Anger at council's one-year inaction on "dangerous" tidal pool

Safety hazard - Barry and Dot Palmer at the slime-covered pool

Safety hazard - Barry and Dot Palmer at the slime-covered pool

First published in Local News

BEACH LOVERS are furious as plans to make a “dangerous” tidal pool safer have stalled for almost a year.

The seafront paddling pool, one of two along Concord Beach off Eastern Esplanade, Canvey, underwent a £250,000 revamp in 2007.

However, last January Castle Point Council conceded it would have to spend £28,000 undoing the work as it caused the pool to become covered in slime and several people to slip and hurt themselves.

Anger is mounting as almost a year has passed and the work has yet to begin, despite assurances the project would start last September.

Barry Palmer, of Linden Way, Canvey, who is part of the Friends of Concord Beach volunteer group, said: “It was supposed to start months ago but they’ve not done anything at all. It is so dangerous down there, the rocks are so slippery where they are covered in seaweed and algae and there are no railings to stop people falling.

“The renovations were such a waste of money and it’s about time the work was reversed.”

The local authority agreed to remove the concrete base and create a drainage channel to prevent the pool retaining water at low tide, which it is hoped will stop the marine algae building up.

Ambitious plans were in the pipeline for the campaign group to install new benches and paint a mural on the sea wall in memory of the 58 people who tragically lost their lives in the North Sea Flood in 1953.

It was hoped the mural would be finished in time for the 60th anniversary of the disaster later this month, however members have had to postpone the project due to the delays to the tidal pool work.

Mr Palmer added: “All our plans are up in the air at the moment until this work is complete which is frustrating. We want to make that part as nicer but we can’t start anything until we know what’s going on.”

A spokeswoman from the council said: “The council was awaiting a report commissioned from a specialist marine engineer to be sure that nothing is done that would impact adversely on the beach area or cafe .

“Now that we have this report we are arranging a meeting with contractors to programme the works.”


 

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2:29pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Barry Bas says...

"The local authority agreed to remove the concrete base and create a drainage channel to prevent the pool retaining water at low tide, which it is hoped will stop the marine algae building up."

I remember using these 25 to 30 years ago when I was a kid. I always thought the idea was that they would retain water at low tide so kids could still swim/paddle when the tide was out.
"The local authority agreed to remove the concrete base and create a drainage channel to prevent the pool retaining water at low tide, which it is hoped will stop the marine algae building up." I remember using these 25 to 30 years ago when I was a kid. I always thought the idea was that they would retain water at low tide so kids could still swim/paddle when the tide was out. Barry Bas
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3:39pm Mon 7 Jan 13

marshman says...

Get someone with a stiff broom to scrub it off.
Get someone with a stiff broom to scrub it off. marshman
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4:03pm Mon 7 Jan 13

emcee says...

Barry Bas wrote:
"The local authority agreed to remove the concrete base and create a drainage channel to prevent the pool retaining water at low tide, which it is hoped will stop the marine algae building up."

I remember using these 25 to 30 years ago when I was a kid. I always thought the idea was that they would retain water at low tide so kids could still swim/paddle when the tide was out.
That is exactly the point of them. This situation is rapidly becoming a farce and is making CP Council a laughing stock (if it was not already).
[quote][p][bold]Barry Bas[/bold] wrote: "The local authority agreed to remove the concrete base and create a drainage channel to prevent the pool retaining water at low tide, which it is hoped will stop the marine algae building up." I remember using these 25 to 30 years ago when I was a kid. I always thought the idea was that they would retain water at low tide so kids could still swim/paddle when the tide was out.[/p][/quote]That is exactly the point of them. This situation is rapidly becoming a farce and is making CP Council a laughing stock (if it was not already). emcee
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4:05pm Mon 7 Jan 13

TheStraightTalker says...

I agree with the comment above get a good stiff brush and hey get the criminals to do the work......
I agree with the comment above get a good stiff brush and hey get the criminals to do the work...... TheStraightTalker
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4:14pm Mon 7 Jan 13

John T Pharro says...

What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach".
The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.
What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach". The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough. John T Pharro
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4:22pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Eric Whim says...

where's that silly Cnut when you need him?
where's that silly Cnut when you need him? Eric Whim
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4:22pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Eric Whim says...

where's that silly Cnut when you need him?
where's that silly Cnut when you need him? Eric Whim
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5:21pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Sean4u says...

I played in these pools as a kid 40 years ago: they were covered in seaweed and algae back then. I didn't die. Canvey Island doesn't have a 'seafront': it's a beach on an estuary. That means reduced salinity and lots of organic matter from upstream. Why not just make the best of what you've got?

On the subject of public manual works not being done: we need to get local councils to use issue trackers like bugzilla. They're free, allow people to identify problems (dogtish, litter, potholes etc) and see local council response in the form of transfer of responsibility, timetabling and resolution. It would make it abundantly clear which public servants are responsible for the expectation / delivery gap.
I played in these pools as a kid 40 years ago: they were covered in seaweed and algae back then. I didn't die. Canvey Island doesn't have a 'seafront': it's a beach on an estuary. That means reduced salinity and lots of organic matter from upstream. Why not just make the best of what you've got? On the subject of public manual works not being done: we need to get local councils to use issue trackers like bugzilla. They're free, allow people to identify problems (dogtish, litter, potholes etc) and see local council response in the form of transfer of responsibility, timetabling and resolution. It would make it abundantly clear which public servants are responsible for the expectation / delivery gap. Sean4u
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6:09pm Mon 7 Jan 13

upset says...

Barry Bas wrote:
"The local authority agreed to remove the concrete base and create a drainage channel to prevent the pool retaining water at low tide, which it is hoped will stop the marine algae building up."

I remember using these 25 to 30 years ago when I was a kid. I always thought the idea was that they would retain water at low tide so kids could still swim/paddle when the tide was out.
Here Here
[quote][p][bold]Barry Bas[/bold] wrote: "The local authority agreed to remove the concrete base and create a drainage channel to prevent the pool retaining water at low tide, which it is hoped will stop the marine algae building up." I remember using these 25 to 30 years ago when I was a kid. I always thought the idea was that they would retain water at low tide so kids could still swim/paddle when the tide was out.[/p][/quote]Here Here upset
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6:21pm Mon 7 Jan 13

upset says...

John T Pharro wrote:
What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach".
The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.
This is your worst yet John.
Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous.
The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted.
Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year.
Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out.
Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach". The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.[/p][/quote]This is your worst yet John. Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous. The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted. Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year. Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out. Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks. upset
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7:15pm Mon 7 Jan 13

John T Pharro says...

upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach".
The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.
This is your worst yet John.
Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous.
The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted.
Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year.
Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out.
Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks.
Have you seen the contract between Castle Point and the contractors to keep the seafront clean? Have you actually seen all the uncleared litter and dog poo? Tell you what if you think it is good enough you really are in a miinority.
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach". The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.[/p][/quote]This is your worst yet John. Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous. The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted. Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year. Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out. Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the contract between Castle Point and the contractors to keep the seafront clean? Have you actually seen all the uncleared litter and dog poo? Tell you what if you think it is good enough you really are in a miinority. John T Pharro
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9:31pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Curbishly says...

John T Pharro wrote:
What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach".
The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.
You're becoming a parody of the angry little man of Canvey.

The Buffoon of the Bog.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach". The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.[/p][/quote]You're becoming a parody of the angry little man of Canvey. The Buffoon of the Bog. Curbishly
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11:11pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

What an unfortunate state of affairs
What an unfortunate state of affairs Carnabackable
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11:52pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

Why build a pool, on the Canvey seafront, the water comes and goes twice a day, via nature, mind you makes a good poo cleanser...
Why build a pool, on the Canvey seafront, the water comes and goes twice a day, via nature, mind you makes a good poo cleanser... Carnabackable
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5:02am Tue 8 Jan 13

Brunning999 says...

Canvey, Canvey, Canvey.

Benfleet is part of Castle Point for those that don't know, it is just the residents of Benfleet make less noise!!
Canvey, Canvey, Canvey. Benfleet is part of Castle Point for those that don't know, it is just the residents of Benfleet make less noise!! Brunning999
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11:05am Tue 8 Jan 13

John T Pharro says...

Curbishly wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach".
The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.
You're becoming a parody of the angry little man of Canvey.

The Buffoon of the Bog.
Sling out all the insults you won't doesn't make me wrong does it. The seafront is a disgrace and always full of rubbish and dog poo. Obviously you haven't been there to see have you?
[quote][p][bold]Curbishly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach". The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.[/p][/quote]You're becoming a parody of the angry little man of Canvey. The Buffoon of the Bog.[/p][/quote]Sling out all the insults you won't doesn't make me wrong does it. The seafront is a disgrace and always full of rubbish and dog poo. Obviously you haven't been there to see have you? John T Pharro
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11:46am Tue 8 Jan 13

iknowbetter says...

Brunning999 wrote:
Canvey, Canvey, Canvey.

Benfleet is part of Castle Point for those that don't know, it is just the residents of Benfleet make less noise!!
But they dont have a tidal pool.. And they dont have a lot to shout about. :)
[quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: Canvey, Canvey, Canvey. Benfleet is part of Castle Point for those that don't know, it is just the residents of Benfleet make less noise!![/p][/quote]But they dont have a tidal pool.. And they dont have a lot to shout about. :) iknowbetter
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3:50pm Tue 8 Jan 13

upset says...

John T Pharro wrote:
upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach".
The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.
This is your worst yet John.
Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous.
The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted.
Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year.
Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out.
Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks.
Have you seen the contract between Castle Point and the contractors to keep the seafront clean? Have you actually seen all the uncleared litter and dog poo? Tell you what if you think it is good enough you really are in a miinority.
When did I ever imply that it was good enough?
If you are going to come back at my comments John, read them first.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach". The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.[/p][/quote]This is your worst yet John. Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous. The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted. Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year. Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out. Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the contract between Castle Point and the contractors to keep the seafront clean? Have you actually seen all the uncleared litter and dog poo? Tell you what if you think it is good enough you really are in a miinority.[/p][/quote]When did I ever imply that it was good enough? If you are going to come back at my comments John, read them first. upset
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3:52pm Tue 8 Jan 13

upset says...

Brunning999 wrote:
Canvey, Canvey, Canvey.

Benfleet is part of Castle Point for those that don't know, it is just the residents of Benfleet make less noise!!
No it is not, it is because the Echo love to wind up the Tory and CIIP supporters.
[quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: Canvey, Canvey, Canvey. Benfleet is part of Castle Point for those that don't know, it is just the residents of Benfleet make less noise!![/p][/quote]No it is not, it is because the Echo love to wind up the Tory and CIIP supporters. upset
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4:34pm Tue 8 Jan 13

John T Pharro says...

upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach".
The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.
This is your worst yet John.
Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous.
The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted.
Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year.
Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out.
Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks.
Have you seen the contract between Castle Point and the contractors to keep the seafront clean? Have you actually seen all the uncleared litter and dog poo? Tell you what if you think it is good enough you really are in a miinority.
When did I ever imply that it was good enough?
If you are going to come back at my comments John, read them first.
Glad you agree the seafront is not clean enough or do you? Actually neither Castle Point Council nor the Town Council employ inspectors to call in badly littered or dog poo areas (actually Castle Point Council say they do inspect, but that seems only after a complaint). I can understand that for some areas, but not the seafront which needs a regular pick up, but the further east you go the less it is picked up. Walk it and see for yourself.
As to the appointment of the dog warden by the Town Council the last I heard she needed to a go on a course in order to issue tickets. Utterly daft because as an ex police officer she would know how to issue a ticket. Agree that as no one has been issued with a ticket which really makes you question whether value for money. The knock about having to have a "marine engineer employed" was aimed at the seemingly unnecessary costs which no doubt Castle Point Council have to pay, I do not think Pinnacle do a good job in keeping this Borough clean and Castle Point Council gave them the contract they are to blame. Collectively if all Councillors voted to use them. Is that clear enough? Plus the only time the side roads are cleared of litter is when the grass cutters pick it up prior to cutting (if your lucky otherwise you get chewed up litter). So nothing gets automatically picked in the side roads from October to a March. If you doubt me look around your area and see for yourself.
Finally when did you last see a road sweeper? We used to get them at least once a month down our road and I have not seen one all of last year or this have you? However, do not know whether that is down to Essex County Council or Castle Point Council.
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach". The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.[/p][/quote]This is your worst yet John. Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous. The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted. Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year. Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out. Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the contract between Castle Point and the contractors to keep the seafront clean? Have you actually seen all the uncleared litter and dog poo? Tell you what if you think it is good enough you really are in a miinority.[/p][/quote]When did I ever imply that it was good enough? If you are going to come back at my comments John, read them first.[/p][/quote]Glad you agree the seafront is not clean enough or do you? Actually neither Castle Point Council nor the Town Council employ inspectors to call in badly littered or dog poo areas (actually Castle Point Council say they do inspect, but that seems only after a complaint). I can understand that for some areas, but not the seafront which needs a regular pick up, but the further east you go the less it is picked up. Walk it and see for yourself. As to the appointment of the dog warden by the Town Council the last I heard she needed to a go on a course in order to issue tickets. Utterly daft because as an ex police officer she would know how to issue a ticket. Agree that as no one has been issued with a ticket which really makes you question whether value for money. The knock about having to have a "marine engineer employed" was aimed at the seemingly unnecessary costs which no doubt Castle Point Council have to pay, I do not think Pinnacle do a good job in keeping this Borough clean and Castle Point Council gave them the contract they are to blame. Collectively if all Councillors voted to use them. Is that clear enough? Plus the only time the side roads are cleared of litter is when the grass cutters pick it up prior to cutting (if your lucky otherwise you get chewed up litter). So nothing gets automatically picked in the side roads from October to a March. If you doubt me look around your area and see for yourself. Finally when did you last see a road sweeper? We used to get them at least once a month down our road and I have not seen one all of last year or this have you? However, do not know whether that is down to Essex County Council or Castle Point Council. John T Pharro
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8:07pm Tue 8 Jan 13

upset says...

John T Pharro wrote:
upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach".
The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.
This is your worst yet John.
Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous.
The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted.
Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year.
Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out.
Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks.
Have you seen the contract between Castle Point and the contractors to keep the seafront clean? Have you actually seen all the uncleared litter and dog poo? Tell you what if you think it is good enough you really are in a miinority.
When did I ever imply that it was good enough?
If you are going to come back at my comments John, read them first.
Glad you agree the seafront is not clean enough or do you? Actually neither Castle Point Council nor the Town Council employ inspectors to call in badly littered or dog poo areas (actually Castle Point Council say they do inspect, but that seems only after a complaint). I can understand that for some areas, but not the seafront which needs a regular pick up, but the further east you go the less it is picked up. Walk it and see for yourself.
As to the appointment of the dog warden by the Town Council the last I heard she needed to a go on a course in order to issue tickets. Utterly daft because as an ex police officer she would know how to issue a ticket. Agree that as no one has been issued with a ticket which really makes you question whether value for money. The knock about having to have a "marine engineer employed" was aimed at the seemingly unnecessary costs which no doubt Castle Point Council have to pay, I do not think Pinnacle do a good job in keeping this Borough clean and Castle Point Council gave them the contract they are to blame. Collectively if all Councillors voted to use them. Is that clear enough? Plus the only time the side roads are cleared of litter is when the grass cutters pick it up prior to cutting (if your lucky otherwise you get chewed up litter). So nothing gets automatically picked in the side roads from October to a March. If you doubt me look around your area and see for yourself.
Finally when did you last see a road sweeper? We used to get them at least once a month down our road and I have not seen one all of last year or this have you? However, do not know whether that is down to Essex County Council or Castle Point Council.
READ THIS JOHN
http://www.canveyisl
and-tc.gov.uk/commun
ity-wardens.html
Amongst other things it states litter and dog fowling are part of the wardens remit, I am sure you will find away of saying I am wrong.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach". The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.[/p][/quote]This is your worst yet John. Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous. The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted. Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year. Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out. Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the contract between Castle Point and the contractors to keep the seafront clean? Have you actually seen all the uncleared litter and dog poo? Tell you what if you think it is good enough you really are in a miinority.[/p][/quote]When did I ever imply that it was good enough? If you are going to come back at my comments John, read them first.[/p][/quote]Glad you agree the seafront is not clean enough or do you? Actually neither Castle Point Council nor the Town Council employ inspectors to call in badly littered or dog poo areas (actually Castle Point Council say they do inspect, but that seems only after a complaint). I can understand that for some areas, but not the seafront which needs a regular pick up, but the further east you go the less it is picked up. Walk it and see for yourself. As to the appointment of the dog warden by the Town Council the last I heard she needed to a go on a course in order to issue tickets. Utterly daft because as an ex police officer she would know how to issue a ticket. Agree that as no one has been issued with a ticket which really makes you question whether value for money. The knock about having to have a "marine engineer employed" was aimed at the seemingly unnecessary costs which no doubt Castle Point Council have to pay, I do not think Pinnacle do a good job in keeping this Borough clean and Castle Point Council gave them the contract they are to blame. Collectively if all Councillors voted to use them. Is that clear enough? Plus the only time the side roads are cleared of litter is when the grass cutters pick it up prior to cutting (if your lucky otherwise you get chewed up litter). So nothing gets automatically picked in the side roads from October to a March. If you doubt me look around your area and see for yourself. Finally when did you last see a road sweeper? We used to get them at least once a month down our road and I have not seen one all of last year or this have you? However, do not know whether that is down to Essex County Council or Castle Point Council.[/p][/quote]READ THIS JOHN http://www.canveyisl and-tc.gov.uk/commun ity-wardens.html Amongst other things it states litter and dog fowling are part of the wardens remit, I am sure you will find away of saying I am wrong. upset
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8:20pm Tue 8 Jan 13

John T Pharro says...

upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach".
The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.
This is your worst yet John.
Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous.
The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted.
Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year.
Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out.
Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks.
Have you seen the contract between Castle Point and the contractors to keep the seafront clean? Have you actually seen all the uncleared litter and dog poo? Tell you what if you think it is good enough you really are in a miinority.
When did I ever imply that it was good enough?
If you are going to come back at my comments John, read them first.
Glad you agree the seafront is not clean enough or do you? Actually neither Castle Point Council nor the Town Council employ inspectors to call in badly littered or dog poo areas (actually Castle Point Council say they do inspect, but that seems only after a complaint). I can understand that for some areas, but not the seafront which needs a regular pick up, but the further east you go the less it is picked up. Walk it and see for yourself.
As to the appointment of the dog warden by the Town Council the last I heard she needed to a go on a course in order to issue tickets. Utterly daft because as an ex police officer she would know how to issue a ticket. Agree that as no one has been issued with a ticket which really makes you question whether value for money. The knock about having to have a "marine engineer employed" was aimed at the seemingly unnecessary costs which no doubt Castle Point Council have to pay, I do not think Pinnacle do a good job in keeping this Borough clean and Castle Point Council gave them the contract they are to blame. Collectively if all Councillors voted to use them. Is that clear enough? Plus the only time the side roads are cleared of litter is when the grass cutters pick it up prior to cutting (if your lucky otherwise you get chewed up litter). So nothing gets automatically picked in the side roads from October to a March. If you doubt me look around your area and see for yourself.
Finally when did you last see a road sweeper? We used to get them at least once a month down our road and I have not seen one all of last year or this have you? However, do not know whether that is down to Essex County Council or Castle Point Council.
READ THIS JOHN
http://www.canveyisl

and-tc.gov.uk/commun

ity-wardens.html
Amongst other things it states litter and dog fowling are part of the wardens remit, I am sure you will find away of saying I am wrong.
No I don't disagree that was her remit, but apparently as she advised last April, or about then, at a meeting at the Paddocks she could not issue tickets until trained and as far as I know is still the case.
However, you don't comment on the other matters regarding litter and the state of the seafront.
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: What a massive waste of money to have to employ a "specialist marine engineer" to avoid "impacting adversely on the beach". The biggest impact to the beach front area is the inability of Castle Point Council to keep the whole seafront free of litter and dog poo. Before the response the litter shouldn't be dropped no it shouldn't but we pay council tax to get it cleared up. Time and time again the litter bins and dog poo bins are filled to overflowing so this Council cannot even keep them emptied frequently enough.[/p][/quote]This is your worst yet John. Your last few lines try's to cover up you opportunist knocking of CP is rediculous. The town council or CP did not leave litter and or dog poo, TC want and have control over the sea front, they employ the poo inspector, to my knowledge not one person or dog has been prosecuted. Why now get a photo opportunity when only the moaning brigade will try to enter the pool, no right minded parent would let their children in the sea at this time of year. Why have the Echo run this non story, a phone call to the council would have sorted this out. Little people getting there minutes of fame me thinks.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the contract between Castle Point and the contractors to keep the seafront clean? Have you actually seen all the uncleared litter and dog poo? Tell you what if you think it is good enough you really are in a miinority.[/p][/quote]When did I ever imply that it was good enough? If you are going to come back at my comments John, read them first.[/p][/quote]Glad you agree the seafront is not clean enough or do you? Actually neither Castle Point Council nor the Town Council employ inspectors to call in badly littered or dog poo areas (actually Castle Point Council say they do inspect, but that seems only after a complaint). I can understand that for some areas, but not the seafront which needs a regular pick up, but the further east you go the less it is picked up. Walk it and see for yourself. As to the appointment of the dog warden by the Town Council the last I heard she needed to a go on a course in order to issue tickets. Utterly daft because as an ex police officer she would know how to issue a ticket. Agree that as no one has been issued with a ticket which really makes you question whether value for money. The knock about having to have a "marine engineer employed" was aimed at the seemingly unnecessary costs which no doubt Castle Point Council have to pay, I do not think Pinnacle do a good job in keeping this Borough clean and Castle Point Council gave them the contract they are to blame. Collectively if all Councillors voted to use them. Is that clear enough? Plus the only time the side roads are cleared of litter is when the grass cutters pick it up prior to cutting (if your lucky otherwise you get chewed up litter). So nothing gets automatically picked in the side roads from October to a March. If you doubt me look around your area and see for yourself. Finally when did you last see a road sweeper? We used to get them at least once a month down our road and I have not seen one all of last year or this have you? However, do not know whether that is down to Essex County Council or Castle Point Council.[/p][/quote]READ THIS JOHN http://www.canveyisl and-tc.gov.uk/commun ity-wardens.html Amongst other things it states litter and dog fowling are part of the wardens remit, I am sure you will find away of saying I am wrong.[/p][/quote]No I don't disagree that was her remit, but apparently as she advised last April, or about then, at a meeting at the Paddocks she could not issue tickets until trained and as far as I know is still the case. However, you don't comment on the other matters regarding litter and the state of the seafront. John T Pharro
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2:17pm Wed 9 Jan 13

upset says...

You have again only read the bits of my comments you want to.
The licence was only for poo tickets nothing else, and why has your beloved TC controlled by the INDIES not got the licence problem resolved (that's if your right).
I and I believe others will be waiting with baited breath to see how you twist this round to being CP & or Tories fault, but I'll bet you will have a good try!!!
You have again only read the bits of my comments you want to. The licence was only for poo tickets nothing else, and why has your beloved TC controlled by the INDIES not got the licence problem resolved (that's if your right). I and I believe others will be waiting with baited breath to see how you twist this round to being CP & or Tories fault, but I'll bet you will have a good try!!! upset
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1:26pm Thu 10 Jan 13

John T Pharro says...

upset wrote:
You have again only read the bits of my comments you want to.
The licence was only for poo tickets nothing else, and why has your beloved TC controlled by the INDIES not got the licence problem resolved (that's if your right).
I and I believe others will be waiting with baited breath to see how you twist this round to being CP & or Tories fault, but I'll bet you will have a good try!!!
The litter and dog poo cleaning are Castle Point Council responsibility to,clear not the Town Council so the disgraceful state of the seafront (accept Concord Beach which is the Town Council) is their responsibility. A few years back the police offered to issue dog poo fines, but Castle Point Borough Council couldn't or wouldn't provide the appropriate headed paperwork. One reason why the dog warden was provided by the Town Council and I think I made it clear I don't know if she can issue tickets now.
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: You have again only read the bits of my comments you want to. The licence was only for poo tickets nothing else, and why has your beloved TC controlled by the INDIES not got the licence problem resolved (that's if your right). I and I believe others will be waiting with baited breath to see how you twist this round to being CP & or Tories fault, but I'll bet you will have a good try!!![/p][/quote]The litter and dog poo cleaning are Castle Point Council responsibility to,clear not the Town Council so the disgraceful state of the seafront (accept Concord Beach which is the Town Council) is their responsibility. A few years back the police offered to issue dog poo fines, but Castle Point Borough Council couldn't or wouldn't provide the appropriate headed paperwork. One reason why the dog warden was provided by the Town Council and I think I made it clear I don't know if she can issue tickets now. John T Pharro
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4:04pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Whatthe* says...

The Pool is the responsibility of the Town Council now not CPBC.
The whole situation is a joke, Health and Safety gone mad, it should have just been pumped out , cleaned out and a man with a digger would do it in an hour the relined with sand, add a sluice gate to drain it in the winter and shut it in the summer so it would fill up at high tide, stiff broom once a month and concrete is a good grippy surface. Job done.
The Pool is the responsibility of the Town Council now not CPBC. The whole situation is a joke, Health and Safety gone mad, it should have just been pumped out , cleaned out and a man with a digger would do it in an hour the relined with sand, add a sluice gate to drain it in the winter and shut it in the summer so it would fill up at high tide, stiff broom once a month and concrete is a good grippy surface. Job done. Whatthe*
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