Three arrested for football-related violence

THREE men have been arrested for football-related violence ahead of tonight's Southend United match.

Police visited the trio at their homes as part of an operation in the run-up to Southend's match with Leyton Orient.

Two men, aged 22 and 20, from Southend and one man, aged 21, from Grays, were arrested on suspicion of affray.

They have all been taken to police stations for questioning in connection with an incident of disorder reported to have occurred at a pub in Leytonstone, in London, on Saturday January 26.

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11:59am Wed 20 Feb 13

supermadmax says...

Who cares if they want to fight each other ?

Crime prevention should be focused on crimes again innocent victims.
Who cares if they want to fight each other ? Crime prevention should be focused on crimes again innocent victims. supermadmax

12:08pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?
The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it? Shoebury_Cyclist

12:12pm Wed 20 Feb 13

leighman says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?
On y'er bike.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?[/p][/quote]On y'er bike. leighman

12:28pm Wed 20 Feb 13

whateverhappened says...

ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems whateverhappened

12:46pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

whateverhappened wrote:
ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs…

Here's a quick comparison.


A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months:

Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke
UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals
London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold.
Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold
Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins
Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome
The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur
ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish
The list goes on...

Football wins for Britain in last twelve months:

Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams.

British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic.


That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
[quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer. Shoebury_Cyclist

12:52pm Wed 20 Feb 13

pembury53 says...

supermadmax wrote:
Who cares if they want to fight each other ? Crime prevention should be focused on crimes again innocent victims.
A bit presumptious to assume the victims are not innocent, just because they are in a pub with football supporters ? Unfortunately the courts seem to have a similar mind set, which is why an innocent man can get kicked to oblivion and the perpetrator gets 2.5 years for manslaughter...
[quote][p][bold]supermadmax[/bold] wrote: Who cares if they want to fight each other ? Crime prevention should be focused on crimes again innocent victims.[/p][/quote]A bit presumptious to assume the victims are not innocent, just because they are in a pub with football supporters ? Unfortunately the courts seem to have a similar mind set, which is why an innocent man can get kicked to oblivion and the perpetrator gets 2.5 years for manslaughter... pembury53

1:01pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.[/p][/quote]One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports Firestormgjc

1:03pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Jodaius says...

supermadmax wrote:
Who cares if they want to fight each other ?

Crime prevention should be focused on crimes again innocent victims.
The vast majority of those who go to watch football games commit no offences. Are you suggesting that these innocent fans deserve no protection purely because of the sport they follow?

Muppet.
[quote][p][bold]supermadmax[/bold] wrote: Who cares if they want to fight each other ? Crime prevention should be focused on crimes again innocent victims.[/p][/quote]The vast majority of those who go to watch football games commit no offences. Are you suggesting that these innocent fans deserve no protection purely because of the sport they follow? Muppet. Jodaius

1:04pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

Football fans , fighting in a pub in Leytonstone on a saturday when Orient were at home and Southend were away up North , suggests that these individuals were unlikely to be Southend fans despite their addresses, and this was a measure to prevent potential trouble tonight . Seems good policing to me....
Football fans , fighting in a pub in Leytonstone on a saturday when Orient were at home and Southend were away up North , suggests that these individuals were unlikely to be Southend fans despite their addresses, and this was a measure to prevent potential trouble tonight . Seems good policing to me.... Firestormgjc

1:08pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Jodaius says...

Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this! Jodaius

1:17pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports
"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences "

Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.
[quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.[/p][/quote]One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports[/p][/quote]"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences " Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions. Shoebury_Cyclist

1:23pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Saxonpride says...

Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow.
A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.
Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow. A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers. Saxonpride

1:24pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!
When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months.
In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years.

In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year.

But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.
[quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this![/p][/quote]When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at. Shoebury_Cyclist

1:34pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Jodaius says...

Saxonpride wrote:
Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow.
A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.
Kind of proving my point there.

'Racists' - from a user called 'Saxonpride' - nice!
[quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow. A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.[/p][/quote]Kind of proving my point there. 'Racists' - from a user called 'Saxonpride' - nice! Jodaius

1:35pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Jodaius says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!
When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months.
In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years.

In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year.

But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.
Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this![/p][/quote]When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.[/p][/quote]Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of. Jodaius

1:38pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!
When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months.
In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years.

In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year.

But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.
Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.
But why? England, in fact the entire UK, are crap at football. Many of the players are spoiled thugs, rapists, alcoholics or violent thugs, they never win anything for their country, they take no pride in representing their country.

Yet sports we are successful at are sidelined in favour of this losers sport.
[quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this![/p][/quote]When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.[/p][/quote]Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.[/p][/quote]But why? England, in fact the entire UK, are crap at football. Many of the players are spoiled thugs, rapists, alcoholics or violent thugs, they never win anything for their country, they take no pride in representing their country. Yet sports we are successful at are sidelined in favour of this losers sport. Shoebury_Cyclist

1:38pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Saxonpride says...

Jodaius wrote:
Saxonpride wrote:
Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow.
A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.
Kind of proving my point there.

'Racists' - from a user called 'Saxonpride' - nice!
Nonsense! I'm not racist!
I simply judge people based on their skin colour.
[quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow. A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.[/p][/quote]Kind of proving my point there. 'Racists' - from a user called 'Saxonpride' - nice![/p][/quote]Nonsense! I'm not racist! I simply judge people based on their skin colour. Saxonpride

1:44pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Dinosaur_Jr says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports
"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences "

Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.
There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams).

Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year.

Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling.

Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.[/p][/quote]One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports[/p][/quote]"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences " Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.[/p][/quote]There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams). Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year. Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling. Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different. Dinosaur_Jr

1:48pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Jodaius says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!
When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months.
In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years.

In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year.

But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.
Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.
But why? England, in fact the entire UK, are crap at football. Many of the players are spoiled thugs, rapists, alcoholics or violent thugs, they never win anything for their country, they take no pride in representing their country.

Yet sports we are successful at are sidelined in favour of this losers sport.
I can't speak on behalf of the millions of football fans out there, but personally I enjoy it because it's exciting and unpredictable, represents a good balance between individual skill and teamwork, and leads to a good atmosphere on matchdays.

I enjoyed my visits to the velodrome and road cycling in 2012, and have been known to watch the Tour de France on TV, but I wouldn't get out of bed every Saturday to go an watch it live. Sorry, but I just don't find it that interesting. You obviously disagree - that's your prerogative. But if Sky Sports started showing cycling every weekend instead of football the subscriptions would plummet!
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this![/p][/quote]When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.[/p][/quote]Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.[/p][/quote]But why? England, in fact the entire UK, are crap at football. Many of the players are spoiled thugs, rapists, alcoholics or violent thugs, they never win anything for their country, they take no pride in representing their country. Yet sports we are successful at are sidelined in favour of this losers sport.[/p][/quote]I can't speak on behalf of the millions of football fans out there, but personally I enjoy it because it's exciting and unpredictable, represents a good balance between individual skill and teamwork, and leads to a good atmosphere on matchdays. I enjoyed my visits to the velodrome and road cycling in 2012, and have been known to watch the Tour de France on TV, but I wouldn't get out of bed every Saturday to go an watch it live. Sorry, but I just don't find it that interesting. You obviously disagree - that's your prerogative. But if Sky Sports started showing cycling every weekend instead of football the subscriptions would plummet! Jodaius

1:58pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!
When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.
Brits dominate world cycling year after year ? You don't know this sport do you

You yourself said that Wiggins was the first british TDF winner ever.

Who were the last Brits to win the Vuelta or the Giro ?

We have only had two world Road Champions since 1927 and one of them was killed by drug abuse two years later.

Cycling is getting its act together re PED's and as a result the level playing field is allowing the previously non competitive clean Brits to come to the fore (Wiggins would not have won the TDF if Contador and Schleck had not been banned and the other Schlech not been injured) but in comparison Football has not had the level of world wide attention of the drugs testers (Contadors physician had links to Spanish football )
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this![/p][/quote]When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.[/p][/quote]Brits dominate world cycling year after year ? You don't know this sport do you You yourself said that Wiggins was the first british TDF winner ever. Who were the last Brits to win the Vuelta or the Giro ? We have only had two world Road Champions since 1927 and one of them was killed by drug abuse two years later. Cycling is getting its act together re PED's and as a result the level playing field is allowing the previously non competitive clean Brits to come to the fore (Wiggins would not have won the TDF if Contador and Schleck had not been banned and the other Schlech not been injured) but in comparison Football has not had the level of world wide attention of the drugs testers (Contadors physician had links to Spanish football ) Firestormgjc

2:10pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

BTW, Shoebury-cyclist ,using JTL's win in the Tour of the Med as an example of success and then dismissing Chelseas win in the Champions league is twisting the facts a little bit don't you think.
The tour of the Med is a category 2.1 event which, as you know is basically, a third division event .

Perhaps we should leveling it up for football with winners of the Anglo-Italian cup
BTW, Shoebury-cyclist ,using JTL's win in the Tour of the Med as an example of success and then dismissing Chelseas win in the Champions league is twisting the facts a little bit don't you think. The tour of the Med is a category 2.1 event which, as you know is basically, a third division event . Perhaps we should leveling it up for football with winners of the Anglo-Italian cup Firestormgjc

2:20pm Wed 20 Feb 13

whateverhappened says...

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/List_of_dop
ing_cases_in_cycling

.
to many to list manually
http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/List_of_dop ing_cases_in_cycling . to many to list manually whateverhappened

2:24pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!
When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.
Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.
Exactly,

There will be over 8,000 at Roots Hall tonight for what is basically a minor league cup

In April there is the Tour of Dengie, a Premier Calendar National Cycling event, being held on our doorstep I wonder what the number of spectators will be for that.

The popular media are driven by what is popular
Football Sells papers
[quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this![/p][/quote]When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.[/p][/quote]Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.[/p][/quote]Exactly, There will be over 8,000 at Roots Hall tonight for what is basically a minor league cup In April there is the Tour of Dengie, a Premier Calendar National Cycling event, being held on our doorstep I wonder what the number of spectators will be for that. The popular media are driven by what is popular Football Sells papers Firestormgjc

2:50pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Blind Haze says...

Firestormgjc wrote:
BTW, Shoebury-cyclist ,using JTL's win in the Tour of the Med as an example of success and then dismissing Chelseas win in the Champions league is twisting the facts a little bit don't you think.
The tour of the Med is a category 2.1 event which, as you know is basically, a third division event .

Perhaps we should leveling it up for football with winners of the Anglo-Italian cup
Didn't Batistuta score a hat trick against Southend for Fiorentina some 20 years ago in the Anglo-Italian? I have a childhood memory of listening to that one on the radio. That and listening to Notts County beat us on penalties in the JPT area final. I hope it's not a premonition for tonight...
[quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: BTW, Shoebury-cyclist ,using JTL's win in the Tour of the Med as an example of success and then dismissing Chelseas win in the Champions league is twisting the facts a little bit don't you think. The tour of the Med is a category 2.1 event which, as you know is basically, a third division event . Perhaps we should leveling it up for football with winners of the Anglo-Italian cup[/p][/quote]Didn't Batistuta score a hat trick against Southend for Fiorentina some 20 years ago in the Anglo-Italian? I have a childhood memory of listening to that one on the radio. That and listening to Notts County beat us on penalties in the JPT area final. I hope it's not a premonition for tonight... Blind Haze

2:57pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Rochford Rob says...

Read Tyler Hamilton & Daniel Coyle's book 'The Secret Race'

Almost everyone in the peleton was on drugs.

Past TDF winners include

Bjarne Reiss
Floyd Landis
Marco Pantani
Lance Armstrong

Pro rata there are / were more druggies bikers than the prissy nancy boys of the Premier League.
Read Tyler Hamilton & Daniel Coyle's book 'The Secret Race' Almost everyone in the peleton was on drugs. Past TDF winners include Bjarne Reiss Floyd Landis Marco Pantani Lance Armstrong Pro rata there are / were more druggies bikers than the prissy nancy boys of the Premier League. Rochford Rob

2:58pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

Blind Haze wrote:
Firestormgjc wrote: BTW, Shoebury-cyclist ,using JTL's win in the Tour of the Med as an example of success and then dismissing Chelseas win in the Champions league is twisting the facts a little bit don't you think. The tour of the Med is a category 2.1 event which, as you know is basically, a third division event . Perhaps we should leveling it up for football with winners of the Anglo-Italian cup
Didn't Batistuta score a hat trick against Southend for Fiorentina some 20 years ago in the Anglo-Italian? I have a childhood memory of listening to that one on the radio. That and listening to Notts County beat us on penalties in the JPT area final. I hope it's not a premonition for tonight...
Cant remember the hattrick but hearing the names Batistuta and Bodley in the same sentance was surreal...
The Graham Bressington missed penalty still haunts me
Unfortunately they are not childhood memories (the Brentford game was only 19 years ago)
[quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: BTW, Shoebury-cyclist ,using JTL's win in the Tour of the Med as an example of success and then dismissing Chelseas win in the Champions league is twisting the facts a little bit don't you think. The tour of the Med is a category 2.1 event which, as you know is basically, a third division event . Perhaps we should leveling it up for football with winners of the Anglo-Italian cup[/p][/quote]Didn't Batistuta score a hat trick against Southend for Fiorentina some 20 years ago in the Anglo-Italian? I have a childhood memory of listening to that one on the radio. That and listening to Notts County beat us on penalties in the JPT area final. I hope it's not a premonition for tonight...[/p][/quote]Cant remember the hattrick but hearing the names Batistuta and Bodley in the same sentance was surreal... The Graham Bressington missed penalty still haunts me Unfortunately they are not childhood memories (the Brentford game was only 19 years ago) Firestormgjc

3:02pm Wed 20 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?
Wow get over yourself. This rubbish game (and to clarify, I do think it’s a rubbish game) gets so much coverage because it’s so popular. It really is a very simple concept in all forms of life. Easters is a rubbish TV programme, but it’s on every night because it’s popular. Tesco is badly laid out sprawling supermarket, but there are so many of them because they are popular.
What does it matter if we are good at it as a nation or not if vast numbers of people like watching it.
I also hate cycling, not because of the lycra clad morons who watch it and try to copy by riding in the middle of the road is if it was closed off for their exclusive use, but because it does nothing for me. Nothing to stop you liking it though.
I am a huge motor sport fan. We’re not brilliant at it as a nation, but I like watching it. You don’t have to if you don’t want to.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?[/p][/quote]Wow get over yourself. This rubbish game (and to clarify, I do think it’s a rubbish game) gets so much coverage because it’s so popular. It really is a very simple concept in all forms of life. Easters is a rubbish TV programme, but it’s on every night because it’s popular. Tesco is badly laid out sprawling supermarket, but there are so many of them because they are popular. What does it matter if we are good at it as a nation or not if vast numbers of people like watching it. I also hate cycling, not because of the lycra clad morons who watch it and try to copy by riding in the middle of the road is if it was closed off for their exclusive use, but because it does nothing for me. Nothing to stop you liking it though. I am a huge motor sport fan. We’re not brilliant at it as a nation, but I like watching it. You don’t have to if you don’t want to. stopmoaning1

3:06pm Wed 20 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

supermadmax wrote:
Who cares if they want to fight each other ?

Crime prevention should be focused on crimes again innocent victims.
I agree, let them fight each other if they want to.
However, a very simple and quick Google search shows that affray is not victimless as the persons action mean somebody else nearby is afraid for their own safety.
So a good bit of crime prevention me thinks
[quote][p][bold]supermadmax[/bold] wrote: Who cares if they want to fight each other ? Crime prevention should be focused on crimes again innocent victims.[/p][/quote]I agree, let them fight each other if they want to. However, a very simple and quick Google search shows that affray is not victimless as the persons action mean somebody else nearby is afraid for their own safety. So a good bit of crime prevention me thinks stopmoaning1

3:09pm Wed 20 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?
Wow get over yourself. This rubbish game (and to clarify, I do think it’s a rubbish game) gets so much coverage because it’s so popular. It really is a very simple concept in all forms of life. Easters is a rubbish TV programme, but it’s on every night because it’s popular. Tesco is badly laid out sprawling supermarket, but there are so many of them because they are popular.
What does it matter if we are good at it as a nation or not if vast numbers of people like watching it.
I also hate cycling, not because of the lycra clad morons who watch it and try to copy by riding in the middle of the road is if it was closed off for their exclusive use, but because it does nothing for me. Nothing to stop you liking it though.
I am a huge motor sport fan. We’re not brilliant at it as a nation, but I like watching it. You don’t have to if you don’t want to.
Eastenders is in fact so rubbish I spelt in wrong in my last post!
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?[/p][/quote]Wow get over yourself. This rubbish game (and to clarify, I do think it’s a rubbish game) gets so much coverage because it’s so popular. It really is a very simple concept in all forms of life. Easters is a rubbish TV programme, but it’s on every night because it’s popular. Tesco is badly laid out sprawling supermarket, but there are so many of them because they are popular. What does it matter if we are good at it as a nation or not if vast numbers of people like watching it. I also hate cycling, not because of the lycra clad morons who watch it and try to copy by riding in the middle of the road is if it was closed off for their exclusive use, but because it does nothing for me. Nothing to stop you liking it though. I am a huge motor sport fan. We’re not brilliant at it as a nation, but I like watching it. You don’t have to if you don’t want to.[/p][/quote]Eastenders is in fact so rubbish I spelt in wrong in my last post! stopmoaning1

3:13pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Blind Haze says...

Firestormgjc wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
Firestormgjc wrote: BTW, Shoebury-cyclist ,using JTL's win in the Tour of the Med as an example of success and then dismissing Chelseas win in the Champions league is twisting the facts a little bit don't you think. The tour of the Med is a category 2.1 event which, as you know is basically, a third division event . Perhaps we should leveling it up for football with winners of the Anglo-Italian cup
Didn't Batistuta score a hat trick against Southend for Fiorentina some 20 years ago in the Anglo-Italian? I have a childhood memory of listening to that one on the radio. That and listening to Notts County beat us on penalties in the JPT area final. I hope it's not a premonition for tonight...
Cant remember the hattrick but hearing the names Batistuta and Bodley in the same sentance was surreal...
The Graham Bressington missed penalty still haunts me
Unfortunately they are not childhood memories (the Brentford game was only 19 years ago)
I was at Roots Hall when we lost 3v0 to Brentford in the JPT or whatever it was called then - I was also there as we beat Torquay 7v0 and Aldershot 10v1 in the same competition the same season.
My old man also took me to Orient in that promotion season and we won 1v0 with Andy Ansah getting the winner in the second half... Another 1v0 win tonight would be nice...
[quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: BTW, Shoebury-cyclist ,using JTL's win in the Tour of the Med as an example of success and then dismissing Chelseas win in the Champions league is twisting the facts a little bit don't you think. The tour of the Med is a category 2.1 event which, as you know is basically, a third division event . Perhaps we should leveling it up for football with winners of the Anglo-Italian cup[/p][/quote]Didn't Batistuta score a hat trick against Southend for Fiorentina some 20 years ago in the Anglo-Italian? I have a childhood memory of listening to that one on the radio. That and listening to Notts County beat us on penalties in the JPT area final. I hope it's not a premonition for tonight...[/p][/quote]Cant remember the hattrick but hearing the names Batistuta and Bodley in the same sentance was surreal... The Graham Bressington missed penalty still haunts me Unfortunately they are not childhood memories (the Brentford game was only 19 years ago)[/p][/quote]I was at Roots Hall when we lost 3v0 to Brentford in the JPT or whatever it was called then - I was also there as we beat Torquay 7v0 and Aldershot 10v1 in the same competition the same season. My old man also took me to Orient in that promotion season and we won 1v0 with Andy Ansah getting the winner in the second half... Another 1v0 win tonight would be nice... Blind Haze

3:18pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

It seems that Shoebury_notreallyac
yclist_justastroppyb
lokewithabike is the only one who isn't agreeing with this.

Thats a surprise.....
It seems that Shoebury_notreallyac yclist_justastroppyb lokewithabike is the only one who isn't agreeing with this. Thats a surprise..... Firestormgjc

3:59pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?
Why tar all the fans with the same brush when you very realy hear about Southed fans causing a problem?

You say druggies but what about the cyclist's wet dream Lance Armstrong you seem to have forgotton he was a winner through drugs.

How would you like it if people were to brand all cyclist as druggies because of one mans actions?

The mentality you show in your grouping all players and fans as druggies, rapists, racists and thugs is everdent of somebody who cares little for fact and will only beleive the vices they heaar in their heads telling them what they want to hear as fact.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?[/p][/quote]Why tar all the fans with the same brush when you very realy hear about Southed fans causing a problem? You say druggies but what about the cyclist's wet dream Lance Armstrong you seem to have forgotton he was a winner through drugs. How would you like it if people were to brand all cyclist as druggies because of one mans actions? The mentality you show in your grouping all players and fans as druggies, rapists, racists and thugs is everdent of somebody who cares little for fact and will only beleive the vices they heaar in their heads telling them what they want to hear as fact. Joe Wildman-Clark

4:00pm Wed 20 Feb 13

DannyButcher says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!
When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months.
In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years.

In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year.

But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.
Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.
But why? England, in fact the entire UK, are crap at football. Many of the players are spoiled thugs, rapists, alcoholics or violent thugs, they never win anything for their country, they take no pride in representing their country.

Yet sports we are successful at are sidelined in favour of this losers sport.
You're joking right?

Cycling is hardly a sport that is void of controversy. And on top of that, it is not exactly entertaining.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this![/p][/quote]When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.[/p][/quote]Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.[/p][/quote]But why? England, in fact the entire UK, are crap at football. Many of the players are spoiled thugs, rapists, alcoholics or violent thugs, they never win anything for their country, they take no pride in representing their country. Yet sports we are successful at are sidelined in favour of this losers sport.[/p][/quote]You're joking right? Cycling is hardly a sport that is void of controversy. And on top of that, it is not exactly entertaining. DannyButcher

4:09pm Wed 20 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Firestormgjc wrote:
It seems that Shoebury_notreallyac

yclist_justastroppyb

lokewithabike is the only one who isn't agreeing with this.

Thats a surprise.....
There is a pattern with every one of his posts on any subject. He makes an inane comment and will always answer stupid replies.
However, as soon as there’s a reasoned argument, tumbleweed……..
[quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: It seems that Shoebury_notreallyac yclist_justastroppyb lokewithabike is the only one who isn't agreeing with this. Thats a surprise.....[/p][/quote]There is a pattern with every one of his posts on any subject. He makes an inane comment and will always answer stupid replies. However, as soon as there’s a reasoned argument, tumbleweed…….. stopmoaning1

4:11pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Dinosaur_Jr wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports
"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences "

Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.
There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams).

Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year.

Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling.

Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.
I said Britain, not Europe. There's a difference. Want me to show you a map?
[quote][p][bold]Dinosaur_Jr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.[/p][/quote]One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports[/p][/quote]"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences " Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.[/p][/quote]There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams). Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year. Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling. Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.[/p][/quote]I said Britain, not Europe. There's a difference. Want me to show you a map? Shoebury_Cyclist

4:12pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Boyracer_1991 says...

Seems like a good old punch up was on the cards. Bring back the times when football violence was at its all time high! Id love to see that again on our terraces.
Seems like a good old punch up was on the cards. Bring back the times when football violence was at its all time high! Id love to see that again on our terraces. Boyracer_1991

4:15pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Ciaran mc says...

Shoebury_Cyclist You really have nothing better than to moan about other people’s lives, yes I’m not saying this is acceptable however, every article on this website i see you pop up,

One foot in the grave a past time classic?

The lads are not from Grays.
Shoebury_Cyclist You really have nothing better than to moan about other people’s lives, yes I’m not saying this is acceptable however, every article on this website i see you pop up, One foot in the grave a past time classic? The lads are not from Grays. Ciaran mc

4:16pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Ciaran mc says...

Boyracer_1991 wrote:
Seems like a good old punch up was on the cards. Bring back the times when football violence was at its all time high! Id love to see that again on our terraces.
Football specials and free rail tickets on persil!
[quote][p][bold]Boyracer_1991[/bold] wrote: Seems like a good old punch up was on the cards. Bring back the times when football violence was at its all time high! Id love to see that again on our terraces.[/p][/quote]Football specials and free rail tickets on persil! Ciaran mc

4:20pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

DannyButcher wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at.

It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love.

Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!
When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months.
In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years.

In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year.

But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.
Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.
But why? England, in fact the entire UK, are crap at football. Many of the players are spoiled thugs, rapists, alcoholics or violent thugs, they never win anything for their country, they take no pride in representing their country.

Yet sports we are successful at are sidelined in favour of this losers sport.
You're joking right?

Cycling is hardly a sport that is void of controversy. And on top of that, it is not exactly entertaining.
Not entertaining? Actual athletes competing over hundreds, sometimes thousands, of miles? Who can be involved in horrendous crashes, and get straight back up and carry on racing?
Compare that to a bunch of overpaid drunken thugs kicking a ball around, who ned ten months on their backsides every time they sprain and ankle, who've not won anything for their country since 1966.
[quote][p][bold]DannyButcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this![/p][/quote]When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.[/p][/quote]Don't really understand what you're getting at. So what? The media coverage of football is greater than that of cycling because more people are interested in it. End of.[/p][/quote]But why? England, in fact the entire UK, are crap at football. Many of the players are spoiled thugs, rapists, alcoholics or violent thugs, they never win anything for their country, they take no pride in representing their country. Yet sports we are successful at are sidelined in favour of this losers sport.[/p][/quote]You're joking right? Cycling is hardly a sport that is void of controversy. And on top of that, it is not exactly entertaining.[/p][/quote]Not entertaining? Actual athletes competing over hundreds, sometimes thousands, of miles? Who can be involved in horrendous crashes, and get straight back up and carry on racing? Compare that to a bunch of overpaid drunken thugs kicking a ball around, who ned ten months on their backsides every time they sprain and ankle, who've not won anything for their country since 1966. Shoebury_Cyclist

4:28pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Ciaran mc says...

SHUT UP^^
SHUT UP^^ Ciaran mc

4:29pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!
When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.
Brits dominate world cycling year after year ? You don't know this sport do you

You yourself said that Wiggins was the first british TDF winner ever.

Who were the last Brits to win the Vuelta or the Giro ?

We have only had two world Road Champions since 1927 and one of them was killed by drug abuse two years later.

Cycling is getting its act together re PED's and as a result the level playing field is allowing the previously non competitive clean Brits to come to the fore (Wiggins would not have won the TDF if Contador and Schleck had not been banned and the other Schlech not been injured) but in comparison Football has not had the level of world wide attention of the drugs testers (Contadors physician had links to Spanish football )
I suggest you have a look at the world cycling wins British cyclists have had over the past 50 years. It seems you don't understand the term 'cycling'. That doesn't just mean people of racing bikes in a velodrome, or on the TdF, there is a lot more to cycling than road racing.

Here, the from the 60s up until 2009, so it doesn't even include London 2012, the TdF, or the UCI World track championships since 2009.

There's too much achievement for me to list here, so I'll just link the site:

http://www.britishcy
cling.org.uk/50th-an
ni/article/bc-50-Yea
rs-Of-British-Cyclin
g-News-The-60s

Meanwhile it is easy to list British world footballing achievements:
[quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this![/p][/quote]When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.[/p][/quote]Brits dominate world cycling year after year ? You don't know this sport do you You yourself said that Wiggins was the first british TDF winner ever. Who were the last Brits to win the Vuelta or the Giro ? We have only had two world Road Champions since 1927 and one of them was killed by drug abuse two years later. Cycling is getting its act together re PED's and as a result the level playing field is allowing the previously non competitive clean Brits to come to the fore (Wiggins would not have won the TDF if Contador and Schleck had not been banned and the other Schlech not been injured) but in comparison Football has not had the level of world wide attention of the drugs testers (Contadors physician had links to Spanish football )[/p][/quote]I suggest you have a look at the world cycling wins British cyclists have had over the past 50 years. It seems you don't understand the term 'cycling'. That doesn't just mean people of racing bikes in a velodrome, or on the TdF, there is a lot more to cycling than road racing. Here, the from the 60s up until 2009, so it doesn't even include London 2012, the TdF, or the UCI World track championships since 2009. There's too much achievement for me to list here, so I'll just link the site: http://www.britishcy cling.org.uk/50th-an ni/article/bc-50-Yea rs-Of-British-Cyclin g-News-The-60s Meanwhile it is easy to list British world footballing achievements: Shoebury_Cyclist

4:30pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Ciaran mc wrote:
SHUT UP^^
No.
[quote][p][bold]Ciaran mc[/bold] wrote: SHUT UP^^[/p][/quote]No. Shoebury_Cyclist

4:38pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Dinosaur_Jr says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Dinosaur_Jr wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports
"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences "

Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.
There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams).

Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year.

Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling.

Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.
I said Britain, not Europe. There's a difference. Want me to show you a map?
Yes there is a geographical difference, you're quite right there. Well done.

For comparison however, it is not possible to fairly compare the two sports at a national level. Professional cycling is just too small in the UK.

But if you want I'll make a comparison. There have been 4 British stage winners of the TDF in recent years. One of whom has tested positive for a banned substance (David Millar).

Again I ask you to submit evidence that football (British or otherwise) is full of 'druggies'.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dinosaur_Jr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.[/p][/quote]One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports[/p][/quote]"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences " Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.[/p][/quote]There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams). Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year. Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling. Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.[/p][/quote]I said Britain, not Europe. There's a difference. Want me to show you a map?[/p][/quote]Yes there is a geographical difference, you're quite right there. Well done. For comparison however, it is not possible to fairly compare the two sports at a national level. Professional cycling is just too small in the UK. But if you want I'll make a comparison. There have been 4 British stage winners of the TDF in recent years. One of whom has tested positive for a banned substance (David Millar). Again I ask you to submit evidence that football (British or otherwise) is full of 'druggies'. Dinosaur_Jr

4:48pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Ciaran mc says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Ciaran mc wrote: SHUT UP^^
No.
Miserable old git
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ciaran mc[/bold] wrote: SHUT UP^^[/p][/quote]No.[/p][/quote]Miserable old git Ciaran mc

4:50pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Ciaran mc says...

Dinosaur_Jr wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Dinosaur_Jr wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports
"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences " Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.
There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams). Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year. Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling. Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.
I said Britain, not Europe. There's a difference. Want me to show you a map?
Yes there is a geographical difference, you're quite right there. Well done. For comparison however, it is not possible to fairly compare the two sports at a national level. Professional cycling is just too small in the UK. But if you want I'll make a comparison. There have been 4 British stage winners of the TDF in recent years. One of whom has tested positive for a banned substance (David Millar). Again I ask you to submit evidence that football (British or otherwise) is full of 'druggies'.
There’s more drugs being circulated around schools than football grounds, don’t associate football fans as druggies
[quote][p][bold]Dinosaur_Jr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dinosaur_Jr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.[/p][/quote]One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports[/p][/quote]"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences " Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.[/p][/quote]There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams). Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year. Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling. Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.[/p][/quote]I said Britain, not Europe. There's a difference. Want me to show you a map?[/p][/quote]Yes there is a geographical difference, you're quite right there. Well done. For comparison however, it is not possible to fairly compare the two sports at a national level. Professional cycling is just too small in the UK. But if you want I'll make a comparison. There have been 4 British stage winners of the TDF in recent years. One of whom has tested positive for a banned substance (David Millar). Again I ask you to submit evidence that football (British or otherwise) is full of 'druggies'.[/p][/quote]There’s more drugs being circulated around schools than football grounds, don’t associate football fans as druggies Ciaran mc

4:54pm Wed 20 Feb 13

bloke down the pub says...

All the above sums it up. S.O.S. in a nut shell.
All the above sums it up. S.O.S. in a nut shell. bloke down the pub

4:56pm Wed 20 Feb 13

OldSmokey says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Ciaran mc wrote:
SHUT UP^^
No.
You really are "SAD" Try going out a bit more, get yourself a life and STOP MOANING
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ciaran mc[/bold] wrote: SHUT UP^^[/p][/quote]No.[/p][/quote]You really are "SAD" Try going out a bit more, get yourself a life and STOP MOANING OldSmokey

5:09pm Wed 20 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Jodaius wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this!
When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.
Brits dominate world cycling year after year ? You don't know this sport do you

You yourself said that Wiggins was the first british TDF winner ever.

Who were the last Brits to win the Vuelta or the Giro ?

We have only had two world Road Champions since 1927 and one of them was killed by drug abuse two years later.

Cycling is getting its act together re PED's and as a result the level playing field is allowing the previously non competitive clean Brits to come to the fore (Wiggins would not have won the TDF if Contador and Schleck had not been banned and the other Schlech not been injured) but in comparison Football has not had the level of world wide attention of the drugs testers (Contadors physician had links to Spanish football )
I suggest you have a look at the world cycling wins British cyclists have had over the past 50 years. It seems you don't understand the term 'cycling'. That doesn't just mean people of racing bikes in a velodrome, or on the TdF, there is a lot more to cycling than road racing.

Here, the from the 60s up until 2009, so it doesn't even include London 2012, the TdF, or the UCI World track championships since 2009.

There's too much achievement for me to list here, so I'll just link the site:

http://www.britishcy

cling.org.uk/50th-an

ni/article/bc-50-Yea

rs-Of-British-Cyclin

g-News-The-60s

Meanwhile it is easy to list British world footballing achievements:
See, nothing to do with the story or comments, just a list of cycling achievements.
Not relevant to what the rest of us are discussing
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist - you are missing the point (presumably deliberately). The reason you hear about convictions of footballers is because it is such a high profile sport. I'm sure there are plenty of cyclists out there that have committed the offences you have listed, but nobody has heard of them. Also, the number of professional footballers in this country will far outweigh the number of professional cyclists - it's a number's game and there will always be bad apples in any population you choose to look at. It saddens me that so many people still believe the media portrayal of football fans in this country - the vast majority are innocent, law-abiding citizens which just want to enjoy the sport they love. Finally, the reason that there are no 'British' successes in football in the last 12 months is that there is no 'British' football team! The Olympics was always going to be a one-off - this was stated before the event. But if you want to talk about British success in football, you have to look no further than last year's Champions League final, widely regarded as the pinnacle of worldwide club football. And believe me, I am no lover of Chelsea so it pains me to say this![/p][/quote]When I say 'British', I am talking about international level, not club level. So please, show me the trophy wins by England, Scotland, Wales, or Ireland in international football in the last twelve months. In fact I'll be generous I'll allow you to go through the last fifty years. I'll even tell you: FIVE. FIVE wins in FIFTY years. In contrast Brits totally dominate world cycling year after year. But still the media persist in glorifying a grubby scandal ridden ball sport we're no good at.[/p][/quote]Brits dominate world cycling year after year ? You don't know this sport do you You yourself said that Wiggins was the first british TDF winner ever. Who were the last Brits to win the Vuelta or the Giro ? We have only had two world Road Champions since 1927 and one of them was killed by drug abuse two years later. Cycling is getting its act together re PED's and as a result the level playing field is allowing the previously non competitive clean Brits to come to the fore (Wiggins would not have won the TDF if Contador and Schleck had not been banned and the other Schlech not been injured) but in comparison Football has not had the level of world wide attention of the drugs testers (Contadors physician had links to Spanish football )[/p][/quote]I suggest you have a look at the world cycling wins British cyclists have had over the past 50 years. It seems you don't understand the term 'cycling'. That doesn't just mean people of racing bikes in a velodrome, or on the TdF, there is a lot more to cycling than road racing. Here, the from the 60s up until 2009, so it doesn't even include London 2012, the TdF, or the UCI World track championships since 2009. There's too much achievement for me to list here, so I'll just link the site: http://www.britishcy cling.org.uk/50th-an ni/article/bc-50-Yea rs-Of-British-Cyclin g-News-The-60s Meanwhile it is easy to list British world footballing achievements:[/p][/quote]See, nothing to do with the story or comments, just a list of cycling achievements. Not relevant to what the rest of us are discussing stopmoaning1

5:12pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Boyracer_1991 says...

Ciaran mc wrote:
SHUT UP^^
He does make a point.
[quote][p][bold]Ciaran mc[/bold] wrote: SHUT UP^^[/p][/quote]He does make a point. Boyracer_1991

5:25pm Wed 20 Feb 13

DannyButcher says...

Boyracer_1991 wrote:
Ciaran mc wrote:
SHUT UP^^
He does make a point.
Does anyone else want to say to the Shoebury_cyclist....
.......... Get on yer bike!
[quote][p][bold]Boyracer_1991[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ciaran mc[/bold] wrote: SHUT UP^^[/p][/quote]He does make a point.[/p][/quote]Does anyone else want to say to the Shoebury_cyclist.... .......... Get on yer bike! DannyButcher

6:29pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Baker-Boy says...

Are these really the comments to this story its a joke. Every sport man/woman are out there to be the best they can be. The type of sport they are does not make up their DNA to what they are like as human being ie drug take or anything. The same goes for the fans, there alway the bad eggs like this story suggest however there may well be ten thousand people watch this game tonight most will watch enjoy and go home. There may be a few people in trouble but that the same in all walks of life. People blame footballers for want more money all the time but let's be fair there is people willing to pay it and the sports man just wsnt to earn enough for their family same as every person.

I seen people on here comparing team sport to individual sport which is impossible. How many cycling events each year double treble figures no doub yet football their a major international tournament ever two years. I would be very upset if the individual sports were not winning more

Moan over now my comment on the story I think this is ver good policing and pro active ahead of a football match tonight well done
Are these really the comments to this story its a joke. Every sport man/woman are out there to be the best they can be. The type of sport they are does not make up their DNA to what they are like as human being ie drug take or anything. The same goes for the fans, there alway the bad eggs like this story suggest however there may well be ten thousand people watch this game tonight most will watch enjoy and go home. There may be a few people in trouble but that the same in all walks of life. People blame footballers for want more money all the time but let's be fair there is people willing to pay it and the sports man just wsnt to earn enough for their family same as every person. I seen people on here comparing team sport to individual sport which is impossible. How many cycling events each year double treble figures no doub yet football their a major international tournament ever two years. I would be very upset if the individual sports were not winning more Moan over now my comment on the story I think this is ver good policing and pro active ahead of a football match tonight well done Baker-Boy

6:43pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Elephantman2 says...

Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports
Cycling conducts a comprehensive range of drug tests to catch the cheats. Football does FA; Tennis does so little that the top players are asking to be tested; Athletics does not test enough..... I could go on but why let facts get in the way of the BS. Cycling test and it catches the cheats; most other sports aren't that bothered.
[quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.[/p][/quote]One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports[/p][/quote]Cycling conducts a comprehensive range of drug tests to catch the cheats. Football does FA; Tennis does so little that the top players are asking to be tested; Athletics does not test enough..... I could go on but why let facts get in the way of the BS. Cycling test and it catches the cheats; most other sports aren't that bothered. Elephantman2

6:49pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Elephantman2 says...

Dinosaur_Jr wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports
"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences "

Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.
There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams).

Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year.

Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling.

Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.
If you don't test enough you don't catch anyone. How many times do footballers get tested in the Premiership? The average pro cyclist is tested 10 to 20 times a year.
[quote][p][bold]Dinosaur_Jr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.[/p][/quote]One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports[/p][/quote]"and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences " Please, feel free to share your references for this claim. Actual proper comparisons of football and cycling for drink, drug, rape, racism, and violence convictions.[/p][/quote]There are c. 60,000 professional footballers in Europe compared to c. 1,000 cyclists racing for professional teams in Europe (across 40 teams). Last year at least 8 cyclists tested positive for banned substances (apparently this is considered to be a good year) which means that c. 0.8% of all professional cyclists are caught doping. Again, last year was a good year. Translate this to professional footballers in Europe and there would need to be c. 500 positive tests per year for football to be as drug riddled as professorial cycling. Could you please post links to these 500 cases. You seem to to happy to post links on these forums so I suspect this thread will not be any different.[/p][/quote]If you don't test enough you don't catch anyone. How many times do footballers get tested in the Premiership? The average pro cyclist is tested 10 to 20 times a year. Elephantman2

7:11pm Wed 20 Feb 13

everyoneh850 says...

Face it no-one gives a fook about cycling its probably the most boring sport to watch in the world it's on par with trainspotting. Football is the most popular sport in the world for reason it's exciting and fans go absolutely mental whilst watching it. Some fans like to have a punch up before the game and that's there choice. They don't fight inncoent people they fight other fans. A lot of the fights are pre-arranged before the game. Away from other members of the public. But the rivalry is all part and parcel of the game and has been going on since football first started and is never going to go away.
Face it no-one gives a fook about cycling its probably the most boring sport to watch in the world it's on par with trainspotting. Football is the most popular sport in the world for reason it's exciting and fans go absolutely mental whilst watching it. Some fans like to have a punch up before the game and that's there choice. They don't fight inncoent people they fight other fans. A lot of the fights are pre-arranged before the game. Away from other members of the public. But the rivalry is all part and parcel of the game and has been going on since football first started and is never going to go away. everyoneh850

7:22pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?
Why tar all the fans with the same brush when you very realy hear about Southed fans causing a problem?

You say druggies but what about the cyclist's wet dream Lance Armstrong you seem to have forgotton he was a winner through drugs.

How would you like it if people were to brand all cyclist as druggies because of one mans actions?

The mentality you show in your grouping all players and fans as druggies, rapists, racists and thugs is everdent of somebody who cares little for fact and will only beleive the vices they heaar in their heads telling them what they want to hear as fact.
I would like to again ask shoesbury_cyclist my questions.

Why tar all fans with the same brush, if you are happy to do so can the rest of us point at Lance Armstrong and say he took drugs all cyclists take drugs?

No

No, it's not alright and neither is it for you to point the finger at all football plays and fans and tar them with one brush, you make yourself look foolish with your view of one caps fits all.

I am not saying all footballers are clean, I'm not saying all cyclists take drugs you will get bad sports in all sports but what you can not do is say ALL footballers take drugs and all football fans are thugs they are not, unless you can prove that fact than you are only making a fool of yourself.

So please either provide the proof or admit you are wrong failue to provide the proof is evidence in itself that you were wrong to tar all fans and players with the same brush, the actions of somebody who clearly has a blinkerd view and a very closed mind to anyone who has their own opinion that differs to yours.

What a shallow person you must be.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The 'noble' game again. Crowds of thugs worshipping spoiled, ignorant druggies, racists, and rapists. Why does this rubbish game get so much coverage when as a nation we are so bad at it?[/p][/quote]Why tar all the fans with the same brush when you very realy hear about Southed fans causing a problem? You say druggies but what about the cyclist's wet dream Lance Armstrong you seem to have forgotton he was a winner through drugs. How would you like it if people were to brand all cyclist as druggies because of one mans actions? The mentality you show in your grouping all players and fans as druggies, rapists, racists and thugs is everdent of somebody who cares little for fact and will only beleive the vices they heaar in their heads telling them what they want to hear as fact.[/p][/quote]I would like to again ask shoesbury_cyclist my questions. Why tar all fans with the same brush, if you are happy to do so can the rest of us point at Lance Armstrong and say he took drugs all cyclists take drugs? No No, it's not alright and neither is it for you to point the finger at all football plays and fans and tar them with one brush, you make yourself look foolish with your view of one caps fits all. I am not saying all footballers are clean, I'm not saying all cyclists take drugs you will get bad sports in all sports but what you can not do is say ALL footballers take drugs and all football fans are thugs they are not, unless you can prove that fact than you are only making a fool of yourself. So please either provide the proof or admit you are wrong failue to provide the proof is evidence in itself that you were wrong to tar all fans and players with the same brush, the actions of somebody who clearly has a blinkerd view and a very closed mind to anyone who has their own opinion that differs to yours. What a shallow person you must be. Joe Wildman-Clark

7:24pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

everyoneh850 wrote:
Face it no-one gives a fook about cycling its probably the most boring sport to watch in the world it's on par with trainspotting. Football is the most popular sport in the world for reason it's exciting and fans go absolutely mental whilst watching it. Some fans like to have a punch up before the game and that's there choice. They don't fight inncoent people they fight other fans. A lot of the fights are pre-arranged before the game. Away from other members of the public. But the rivalry is all part and parcel of the game and has been going on since football first started and is never going to go away.
Steam traind are intresting real boys toys
[quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: Face it no-one gives a fook about cycling its probably the most boring sport to watch in the world it's on par with trainspotting. Football is the most popular sport in the world for reason it's exciting and fans go absolutely mental whilst watching it. Some fans like to have a punch up before the game and that's there choice. They don't fight inncoent people they fight other fans. A lot of the fights are pre-arranged before the game. Away from other members of the public. But the rivalry is all part and parcel of the game and has been going on since football first started and is never going to go away.[/p][/quote]Steam traind are intresting real boys toys Joe Wildman-Clark

7:29pm Wed 20 Feb 13

another council tax payer says...

Boyracer_1991 wrote:
Seems like a good old punch up was on the cards. Bring back the times when football violence was at its all time high! Id love to see that again on our terraces.
I doubt you were even born but i don`t doubt you would have soiled your underwear
[quote][p][bold]Boyracer_1991[/bold] wrote: Seems like a good old punch up was on the cards. Bring back the times when football violence was at its all time high! Id love to see that again on our terraces.[/p][/quote]I doubt you were even born but i don`t doubt you would have soiled your underwear another council tax payer

7:57pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Dinosaur_Jr says...

Elephantman2 wrote:
Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports
Cycling conducts a comprehensive range of drug tests to catch the cheats. Football does FA; Tennis does so little that the top players are asking to be tested; Athletics does not test enough..... I could go on but why let facts get in the way of the BS. Cycling test and it catches the cheats; most other sports aren't that bothered.
Football does FA. Another poster who doesn't seem to like letting facts get in the way.

The FA follows and goes beyond Wada's recommendations by also conducting tests for, EPO, recreational drugs in addition to introducing blood profiling last year.

Of course football (like all sports) could do more. However, the fact that completly random testing (at a match, at the training ground and even at home) has not thrown up a significant number of serious high profile cases of PED use, would strongly suggest that football doesn't have a drug problem on the scale of professional cycling.
[quote][p][bold]Elephantman2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.[/p][/quote]One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports[/p][/quote]Cycling conducts a comprehensive range of drug tests to catch the cheats. Football does FA; Tennis does so little that the top players are asking to be tested; Athletics does not test enough..... I could go on but why let facts get in the way of the BS. Cycling test and it catches the cheats; most other sports aren't that bothered.[/p][/quote]Football does FA. Another poster who doesn't seem to like letting facts get in the way. The FA follows and goes beyond Wada's recommendations by also conducting tests for, EPO, recreational drugs in addition to introducing blood profiling last year. Of course football (like all sports) could do more. However, the fact that completly random testing (at a match, at the training ground and even at home) has not thrown up a significant number of serious high profile cases of PED use, would strongly suggest that football doesn't have a drug problem on the scale of professional cycling. Dinosaur_Jr

9:05pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Carnabackable says...

REMEMBER, THE OLYMPICS ARE FOR SPORTING NEWBIES...........

FOOTBALL IS FOR PROFESSIONALS....
REMEMBER, THE OLYMPICS ARE FOR SPORTING NEWBIES........... FOOTBALL IS FOR PROFESSIONALS.... Carnabackable

9:50pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Ciaran mc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Ciaran mc wrote: SHUT UP^^
No.
Miserable old git
Don't put yourself down.
[quote][p][bold]Ciaran mc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ciaran mc[/bold] wrote: SHUT UP^^[/p][/quote]No.[/p][/quote]Miserable old git[/p][/quote]Don't put yourself down. Shoebury_Cyclist

10:45pm Wed 20 Feb 13

SpeekinMyBranes says...

Football's for da gayz. Fousends of men worshipin swety men in shorts. gay game for gayz.
Football's for da gayz. Fousends of men worshipin swety men in shorts. gay game for gayz. SpeekinMyBranes

11:13pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

WEMBLEY
WEMBLEY Joe Wildman-Clark

11:18pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Dinosaur_Jr wrote:
Elephantman2 wrote:
Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports
Cycling conducts a comprehensive range of drug tests to catch the cheats. Football does FA; Tennis does so little that the top players are asking to be tested; Athletics does not test enough..... I could go on but why let facts get in the way of the BS. Cycling test and it catches the cheats; most other sports aren't that bothered.
Football does FA. Another poster who doesn't seem to like letting facts get in the way.

The FA follows and goes beyond Wada's recommendations by also conducting tests for, EPO, recreational drugs in addition to introducing blood profiling last year.

Of course football (like all sports) could do more. However, the fact that completly random testing (at a match, at the training ground and even at home) has not thrown up a significant number of serious high profile cases of PED use, would strongly suggest that football doesn't have a drug problem on the scale of professional cycling.
Some people will make statements as fact without checking the facts, these statement of facts they make are facts only in their minds.

It seems shoebury_cyclist is ignoring me asking in questions as I debunked his "facts" he clearly is not intrested in entering into a discussion on the matter and that is a FACT!

Unless of course he starts after reading this!

We will have to wait and see...
[quote][p][bold]Dinosaur_Jr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elephantman2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.[/p][/quote]One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports[/p][/quote]Cycling conducts a comprehensive range of drug tests to catch the cheats. Football does FA; Tennis does so little that the top players are asking to be tested; Athletics does not test enough..... I could go on but why let facts get in the way of the BS. Cycling test and it catches the cheats; most other sports aren't that bothered.[/p][/quote]Football does FA. Another poster who doesn't seem to like letting facts get in the way. The FA follows and goes beyond Wada's recommendations by also conducting tests for, EPO, recreational drugs in addition to introducing blood profiling last year. Of course football (like all sports) could do more. However, the fact that completly random testing (at a match, at the training ground and even at home) has not thrown up a significant number of serious high profile cases of PED use, would strongly suggest that football doesn't have a drug problem on the scale of professional cycling.[/p][/quote]Some people will make statements as fact without checking the facts, these statement of facts they make are facts only in their minds. It seems shoebury_cyclist is ignoring me asking in questions as I debunked his "facts" he clearly is not intrested in entering into a discussion on the matter and that is a FACT! Unless of course he starts after reading this! We will have to wait and see... Joe Wildman-Clark

7:20am Thu 21 Feb 13

Elephantman2 says...

http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/luke-joh
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cion_b_2662165.html?
utm_hp_ref=tw

As this article says football may be about to face its demons. Doping in football has gone on for years and is on going.
http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/luke-joh n/dopin-under-the-ne edle-but-above-suspi cion_b_2662165.html? utm_hp_ref=tw As this article says football may be about to face its demons. Doping in football has gone on for years and is on going. Elephantman2

8:16am Thu 21 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Elephantman2 wrote:
http://www.huffingto

npost.co.uk/luke-joh

n/dopin-under-the-ne

edle-but-above-suspi

cion_b_2662165.html?

utm_hp_ref=tw

As this article says football may be about to face its demons. Doping in football has gone on for years and is on going.
It is NOT just football it is ALL sport that has it's drugs cheats from football to cycling and everything between.

The cyclists here seem to forget the "greatest" cyclist of recent times won by drugs and cheating the tests, not lies by there was an admission of guilt on a US chat show. (if I remember rightly)
[quote][p][bold]Elephantman2[/bold] wrote: http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/luke-joh n/dopin-under-the-ne edle-but-above-suspi cion_b_2662165.html? utm_hp_ref=tw As this article says football may be about to face its demons. Doping in football has gone on for years and is on going.[/p][/quote]It is NOT just football it is ALL sport that has it's drugs cheats from football to cycling and everything between. The cyclists here seem to forget the "greatest" cyclist of recent times won by drugs and cheating the tests, not lies by there was an admission of guilt on a US chat show. (if I remember rightly) Joe Wildman-Clark

9:28am Thu 21 Feb 13

southendshrimper says...

Saxonpride wrote:
Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow.
A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.
How can you paint all football supporters with the same brush. I am not a racist I have friends from other religions & I have close friends that are gay. I passed all my GCSE's at school. I admit they were not the best results but due to health issues that you do not need to know about. I got a job, I'm now married with three great children.
[quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow. A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.[/p][/quote]How can you paint all football supporters with the same brush. I am not a racist I have friends from other religions & I have close friends that are gay. I passed all my GCSE's at school. I admit they were not the best results but due to health issues that you do not need to know about. I got a job, I'm now married with three great children. southendshrimper

9:33am Thu 21 Feb 13

Jodaius says...

everyoneh850 wrote:
Face it no-one gives a fook about cycling its probably the most boring sport to watch in the world it's on par with trainspotting. Football is the most popular sport in the world for reason it's exciting and fans go absolutely mental whilst watching it. Some fans like to have a punch up before the game and that's there choice. They don't fight inncoent people they fight other fans. A lot of the fights are pre-arranged before the game. Away from other members of the public. But the rivalry is all part and parcel of the game and has been going on since football first started and is never going to go away.
Can football fans not be innocent people then?

And let's not confuse violence with rivalry. There is nothing wrong with rivalry, but unfortunately there are a SMALL MINORITY of small-minded fans who feel the only way to express their rivalry is through violence. I put it down to a lack of intelligence.

However, this is a small minority, and the suggestion that the other 99% of fans shouldn't be afforded adequate protection from these idiots beggars belief.
[quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: Face it no-one gives a fook about cycling its probably the most boring sport to watch in the world it's on par with trainspotting. Football is the most popular sport in the world for reason it's exciting and fans go absolutely mental whilst watching it. Some fans like to have a punch up before the game and that's there choice. They don't fight inncoent people they fight other fans. A lot of the fights are pre-arranged before the game. Away from other members of the public. But the rivalry is all part and parcel of the game and has been going on since football first started and is never going to go away.[/p][/quote]Can football fans not be innocent people then? And let's not confuse violence with rivalry. There is nothing wrong with rivalry, but unfortunately there are a SMALL MINORITY of small-minded fans who feel the only way to express their rivalry is through violence. I put it down to a lack of intelligence. However, this is a small minority, and the suggestion that the other 99% of fans shouldn't be afforded adequate protection from these idiots beggars belief. Jodaius

9:45am Thu 21 Feb 13

Elephantman2 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Elephantman2 wrote:
http://www.huffingto


npost.co.uk/luke-joh


n/dopin-under-the-ne


edle-but-above-suspi


cion_b_2662165.html?


utm_hp_ref=tw

As this article says football may be about to face its demons. Doping in football has gone on for years and is on going.
It is NOT just football it is ALL sport that has it's drugs cheats from football to cycling and everything between.

The cyclists here seem to forget the "greatest" cyclist of recent times won by drugs and cheating the tests, not lies by there was an admission of guilt on a US chat show. (if I remember rightly)
Absolutely correct; except cyclist know and understand the problems their sport has. Most fans of other sports don't have a clue as to what is going on within their sport. Tennis and Football have particular problems that are not being addressed. FIFA does not allow blood tests so there is zero change that footballers will be caught using the more sophisticated methods of doping.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elephantman2[/bold] wrote: http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/luke-joh n/dopin-under-the-ne edle-but-above-suspi cion_b_2662165.html? utm_hp_ref=tw As this article says football may be about to face its demons. Doping in football has gone on for years and is on going.[/p][/quote]It is NOT just football it is ALL sport that has it's drugs cheats from football to cycling and everything between. The cyclists here seem to forget the "greatest" cyclist of recent times won by drugs and cheating the tests, not lies by there was an admission of guilt on a US chat show. (if I remember rightly)[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct; except cyclist know and understand the problems their sport has. Most fans of other sports don't have a clue as to what is going on within their sport. Tennis and Football have particular problems that are not being addressed. FIFA does not allow blood tests so there is zero change that footballers will be caught using the more sophisticated methods of doping. Elephantman2

11:14am Thu 21 Feb 13

CaptainBlackadder says...

SpeekinMyBranes wrote:
Football's for da gayz. Fousends of men worshipin swety men in shorts. gay game for gayz.
Can anyone translate this for me please?
[quote][p][bold]SpeekinMyBranes[/bold] wrote: Football's for da gayz. Fousends of men worshipin swety men in shorts. gay game for gayz.[/p][/quote]Can anyone translate this for me please? CaptainBlackadder

1:32pm Thu 21 Feb 13

saddo99 says...

CaptainBlackadder wrote:
SpeekinMyBranes wrote: Football's for da gayz. Fousends of men worshipin swety men in shorts. gay game for gayz.
Can anyone translate this for me please?
No, but I bet Shoebury Cyclist can!
Quack, quack.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainBlackadder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpeekinMyBranes[/bold] wrote: Football's for da gayz. Fousends of men worshipin swety men in shorts. gay game for gayz.[/p][/quote]Can anyone translate this for me please?[/p][/quote]No, but I bet Shoebury Cyclist can! Quack, quack. saddo99

2:15pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Elephantman2 wrote:
Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Elephantman2 wrote:
http://www.huffingto



npost.co.uk/luke-joh



n/dopin-under-the-ne



edle-but-above-suspi



cion_b_2662165.html?



utm_hp_ref=tw

As this article says football may be about to face its demons. Doping in football has gone on for years and is on going.
It is NOT just football it is ALL sport that has it's drugs cheats from football to cycling and everything between.

The cyclists here seem to forget the "greatest" cyclist of recent times won by drugs and cheating the tests, not lies by there was an admission of guilt on a US chat show. (if I remember rightly)
Absolutely correct; except cyclist know and understand the problems their sport has. Most fans of other sports don't have a clue as to what is going on within their sport. Tennis and Football have particular problems that are not being addressed. FIFA does not allow blood tests so there is zero change that footballers will be caught using the more sophisticated methods of doping.
The FA carry out spot drug tests, they can and do just walk in after a game and can test the whole team if they want, they can walk into any training ground and test whenever they want.
[quote][p][bold]Elephantman2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elephantman2[/bold] wrote: http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/luke-joh n/dopin-under-the-ne edle-but-above-suspi cion_b_2662165.html? utm_hp_ref=tw As this article says football may be about to face its demons. Doping in football has gone on for years and is on going.[/p][/quote]It is NOT just football it is ALL sport that has it's drugs cheats from football to cycling and everything between. The cyclists here seem to forget the "greatest" cyclist of recent times won by drugs and cheating the tests, not lies by there was an admission of guilt on a US chat show. (if I remember rightly)[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct; except cyclist know and understand the problems their sport has. Most fans of other sports don't have a clue as to what is going on within their sport. Tennis and Football have particular problems that are not being addressed. FIFA does not allow blood tests so there is zero change that footballers will be caught using the more sophisticated methods of doping.[/p][/quote]The FA carry out spot drug tests, they can and do just walk in after a game and can test the whole team if they want, they can walk into any training ground and test whenever they want. Joe Wildman-Clark

2:30pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Shoebury_cyclist:

Why is it you tar all fans with the same brush, it is a simple question but it seems you lack the morals to actually answer it.

Would it be fair for the rest of us to point at Lance Armstrong and use him as a template to brand all cyclists as drug fueled cheats?

You seem to be happy to brand all football fans as thugs but seem to be totally inept at providing evidence that everyone who supports a football team has a criminal record, unles you can prove this than you have clearly made an unfounded assumption but more likely just lied as it suited your goal.

Such a shame that neanderthal thinking is alive, people could say it is a bigoted opinion.
Shoebury_cyclist: Why is it you tar all fans with the same brush, it is a simple question but it seems you lack the morals to actually answer it. Would it be fair for the rest of us to point at Lance Armstrong and use him as a template to brand all cyclists as drug fueled cheats? You seem to be happy to brand all football fans as thugs but seem to be totally inept at providing evidence that everyone who supports a football team has a criminal record, unles you can prove this than you have clearly made an unfounded assumption but more likely just lied as it suited your goal. Such a shame that neanderthal thinking is alive, people could say it is a bigoted opinion. Joe Wildman-Clark

2:38pm Thu 21 Feb 13

RICH:;CAROL says...

Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?
Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ? RICH:;CAROL

2:48pm Thu 21 Feb 13

RICH:;CAROL says...

SpeekinMyBranes wrote:
Football's for da gayz. Fousends of men worshipin swety men in shorts. gay game for gayz.
Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads. He or she says that footballers are homosexuals , well thats what I think hes saying ? So Rooney, Beckam and others are homos ? Dont think so !
[quote][p][bold]SpeekinMyBranes[/bold] wrote: Football's for da gayz. Fousends of men worshipin swety men in shorts. gay game for gayz.[/p][/quote]Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads. He or she says that footballers are homosexuals , well thats what I think hes saying ? So Rooney, Beckam and others are homos ? Dont think so ! RICH:;CAROL

3:02pm Thu 21 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

RICH:;CAROL wrote:
Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?
Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads
Don't recall this story being about race. Just something you thought you'd throw into the mis for no reason??
[quote][p][bold]RICH:;CAROL[/bold] wrote: Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?[/p][/quote]Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads Don't recall this story being about race. Just something you thought you'd throw into the mis for no reason?? stopmoaning1

4:02pm Thu 21 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
RICH:;CAROL wrote:
Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?
Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads
Don't recall this story being about race. Just something you thought you'd throw into the mis for no reason??
or in to the mix even!
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RICH:;CAROL[/bold] wrote: Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?[/p][/quote]Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads Don't recall this story being about race. Just something you thought you'd throw into the mis for no reason??[/p][/quote]or in to the mix even! stopmoaning1

4:12pm Thu 21 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
RICH:;CAROL wrote:
Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?
Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads
Don't recall this story being about race. Just something you thought you'd throw into the mis for no reason??
or in to the mix even!
However, having introduced the subject out of the blue, you should have checked your facts in order to understand the racism in football at the moment.
There have been problems of late in the world of football with SOME fans racially abusing players, and SOME players racially abusing other players.

But this is NOT what this article or comment stream is about.

So, back to subject with future comments please.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RICH:;CAROL[/bold] wrote: Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?[/p][/quote]Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads Don't recall this story being about race. Just something you thought you'd throw into the mis for no reason??[/p][/quote]or in to the mix even![/p][/quote]However, having introduced the subject out of the blue, you should have checked your facts in order to understand the racism in football at the moment. There have been problems of late in the world of football with SOME fans racially abusing players, and SOME players racially abusing other players. But this is NOT what this article or comment stream is about. So, back to subject with future comments please. stopmoaning1

5:24pm Thu 21 Feb 13

aberline 88 says...

Saxonpride wrote:
Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow.
A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.
i see your sponge then
[quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow. A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.[/p][/quote]i see your sponge then aberline 88

5:27pm Thu 21 Feb 13

aberline 88 says...

Saxonpride wrote:
Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow.
A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.
what do you like? badminton?
[quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: Football is the sport of choice for the uneducated, the crude and the low brow. A fitting national sport for a nation of racists, homophobes, misogynists and anti-intellectual curtain twitchers.[/p][/quote]what do you like? badminton? aberline 88

5:30pm Thu 21 Feb 13

RICH:;CAROL says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
RICH:;CAROL wrote:
Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?
Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads
Don't recall this story being about race. Just something you thought you'd throw into the mis for no reason??
or in to the mix even!
However, having introduced the subject out of the blue, you should have checked your facts in order to understand the racism in football at the moment.
There have been problems of late in the world of football with SOME fans racially abusing players, and SOME players racially abusing other players.

But this is NOT what this article or comment stream is about.

So, back to subject with future comments please.
Theres a few people that have written about football hooligans / racism and I say football hooligans is nothing to to with racist or racism. This country is the best when it comes to football violence, can anyone remember us English stabbing and killing foreign supporters here in the uk. Its worse in every other country. We have the best supporters in Europe and probably around the world.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RICH:;CAROL[/bold] wrote: Why do people call football thugs racists ? ? ? . All football hooligans are mixed raced, Africans, Asians , eastern Europeans and English and thats in one gang of Millwall or Spurs or West Ham etc etc. Where does the racist bit come in to it. I watched last week violence at a Leeds game and the gang running to attack a bunch of other supporters were every colour breed creed and nationality you can think of. Football gangs are a bunch of mixtures so they cant be racist can they ?[/p][/quote]Havent got a clue what this post is about. Must have been posted by one of them crack heads Don't recall this story being about race. Just something you thought you'd throw into the mis for no reason??[/p][/quote]or in to the mix even![/p][/quote]However, having introduced the subject out of the blue, you should have checked your facts in order to understand the racism in football at the moment. There have been problems of late in the world of football with SOME fans racially abusing players, and SOME players racially abusing other players. But this is NOT what this article or comment stream is about. So, back to subject with future comments please.[/p][/quote]Theres a few people that have written about football hooligans / racism and I say football hooligans is nothing to to with racist or racism. This country is the best when it comes to football violence, can anyone remember us English stabbing and killing foreign supporters here in the uk. Its worse in every other country. We have the best supporters in Europe and probably around the world. RICH:;CAROL

5:48pm Thu 21 Feb 13

aberline 88 says...

stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces
stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces aberline 88

6:30pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

aberline 88 wrote:
stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces
Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound by wanting to be part of the cs crew a bunch of idiots who have no place in todays society, anyone who thinks they are in anyway a good thing is by nature a moron.
[quote][p][bold]aberline 88[/bold] wrote: stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces[/p][/quote]Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound by wanting to be part of the cs crew a bunch of idiots who have no place in todays society, anyone who thinks they are in anyway a good thing is by nature a moron. Joe Wildman-Clark

4:16pm Fri 22 Feb 13

aberline 88 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
aberline 88 wrote:
stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces
Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound by wanting to be part of the cs crew a bunch of idiots who have no place in todays society, anyone who thinks they are in anyway a good thing is by nature a moron.
lol you really are wild and untamed, get you tight sponge cycling shorts on and have a peddle around the park, may help your frustration, i could never touch meat until it is cooked, as a youth i used to weep in butchers shops
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aberline 88[/bold] wrote: stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces[/p][/quote]Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound by wanting to be part of the cs crew a bunch of idiots who have no place in todays society, anyone who thinks they are in anyway a good thing is by nature a moron.[/p][/quote]lol you really are wild and untamed, get you tight sponge cycling shorts on and have a peddle around the park, may help your frustration, i could never touch meat until it is cooked, as a youth i used to weep in butchers shops aberline 88

7:11pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Bodoftheglen says...

Jodaius wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Face it no-one gives a fook about cycling its probably the most boring sport to watch in the world it's on par with trainspotting. Football is the most popular sport in the world for reason it's exciting and fans go absolutely mental whilst watching it. Some fans like to have a punch up before the game and that's there choice. They don't fight inncoent people they fight other fans. A lot of the fights are pre-arranged before the game. Away from other members of the public. But the rivalry is all part and parcel of the game and has been going on since football first started and is never going to go away.
Can football fans not be innocent people then?

And let's not confuse violence with rivalry. There is nothing wrong with rivalry, but unfortunately there are a SMALL MINORITY of small-minded fans who feel the only way to express their rivalry is through violence. I put it down to a lack of intelligence.

However, this is a small minority, and the suggestion that the other 99% of fans shouldn't be afforded adequate protection from these idiots beggars belief.
So what there was a punch up. There's a punch up an lots of em every week end in romford don't see no big news stories there. An football violence still goes on its part the parcel of football its a working mans past time if chooses to as for. The people taking part in it I find to be some of the most educated types I know. Given. A choice of watching cycling or football with a chance of punch up. I'd choose the later. That's what's wrong with most people these days there so policately correct you can't be proud of who you are where you come from without being called a racist or a thug. So get on with your metro sexaul style of living shaving your legs cos you go faster on your bikes (yeah right cos it is ) an let us get on with our non shaving beer drinking ways
[quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: Face it no-one gives a fook about cycling its probably the most boring sport to watch in the world it's on par with trainspotting. Football is the most popular sport in the world for reason it's exciting and fans go absolutely mental whilst watching it. Some fans like to have a punch up before the game and that's there choice. They don't fight inncoent people they fight other fans. A lot of the fights are pre-arranged before the game. Away from other members of the public. But the rivalry is all part and parcel of the game and has been going on since football first started and is never going to go away.[/p][/quote]Can football fans not be innocent people then? And let's not confuse violence with rivalry. There is nothing wrong with rivalry, but unfortunately there are a SMALL MINORITY of small-minded fans who feel the only way to express their rivalry is through violence. I put it down to a lack of intelligence. However, this is a small minority, and the suggestion that the other 99% of fans shouldn't be afforded adequate protection from these idiots beggars belief.[/p][/quote]So what there was a punch up. There's a punch up an lots of em every week end in romford don't see no big news stories there. An football violence still goes on its part the parcel of football its a working mans past time if chooses to as for. The people taking part in it I find to be some of the most educated types I know. Given. A choice of watching cycling or football with a chance of punch up. I'd choose the later. That's what's wrong with most people these days there so policately correct you can't be proud of who you are where you come from without being called a racist or a thug. So get on with your metro sexaul style of living shaving your legs cos you go faster on your bikes (yeah right cos it is ) an let us get on with our non shaving beer drinking ways Bodoftheglen

7:46pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

aberline 88 wrote:
Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
aberline 88 wrote:
stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces
Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound by wanting to be part of the cs crew a bunch of idiots who have no place in todays society, anyone who thinks they are in anyway a good thing is by nature a moron.
lol you really are wild and untamed, get you tight sponge cycling shorts on and have a peddle around the park, may help your frustration, i could never touch meat until it is cooked, as a youth i used to weep in butchers shops
Er I don't ride bikes I have a car.
[quote][p][bold]aberline 88[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aberline 88[/bold] wrote: stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces[/p][/quote]Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound by wanting to be part of the cs crew a bunch of idiots who have no place in todays society, anyone who thinks they are in anyway a good thing is by nature a moron.[/p][/quote]lol you really are wild and untamed, get you tight sponge cycling shorts on and have a peddle around the park, may help your frustration, i could never touch meat until it is cooked, as a youth i used to weep in butchers shops[/p][/quote]Er I don't ride bikes I have a car. Joe Wildman-Clark

1:24pm Sun 24 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Dinosaur_Jr wrote:
Elephantman2 wrote:
Firestormgjc wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
whateverhappened wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems
One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.
One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport.
A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since
Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences
And BTW I am a fan of both sports
Cycling conducts a comprehensive range of drug tests to catch the cheats. Football does FA; Tennis does so little that the top players are asking to be tested; Athletics does not test enough..... I could go on but why let facts get in the way of the BS. Cycling test and it catches the cheats; most other sports aren't that bothered.
Football does FA. Another poster who doesn't seem to like letting facts get in the way.

The FA follows and goes beyond Wada's recommendations by also conducting tests for, EPO, recreational drugs in addition to introducing blood profiling last year.

Of course football (like all sports) could do more. However, the fact that completly random testing (at a match, at the training ground and even at home) has not thrown up a significant number of serious high profile cases of PED use, would strongly suggest that football doesn't have a drug problem on the scale of professional cycling.
Some people will make statements as fact without checking the facts, these statement of facts they make are facts only in their minds.

It seems shoebury_cyclist is ignoring me asking in questions as I debunked his "facts" he clearly is not intrested in entering into a discussion on the matter and that is a FACT!

Unless of course he starts after reading this!

We will have to wait and see...
I'm ignoring you because I think you're an idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dinosaur_Jr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elephantman2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ignorant druggies... quite a boast from a cyclist.. dirtiest sport around it seems[/p][/quote]One cyclist, an American. Compare that to BRITISH football's long list of rapists, racists, drug takers, alcoholics, violent thugs… Here's a quick comparison. A brief selection of cycling wins for Britain in the last twelve months: Tour of the Mediterranean - British winner, Jon Teirnan-Locke UCI Track World Championships- Five gold medals London 2012 - 12 medals, 8 of them gold. Paralympics 2012 - 15 medals, five of them gold Tour de France - British winner for the first time ever, Bradley Wiggins Tour of Oman - British winner Chris Froome The Kuurne-Brussels-Kuur ne road race - British winner Mark Cavendish The list goes on... Football wins for Britain in last twelve months: Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Sweet F@nny Adams. British footballers couldn't even win a medal at the Olympics, so they had a tantrum and said they won't be entering a team in Rio. Pathetic. That's why a cyclist is the current Sports Personality of the Year and not a footballer.[/p][/quote]One cyclist , an American, I assume that you don't follow the sport. A Brit died on the TDF due to amphetamine abuse 45 years ago and there have been other brits banned since Add to that the numerous other world leading cyclists banned over the years and it dramatically outweighs the any other sport for drug offences And BTW I am a fan of both sports[/p][/quote]Cycling conducts a comprehensive range of drug tests to catch the cheats. Football does FA; Tennis does so little that the top players are asking to be tested; Athletics does not test enough..... I could go on but why let facts get in the way of the BS. Cycling test and it catches the cheats; most other sports aren't that bothered.[/p][/quote]Football does FA. Another poster who doesn't seem to like letting facts get in the way. The FA follows and goes beyond Wada's recommendations by also conducting tests for, EPO, recreational drugs in addition to introducing blood profiling last year. Of course football (like all sports) could do more. However, the fact that completly random testing (at a match, at the training ground and even at home) has not thrown up a significant number of serious high profile cases of PED use, would strongly suggest that football doesn't have a drug problem on the scale of professional cycling.[/p][/quote]Some people will make statements as fact without checking the facts, these statement of facts they make are facts only in their minds. It seems shoebury_cyclist is ignoring me asking in questions as I debunked his "facts" he clearly is not intrested in entering into a discussion on the matter and that is a FACT! Unless of course he starts after reading this! We will have to wait and see...[/p][/quote]I'm ignoring you because I think you're an idiot. Shoebury_Cyclist

3:12pm Sun 24 Feb 13

aberline 88 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
aberline 88 wrote:
Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
aberline 88 wrote:
stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces
Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound by wanting to be part of the cs crew a bunch of idiots who have no place in todays society, anyone who thinks they are in anyway a good thing is by nature a moron.
lol you really are wild and untamed, get you tight sponge cycling shorts on and have a peddle around the park, may help your frustration, i could never touch meat until it is cooked, as a youth i used to weep in butchers shops
Er I don't ride bikes I have a car.
oh i see, your a kev then or a clarkson, a very dull individual who goes on about cars all the time, i bet your workmates love you every monday morning talking about spark plugs and the shine on your bonnet, how awfull your wing mirror conversations must be, sea, sea, seasiders
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aberline 88[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aberline 88[/bold] wrote: stop going on about cycling, we are here to talk about the cs crew. bring back my terraces[/p][/quote]Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound by wanting to be part of the cs crew a bunch of idiots who have no place in todays society, anyone who thinks they are in anyway a good thing is by nature a moron.[/p][/quote]lol you really are wild and untamed, get you tight sponge cycling shorts on and have a peddle around the park, may help your frustration, i could never touch meat until it is cooked, as a youth i used to weep in butchers shops[/p][/quote]Er I don't ride bikes I have a car.[/p][/quote]oh i see, your a kev then or a clarkson, a very dull individual who goes on about cars all the time, i bet your workmates love you every monday morning talking about spark plugs and the shine on your bonnet, how awfull your wing mirror conversations must be, sea, sea, seasiders aberline 88

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