Legal bid launched to tackle 1,000 boy racer rally (From Echo)

Peter245 wrote:
and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Instead of running to the courts seeking injunctions; perhaps SBC should be *promoting* these (and other) kinds of event!

andy:) wrote:
So no a single comment supporting SBC. I too, find this very worrying, an injunction to ban unspecified persons for an unspecified reason, Big Brother anyone ? I agree with the post above, what is the difference between this and other organised rallies such as cabbies and bikers, both of which have support and are widely featured in the Echo, etc. What exactly are the reasons for the injunction, I see mention of noise and overcrowding..but that sums up the seafront most weekends, especially in the summer months, surely SBC should be attracting people to the town, not threatening them with legal action, after the collapse of the airshow, does SNC want Southend to become a ghost town with no visiters ? Southend seafront has always been the place to meet and show off your car since I was a small kid, yes, clearly there were some incidents of idiots speeding, but the redesign of the Seafront has pretty much done away with this risk. Shame on you SBC, lets hope people are taking note of all your failures and the same Tories are not voted in again. Andy

Noteworthy wrote:

andy:) wrote:
So no a single comment supporting SBC. I too, find this very worrying, an injunction to ban unspecified persons for an unspecified reason, Big Brother anyone ? I agree with the post above, what is the difference between this and other organised rallies such as cabbies and bikers, both of which have support and are widely featured in the Echo, etc. What exactly are the reasons for the injunction, I see mention of noise and overcrowding..but that sums up the seafront most weekends, especially in the summer months, surely SBC should be attracting people to the town, not threatening them with legal action, after the collapse of the airshow, does SNC want Southend to become a ghost town with no visiters ? Southend seafront has always been the place to meet and show off your car since I was a small kid, yes, clearly there were some incidents of idiots speeding, but the redesign of the Seafront has pretty much done away with this risk. Shame on you SBC, lets hope people are taking note of all your failures and the same Tories are not voted in again. Andy

You will get those who do the burnouts outside the casino etc. But the last time there was a massive meet like this, the police drove up and down, and a couple of officers just stood there, soon stopped!

Like I said, the odd idiot, but 99.9% of people who go are responsible.

And agree, why do other events get welcomed?

Peter245 wrote:
and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another

MISSZC wrote:
I'm confused....??? Do they do this for the Bank Holiday Motorbike Event? No. Do they do this for the Black Cabs event? No. Can't understand why it's such a problem as local businesses benefit from these events. FYI it's not just 'BOY' racers, they are actually a fraction of the people that attend these events. It's more car enthusiasts and beleive it or not women and families that attend! SC should embrace it, maybe the few problems there are (no more than at SC approved events) could be prevented by coorperation from local authorities. Just a thought! From a 'GIRL' car enthusiast.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:
and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another

Shame you don't know the rules regarding illegal parking then. The last time this lot turned up they were parked dangerously all over Western Esplanade.

mys842 wrote:
I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote: and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another

Shame you don't know the rules regarding illegal parking then. The last time this lot turned up they were parked dangerously all over Western Esplanade.

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote: and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another

Shame you don't know the rules regarding illegal parking then. The last time this lot turned up they were parked dangerously all over Western Esplanade.

A POST ALMOST IN SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL,, OH YEAH IT S ANTI CAR.

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself:

http://youtu.be/UM81


di0u7DU
No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.

Peter245 wrote:

mys842 wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!

There are only a few that ruin social events for the rest, but if the council spent the time and money on policing this event rather than wasting time trying to stop it, then all would be fine. I'm sure you have a hobby/interest, and if you were told you wasn't allowed to ENJOY your hobby with others, then you would be annoyed.

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:
Yet again our council loses out to our rivals namely brighton, they keep the brighton festival we lose the airshow, they have a pier worth a visit we have a cultral center, they have the speed festival we have an injunction banning people from coming here. I think it is time the council look to new ideas maybe an all expenses junket is called for.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

notinwestcliffanymor e wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.

You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

notinwestcliffanymor e wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.

You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.

i m not so daft as to leave my safety in the hands of the council or anyone else i take my own resposibility, like in the good ol days

Firestormgjc wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

mys842 wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!

There are only a few that ruin social events for the rest, but if the council spent the time and money on policing this event rather than wasting time trying to stop it, then all would be fine. I'm sure you have a hobby/interest, and if you were told you wasn't allowed to ENJOY your hobby with others, then you would be annoyed.

Unfortunately the council has had to make draconian budget cuts recently, It may be a better suggestion that the organisers of the event pay for their own policing.
Put an application to hold an event through the correct channels , let the council know that it will of no cost to them , what it could bring to the town, Estimated vistor numbers etc and I am sure it will be taken seriously.
Throw in the added sweetner of a Charity fund raiser and it may even be welcomed .

Lack of focus and organisation will lead it to appear (whatever the real situation is) as a poorly organised rabble with little regard for anyone else barring themselves and its this impression which promotes the more angry "Anti Car" posts we are starting to see

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

notinwestcliffanymor e wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.

You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.

i m not so daft as to leave my safety in the hands of the council or anyone else i take my own resposibility, like in the good ol days

I saw families forced off the cycle lane onto the pavement, that put pedestrians at risk. I saw two inexperienced cyclists actually forced int the road and ride against the direction of traffic. Peoples lives were put at risk by the selfish actions of these morons in their motorised penis substitutes. The police should prosecute every one of those illegally parked morons.

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

notinwestcliffanymor e wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.

You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.

i m not so daft as to leave my safety in the hands of the council or anyone else i take my own resposibility, like in the good ol days

I saw families forced off the cycle lane onto the pavement, that put pedestrians at risk. I saw two inexperienced cyclists actually forced int the road and ride against the direction of traffic. Peoples lives were put at risk by the selfish actions of these morons in their motorised penis substitutes. The police should prosecute every one of those illegally parked morons.

The Police were there! I was there - parked opposite the cycle path, watching the police cars drive up and down. Not once did they stop to ask people to move off the cycle path.

I didn't see any cyclists that night either mind...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:
Having watched your video, all it proves is what i thought, this idiot is so up his own backside that he refuses to take care of his own safety by getting of and walking his bike for 5 minutes. Any police in attendance probably came to the same conclusion as me , that these cars were not blocking the high way and were not dangerous. You cyclists do not own the cycle lane just like apparently us road fund licence payers don t own the road.

mys842 wrote:
I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

notinwestcliffanymor e wrote: Having watched your video, all it proves is what i thought, this idiot is so up his own backside that he refuses to take care of his own safety by getting of and walking his bike for 5 minutes. Any police in attendance probably came to the same conclusion as me , that these cars were not blocking the high way and were not dangerous. You cyclists do not own the cycle lane just like apparently us road fund licence payers don t own the road.

The public highway includes the pavements and any cycle lanes. The legal definition of the highway is here: "The definition of a road in England and Wales is ‘any highway and any other road to which the public has access and includes bridges over which a road passes’ (RTA 1988 sect 192(1)). In Scotland, there is a similar definition which is extended to include any way over which the public have a right of passage (R(S)A 1984 sect 151(1)). IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT REFERENCES TO ‘ROAD’ THEREFORE GENERALLY INCLUDE FOOTPATHS, BRIDLEWAYS AND CYCLE TRACKS, and many roadways and driveways on private land (including many car parks). In most cases, the law will apply to them and there may be additional rules for particular paths or ways. Some serious driving offences, including drink-driving offences, also apply to all public places, for example public car parks." https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/the-road-user-a nd-the-law The highway was blocked by people illegally and dangerously parked. As for 'road fund licence, there' no such thing, that was scrapped in 1937. It's called VEHICLE Excise Duty which is a tax on vehicle emissions or engine size. It has NOTHING AT ALL to do with any right to use the road. Roads are paid for through general taxation which includes: Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, etc. all of which cyclists pay too.

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

'Notinwestcliffanymo

re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.

Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:
The airshow was moved from the bank holiday monday due to policing cost, it is now scrapped due to short sightedness and ezy jet.

Firestormgjc wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.

Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!

Unfortunately its not an "organised event" The person who was originally the organiser has said its cancelled, and everyone is just turning up all the same , And to be honest, just arranging a meet up and publicising it on facebook does not make it an organised event. Re: the previous comment about Tax payers paying for policing, any additional police required for an organised event will be charged to the local council, SBC have already scrapped the Airshow this year due , in the main, to policing costs.

andy:) wrote:

mys842 wrote:
I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!

Why would anyone be intimidated by a car even if the engine is being revved, I'd feel far safer down the seafront when its busy as opposed to wandering around when its deserted.

People pay their taxes and have a right to meet up and drive along the seafront, if they break laws then yes they should face the consequences.

Andy

Firestormgjc wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.

Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!

Unfortunately its not an "organised event"

The person who was originally the organiser has said its cancelled, and everyone is just turning up all the same ,
And to be honest, just arranging a meet up and publicising it on facebook does not make it an organised event.

Re: the previous comment about Tax payers paying for policing, any additional police required for an organised event will be charged to the local council, SBC have already scrapped the Airshow this year due , in the main, to policing costs.

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

Peter245 wrote:
Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

mys842 wrote:

andy:) wrote:

mys842 wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!

Why would anyone be intimidated by a car even if the engine is being revved, I'd feel far safer down the seafront when its busy as opposed to wandering around when its deserted. People pay their taxes and have a right to meet up and drive along the seafront, if they break laws then yes they should face the consequences. Andy

Maybe if you have a baby or young child in the back of your car you'd feel differently. I'm sure thecouncil could arrange some essential road closures for the cliff slippage project that evening?

Peter245 wrote:
Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

'Notinwestcliffanymo


re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.

Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place.

Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!

stopmoaning1 wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

Because it's not illegal. Parking offences have been de-criminalised. the local authority are responsible for monitoring parking. Shoebury Cyclist seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to research some old legislation. Keep up!

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.

Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!

That doesn't make illegal parking legal. Those people who parked in the cycle lane deliberately put the lives of others at risk through their actions.

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote:
Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.

Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!

That doesn't make illegal parking legal. Those people who parked in the cycle lane deliberately put the lives of others at risk through their actions.

Deliberately? Are you saying that it was attempted manslaughter?

If it was that serious why did the police not ask them to move?

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

Because it's not illegal. Parking offences have been de-criminalised. the local authority are responsible for monitoring parking. Shoebury Cyclist seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to research some old legislation. Keep up!

Yes it is illegal. Rule 240 of the Highway Code:

240
You MUST NOT stop or park on

the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270)
a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191)
a clearway (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings
an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods
A TRAM OR CYCLE LANE DURING ITS PERIOD OF OPERATION
A CYCLE TRACK
red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 140).
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 7 & 9, MT(S)R regs 6 & 8, ZPPPCRGD regs 18 & 20, RTRA sects 5, 6 & 8, TSRGD regs 10, 26 & 27, RTA 1988 sects 21(1) & 36

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.

Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?

'Notinwestcliffanymo


re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.

Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place.

Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Noteworthy wrote:

mys842 wrote:

andy:) wrote:

mys842 wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!

Why would anyone be intimidated by a car even if the engine is being revved, I'd feel far safer down the seafront when its busy as opposed to wandering around when its deserted. People pay their taxes and have a right to meet up and drive along the seafront, if they break laws then yes they should face the consequences. Andy

Maybe if you have a baby or young child in the back of your car you'd feel differently. I'm sure thecouncil could arrange some essential road closures for the cliff slippage project that evening?

I often take my daughter to these meets, my friends take their children too - obviously when we do we stand on the pavement away from the road. They enjoy it, my friends little boy loves cars!

Plus it's a trip to the arcades too, and in the summer, Adventure Island.

You let yourself be intimidated by perceptions which are not helped by 'local media'. I'll bet if you broke down, anyone on the seafront would come over to help -especially if you have children in the back.

Most enthusiasts have spent a lot of money on their cars - the last thing they want to do is drive like idiots and trash them.

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...

It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users.

So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...

It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.

I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!

Noteworthy wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...

It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.

I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!

Seconded

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...

It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users.

So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.

I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane.

Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses?

dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...

It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.

I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!

Seconded

Peter245 & Noteworthy:

What about the cruisers that put oil down on the road and preform burn outs?

Is that the right kind of action to be under taking on a public road, do you noe know that the oil can eat into the road surface resulting in a costly repair funded nit by out of town cruisers but by the council tax payer of Southend.

Why not have the event go ahead but all those what want to take park have to pay £25 to the council for a permit to display their car, £15 is kept by the council to help cover the cost of the litter left behind and any repairs needed to the road, the other £10 is donated to charity. Any car not displaying a permit is immediatly removed and impounded a £350 fine is issued failure to pay within a week will see the car scrapped.

These cruisers think they rule the road and that they can do what they want when they want well kids you do not, why not hire an airfield or something for your events.

Peter245 wrote:
>>>Shouldn'
t be punished....

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...

It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users.

So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.

I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane.

Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses?

dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!

'Hog a lane'? I see, you think it's YOUR lane, and only YOU should be hogging it, is that it?

I already explained why it's an illegal event earlier. But I'll do it again.

Have the organisers obtained permission from Southend Council to close off the seafront?

No.

Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'?

No.

Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for the event?

No.

Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the event remains within the law and no member of the public is put at risk?

No.

This is not an organised event, it's just trouble making rabble thinking they can ignore the law.

rayleigh123 wrote:
BOTTOM, BOTTOM LINE - If the vehicles are taxed, MOT and insured why should anyone stop someone using their vehicle on a public highway. If however they break the law they should be prosecutaed - thats why we have a police force. Just because the council does not like it - SHAME.

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...

It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users.

So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.

I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane.

Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses?

dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!

'Hog a lane'? I see, you think it's YOUR lane, and only YOU should be hogging it, is that it?

I already explained why it's an illegal event earlier. But I'll do it again.

Have the organisers obtained permission from Southend Council to close off the seafront?

No.

Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'?

No.

Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for the event?

No.

Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the event remains within the law and no member of the public is put at risk?

No.

This is not an organised event, it's just trouble making rabble thinking they can ignore the law.

Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!

And as I have told you, and will tell you again...

"have the organisers obtained permission from Southend council to close off the seafront? NO"

Your right, they haven't, But the seafront will not be CLOSED! Just all the parking bays will be full. A parking bay and the number of them are there for that exact reason, TO PARK LOTS OF CARS!

"Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'? NO"

Again, correct, why does a public 'gathering' have to have any insurance? If a car comes off the road and strikes a pedestrian, the insurance is covered by the vehicle driver at fault!

"Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for this event? NO"

Again correct, The police do not need to know if a group of people are meeting, unless the law is being broken.

"Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the eventremains within the law and no member of the pubic is put at risk? NO"

Again, there is no need, if there is an accident, it is just that, an accident. If someone is harmed deliberately, then it should be investigated. You cant guarantee people won't act like idiots, the police and marshals can only ask them to.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...

It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users.

So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.

mys842 wrote:
I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u

k/media-and-research

/media-centre/news-a

rchive/452-cyclists-

claim-your-lane-says

-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
So the council tax payers of Southend are forced to stay away from their seafront whist a group of yobbish out of towners drive like nutters, leave mounds of rubbish and then leave the clean up bill to the council tax payer of Southend. Why not charge the yoofs £25the money is paid to SBC to help cover the cost of damages and cleaning up the mess, better still keep the yoofs away as they are all skint as all the money they had from mummy and daddy has been spent on their stupid boom box on wheels.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u

k/media-and-research

/media-centre/news-a

rchive/452-cyclists-

claim-your-lane-says

-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
So the council tax payers of Southend are forced to stay away from their seafront whist a group of yobbish out of towners drive like nutters, leave mounds of rubbish and then leave the clean up bill to the council tax payer of Southend. Why not charge the yoofs £25the money is paid to SBC to help cover the cost of damages and cleaning up the mess, better still keep the yoofs away as they are all skint as all the money they had from mummy and daddy has been spent on their stupid boom box on wheels.

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u


k/media-and-research


/media-centre/news-a


rchive/452-cyclists-


claim-your-lane-says


-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u



k/media-and-research



/media-centre/news-a



rchive/452-cyclists-



claim-your-lane-says



-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.

I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote:
Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic.


I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk.


I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u



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But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.

I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.

Nebs wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote:

Peter245 wrote:
Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!

FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.

When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic.


I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk.


I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.

Cyclists riding illegally on the pavement????

You mean like the chap in this video, taken along the seafront in southend, who had his cycle path blocked and so decided to ride along the pavement, rather than getting off and walking 20 yards. And at 28 seconds the cyclist forces pedestrians to check their stride, as the cyclist has to go first. I wonder if any readers can work out who the cyclist is?

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=9IJnPMSj3

Xs

I accept that the lorry was parked illegally, but the cyclist was a danger to pedestrians and should have walked the short distance. They should both have been given a ticket.

b.c2456 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u




k/media-and-research




/media-centre/news-a




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-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.

I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.

And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u




k/media-and-research




/media-centre/news-a




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-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.

I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.

You tried to insult me by calling me a "boy racer". I have no interest in the highway code for cycling. I'm sure you will be there collecting evidence of how much of a nuisance these "boy racers" are, simply because you have nothing better to do.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u





k/media-and-research





/media-centre/news-a





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-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.

I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.

You tried to insult me by calling me a "boy racer". I have no interest in the highway code for cycling. I'm sure you will be there collecting evidence of how much of a nuisance these "boy racers" are, simply because you have nothing better to do.

The Highway Code is for ALL road users. That you say you have 'no interest in the Highway Code' proves you are an irresponsible and dangerous driver.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

b.c2456 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u





k/media-and-research





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-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.

I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.

And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?

Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.

b.c2456 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

b.c2456 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u






k/media-and-research






/media-centre/news-a






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-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.

I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.

And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?

Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.

I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic...

I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point.

As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

b.c2456 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

b.c2456 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.

I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.

And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?

Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.

I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic... I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point. As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......

So driving on a pavement to park on a pavement, that's ok is it?

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

b.c2456 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

b.c2456 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.

I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.

And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?

Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.

I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic... I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point. As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......

So driving on a pavement to park on a pavement, that's ok is it?

Riding on a pavement is ok is it?

MISSZC wrote:
Just another point about the cycle path along the seafront, I know people that come from outside of Southend for family days/evenings and when they drive along the seafront they all comment on the Cycle Path not being very clear and obvious that its a cycle path.....should SBC not look at correcting this first?

b.c2456 wrote:

Noteworthy wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

b.c2456 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

b.c2456 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.

For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.

I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.

And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?

Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.

I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic... I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point. As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......

So driving on a pavement to park on a pavement, that's ok is it?

Riding on a pavement is ok is it?

I'm not saying it's ok for cars to park or drive on the pavement. If this happens the driver should get a ticket.

But it's ok for cyclists to ride on the pavement?

Rouge9 wrote:
Dear Shoebury Cyclist, I have read your Trollish comments with a mix of laughter (at you) and incredularity that it is too obvious you do not know to what you are talking about.

Firstly, don't quote the IAM, they're a charity not an driving instructor service, if you're going to quote anyone try the ABD or a proper British Cycling.
Secondly, the Highway Code is not the rules of the road, suggest you go back and re-read, a subsection marked "Should" means it is Advisory, one marked MUST is in accordance with the Law - the Road Traffic Act (2006) and prior.

regarding your comment about a cyclist being in the middle of the lane, they are hogging the carriageway, a cyclist (I am one) must at all times be aware of their surroundings and ride accordingly, middle of the lane is just rudeness and arrogance that give us a bad name.

As for the article, there is nothing wrong with a gathering of cars on the seafront, if properly supervised, self supervision is ok.
I believe being able to show off the hard work and care of a car makes owning one a joy. Yes, I'm a petrolhead. I like cars, I like fast ones and I like speed and racing, all of which I do on a track day. Showing off a car shows you have pride in it, also if you take pride in something, you take care of it, and the car will be safe.