constant use of cars, vans, lorries ect damages the surface of the roads, wheras cyclists wheels do not, cycling also keeps people a lot healthier than driving, therefore cutting expenditure by the nhs, some of these car drivers use their cars for a journey of just a quarter of a mile, absolutely ridiculous, unless there is a good reason for it a walk, or a cycle ride would do thier health a lot more good!
Well this guy has cost the NHS more than me in the last 15 years, and it is quite possible that he refused a lift to the hospital, waisting valuable ambulance time!
Someone is knocked down and injured by someone else in the car, and you blame the injured person for the cost to the NHS?
[quote][p][bold]allan348[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]They don`t pay licence fees in Europe and l don`t see why they should here. Car drivers do because their vehicles are bigger, and gas guzzlers,also pollute the atmosphere, a threat to the environment, and also car drivers have the convenience of speed and comfort, also keeping out the elements of wind and rain. Also, the constant use of cars, vans, lorries ect damages the surface of the roads, wheras cyclists wheels do not, cycling also keeps people a lot healthier than driving, therefore cutting expenditure by the nhs, some of these car drivers use their cars for a journey of just a quarter of a mile, absolutely ridiculous, unless there is a good reason for it a walk, or a cycle ride would do thier health a lot more good![/p][/quote]Well this guy has cost the NHS more than me in the last 15 years, and it is quite possible that he refused a lift to the hospital, waisting valuable ambulance time![/p][/quote]Someone is knocked down and injured by someone else in the car, and you blame the injured person for the cost to the NHS? Shoebury_Cyclist

10:02pm Mon 7 Jan 13

allan348 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
allan348 wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
They don`t pay licence fees in Europe and l don`t see why they should here. Car drivers do because their vehicles are bigger, and gas guzzlers,also pollute the atmosphere, a threat to the environment, and also car drivers have the convenience of speed and comfort, also keeping out the elements of wind and rain.
Also, the constant use of cars, vans, lorries ect damages the surface of the roads, wheras cyclists wheels do not, cycling also keeps people a lot healthier than driving, therefore cutting expenditure by the nhs, some of these car drivers use their cars for a journey of just a quarter of a mile, absolutely ridiculous, unless there is a good reason for it a walk, or a cycle ride would do thier health a lot more good!
Well this guy has cost the NHS more than me in the last 15 years, and it is quite possible that he refused a lift to the hospital, waisting valuable ambulance time!
Someone is knocked down and injured by someone else in the car, and you blame the injured person for the cost to the NHS?
Ah........so you are assuming that the driver was at fault then!!!

Perhaps he was driving his car down the pavement and decided to bunny hopped back into the road without lookng for a bike!!!

Read the report again it does not say who was to blame.....
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan348[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]They don`t pay licence fees in Europe and l don`t see why they should here. Car drivers do because their vehicles are bigger, and gas guzzlers,also pollute the atmosphere, a threat to the environment, and also car drivers have the convenience of speed and comfort, also keeping out the elements of wind and rain. Also, the constant use of cars, vans, lorries ect damages the surface of the roads, wheras cyclists wheels do not, cycling also keeps people a lot healthier than driving, therefore cutting expenditure by the nhs, some of these car drivers use their cars for a journey of just a quarter of a mile, absolutely ridiculous, unless there is a good reason for it a walk, or a cycle ride would do thier health a lot more good![/p][/quote]Well this guy has cost the NHS more than me in the last 15 years, and it is quite possible that he refused a lift to the hospital, waisting valuable ambulance time![/p][/quote]Someone is knocked down and injured by someone else in the car, and you blame the injured person for the cost to the NHS?[/p][/quote]Ah........so you are assuming that the driver was at fault then!!! Perhaps he was driving his car down the pavement and decided to bunny hopped back into the road without lookng for a bike!!! Read the report again it does not say who was to blame..... allan348

8:50am Tue 8 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

allan348 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
allan348 wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........
The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.
Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?
Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.
They don`t pay licence fees in Europe and l don`t see why they should here. Car drivers do because their vehicles are bigger, and gas guzzlers,also pollute the atmosphere, a threat to the environment, and also car drivers have the convenience of speed and comfort, also keeping out the elements of wind and rain.
Also, the constant use of cars, vans, lorries ect damages the surface of the roads, wheras cyclists wheels do not, cycling also keeps people a lot healthier than driving, therefore cutting expenditure by the nhs, some of these car drivers use their cars for a journey of just a quarter of a mile, absolutely ridiculous, unless there is a good reason for it a walk, or a cycle ride would do thier health a lot more good!
Well this guy has cost the NHS more than me in the last 15 years, and it is quite possible that he refused a lift to the hospital, waisting valuable ambulance time!
Someone is knocked down and injured by someone else in the car, and you blame the injured person for the cost to the NHS?
Ah........so you are assuming that the driver was at fault then!!!

Perhaps he was driving his car down the pavement and decided to bunny hopped back into the road without lookng for a bike!!!

Read the report again it does not say who was to blame.....
It's safe to say he wasn't on the pavement, because the report would have said that. So he was in the road and hit by a car. You don't break a leg by riding into something, you do break a leg when a car drives into you. Driver at fault.
[quote][p][bold]allan348[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan348[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Trouble with the cyclist brigade is they're never in the wrong.........[/p][/quote]The mere mention of the word 'cyclist' on here brings them out from under their stones. There are good road users and there are bad - irrespective of their mode of transport. If I ride bikes and drive cars as well, what 'brigade' do I belong to? You know nothing of the details of the accident, anyway.[/p][/quote]Eric -- the only intelligent reply on here so far. There seems to be a lot of hatred towards cyclists and it makes me angry. l know there ARE a lot of idiot cyclists, who jump red lights ects, and that really annoys me as they are reflecting on all good cyclists, and l am one of them. l passed my cycling proficiency test at the age of 11. l am now almost 66 and l still cycle on the roads. Equally there are a number of idiot drivers, who come too close or open car doors without checking first. l actuall carry a camera with me, just in case! l do get annoyed that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, as many both cycle and drive -- and even if they don`t so what?!! lt is THEIR choice. What this pathetic council, and country in general should be doing, instead of turning half of London Rd, from Westcliff to Sainsburys into a glorified pcar park, is use those spaces for cycle tracks, as they are the most convenient and quickest way into Southend, most people don`t want to go the long way around via the seafront just to get their shopping! ln Germany, where l spend a few months every year, as well as in Holland and many other EU countries, cycle tracks abound, either on the outside of the pavements, or the inside of the road, with cyclist travelling in the same direction as the traffic. l feel a lot safer there than l do here. ln some areas they even have their own set of traffic lights, in others , not so common though, a pavement is shared, there is a diagram to show this, and people there co operate more with each other. For instance if a cyclist approaches and wants to get past they just ring their bell, and people let them past, no aggression, no funny looks or stupid remarks, just grown up behaviour, of the type that`s not often seen here. And WHY has no mentioned the fact that this cyclist, who had A BROKEN LEG, was not taken to hospital in an ambulance, when it is CLEARLY THEIR DUTY to take injured people there?[/p][/quote]Let them start by contributing, with a form of cycle fund license, get those cycles to be road registered, to pass cycle MOT, once the riders in an area have raised enough capital, build some cycle paths. In the meantime they use the roads, they ride and conform to the highway code, or succumb to the many dangers, known as cycle accidents.[/p][/quote]They don`t pay licence fees in Europe and l don`t see why they should here. Car drivers do because their vehicles are bigger, and gas guzzlers,also pollute the atmosphere, a threat to the environment, and also car drivers have the convenience of speed and comfort, also keeping out the elements of wind and rain. Also, the constant use of cars, vans, lorries ect damages the surface of the roads, wheras cyclists wheels do not, cycling also keeps people a lot healthier than driving, therefore cutting expenditure by the nhs, some of these car drivers use their cars for a journey of just a quarter of a mile, absolutely ridiculous, unless there is a good reason for it a walk, or a cycle ride would do thier health a lot more good![/p][/quote]Well this guy has cost the NHS more than me in the last 15 years, and it is quite possible that he refused a lift to the hospital, waisting valuable ambulance time![/p][/quote]Someone is knocked down and injured by someone else in the car, and you blame the injured person for the cost to the NHS?[/p][/quote]Ah........so you are assuming that the driver was at fault then!!! Perhaps he was driving his car down the pavement and decided to bunny hopped back into the road without lookng for a bike!!! Read the report again it does not say who was to blame.....[/p][/quote]It's safe to say he wasn't on the pavement, because the report would have said that. So he was in the road and hit by a car. You don't break a leg by riding into something, you do break a leg when a car drives into you. Driver at fault. Shoebury_Cyclist

12:12pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Diannah says...

I would guess that the cyclist made his own arrangements to get to hospital because he had to arrange pick up of his bike. Whoever was at fault will surely be dealt with. Let's just hope that if the cyclist was a fault, then he has insurance to cover all costs - and likewise the car driver. I read too many stories these days of drivers without insurance etc.

I have nothing against sensible car drivers or cyclists. Would love to see separate roads for cyclists but cannot imagine how they could come about unless they are levitated above our current roads. Would certainly ease road congestion too because more people would cycle rather than drive if they felt it was safe to do so.
I would guess that the cyclist made his own arrangements to get to hospital because he had to arrange pick up of his bike. Whoever was at fault will surely be dealt with. Let's just hope that if the cyclist was a fault, then he has insurance to cover all costs - and likewise the car driver. I read too many stories these days of drivers without insurance etc. I have nothing against sensible car drivers or cyclists. Would love to see separate roads for cyclists but cannot imagine how they could come about unless they are levitated above our current roads. Would certainly ease road congestion too because more people would cycle rather than drive if they felt it was safe to do so. Diannah

1:30pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Baker-Boy says...

i love this blame game i not heard any wittness report yet the story u are unable to confirm blame so lets hope the man leg heal quickly and the driver recover from the shock
i love this blame game i not heard any wittness report yet the story u are unable to confirm blame so lets hope the man leg heal quickly and the driver recover from the shock Baker-Boy

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