Fined for picking up schoolchildren 'safely'

Fined for picking up schoolchildren 'safely'

Fined for picking up schoolchildren 'safely'

First published in Local News

BUS operators have been fined while collecting and dropping off children outside the borough’s schools.

Firms, including Cooks Coaches and Compass Travel, have complained to Southend Council they are being unfairly targeted by the borough’s spy car while dropping off children as safely as possible.

Chris Thompson, owner of Compass Travel, based in Leigh, has lost an appeal against a £70 fine which has now risen to £105.

One of his drivers was fined after parking on the School Keep Clear markings, where there are zig zag lines, outside St Michael’s School, in Hadleigh Road, Leigh.

The drivers transport St Michael’s pupils to other schools and sports venues for PE lessons as they don’t have their own playing field.

Mr Thompson said: “Unrestricted areas for parking are a long way from the school.

“The parking spaces either side of the hatched areas are always full of residents, or there is no space for our 16-seat minibus.

“The only safe pick-up area is on the yellow hatchings.

“However, Southend Council thinks pupil safety does not come before revenue raising, and so we have been fined and lost our appeal.”

Mr Thompson has refused to pay the penalty issued on October 9 and the council has now threatened him with bailiffs.

His frustrations are also felt by Cooks Coaches, based in Westcliff.

It received three fines recently, but said the problem is not confined to St Michael’s School.

Owner Bill Cook said: “I don’t disagree with the restrictions, anything for safety, but some schools have no access due to road width, or traffic arrangements nearby.

“Our drivers have two options park and block the road while we wait up to half an hour for pupils, or park safely, but in a restricted area.

“Hadleigh Road and Prittlewell Chase for Chase High and Lancaster School are two problem areas. Where does the council expect us to park legally and safely?”

He added a parking fine meant some contracts were often not that profitable.

Mr Cook said: “Some jobs are worth £150 but if we lose £60 or £70 of that in a fine, they don’t pay. If it’s a parking warden we can sometimes explain, but often it’s the spy car that gets us before we even know about it.

“I don’t know the answer, but I do wonder if they can be more lenient. It needs some sort of sensible agreement.”

The council said it will review the markings at St Michael’s School to see if they could be decreased or resized, and suggested parking in loading areas marked by yellow lines. However, these are available at limited times.

Zulfiqar Ali, the council’s traffic manager, said: “School Keep Clear markings are placed on roads outside schools in order to ensure the safety of schoolchildren and parents.”

Stephen Tompkins, head teacher of St Michael’s School said: “The school is actively working with all parties to ensure the safety of our children and to uphold parking regulations.”

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7:41am Mon 20 Jan 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

what part of that no stopping sign did they not understand..?
why do coach drivers think they have special parking powers to enable them to part on the yellow zig-zags , they are in place and operate at certain times for good reason i suggest they look up why they are in place.

"fined for picking up children" "safely"....yeah while parking on the yellow zig-zag outside the school in a large vehicle obstructing the view for others thats not "safely"
what part of that no stopping sign did they not understand..? why do coach drivers think they have special parking powers to enable them to part on the yellow zig-zags , they are in place and operate at certain times for good reason i suggest they look up why they are in place. "fined for picking up children" "safely"....yeah while parking on the yellow zig-zag outside the school in a large vehicle obstructing the view for others thats not "safely" DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 10

8:52am Mon 20 Jan 14

Laughlust says...

How difficult is it, for these idiots not to see the Zigzag no stopping zone, last time some idiot was on their phone whilst carrying a bus load of kids, now this, triple the fines, might make the difference.
How difficult is it, for these idiots not to see the Zigzag no stopping zone, last time some idiot was on their phone whilst carrying a bus load of kids, now this, triple the fines, might make the difference. Laughlust
  • Score: 6

9:00am Mon 20 Jan 14

stopmoaning1 says...

The yellow zigzags outside schools are there to prevent vehicles stopping in that area for safety reasons. The main reason being so pedestrians, and the children in particular have a clear and unobstructed view of the road when crossing.
Unless Mr Thompson's 16 seater minibus is invisible, that's a large vehicle obstructing any view
The yellow zigzags outside schools are there to prevent vehicles stopping in that area for safety reasons. The main reason being so pedestrians, and the children in particular have a clear and unobstructed view of the road when crossing. Unless Mr Thompson's 16 seater minibus is invisible, that's a large vehicle obstructing any view stopmoaning1
  • Score: 11

9:40am Mon 20 Jan 14

pembury53 says...

agree with all of the above........and if the contracts are really not worth it due to the fines then stop the service and let parents take it up with council...
agree with all of the above........and if the contracts are really not worth it due to the fines then stop the service and let parents take it up with council... pembury53
  • Score: 12

9:47am Mon 20 Jan 14

sjreynolds143 says...

Rubbish.

The zig zags are only useful at school pick up and drop off times, as that's when you get large numbers of children being dropped off

School coaches, on the other hand, 99 times out of 100, pick up pupils after registration when there is not the same issue.

If you want to see the problem, go and stand outside Fairways. There is officially no stopping anywhere along The Fairway, and Woodcutters/Bohemia is difficult enough for cars - there's no way you'd get a coach down them. Where, then, are the coaches expected to stop? On the zig zags is the only feasible place.
Rubbish. The zig zags are only useful at school pick up and drop off times, as that's when you get large numbers of children being dropped off School coaches, on the other hand, 99 times out of 100, pick up pupils after registration when there is not the same issue. If you want to see the problem, go and stand outside Fairways. There is officially no stopping anywhere along The Fairway, and Woodcutters/Bohemia is difficult enough for cars - there's no way you'd get a coach down them. Where, then, are the coaches expected to stop? On the zig zags is the only feasible place. sjreynolds143
  • Score: 1

9:52am Mon 20 Jan 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

" The drivers transport St Michael’s pupils to other schools and sports venues for PE lessons as they don’t have their own playing field.

Mr Thompson said: “Unrestricted areas for parking are a long way from the school.

“The parking spaces either side of the hatched areas are always full of residents, or there is no space for our 16-seat minibus.

“The only safe pick-up area is on the yellow hatchings. "

___________________
The only safe area...?....Wrong...
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This school has a carpark large enough to put a 16 seat mini bus(Merc Sprinter/Transit) in for 30 minutes..!! reverse in drive out, simple enough. Doh.
" The drivers transport St Michael’s pupils to other schools and sports venues for PE lessons as they don’t have their own playing field. Mr Thompson said: “Unrestricted areas for parking are a long way from the school. “The parking spaces either side of the hatched areas are always full of residents, or there is no space for our 16-seat minibus. “The only safe pick-up area is on the yellow hatchings. " ___________________ The only safe area...?....Wrong... . This school has a carpark large enough to put a 16 seat mini bus(Merc Sprinter/Transit) in for 30 minutes..!! reverse in drive out, simple enough. Doh. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 15

9:57am Mon 20 Jan 14

Howard Cháse says...

These drivers are doing it all wrong they neex to park up on the pavement/cycle path and after driving there in their pyjamas smoking a spliff, talking on their mobies and swigging cans of beer. Seems to be the way parents do it round where I live and they never seem to get punished for it. In fact they get rewarded by having their miserable facesin the paper for crying about how unsafe it is for porky little Derwayne and Chardonnay to walk more than three yards or cross the road made unsafe by their irresponsible parking habits.


Observe and mimic them bus driver man. You'll get away with it....
These drivers are doing it all wrong they neex to park up on the pavement/cycle path and after driving there in their pyjamas smoking a spliff, talking on their mobies and swigging cans of beer. Seems to be the way parents do it round where I live and they never seem to get punished for it. In fact they get rewarded by having their miserable facesin the paper for crying about how unsafe it is for porky little Derwayne and Chardonnay to walk more than three yards or cross the road made unsafe by their irresponsible parking habits. Observe and mimic them bus driver man. You'll get away with it.... Howard Cháse
  • Score: -10

10:06am Mon 20 Jan 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

sjreynolds143 wrote:
Rubbish.

The zig zags are only useful at school pick up and drop off times, as that's when you get large numbers of children being dropped off

School coaches, on the other hand, 99 times out of 100, pick up pupils after registration when there is not the same issue.

If you want to see the problem, go and stand outside Fairways. There is officially no stopping anywhere along The Fairway, and Woodcutters/Bohemia is difficult enough for cars - there's no way you'd get a coach down them. Where, then, are the coaches expected to stop? On the zig zags is the only feasible place.
After 9.30am and they are ok to park, but not between 2.30 and 4.30pm...avoid those times and things are cool.

if you think its ok to park on them after registration and before 9.30am then go ahead fill your boots.
[quote][p][bold]sjreynolds143[/bold] wrote: Rubbish. The zig zags are only useful at school pick up and drop off times, as that's when you get large numbers of children being dropped off School coaches, on the other hand, 99 times out of 100, pick up pupils after registration when there is not the same issue. If you want to see the problem, go and stand outside Fairways. There is officially no stopping anywhere along The Fairway, and Woodcutters/Bohemia is difficult enough for cars - there's no way you'd get a coach down them. Where, then, are the coaches expected to stop? On the zig zags is the only feasible place.[/p][/quote]After 9.30am and they are ok to park, but not between 2.30 and 4.30pm...avoid those times and things are cool. if you think its ok to park on them after registration and before 9.30am then go ahead fill your boots. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 8

2:18pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Kim Gandy says...

There is no simple answer. We all know zig zags and hatching are no parking areas but if the pick up and drop off point is away from the school that can present problems too.

Then there are local residents to take into consideration.

You cannot please all of the people all of the time.
There is no simple answer. We all know zig zags and hatching are no parking areas but if the pick up and drop off point is away from the school that can present problems too. Then there are local residents to take into consideration. You cannot please all of the people all of the time. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -3

2:27pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Benefit-Scrounger says...

As a member of society who don't give two hoots about anything, parking illegally don't concern me because I simply just don't pay the fine. Maybe if people did research into it a little bit more then you would find nothing ever happens for failing to pay a parking ticket. But back to the point, where are the kids going to be dropped off then? No common sense nowadays amongst our scumbag workers such as parking wardens. That's why I scrounge and basically stick a middle finger up to all of you. Thank for very much indeed.
As a member of society who don't give two hoots about anything, parking illegally don't concern me because I simply just don't pay the fine. Maybe if people did research into it a little bit more then you would find nothing ever happens for failing to pay a parking ticket. But back to the point, where are the kids going to be dropped off then? No common sense nowadays amongst our scumbag workers such as parking wardens. That's why I scrounge and basically stick a middle finger up to all of you. Thank for very much indeed. Benefit-Scrounger
  • Score: -7

5:06pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Letmetryagain says...

They were fined for parking illegally.
They were fined for parking illegally. Letmetryagain
  • Score: 4

5:30pm Mon 20 Jan 14

John T Pharro says...

Benefit-Scrounger wrote:
As a member of society who don't give two hoots about anything, parking illegally don't concern me because I simply just don't pay the fine. Maybe if people did research into it a little bit more then you would find nothing ever happens for failing to pay a parking ticket. But back to the point, where are the kids going to be dropped off then? No common sense nowadays amongst our scumbag workers such as parking wardens. That's why I scrounge and basically stick a middle finger up to all of you. Thank for very much indeed.
Member of society? Eh NO.
[quote][p][bold]Benefit-Scrounger[/bold] wrote: As a member of society who don't give two hoots about anything, parking illegally don't concern me because I simply just don't pay the fine. Maybe if people did research into it a little bit more then you would find nothing ever happens for failing to pay a parking ticket. But back to the point, where are the kids going to be dropped off then? No common sense nowadays amongst our scumbag workers such as parking wardens. That's why I scrounge and basically stick a middle finger up to all of you. Thank for very much indeed.[/p][/quote]Member of society? Eh NO. John T Pharro
  • Score: 4

5:34pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Benefit-Scrounger says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Benefit-Scrounger wrote:
As a member of society who don't give two hoots about anything, parking illegally don't concern me because I simply just don't pay the fine. Maybe if people did research into it a little bit more then you would find nothing ever happens for failing to pay a parking ticket. But back to the point, where are the kids going to be dropped off then? No common sense nowadays amongst our scumbag workers such as parking wardens. That's why I scrounge and basically stick a middle finger up to all of you. Thank for very much indeed.
Member of society? Eh NO.
Every community needs its benefit claimants.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benefit-Scrounger[/bold] wrote: As a member of society who don't give two hoots about anything, parking illegally don't concern me because I simply just don't pay the fine. Maybe if people did research into it a little bit more then you would find nothing ever happens for failing to pay a parking ticket. But back to the point, where are the kids going to be dropped off then? No common sense nowadays amongst our scumbag workers such as parking wardens. That's why I scrounge and basically stick a middle finger up to all of you. Thank for very much indeed.[/p][/quote]Member of society? Eh NO.[/p][/quote]Every community needs its benefit claimants. Benefit-Scrounger
  • Score: -2

5:39pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Howard Cháse says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Benefit-Scrounger wrote:
As a member of society who don't give two hoots about anything, parking illegally don't concern me because I simply just don't pay the fine. Maybe if people did research into it a little bit more then you would find nothing ever happens for failing to pay a parking ticket. But back to the point, where are the kids going to be dropped off then? No common sense nowadays amongst our scumbag workers such as parking wardens. That's why I scrounge and basically stick a middle finger up to all of you. Thank for very much indeed.
Member of society? Eh NO.
He's a proper member though.....
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benefit-Scrounger[/bold] wrote: As a member of society who don't give two hoots about anything, parking illegally don't concern me because I simply just don't pay the fine. Maybe if people did research into it a little bit more then you would find nothing ever happens for failing to pay a parking ticket. But back to the point, where are the kids going to be dropped off then? No common sense nowadays amongst our scumbag workers such as parking wardens. That's why I scrounge and basically stick a middle finger up to all of you. Thank for very much indeed.[/p][/quote]Member of society? Eh NO.[/p][/quote]He's a proper member though..... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 3

5:40pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Howard Cháse says...

Howard Cháse wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Benefit-Scrounger wrote:
As a member of society who don't give two hoots about anything, parking illegally don't concern me because I simply just don't pay the fine. Maybe if people did research into it a little bit more then you would find nothing ever happens for failing to pay a parking ticket. But back to the point, where are the kids going to be dropped off then? No common sense nowadays amongst our scumbag workers such as parking wardens. That's why I scrounge and basically stick a middle finger up to all of you. Thank for very much indeed.
Member of society? Eh NO.
He's a proper member though.....
He's a Country member.....
[quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benefit-Scrounger[/bold] wrote: As a member of society who don't give two hoots about anything, parking illegally don't concern me because I simply just don't pay the fine. Maybe if people did research into it a little bit more then you would find nothing ever happens for failing to pay a parking ticket. But back to the point, where are the kids going to be dropped off then? No common sense nowadays amongst our scumbag workers such as parking wardens. That's why I scrounge and basically stick a middle finger up to all of you. Thank for very much indeed.[/p][/quote]Member of society? Eh NO.[/p][/quote]He's a proper member though.....[/p][/quote]He's a Country member..... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 2

2:07pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Bernard Fatsack says...

you cannot have one rule for one and another for another, vehicles parked illegally will be reported. Conform or be penalised. The End
you cannot have one rule for one and another for another, vehicles parked illegally will be reported. Conform or be penalised. The End Bernard Fatsack
  • Score: 1

2:24pm Tue 21 Jan 14

MilesBond says...

If that yellow cross hatching is making it a hazardous area it should be removed immediately so that the coach can be parked safely. And why cause hazards by painting it on in the first place?
If that yellow cross hatching is making it a hazardous area it should be removed immediately so that the coach can be parked safely. And why cause hazards by painting it on in the first place? MilesBond
  • Score: 0

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