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VOTE: Is council right to scrap Southend Airshow? (From Echo)
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Southend Air Show cancelled and pier shut in budget cutbacks
in Local News By David Trayner
Southend Air Show scrapped and pier shut in budget cutbacks
SOUTHEND Air Show will be cancelled and the pier will close two days a week as Southend Council struggles to balance its books.
Council tax will rise by 1.75 per cent – 38p per week for Band D properties – and the authority will slash more than £10million from its budget as it deals with a £3.2million drop in government funding.
A total of 80 jobs will be lost in the cutbacks, although 41 are already vacant posts.
Council leader Nigel Holdcroft said: “We no longer have any leeway and we have to make real cuts to services in order to balance our books - and that involves making some very hard choices.
“Some of the savings we are proposing won’t be popular with residents but I would ask them to bear in mind that this crisis was not of our making.”
The closure of Southend Pier on Mondays and Tuesdays between November 1 and April 1 will save £50,000 and ceasing to hold the popular air show, which brings hundreds of thousands of tourists to the town, will save a further £130,000.
Other cuts include £1.8million to adult and community services, £1.7million to children and learning, £1.3 to enterprise tourism and the environment, £794,000 to support services and £846,000 to the corporate department.
And austerity looks set to continue as government funding is expected to drop by a further 8.9 per cent - £6.834million – in 2014-15.
Mr Holdcroft said: “These difficult financial conditions are not going to improve any time soon and we will have further difficult decisions to make in years to come.
“We are determined not to make decisions on a short-term year-by-year basis and have already begun looking at how we can make major savings in service delivery going forward.
“We have to take a new approach to how we provide libraries, museums, leisure facilities, old people’s homes, children’s centres and waste services.”
For full details of the budget and analysis see Tuesday’s Echo.
Comments(164)
Max Impact
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5:14pm Mon 14 Jan 13
sjwilson
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5:14pm Mon 14 Jan 13
ChampKind
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5:17pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Elephantman2
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5:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13
BASILBRUSH
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5:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13
pendulum
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5:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Rob777
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5:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13
sjwilson
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5:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Granny Peddle
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5:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13
As for the rest, council tax goes up, council-funded services get cut. Great. I wonder if budgets for big dinners or unnecessary consultants on every possible project are affected? How about cancelling plans for a clifftop so-called museum (read: conference centre) that no one wants? That'd save some money, wouldn't it?
centi2005
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5:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Nebs
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5:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13
http://www.echo-news
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Shoebury_Cyclist
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5:28pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Eric Whim
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5:28pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Exiledwasp
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5:29pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Shoebury_Cyclist
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5:30pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Broadwaywatch
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5:38pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Max Impact wrote:Seems the Echo has taken your point on board and changed the picture.
Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton!
Rayleigh mum
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5:42pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Bet they won't win 2013 then.........
ridiculous cuts in all the wrong places. Shocking
SARFENDMAN
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5:42pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Max Impact
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5:45pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Broadwaywatch wrote:Should think so, they can be worse than a bike riders at the echo... Well prehaps not that bad!
Max Impact wrote:Seems the Echo has taken your point on board and changed the picture.
Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton!
Max Impact
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5:46pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
Move to margate they like your type down there.
sjwilson
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5:56pm Mon 14 Jan 13
g/petitions/southend
-council-don-t-cance
l-the-airshow
soul man
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6:02pm Mon 14 Jan 13
maxell
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6:12pm Mon 14 Jan 13
jayman
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6:13pm Mon 14 Jan 13
If the council where running the event properly then it would have been cost neutral.
they should have got some big sponsors in to fund the event.
Southend Tory council have a very narrow view for what companies to approach and how to sell a great event.
jantone
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6:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13
The airshow generated an absolute fortune, & now they have thrown the income down the drain!! I was always in favor of our fabulous council, but it has now lost all its credibility!!And as for putting council tax up, are they crazy? It was reported in the national press recently that Southend was the best town in England to move to, I don't agree now with this statement!!
beaulocks
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6:28pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Call it the easy genting adventure air show and get those three to sponsor it.
Trainman
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6:50pm Mon 14 Jan 13
It has always been said "You have to speculate, to accumulate." and Southend Council it seems have NEVER heard it.
jolllyboy
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6:57pm Mon 14 Jan 13
No Airshow - is this a broken promise by Easyjet - get what they want (as they were in it from the planning stage) and then let the town down.
maxell
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7:01pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Seasider90
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7:07pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Seasider90
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7:07pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Seasider90
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7:07pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Seasider90
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7:07pm Mon 14 Jan 13
sjwilson
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7:14pm Mon 14 Jan 13
rg/petitions/southen
d-council-don-t-canc
el-the-airshow
Please Sign.
EssexPerson
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7:20pm Mon 14 Jan 13
But its ok, we have a nice shiny new pointless museum costing £30m that most people don't want to look forward to. And a dying high street to stroll down.
Max Impact
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7:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13
maxell wrote:Money from building the Library comes from the capital funds and can NOT be spent on services.
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
How many times do people need telling.
Max Impact
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7:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13
jolllyboy wrote:forgot to say Easyjet said they would only sponsor the airshow for one year so it's not a broken promise.
Wrong priorities, to build a museum and a library which cost way too much when they knew we were in a recession and now to cut off the hand that feeds them by cutting back on the things some people (I dont know why) come to see. Also spending money on a stupid little so called 'culture' thing on the pier which is too small for purpose and is out of keeping with a pier of its era.
No Airshow - is this a broken promise by Easyjet - get what they want (as they were in it from the planning stage) and then let the town down.
Nebs
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7:34pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Leighdweller
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7:47pm Mon 14 Jan 13
GrumpyofLeigh
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7:47pm Mon 14 Jan 13
jayman
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7:54pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Max Impact wrote:and yet the overall financial position of the council is really, really bad. the council remain in debt to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds.
maxell wrote:Money from building the Library comes from the capital funds and can NOT be spent on services.
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
How many times do people need telling.
so it does not matter whether the capital or the current budgets are analysed. the council remains in massive debt.
Southend council need to maintain income generating events (like the air show)
The council also need to retract the capital expenditure to near on zero and restructure expenditure for front-line services.
firedog
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8:03pm Mon 14 Jan 13
jayman
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8:09pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Seasider90 wrote:we'll get on to the EU money burning machine in a moment.
We're told there is no money - yet the government gives millions away in foreign aid. No money yet we give billions to the EU. No money yet we're allowing millions of immigrants to exert extra pressure and costs on hospitals, schools and our world famous benefits system. No money yet half the new social housing is needed for immigrants. See the bigger picture? We need to get out of the EU NOW!
we are trying to deal with the Southend council money burning machine on this thread, LoL
essex_oracle
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8:18pm Mon 14 Jan 13
The reason is that the display teams get booked up at other venues, after masses of practice,maintenance & travelling globally to perform, it usually isn't possible to fit an extra performance in.
Such a shame.
essex_oracle
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8:19pm Mon 14 Jan 13
The reason is that the display teams get booked up at other venues, after masses of practice,maintenance & travelling globally to perform, it usually isn't possible to fit an extra performance in.
Such a shame.
andystringeruk
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8:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13
What sort of clever sod made this decision. Southend will be the new tilbury sea front next. U have lost the town great revenue for 2 days.
This is what u should of done in my eyes!
Just have a one day airshow and try to generate more sponsers.
Hope u lose your jobs and am pretty sure you will be voted out in the next election anyway.
Let's spend 20 million on a new libery that no will use apart for drug taking !
cheerful
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8:29pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Now we have a government that is looking for an easy way of saving money, so cutting back funding to councils and cutting jobs is the perfect answer for them, , NO such thing as cutting the millions and millions they give away in foreign aid to Countries that are using the money to build nuclear weapons. paying billions of money that WE the taxpayers cannot afford to be members of the EU. and without being a racist just a realist, isnt it time to restrict the benefit and privileges the immigrants receive from our health and housing services.charity begins at home.
Test Tickle
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8:37pm Mon 14 Jan 13
supershrimper
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8:38pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Broadwaywatch
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8:44pm Mon 14 Jan 13
maxell wrote:and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
Nebs
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8:51pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Broadwaywatch wrote:If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it.
maxell wrote:and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
jolllyboy
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8:56pm Mon 14 Jan 13
DogsMessInLeigh
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9:17pm Mon 14 Jan 13
asbo. just the truth
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9:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Max Impact
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9:52pm Mon 14 Jan 13
asbo. just the truth
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9:59pm Mon 14 Jan 13
AirShowTom
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10:02pm Mon 14 Jan 13
.com/SaveSouthendAir
Show
thamesboy
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10:08pm Mon 14 Jan 13
thamesboy
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10:09pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Broadwaywatch
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10:10pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Nebs wrote:Well said Nebs. Thank you
Broadwaywatch wrote:If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it.
maxell wrote:and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
ryanb1987
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10:12pm Mon 14 Jan 13
jantone
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10:14pm Mon 14 Jan 13
As for my comments regarding the cancellation of the airshow, I have written to southend council stating that they are running this town to the dogs.
sensiblelos
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10:29pm Mon 14 Jan 13
jayman
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10:37pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Max Impact wrote:the Tory economic policy as a metaphor is a man stuck in quicksand, cutting his legs of to save himself from the incoming tide. Alas he will not be able to out walk the tide with no legs and will bleed to death in any case.
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.
what we need is massive, focused, fast spending on areas that will generate sustainable international wealth with emerging markets, we need to raise taxes a little, cut any tax avoidance to zero and legislate heavily to close loop holes. we need to protect local wealth creation in small and medium businesses that show growth potential and above all.
continue with the key functions of government and act within the mandate that was sought in the last election.
Start paying MP's a fixed salary of £40,000 per annum.
pay councillors a salary of £24,000 (no moon lighting contract) that way our elected officials are not only servants but employees of the people..
parva glen
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10:59pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Shoebury_Cyclist
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11:01pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Max Impact wrote:Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
Move to margate they like your type down there.
Hahaha!
Thames Gateway
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11:05pm Mon 14 Jan 13
events.co.uk/event.p
hp?eventid=17
Does anyone know how much SBC pays for the firework display every year, (that are also meant to bring in vast numbers to the town, but in reality are largely just for the natives of Southend). Has it been considered to cancel the firework displays? Have the local population been consulted about what would be the best way for this sum of money to be saved from the budgets?
andy42
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11:06pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Max Impact
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11:11pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:At least I OWN my own house.
Max Impact wrote:Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
Move to margate they like your type down there.
Hahaha!
Renting is for the poor.
really?
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11:25pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Surely you would need to slash the budget by the same amount you are losing out?
Andycal 172D
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11:34pm Mon 14 Jan 13
Max Impact wrote:Whilst it may well come from the Capital Budgets, Southend Council is massively in debt. So all it is doing is BORROWING their part of the capital for the projects which causes interest and capital repayment charges to the REVENUE Budget which, no doubt, massively outweigh the paltry savings they make by closing the pier part-time and scrapping the airshow.
maxell wrote:Money from building the Library comes from the capital funds and can NOT be spent on services.
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
How many times do people need telling.
However, as has been hinted so vociferously, IF the airshow makes so much money for the seafront traders, surely they can afford to stump up the cost of putting it on?
And by the way, as this was the only time we got really large numbers of tourists on the seafront, may we please now have our proper road back and lose the hyper-expensive shared space?
Letmetryagain
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11:36pm Mon 14 Jan 13
So many organizations relied on it for fund raising.
So I suppose it's now either, Clacton, Manston or Eastbourne ?
Shoebury_Cyclist
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12:00am Tue 15 Jan 13
Max Impact wrote:I own my place too. What's your point?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:At least I OWN my own house.
Max Impact wrote:Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
Move to margate they like your type down there.
Hahaha!
Renting is for the poor.
Poor wickle maxy-waxy, throwing his toys out the pram because he can't watcha big airyplanes.
Hahaha!
Nebs
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12:12am Tue 15 Jan 13
http://www.southend.
gov.uk/news/article/
1011/201314_council_
budget
The Council is also pushing forward with a capital programme which will deliver improved facilities and boost growth locally.
These include:
a four-year programme of repairs to paths, roads and tracks within Southend's parks
restoration of the Borough's war memorials to repair damage caused by acid rain and the salty coastal environment
the expansion of child care places for two-year-olds
capital investment to support the Council's Short Breaks programme for disabled children
£4.5m of sea defence works
£2.13m of improvements to the Kent Elms, Bell Corner and Tesco roundabout junctions on the A127 and
£500,000 investment towards making Southend a "wireless borough"
.
Forgive me, but I don't see how any of these items will boost growth locally.
echoforum
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1:35am Tue 15 Jan 13
M Brijlall
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1:47am Tue 15 Jan 13
emcee
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2:08am Tue 15 Jan 13
Big savings can be made by not spending six figure sums (or more) yearly on overly expensive temp staff. Also, by not paying council management such obscene salaries. This council would have more credibility if they started saving from the top down rather than the bottom up. Try sacking a few higher managers that surplus to requirements, rather than move them sideways into other "created job titles". Giving the other high paid staff a pay cut. If they do not like it perhaps they could always try and find a job elsewhere. I bet they will soon find out which side their bread is buttered if forced into that position.
Many of the towns multi million pound building projects could, also, be put on hold. After all, the council allow other developers to put their projects on hold, don't they?
Southend council can quite easily save millions at the drop of a hat but by doing so the decision makers need to put the people of the town first and not themselves.
LisaWOS
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2:53am Tue 15 Jan 13
I have so many memories from the Airshow, ranging from the first one that I went to with my parents, the one as a 16 yr old with my school friends (taking photos of Philip Schofields bum), first one with college friends that we spent on the roof of the Esplanade pub, the one where some Raf guys were pretending I was chatting to the pilots flying past on a radio (realised they were on the roof of the army van when they asked us to flash our boobies), the one where I ended up dating an Raf guy, the ones with my own children - even in the rain!
God I'm so upset that it's been cancelled!
I am also worried about the £1.7m children and education cut! I'm so fed up with this country! So fed up with it! Wish we had the money to wave goodbye as really there isn't very much that's GREAT about BRITAIN!!!!!
Firestormgjc
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8:22am Tue 15 Jan 13
emcee wrote:Err,,have you read the article in full, or this mornings echo
£130,000 seems a drop in the ocean comapred to what they need to save and so seems a bit silly to headline the fact that they are only going to be saving such a small amount by scrapping the airshow. Don't get me wrong, I am not bothered the airshow has been scrapped. After all, I gave up on it when it ceased being a decent airshow eons ago. What I do get angry about, though, is that the council make all these silly little savings here and there when there are easily larger savings to be made elsewhere. However,the council seem reluctant to do so. Call me cynical but I cannot help thinking that this is because the people who make these decisions and manage our services have their own self interests to think about. Big savings can be made by not spending six figure sums (or more) yearly on overly expensive temp staff. Also, by not paying council management such obscene salaries. This council would have more credibility if they started saving from the top down rather than the bottom up. Try sacking a few higher managers that surplus to requirements, rather than move them sideways into other "created job titles". Giving the other high paid staff a pay cut. If they do not like it perhaps they could always try and find a job elsewhere. I bet they will soon find out which side their bread is buttered if forced into that position. Many of the towns multi million pound building projects could, also, be put on hold. After all, the council allow other developers to put their projects on hold, don't they? Southend council can quite easily save millions at the drop of a hat but by doing so the decision makers need to put the people of the town first and not themselves.
1.7M cut from Childrens services 1.8M cut from Adult services, 80 posts going of which 41 were currently vacant (that'll be why they were employing "temps") and all the staff are on a wage freeze (and have been for two years now).
If the airshow was such a money spinner then one will assume all those making the money will have no qualms about clubbing together the meet the 130k, the bulk of which is policing costs.
The Childrens services were, after last years Ofsted report, one of the top 5 boroughs in the country at protecting Children , They may well find that hard to maintain after these cuts.
maxell
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8:32am Tue 15 Jan 13
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:I used to fire profesional fireworks and the going rate about 8 years ago was an estimated £1000 per minuite
Max Impact wrote:Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
Move to margate they like your type down there.
Hahaha!
SUFC1906
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8:53am Tue 15 Jan 13
Shoebury_Cyclist
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9:00am Tue 15 Jan 13
maxell wrote:Well gosh, and erm, so what? Is that why you have a fetish for planes? Is that you who parks up at the end of the runway, steaming up your car windows as you get 'excited' at the planes landing and taking off?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:I used to fire profesional fireworks and the going rate about 8 years ago was an estimated £1000 per minuite
Max Impact wrote:Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
Move to margate they like your type down there.
Hahaha!
pussycatpurrs
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9:09am Tue 15 Jan 13
maxell
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9:10am Tue 15 Jan 13
Nebs
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9:25am Tue 15 Jan 13
maxell wrote:But what about all the money the airport is bringing into the local economy.
How can the council state that the airport is needed for tourism and that is what is needed, southend & rochford council are resposible for deverting millions of out of the economy, southend = everything bad for the shoppers, parking lack of outlets, airport retail park looks set to close as well , "the airport want the land", airport boasting x amout of flights out, all taking money from the economy, the latest money looser will be flights to manchester from southend, for £20 or near as, a direct bus route to the chaford center on the No 8 bus, thats as cheap as going to blue water or lakeside , when you consider traffic hold up caused by abismal saddlers farm road works, tail backs on the M25 and increasing toll fees and your fuel, it will be cheaper to go to one of the biggest cenetrs in the UK, I think the councils are now realising that they are responsible for the bigget blunder in their political carees, as I said earlier they have sold you all down the line and have become sacrificial lambs to the stobart gods, I am ashamed of you all.
Carnabackable
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9:28am Tue 15 Jan 13
maxell wrote:Tut tut, these are the times we live in, the airport is a real asset, as the web and on-line shopping grows and grows, the need and desire to go down to the shops diminish.
How can the council state that the airport is needed for tourism and that is what is needed, southend & rochford council are resposible for deverting millions of out of the economy, southend = everything bad for the shoppers, parking lack of outlets, airport retail park looks set to close as well , "the airport want the land", airport boasting x amout of flights out, all taking money from the economy, the latest money looser will be flights to manchester from southend, for £20 or near as, a direct bus route to the chaford center on the No 8 bus, thats as cheap as going to blue water or lakeside , when you consider traffic hold up caused by abismal saddlers farm road works, tail backs on the M25 and increasing toll fees and your fuel, it will be cheaper to go to one of the biggest cenetrs in the UK, I think the councils are now realising that they are responsible for the bigget blunder in their political carees, as I said earlier they have sold you all down the line and have become sacrificial lambs to the stobart gods, I am ashamed of you all.
The air show has had it's day, end of.
The Pier with it's lack of entertainment, could do with closing for 5 months of the year. As for the woes you freely give us, remember to realise what and where we are, and thus we will learn to cut and trim, as time passes and demand from walk in customers lessen, we will begin to realise the need for we all thought was a necessity, develop into a distant memory. One day all shopping will be done via the web, the horrendous shopping malls, will be flattened, with parks,lakes and trees returning.
pullhispantsoff
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10:02am Tue 15 Jan 13
.......this is so true
J_blond
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10:07am Tue 15 Jan 13
Also, the roads schemes are funded by government grants, given specifically for that work. It does not make up the council's operating budget, so again, the A127 improvements have no bearing on the council's position whether they go ahead or not.
Saying that - the airshow does bring a lot of people to Southend. A couple of years ago you couldn't walk down the seafront at all! £130,000 is a small price to pay for an event that brings thousands to the town, and tourists spend...
J_blond
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10:44am Tue 15 Jan 13
pullhispantsoff wrote:When the Tories came in, there were two options - turn a blind eye to the mess the country was in, which would cause the UK to be bankrupt, or make cuts here, there and everywhere to try and move us back to a stable footing financially.
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.............. .......this is so true
Both were no-win situations in terms of public thinking, but in order to save the country, sacrifices need to be made. If Labour had been responsible, we wouldn't need the cuts.
Put it this way, it's either a few businesses going under, a few (thousand I admit) jobs, or a lot of businesses going under with the loss of millions of jobs.
Shoebury_Cyclist
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10:46am Tue 15 Jan 13
pullhispantsoff wrote:No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7.
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge..............
.......this is so true
http://johannhari.co
m/2011/03/29/the-big
gest-lie-in-british-
politics/
Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie:
http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/ramesh-p
atel/growth-cameron-
austerity_b_2007552.
html
Shoebury_Cyclist
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10:46am Tue 15 Jan 13
J_blond wrote:No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7.
pullhispantsoff wrote:When the Tories came in, there were two options - turn a blind eye to the mess the country was in, which would cause the UK to be bankrupt, or make cuts here, there and everywhere to try and move us back to a stable footing financially.
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.............. .......this is so true
Both were no-win situations in terms of public thinking, but in order to save the country, sacrifices need to be made. If Labour had been responsible, we wouldn't need the cuts.
Put it this way, it's either a few businesses going under, a few (thousand I admit) jobs, or a lot of businesses going under with the loss of millions of jobs.
http://johannhari.co
m/2011/03/29/the-big
gest-lie-in-british-
politics/
Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie:
http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/ramesh-p
atel/growth-cameron-
austerity_b_2007552.
html
mrttev
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11:36am Tue 15 Jan 13
Alice in Her Own Land :P
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11:54am Tue 15 Jan 13
Max Impact wrote:The photo of Clacton is obviously used to make Southend Air-Show better than it actually Is! It's well past it's sell by date, so time for new attractions for the Sea Front. It has become nothing more than a few kites in the sky, and a load of tat on the ground.
Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton!
J_blond
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11:55am Tue 15 Jan 13
sjwilson
says...
12:39pm Tue 15 Jan 13
https://www.change.o
rg/petitions/southen
d-council-don-t-canc
el-the-airshow
Shoebury_Cyclist
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12:51pm Tue 15 Jan 13
sjwilson wrote:No.
Sign My Petition to Save Southend Airshow.
https://www.change.o
rg/petitions/southen
d-council-don-t-canc
el-the-airshow
Ossiett
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12:51pm Tue 15 Jan 13
asbo. just the truth
says...
1:02pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:you joker. we already discredited this article on another story where you confessed your mistrust of blogs by nobodies. so what is it you post...a blog by a nobody.
pullhispantsoff wrote:No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7.
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge..............
.......this is so true
http://johannhari.co
m/2011/03/29/the-big
gest-lie-in-british-
politics/
Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie:
http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/ramesh-p
atel/growth-cameron-
austerity_b_2007552.
html
wonder why our crisis was worse than the rest of the g7...gordon bust giving the green light to the casino banks to stick it all on red. our plight is entirely labour's fault.
Shoebury_Cyclist
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1:18pm Tue 15 Jan 13
asbo. just the truth wrote:Cobblers. You discredited nothing, just refused to acknowledge the truth that the tories are lying through their teeth. And ignorant mugs like you are lapping it up.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:you joker. we already discredited this article on another story where you confessed your mistrust of blogs by nobodies. so what is it you post...a blog by a nobody.
pullhispantsoff wrote:No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7.
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge..............
.......this is so true
http://johannhari.co
m/2011/03/29/the-big
gest-lie-in-british-
politics/
Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie:
http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/ramesh-p
atel/growth-cameron-
austerity_b_2007552.
html
wonder why our crisis was worse than the rest of the g7...gordon bust giving the green light to the casino banks to stick it all on red. our plight is entirely labour's fault.
WhateverS
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1:19pm Tue 15 Jan 13
If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up
Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket
No thought not
asbo. just the truth
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1:26pm Tue 15 Jan 13
J_blond wrote:dear voters, i propose a policy of spend, spend and spend a bit more. then get the imf in. whoops the imf won't have any cash then either. signed ed balls
Ok fair enough, so can you tell me what the best measure is to get the country back on its feet after the global economic crisis of 2008 / 2009?
shoeburyden
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1:29pm Tue 15 Jan 13
museum not viable, why should people come to southend to see a white elephant, although it will be free entry. thats £35ml
library we have a perfecly good one it just needs to be modernised. thats another £20ml
the sea defence at shoebury common, not needed for another 30 years, by then there will be better ways to defend aginst the sea, the cash for this is coming from the enviroment aency, i can see this being misused for other projects,
Public Inconvenience
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1:34pm Tue 15 Jan 13
NatalieSayer
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1:35pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport.
They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds.
Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed
asbo. just the truth
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1:36pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:haha you could fit his knowledge of economics onto a square of andrex no make that a soiled square of andrex. the public sector bloat of which you were so patently a beneficiary is now being managed accordingly.
asbo. just the truth wrote:Cobblers. You discredited nothing, just refused to acknowledge the truth that the tories are lying through their teeth. And ignorant mugs like you are lapping it up.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:you joker. we already discredited this article on another story where you confessed your mistrust of blogs by nobodies. so what is it you post...a blog by a nobody.
pullhispantsoff wrote:No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7.
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge..............
.......this is so true
http://johannhari.co
m/2011/03/29/the-big
gest-lie-in-british-
politics/
Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie:
http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/ramesh-p
atel/growth-cameron-
austerity_b_2007552.
html
wonder why our crisis was worse than the rest of the g7...gordon bust giving the green light to the casino banks to stick it all on red. our plight is entirely labour's fault.
shoeburyden
says...
1:39pm Tue 15 Jan 13
jand everytime a loaded JKS lorry leaves the cliffs site thats £140
INNER LONDON we should reclaim all of there sites as they are playing the property market and leaving ugly sites, i am sure with the £35ml saving from the museum, the council could get a developer to build some affordable houses
j-w
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1:45pm Tue 15 Jan 13
NatalieSayer wrote:What rubbish, where are your facts for this? I would love Stobart and easyjet to take a stand against idiots who post unsubstantiated rubbish about them on public boards.
It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests.
Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport.
They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds.
Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed
The airshow would not cause any problem to the operation of the airport.
None of the performing aircraft would need to use the airport at all but some chose to base there during the weekend of the display.
Clacton has a very good show but no airport.
southend_Dave
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1:46pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Alice in Her Own Land :P wrote:Every time I go there its absolutely packed and theres no other event that brings so many people to the seafront.
Max Impact wrote:The photo of Clacton is obviously used to make Southend Air-Show better than it actually Is! It's well past it's sell by date, so time for new attractions for the Sea Front. It has become nothing more than a few kites in the sky, and a load of tat on the ground.
Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton!
People obviously enjoy those "kites"
Broadwaywatch
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1:54pm Tue 15 Jan 13
shoeburyden wrote:Is the cafe in Warrior Square open yet?
some other wasted projects, the culture centre at the end of the pier, best part of a million wasted, a cafe that seats 20 inside, a room with very expensive photos, the council want to change its name because nobody goes there, i can think of a few.
jand everytime a loaded JKS lorry leaves the cliffs site thats £140
INNER LONDON we should reclaim all of there sites as they are playing the property market and leaving ugly sites, i am sure with the £35ml saving from the museum, the council could get a developer to build some affordable houses
Whenever I have looked its seems to be empty. Perhaps its just a summer thing and I am expecting too much. Mind you it would have been nice to have sat in there and watched the seasons unfolding.
shoeburyden
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2:01pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Shrimpers Not Blues
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2:21pm Tue 15 Jan 13
The airshow fills the seafront for one weekend a year and bring in much needed trade.
Closing the Pier for 2 days a week is nonsense as well. The council have never realised the potential of the Pier. Any where else "The Worlds Longest Pier" would be utilised to the max. Instead we get a pre-fab box plonked on the end....sorry a cultural centre... each time I've been down there it's empty and closed. Come on Council wake up and smell something!!!! Or stand aside and let people who care about the town take control.
r6keith
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2:51pm Tue 15 Jan 13
thamesboy wrote:I do not like the choices made but be realistic how much revenue will really be lost on a Monday and Tuesday during those cold wet winter months ?
What a disgrace !!!! This ridiculous council really needs to look inwards at its own house rather than cutting 2 days of huge revenue generation for the towns seafront traders, not to mention the RNLI shop at the end of the pier which will lose 52 days trading,revenue which is vital to them!!! The folly of repainting and revising the layout of seafront parking !!! The SPY car, the library on the cliffs and these are just the ones we know of !!!!! Wake up council, these 2 institutions are great adverts Southend !!! Get rid of Holdcroft next time Leigh residents !!!!
Nutter_Alan
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3:24pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Idiots! The lot of 'em
J_blond
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3:50pm Tue 15 Jan 13
shoeburyden wrote:First, where did you get £20 million from for the library? Southend Council is putting in £12 million.
so lets find some cutbacks. museum not viable, why should people come to southend to see a white elephant, although it will be free entry. thats £35ml library we have a perfecly good one it just needs to be modernised. thats another £20ml the sea defence at shoebury common, not needed for another 30 years, by then there will be better ways to defend aginst the sea, the cash for this is coming from the enviroment aency, i can see this being misused for other projects,
Secondly, it's a partner in a three-way project with the University of Essex and South Essex College. The project has already started, building work is underway. It can't just pull out can it!
Thirdly - although I'm not an expert, I'm sure the money has already been budgeted, and is therefore not part of the council's operational costs.
Those moaning about the cost of City Beach as well - remember that was part of the government grant for the 'Better Southend' project, again, not linked to the council budget.
Keptquiettillnow
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4:07pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Save the Airshow
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4:44pm Tue 15 Jan 13
com/SaveAirshowSouth
end
sjwilson
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5:22pm Tue 15 Jan 13
rg/petitions/southen
d-council-don-t-canc
el-the-airshow
spencer123
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5:49pm Tue 15 Jan 13
sensiblelos wrote:well said
the residents of Southend have an easyjet airshow everyday, southend airport/easyjet now dominates the sky, is it any surprise now that all permissions have been granted by Southend Council that the proper airshow has stopped. Of course Southend Council now make money out of the Airport so they do exactly what they are told , when the Airport state that the airspace is restricted everything stops..the residents have exactly what they wished for an airshow everyday....
spencer123
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6:02pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Broadwaywatch wrote:i did buy a house under the flight path and yes i can complain, as when i brought my house 20 years ago, there was nothing in my deeds or searches to say that the airport could or would be extended and i did not realise also that my taxes would pay for the new road to make the runway possible or the JAAP which was not worth the paper it was written on. If the council do not have the money, they cannot wave a magic wand and produce it, the whole country has to make cut backs, its not going to suit everyone, but apparently now the runway has been extended, this is going to bring business to southend, i wont hold my breath. Perhaps the council should start looking at what will bring people to southend all year round and not just two days of the year
Nebs wrote:Well said Nebs. Thank you
Broadwaywatch wrote:If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it.
maxell wrote:and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
sensiblelos
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6:08pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Essex Medja
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6:30pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Broadwaywatch
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7:15pm Tue 15 Jan 13
spencer123 wrote:To be fair I think Nebs was only agreeing with what I had to say about the footpath and was using the statement about those who bought 'houses under the flight path' by way and means of turning around previous quotes regarding the footpath situation. It came across to me as being aimed and rightly so, at the Airport not at you or those others who have property under the flight path.
Broadwaywatch wrote:i did buy a house under the flight path and yes i can complain, as when i brought my house 20 years ago, there was nothing in my deeds or searches to say that the airport could or would be extended and i did not realise also that my taxes would pay for the new road to make the runway possible or the JAAP which was not worth the paper it was written on. If the council do not have the money, they cannot wave a magic wand and produce it, the whole country has to make cut backs, its not going to suit everyone, but apparently now the runway has been extended, this is going to bring business to southend, i wont hold my breath. Perhaps the council should start looking at what will bring people to southend all year round and not just two days of the year
Nebs wrote:Well said Nebs. Thank you
Broadwaywatch wrote:If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it.
maxell wrote:and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
Shoebury_Cyclist
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7:24pm Tue 15 Jan 13
shoeburyden wrote:I didn't. There's an easy way to remember who to vote for:
we are all to blame, it seems we have voted in a dictatorship
Never, ever, trust a Tory.
Shoebury_Cyclist
says...
7:28pm Tue 15 Jan 13
NatalieSayer wrote:Sssshhhh, that truth will explode Max Impact's head. Hahaha!
It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests.
Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport.
They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds.
Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed
firedog
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8:05pm Tue 15 Jan 13
WhateverS wrote:At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?
Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people
If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up
Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket
No thought not
I love Essex
says...
8:31pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Broadwaywatch
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9:27pm Tue 15 Jan 13
I love Essex wrote:on what you comment then perhaps its Easy Jets intention to offer a rescue package at the last moment there by gaining community praise. Just a thought
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
Broadwaywatch
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9:27pm Tue 15 Jan 13
I love Essex wrote:on what you comment then perhaps its Easy Jets intention to offer a rescue package at the last moment there by gaining community praise. Just a thought
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
sensiblelos
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9:53pm Tue 15 Jan 13
dr de ath
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9:57pm Tue 15 Jan 13
It amazes me this drivel has lasted so long...what's the attraction of these flying killing machines?
Even the red arrows cant be bothered.
Letmetryagain
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10:12pm Tue 15 Jan 13
dr de ath wrote:Have you ever visited the planet Earth ?
The air show...or as my daughter so succinctly put it 'the **** in the sky'. The annual feast of clapped out useless relics, watched by sad deluded spotters and wasters.
It amazes me this drivel has lasted so long...what's the attraction of these flying killing machines?
Even the red arrows cant be bothered.
Why advertise your, and your daughter's ignorance to the world ?
Major Incident
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10:31pm Tue 15 Jan 13
thamesboy
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11:20pm Tue 15 Jan 13
r6keith wrote:I disagree totally, the amount lost would be approx £ 5000, this is enough to train up 4 crew members a year and the more trained lifeboat crew the more chance they have of saving lives ! That's being realistic
thamesboy wrote:I do not like the choices made but be realistic how much revenue will really be lost on a Monday and Tuesday during those cold wet winter months ?
What a disgrace !!!! This ridiculous council really needs to look inwards at its own house rather than cutting 2 days of huge revenue generation for the towns seafront traders, not to mention the RNLI shop at the end of the pier which will lose 52 days trading,revenue which is vital to them!!! The folly of repainting and revising the layout of seafront parking !!! The SPY car, the library on the cliffs and these are just the ones we know of !!!!! Wake up council, these 2 institutions are great adverts Southend !!! Get rid of Holdcroft next time Leigh residents !!!!
Cassiejanewhite
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11:45pm Tue 15 Jan 13
jayman
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11:48pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Major Incident wrote:yep, but the saving is massively offset by orange and white generic abominations that arrive and depart from Southend airport.
Has anyone worked out how much Southend's carbon footprint will be reduced each year by cancelling the airshow?
jayman
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11:55pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Essex Medja wrote:sounds like a comment from the bowels of a person who works in PR.
I agree with sensiblelos, if this event is such a money making scheme then let those businesses who benefit pay. Southend is neither a tourist mecca nor is it the main industry and hasn't been for decades. It is a dormitory town and the majority commute and work in other sectors. We have to get away from pandering to the golden mile "kiss me quick" influence and move into the real world. As to attracting visditors to spend money in local shops, the internet will completely kill of the high street in about 10 years, if not sooner. What will SBC startegy be for the next decade?
mrjames1972
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12:25am Wed 16 Jan 13
com/SaveAirshowSouth
end
Essex Medja
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12:29am Wed 16 Jan 13
jayman wrote:Oh very adult. Is that the best you can come up with!!!
Essex Medja wrote:sounds like a comment from the bowels of a person who works in PR.
I agree with sensiblelos, if this event is such a money making scheme then let those businesses who benefit pay. Southend is neither a tourist mecca nor is it the main industry and hasn't been for decades. It is a dormitory town and the majority commute and work in other sectors. We have to get away from pandering to the golden mile "kiss me quick" influence and move into the real world. As to attracting visditors to spend money in local shops, the internet will completely kill of the high street in about 10 years, if not sooner. What will SBC startegy be for the next decade?
Nebs
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9:22am Wed 16 Jan 13
firedog wrote:I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2.
WhateverS wrote:At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?
Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people
If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up
Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket
No thought not
ccd
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10:18am Wed 16 Jan 13
Jamama
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11:52am Wed 16 Jan 13
dr de ath wrote:YEAH MAN Eurofighter, Lynx Heli... +
The air show...or as my daughter so succinctly put it 'the **** in the sky'. The annual feast of clapped out useless relics, watched by sad deluded spotters and wasters.
It amazes me this drivel has lasted so long...what's the attraction of these flying killing machines?
Even the red arrows cant be bothered.
ofc they are relics
Piersight
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12:09pm Wed 16 Jan 13
sjwilson wrote:Looks like they’re cutting a few jobs, but the chief exec still gets more for trying to run Southend than the Prime Minister gets for trying to run the country.
Are they Crazy? Out of touch council, why not sack a few councillors instead of denying people the joy of the airshow?
Piersight
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12:25pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Jamama
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1:04pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Piersight wrote:Its actually stobart who run the airport who said no to the airshow.
sjwilson wrote:Looks like they’re cutting a few jobs, but the chief exec still gets more for trying to run Southend than the Prime Minister gets for trying to run the country.
Are they Crazy? Out of touch council, why not sack a few councillors instead of denying people the joy of the airshow?
Baker-Boy
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1:28pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Nebs wrote:im sorry but how do you pay for an event in the sky? you could watch from most places in southend
firedog wrote:I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2.WhateverS wrote: Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket No thought notAt last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?
Hannah Foster
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2:34pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Test Tickle wrote:Nearly wet my knickers when I read this contributors name. Look forward to hearing more from him ( I presume)!
R.I.P Southend, you got your Airport which makes a few people a lot of money and lost your airshow that generated cash for many, can any of you put your hand on your heart and say Southend council are working for the good of the residents of the town and are fit for purpose?
Hannah Foster
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2:45pm Wed 16 Jan 13
NatalieSayer wrote:Good point. But it seems the big guy always wins. Who really benefits from the airport anyway apart from a few holiday makers off to booze it up in the arse end of Europe? Stobart of course and Easy Jet and the like (and their shareholders). The noise and stink of aviation fuel and traffic problems are just tough luck for the residents who pay the wages of the council. Poor old Southend, the council are doing everything humanly possible to run it into the ground and turn it into ghost town by the sea.
It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests.
Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport.
They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds.
Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed
Hannah Foster
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2:53pm Wed 16 Jan 13
I love Essex wrote:Well said!
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
spencer123
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3:05pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Hannah Foster wrote:even if they did, what about next years, do u really think that the country and councils will sort themselves out by then!! this is an on going problem that will take years to rectify
I love Essex wrote:Well said!
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
A Pedant
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3:14pm Wed 16 Jan 13
It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests.
Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport.
They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds.
Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed
I am not disputing this as I simply don't know the answer, however, are you sure of your 'facts' here as it seems odd, if not unlikely, that Stobarts would have that level of influence (despite what Jayman and Shoebury Tricyclist imply). They may have refused to make space available for participating planes, however, I wouldn't have thought that the entire airshow would have been reliant on Stobarts' approval.
Essex Medja
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4:27pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Nebs wrote:Good for you, so only another £129,998 to go !!!!
firedog wrote:I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2.
WhateverS wrote:At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?
Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people
If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up
Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket
No thought not
j-w
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4:52pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Hannah Foster
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4:57pm Wed 16 Jan 13
spencer123 wrote:It will take years to rectify if the powers that be continue on their current arse about face trajectory. If however they engage their brains we could see a much more satisfactory outcome. It seems that the actual citizens take second place to just about every hairbrained vanity project that the council and government can come up with. Most people using the airport drive or take the train to the airport, fly off and then come back, jump into their car/train and clear off. When the airshow is on people come for the day, eat, drink, shop and make use of the various leisure activities. It puts the town no the map. We need more of this type of thing. I have noticed that most of the tempting bargain air fares that were about in the early days of the airport expansion have dried up. Why? Well because the bosses have got what they wanted so to he'll with the locals.
Hannah Foster wrote:even if they did, what about next years, do u really think that the country and councils will sort themselves out by then!! this is an on going problem that will take years to rectify
I love Essex wrote:Well said!
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
Hannah Foster
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4:58pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Hannah Foster wrote:That'll be hell rather than he will!
spencer123 wrote:It will take years to rectify if the powers that be continue on their current arse about face trajectory. If however they engage their brains we could see a much more satisfactory outcome. It seems that the actual citizens take second place to just about every hairbrained vanity project that the council and government can come up with. Most people using the airport drive or take the train to the airport, fly off and then come back, jump into their car/train and clear off. When the airshow is on people come for the day, eat, drink, shop and make use of the various leisure activities. It puts the town no the map. We need more of this type of thing. I have noticed that most of the tempting bargain air fares that were about in the early days of the airport expansion have dried up. Why? Well because the bosses have got what they wanted so to he'll with the locals.
Hannah Foster wrote:even if they did, what about next years, do u really think that the country and councils will sort themselves out by then!! this is an on going problem that will take years to rectify
I love Essex wrote:Well said!
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
andy:)
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5:56pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Baker-Boy wrote:They used to charge to watch from certain areas like the Cliffs and put screens up in other areas so you couldnt see.
Nebs wrote:im sorry but how do you pay for an event in the sky? you could watch from most places in southend
firedog wrote:I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2.WhateverS wrote: Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket No thought notAt last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?
I think dropping the show is a dumb idea and typical of Tory shortsightedness, cut everything they cry and save a few quid without thinking of the wider impact.
They will save £130K, yet the show brings in £10 million, how stupid can they be !. this week's failings of HMV and Blockbuster show that high street footfall is very important.
Still, we know who not to vote for come the elections, for too long this area has voted for any idiot in blue rossette, in local and government elections, some people would vote for a monkey if he was dressed in blue, how else can you explain the election of David Ames, the most useless Mp ever.
Andy
HadleighBoy
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10:51am Thu 17 Jan 13
Also yes why not approiach easyjet and the other users of Southend Airport and get them to sponsor it. I do not think an admission charge will work as there are so many places that you can watch for free.
Loopeyprincess
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11:10am Thu 17 Jan 13
Essex Medja
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5:29pm Thu 17 Jan 13
They will save £130K, yet the show brings in £10 million, how stupid can they be !.
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Well why don't you pop round to your bank and borrow the £130k with the potential of the £10 million return on investment as collateral, then you can repay the loan from the profts.
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No, i thought not.
spencer123
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6:16pm Thu 17 Jan 13
Loopeyprincess wrote:its all very well, but if they do not have the money to pay for it, they cant.
I think it's stupid, it brings lots of new people to Southend, it's good trade for other shops and it is a free family day out. Why build a 10 screen cinema that we don't need and scrap something everyone enjoys? They certainly aren't going to win council of the year this year that's for sure
everyone seems to forget if its raining on the day it simply doesn't bring the amount of visitors and as previously stated it for 2 days of the year, how about trying to bring visitors all year round, the failing high street, the bad road structure, there are plenty of otherthings even if the council had the money to spend it on, how about cutting the rates and trying to make people want to open a business here, making the high street interesting with different shops that somewhere like Lakeside doesn't have., instead of opening endless £ shops, the high street is dying, this is an all year round attraction, we can all moan, but this will not be the last of the cut backs as the country is in such a bad state.
Jamama
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3:04pm Fri 18 Jan 13
it was Stobart who isn't allowing the air show to go ahead.
firedog
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4:54pm Fri 18 Jan 13
Jamama wrote:How do you know that,or is it just another fact plucked from the air,like the 10.million it makes.but I suppose if you object to the airport,then blame
All these comments are so dumb...
it was Stobart who isn't allowing the air show to go ahead.
Stobarts.
Keptquiettillnow
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4:42pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Save the Airshow
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5:52pm Sun 20 Jan 13
com/SaveAirshowSouth
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5:09pm Mon 14 Jan 13