Three arrested for football-related violence (From Echo)

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?

whateverhappened wrote:
ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

supermadmax wrote:
Who cares if they want to fight each other ? Crime prevention should be focused on crimes again innocent victims.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.

supermadmax wrote:
Who cares if they want to fight each other ?

Crime prevention should be focused on crimes again innocent victims.

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.

One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports

Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!

Saxonpride wrote:
Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow.
A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!

When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months.
In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years.

In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year.

But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.

Jodaius wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!

When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months.
In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years.

In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year.

But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.

Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.

Jodaius wrote:

Saxonpride wrote:
Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow.
A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.

Kind of proving my point there.

'Racists' - from a user called 'Saxonpride' - nice!

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.

One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports

"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences "

Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!

When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months.
In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years.

In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year.

But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.

Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.

But why? England, in fact the entire UK, are crap at football. Many of the players are spoiled thugs, rapists, alcoholics or violent thugs, they never win anything for their country, they take no pride in representing their country.

Yet sports we are successful at are sidelined in favour of this losers sport.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!

When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.

Jodaius wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!

When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.

Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.

Firestormgjc wrote:
BTW, Shoebury-cyclist ,using JTL's win in the Tour of the Med as an example of success and then dismissing Chelseas win in the Champions league is twisting the facts a little bit don't you think.
The tour of the Med is a category 2.1 event which, as you know is basically, a third division event .

Perhaps we should leveling it up for football with winners of the Anglo-Italian cup

Blind Haze wrote:

Firestormgjc wrote: BTW, Shoebury-cyclist ,using JTL's win in the Tour of the Med as an example of success and then dismissing Chelseas win in the Champions league is twisting the facts a little bit don't you think. The tour of the Med is a category 2.1 event which, as you know is basically, a third division event . Perhaps we should leveling it up for football with winners of the Anglo-Italian cup

Didn't Batistuta score a hat trick against Southend for Fiorentina some 20 years ago in the Anglo-Italian? I have a childhood memory of listening to that one on the radio. That and listening to Notts County beat us on penalties in the JPT area final. I hope it's not a premonition for tonight...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?

supermadmax wrote:
Who cares if they want to fight each other ?

Crime prevention should be focused on crimes again innocent victims.

stopmoaning1 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?

Wow get over yourself. This rubbish game (and to clarify, I do think it’s a rubbish game) gets so much coverage because it’s so popular. It really is a very simple concept in all forms of life. Easters is a rubbish TV programme, but it’s on every night because it’s popular. Tesco is badly laid out sprawling supermarket, but there are so many of them because they are popular.
What does it matter if we are good at it as a nation or not if vast numbers of people like watching it.
I also hate cycling, not because of the lycra clad morons who watch it and try to copy by riding in the middle of the road is if it was closed off for their exclusive use, but because it does nothing for me. Nothing to stop you liking it though.
I am a huge motor sport fan. We’re not brilliant at it as a nation, but I like watching it. You don’t have to if you don’t want to.

Firestormgjc wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

Firestormgjc wrote: BTW, Shoebury-cyclist ,using JTL's win in the Tour of the Med as an example of success and then dismissing Chelseas win in the Champions league is twisting the facts a little bit don't you think. The tour of the Med is a category 2.1 event which, as you know is basically, a third division event . Perhaps we should leveling it up for football with winners of the Anglo-Italian cup

Didn't Batistuta score a hat trick against Southend for Fiorentina some 20 years ago in the Anglo-Italian? I have a childhood memory of listening to that one on the radio. That and listening to Notts County beat us on penalties in the JPT area final. I hope it's not a premonition for tonight...

Cant remember the hattrick but hearing the names Batistuta and Bodley in the same sentance was surreal...
The Graham Bressington missed penalty still haunts me
Unfortunately they are not childhood memories (the Brentford game was only 19 years ago)

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!

When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months.
In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years.

In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year.

But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.

Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.

But why? England, in fact the entire UK, are crap at football. Many of the players are spoiled thugs, rapists, alcoholics or violent thugs, they never win anything for their country, they take no pride in representing their country.

Yet sports we are successful at are sidelined in favour of this losers sport.

Firestormgjc wrote:
It seems that Shoebury_notreallyac

yclist_justastroppyb

lokewithabike is the only one who isn't agreeing with this.

Thats a surprise.....

Dinosaur_Jr wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.

One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports

"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences "

Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.

There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams).

Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year.

Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling.

Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.

Boyracer_1991 wrote:
Seems like a good old punch up was on the cards. Bring back the times when football violence was at its all time high! Id love to see that again on our terraces.

DannyButcher wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!

When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months.
In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years.

In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year.

But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.

Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.

But why? England, in fact the entire UK, are crap at football. Many of the players are spoiled thugs, rapists, alcoholics or violent thugs, they never win anything for their country, they take no pride in representing their country.

Yet sports we are successful at are sidelined in favour of this losers sport.

You're joking right?

Cycling is hardly a sport that is void of controversy. And on top of that, it is not exactly entertaining.

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!

When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.

Brits dominate world cycling year after year ? You don't know this sport do you

You yourself said that Wiggins was the first british TDF winner ever.

Who were the last Brits to win the Vuelta or the Giro ?

We have only had two world Road Champions since 1927 and one of them was killed by drug abuse two years later.

Cycling is getting its act together re PED's and as a result the level playing field is allowing the previously non competitive clean Brits to come to the fore (Wiggins would not have won the TDF if Contador and Schleck had not been banned and the other Schlech not been injured) but in comparison Football has not had the level of world wide attention of the drugs testers (Contadors physician had links to Spanish football )

Ciaran mc wrote:
SHUT UP^^

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Dinosaur_Jr wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.

One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports

"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences "

Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.

There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams).

Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year.

Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling.

Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.

I said Britain, not Europe. There's a difference. Want me to show you a map?

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Ciaran mc wrote: SHUT UP^^

No.

Dinosaur_Jr wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Dinosaur_Jr wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.

One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports

"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences " Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.

There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams). Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year. Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling. Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.

I said Britain, not Europe. There's a difference. Want me to show you a map?

Yes there is a geographical difference, you're quite right there. Well done. For comparison however, it is not possible to fairly compare the two sports at a national level. Professional cycling is just too small in the UK. But if you want I'll make a comparison. There have been 4 British stage winners of the TDF in recent years. One of whom has tested positive for a banned substance (David Millar). Again I ask you to submit evidence that football (British or otherwise) is full of 'druggies'.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Ciaran mc wrote:
SHUT UP^^

No.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Jodaius wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!

When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.

Brits dominate world cycling year after year ? You don't know this sport do you

You yourself said that Wiggins was the first british TDF winner ever.

Who were the last Brits to win the Vuelta or the Giro ?

We have only had two world Road Champions since 1927 and one of them was killed by drug abuse two years later.

Cycling is getting its act together re PED's and as a result the level playing field is allowing the previously non competitive clean Brits to come to the fore (Wiggins would not have won the TDF if Contador and Schleck had not been banned and the other Schlech not been injured) but in comparison Football has not had the level of world wide attention of the drugs testers (Contadors physician had links to Spanish football )

I suggest you have a look at the world cycling wins British cyclists have had over the past 50 years. It seems you don't understand the term 'cycling'. That doesn't just mean people of racing bikes in a velodrome, or on the TdF, there is a lot more to cycling than road racing.

Here, the from the 60s up until 2009, so it doesn't even include London 2012, the TdF, or the UCI World track championships since 2009.

There's too much achievement for me to list here, so I'll just link the site:

http://www.britishcy

cling.org.uk/50th-an

ni/article/bc-50-Yea

rs-Of-British-Cyclin

g-News-The-60s

Meanwhile it is easy to list British world footballing achievements:

Ciaran mc wrote:
SHUT UP^^

Boyracer_1991 wrote:

Ciaran mc wrote:
SHUT UP^^

He does make a point.

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.

One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports

Dinosaur_Jr wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.

One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports

"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences "

Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.

There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams).

Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year.

Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling.

Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?

Why tar all the fans with the same brush when you very realy hear about Southed fans causing a problem?

You say druggies but what about the cyclist's wet dream Lance Armstrong you seem to have forgotton he was a winner through drugs.

How would you like it if people were to brand all cyclist as druggies because of one mans actions?

The mentality you show in your grouping all players and fans as druggies, rapists, racists and thugs is everdent of somebody who cares little for fact and will only beleive the vices they heaar in their heads telling them what they want to hear as fact.

everyoneh850 wrote:
Face it no-one gives a fook about cycling its probably the most boring sport to watch in the world it's on par with trainspotting. Football is the most popular sport in the world for reason it's exciting and fans go absolutely mental whilst watching it. Some fans like to have a punch up before the game and that's there choice. They don't fight inncoent people they fight other fans. A lot of the fights are pre-arranged before the game. Away from other members of the public. But the rivalry is all part and parcel of the game and has been going on since football first started and is never going to go away.

Boyracer_1991 wrote:
Seems like a good old punch up was on the cards. Bring back the times when football violence was at its all time high! Id love to see that again on our terraces.

Elephantman2 wrote:

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.

One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports

Cycling conducts a comprehensive range of drug tests to catch the cheats. Football does FA; Tennis does so little that the top players are asking to be tested; Athletics does not test enough..... I could go on but why let facts get in the way of the BS. Cycling test and it catches the cheats; most other sports aren't that bothered.

Ciaran mc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Ciaran mc wrote: SHUT UP^^

No.

Miserable old git

Dinosaur_Jr wrote:

Elephantman2 wrote:

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.

One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports

Cycling conducts a comprehensive range of drug tests to catch the cheats. Football does FA; Tennis does so little that the top players are asking to be tested; Athletics does not test enough..... I could go on but why let facts get in the way of the BS. Cycling test and it catches the cheats; most other sports aren't that bothered.

Football does FA. Another poster who doesn't seem to like letting facts get in the way.

The FA follows and goes beyond Wada's recommendations by also conducting tests for, EPO, recreational drugs in addition to introducing blood profiling last year.

Of course football (like all sports) could do more. However, the fact that completly random testing (at a match, at the training ground and even at home) has not thrown up a significant number of serious high profile cases of PED use, would strongly suggest that football doesn't have a drug problem on the scale of professional cycling.

Elephantman2 wrote:
http://www.huffingto

npost.co.uk/luke-joh

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edle-but-above-suspi

cion_b_2662165.html?

utm_hp_ref=tw

As this article says football may be about to face its demons. Doping in football has gone on for years and is on going.

Saxonpride wrote:
Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow.
A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.

everyoneh850 wrote:
Face it no-one gives a fook about cycling its probably the most boring sport to watch in the world it's on par with trainspotting. Football is the most popular sport in the world for reason it's exciting and fans go absolutely mental whilst watching it. Some fans like to have a punch up before the game and that's there choice. They don't fight inncoent people they fight other fans. A lot of the fights are pre-arranged before the game. Away from other members of the public. But the rivalry is all part and parcel of the game and has been going on since football first started and is never going to go away.

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:

Elephantman2 wrote:
http://www.huffingto


npost.co.uk/luke-joh


n/dopin-under-the-ne


edle-but-above-suspi


cion_b_2662165.html?


utm_hp_ref=tw

As this article says football may be about to face its demons. Doping in football has gone on for years and is on going.

It is NOT just football it is ALL sport that has it's drugs cheats from football to cycling and everything between.

The cyclists here seem to forget the "greatest" cyclist of recent times won by drugs and cheating the tests, not lies by there was an admission of guilt on a US chat show. (if I remember rightly)

SpeekinMyBranes wrote:
Football's for da gayz. Fousends of men worshipin swety men in shorts. gay game for gayz.

CaptainBlackadder wrote:

SpeekinMyBranes wrote: Football's for da gayz. Fousends of men worshipin swety men in shorts. gay game for gayz.

Can anyone translate this for me please?

Elephantman2 wrote:

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:

Elephantman2 wrote:
http://www.huffingto



npost.co.uk/luke-joh



n/dopin-under-the-ne



edle-but-above-suspi



cion_b_2662165.html?



utm_hp_ref=tw

As this article says football may be about to face its demons. Doping in football has gone on for years and is on going.

It is NOT just football it is ALL sport that has it's drugs cheats from football to cycling and everything between.

The cyclists here seem to forget the "greatest" cyclist of recent times won by drugs and cheating the tests, not lies by there was an admission of guilt on a US chat show. (if I remember rightly)

Absolutely correct; except cyclist know and understand the problems their sport has. Most fans of other sports don't have a clue as to what is going on within their sport. Tennis and Football have particular problems that are not being addressed. FIFA does not allow blood tests so there is zero change that footballers will be caught using the more sophisticated methods of doping.

SpeekinMyBranes wrote:
Football's for da gayz. Fousends of men worshipin swety men in shorts. gay game for gayz.

RICH:;CAROL wrote:
Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?

stopmoaning1 wrote:

RICH:;CAROL wrote:
Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?

Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads
Don't recall this story being about race. Just something you thought you'd throw into the mis for no reason??

stopmoaning1 wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

RICH:;CAROL wrote:
Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?

Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads
Don't recall this story being about race. Just something you thought you'd throw into the mis for no reason??

or in to the mix even!

Saxonpride wrote:
Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow.
A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.

Saxonpride wrote:
Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow.
A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.

stopmoaning1 wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

RICH:;CAROL wrote:
Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?

Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads
Don't recall this story being about race. Just something you thought you'd throw into the mis for no reason??

or in to the mix even!

However, having introduced the subject out of the blue, you should have checked your facts in order to understand the racism in football at the moment.
There have been problems of late in the world of football with SOME fans racially abusing players, and SOME players racially abusing other players.

But this is NOT what this article or comment stream is about.

So, back to subject with future comments please.

aberline 88 wrote:
stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:

aberline 88 wrote:
stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces

Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound by wanting to be part of the cs crew a bunch of idiots who have no place in todays society, anyone who thinks they are in anyway a good thing is by nature a moron.

Jodaius wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:
Face it no-one gives a fook about cycling its probably the most boring sport to watch in the world it's on par with trainspotting. Football is the most popular sport in the world for reason it's exciting and fans go absolutely mental whilst watching it. Some fans like to have a punch up before the game and that's there choice. They don't fight inncoent people they fight other fans. A lot of the fights are pre-arranged before the game. Away from other members of the public. But the rivalry is all part and parcel of the game and has been going on since football first started and is never going to go away.

Can football fans not be innocent people then?

And let's not confuse violence with rivalry. There is nothing wrong with rivalry, but unfortunately there are a SMALL MINORITY of small-minded fans who feel the only way to express their rivalry is through violence. I put it down to a lack of intelligence.

However, this is a small minority, and the suggestion that the other 99% of fans shouldn't be afforded adequate protection from these idiots beggars belief.

aberline 88 wrote:

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:

aberline 88 wrote:
stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces

Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound by wanting to be part of the cs crew a bunch of idiots who have no place in todays society, anyone who thinks they are in anyway a good thing is by nature a moron.

lol you really are wild and untamed, get you tight sponge cycling shorts on and have a peddle around the park, may help your frustration, i could never touch meat until it is cooked, as a youth i used to weep in butchers shops

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:

Dinosaur_Jr wrote:

Elephantman2 wrote:

Firestormgjc wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems

One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.

One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports

Cycling conducts a comprehensive range of drug tests to catch the cheats. Football does FA; Tennis does so little that the top players are asking to be tested; Athletics does not test enough..... I could go on but why let facts get in the way of the BS. Cycling test and it catches the cheats; most other sports aren't that bothered.

Football does FA. Another poster who doesn't seem to like letting facts get in the way.

The FA follows and goes beyond Wada's recommendations by also conducting tests for, EPO, recreational drugs in addition to introducing blood profiling last year.

Of course football (like all sports) could do more. However, the fact that completly random testing (at a match, at the training ground and even at home) has not thrown up a significant number of serious high profile cases of PED use, would strongly suggest that football doesn't have a drug problem on the scale of professional cycling.

Some people will make statements as fact without checking the facts, these statement of facts they make are facts only in their minds.

It seems shoebury_cyclist is ignoring me asking in questions as I debunked his "facts" he clearly is not intrested in entering into a discussion on the matter and that is a FACT!

Unless of course he starts after reading this!

We will have to wait and see...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:

aberline 88 wrote:

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:

aberline 88 wrote:
stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces

Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound by wanting to be part of the cs crew a bunch of idiots who have no place in todays society, anyone who thinks they are in anyway a good thing is by nature a moron.

lol you really are wild and untamed, get you tight sponge cycling shorts on and have a peddle around the park, may help your frustration, i could never touch meat until it is cooked, as a youth i used to weep in butchers shops

Er I don't ride bikes I have a car.