Would you help clean streets and pay to use loos in Southend?

Echo: The Westborough Community Association at an alley clean up last year The Westborough Community Association at an alley clean up last year

PEOPLE could be asked to help clean streets and be charged to spend a penny in Southend, under new plans.

Southend Council is starting a consultation over plans for a new recycling, waste collection and street cleaning contract.

It is also considering charging people to use its public toilets.

The council hopes the plans could deliver value for money and savings, while maintaining a good service.

The consultation document states the council is looking at “working with volunteers to deliver elements of the service, such as street cleaning”.

The council caused controversy last year by asking volunteers to help run its library service.

But Tony Cox, councillor for transport, waste and public protection, said his department had no plans to have members of the public throwing black bags on to dustcarts.

He said: “We currently have Recycling Champions – people who encourage others to to recycle – and maybe we could expand that.

“The Tories haven’t done a bad job on the street scene in Southend. It’s just us looking to see if there are any ideas we haven’t thought about, is there anything people want?”

Volunteer involvement in keeping streets clean has also been seen in recent years through work by groups such as the Westborough Community Association who have cleared alleyways of hundreds of bags of rubbish.

However, David Webb, 38, the former chairman of the group, is sceptical about wider volunteering involvement.

The 38-year-old, of Fairmead Avenue, Westcliff, said: “Alleyways are different because they aren’t the responsibility of the council. But even with that we found it very hard to get volunteers – we only had about three or four.

“Most people don’t see it as their responsibility, and if they pay their council tax why should they also clean streets? It would seem like cost-cutting.”

The consultation began yesterday and lasts until March 10.

Southend residents are invited to give their views at www.southend.gov.uk/wasteconsultation.

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3:05pm Tue 28 Jan 14

black jack ketchum says...

One more reason not to visit Southend then!

They really are on a mission to destroy the town completely!
One more reason not to visit Southend then! They really are on a mission to destroy the town completely! black jack ketchum

3:07pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Nebs says...

Whats wrong with using those on community payback.
Whats wrong with using those on community payback. Nebs

3:08pm Tue 28 Jan 14

black jack ketchum says...

Nebs wrote:
Whats wrong with using those on community payback.
Because that would make too much sense!
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: Whats wrong with using those on community payback.[/p][/quote]Because that would make too much sense! black jack ketchum

3:09pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Happy Chickie says...

Why not get some of the unemployed out there doing this and paying them for it. Surely the council has money for this.

Is Recycling Champions a paid role?
Why not get some of the unemployed out there doing this and paying them for it. Surely the council has money for this. Is Recycling Champions a paid role? Happy Chickie

3:10pm Tue 28 Jan 14

You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat says...

Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...
Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep... You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat

3:13pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Happy Chickie says...

You'dfeelbetterforkn
owingthat
wrote:
Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...
Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?
[quote][p][bold]You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat[/bold] wrote: Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...[/p][/quote]Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it? Happy Chickie

3:39pm Tue 28 Jan 14

RochfordRob says...

Happy Chickie wrote:
You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat wrote: Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...
Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?
Because in order to do so, some would have to be paid close on forty grand a year gross so as not to be 'disadvantaged' coming off 'bennies.'

If the council were paying 40K to ordinary folk to sweep the streets,they'd be inundated.

We have enough criminals in this country - chain gang them and set them to work.

Sorted.
[quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat[/bold] wrote: Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...[/p][/quote]Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?[/p][/quote]Because in order to do so, some would have to be paid close on forty grand a year gross so as not to be 'disadvantaged' coming off 'bennies.' If the council were paying 40K to ordinary folk to sweep the streets,they'd be inundated. We have enough criminals in this country - chain gang them and set them to work. Sorted. RochfordRob

3:42pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Joe Clark says...

Why not make it a condition of getting the Dole (or what ever they call it these days) if you go and take up the offer of helping sweep the streets or clean graffiti off walls then you get your full dole if you don't take part you loose 25% of the payment, go further if those that take part prove to be good workers then give them either part or full time jobs, those that do not take part get a year to actually become active in the scheme if they don't make the commitment then they loose 50% another year they loose 75% then ALL the payment, until a tougher stance is taken then people will not want too come off benefits and become responsible members of society.
Why not make it a condition of getting the Dole (or what ever they call it these days) if you go and take up the offer of helping sweep the streets or clean graffiti off walls then you get your full dole if you don't take part you loose 25% of the payment, go further if those that take part prove to be good workers then give them either part or full time jobs, those that do not take part get a year to actually become active in the scheme if they don't make the commitment then they loose 50% another year they loose 75% then ALL the payment, until a tougher stance is taken then people will not want too come off benefits and become responsible members of society. Joe Clark

3:45pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Joe Clark says...

RochfordRob wrote:
Happy Chickie wrote:
You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat wrote: Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...
Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?
Because in order to do so, some would have to be paid close on forty grand a year gross so as not to be 'disadvantaged' coming off 'bennies.'

If the council were paying 40K to ordinary folk to sweep the streets,they'd be inundated.

We have enough criminals in this country - chain gang them and set them to work.

Sorted.
Well better than my plan you get a thumbs up sadly some bleeding heart criminals friend had already given you a thumbs down.
[quote][p][bold]RochfordRob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat[/bold] wrote: Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...[/p][/quote]Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?[/p][/quote]Because in order to do so, some would have to be paid close on forty grand a year gross so as not to be 'disadvantaged' coming off 'bennies.' If the council were paying 40K to ordinary folk to sweep the streets,they'd be inundated. We have enough criminals in this country - chain gang them and set them to work. Sorted.[/p][/quote]Well better than my plan you get a thumbs up sadly some bleeding heart criminals friend had already given you a thumbs down. Joe Clark

3:55pm Tue 28 Jan 14

emcee says...

Happy Chickie wrote:
You'dfeelbetterforkn

owingthat
wrote:
Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...
Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?
Correct. The unemployed should never be made to do jobs nobody is willing to pay for. The unemployed are on social benefits because they are just that, unemployed. The idea to use them as glorified slave labour is a diabolical idea.
Having said that, they could be employed under a minimum wage contract, meaning that that they would only work up to a maximum number of hours dependent on their benefit income. However, as this will then legally become employment the council/Government will have to treat them as employees with all the employee rights that are granted by law which sort of defeats the object of such idotic ideas.
Should the council employ them outright this will cost the council more money. This is against what the council, in all their arrogance, want to achieve... something for nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat[/bold] wrote: Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...[/p][/quote]Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?[/p][/quote]Correct. The unemployed should never be made to do jobs nobody is willing to pay for. The unemployed are on social benefits because they are just that, unemployed. The idea to use them as glorified slave labour is a diabolical idea. Having said that, they could be employed under a minimum wage contract, meaning that that they would only work up to a maximum number of hours dependent on their benefit income. However, as this will then legally become employment the council/Government will have to treat them as employees with all the employee rights that are granted by law which sort of defeats the object of such idotic ideas. Should the council employ them outright this will cost the council more money. This is against what the council, in all their arrogance, want to achieve... something for nothing. emcee

4:03pm Tue 28 Jan 14

scrounger‎ says...

Do our councillors work for nothing?
Do our councillors work for nothing? scrounger‎

4:23pm Tue 28 Jan 14

westborograss says...

Nebs wrote:
Whats wrong with using those on community payback.
Westborough tried it, total failure
Ask Cllr Terry
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: Whats wrong with using those on community payback.[/p][/quote]Westborough tried it, total failure Ask Cllr Terry westborograss

4:43pm Tue 28 Jan 14

John Bull 40 says...

emcee wrote:
Happy Chickie wrote:
You'dfeelbetterforkn


owingthat
wrote:
Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...
Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?
Correct. The unemployed should never be made to do jobs nobody is willing to pay for. The unemployed are on social benefits because they are just that, unemployed. The idea to use them as glorified slave labour is a diabolical idea.
Having said that, they could be employed under a minimum wage contract, meaning that that they would only work up to a maximum number of hours dependent on their benefit income. However, as this will then legally become employment the council/Government will have to treat them as employees with all the employee rights that are granted by law which sort of defeats the object of such idotic ideas.
Should the council employ them outright this will cost the council more money. This is against what the council, in all their arrogance, want to achieve... something for nothing.
No not something for nothing, as council tax payers are paying for it is something for the council tax payers, you probably are not one.
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat[/bold] wrote: Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...[/p][/quote]Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?[/p][/quote]Correct. The unemployed should never be made to do jobs nobody is willing to pay for. The unemployed are on social benefits because they are just that, unemployed. The idea to use them as glorified slave labour is a diabolical idea. Having said that, they could be employed under a minimum wage contract, meaning that that they would only work up to a maximum number of hours dependent on their benefit income. However, as this will then legally become employment the council/Government will have to treat them as employees with all the employee rights that are granted by law which sort of defeats the object of such idotic ideas. Should the council employ them outright this will cost the council more money. This is against what the council, in all their arrogance, want to achieve... something for nothing.[/p][/quote]No not something for nothing, as council tax payers are paying for it is something for the council tax payers, you probably are not one. John Bull 40

5:26pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Devils Advocate says...

RochfordRob wrote:
Happy Chickie wrote:
You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat wrote: Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...
Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?
Because in order to do so, some would have to be paid close on forty grand a year gross so as not to be 'disadvantaged' coming off 'bennies.'

If the council were paying 40K to ordinary folk to sweep the streets,they'd be inundated.

We have enough criminals in this country - chain gang them and set them to work.

Sorted.
What about paying them to do work, instead of paying them not to. It's about time the laws of "Positive predjudice" were scrapped as well. When people of a dark complexion were a genuine minority it was a good idea.
But of course, the fair days work for a fair days pay, and holidays in line with the rest of the west, never sat comfortable with the haves did it?
[quote][p][bold]RochfordRob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat[/bold] wrote: Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...[/p][/quote]Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?[/p][/quote]Because in order to do so, some would have to be paid close on forty grand a year gross so as not to be 'disadvantaged' coming off 'bennies.' If the council were paying 40K to ordinary folk to sweep the streets,they'd be inundated. We have enough criminals in this country - chain gang them and set them to work. Sorted.[/p][/quote]What about paying them to do work, instead of paying them not to. It's about time the laws of "Positive predjudice" were scrapped as well. When people of a dark complexion were a genuine minority it was a good idea. But of course, the fair days work for a fair days pay, and holidays in line with the rest of the west, never sat comfortable with the haves did it? Devils Advocate

7:32pm Tue 28 Jan 14

jayman says...

I would do both of the things proposed if

1) I got a 20% rebate on my council tax
2) A bi-law was in place that made 'everyone' responsible for cleaning communal areas and streets. I'll give it 20 minuets before someone whines off saying that they cannot do it for personal or religious reasons.
I would do both of the things proposed if 1) I got a 20% rebate on my council tax 2) A bi-law was in place that made 'everyone' responsible for cleaning communal areas and streets. I'll give it 20 minuets before someone whines off saying that they cannot do it for personal or religious reasons. jayman

9:19pm Tue 28 Jan 14

the25man says...

Gone are the days of proud people that scrubbed the front door steps and sweep the footpath outside there property. Why if you clear the snow from the footpath and somebody slips then you get sued
Gone are the days of proud people that scrubbed the front door steps and sweep the footpath outside there property. Why if you clear the snow from the footpath and somebody slips then you get sued the25man

9:20pm Tue 28 Jan 14

ThisYear says...

RochfordRob wrote:
Happy Chickie wrote:
You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat wrote: Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...
Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?
Because in order to do so, some would have to be paid close on forty grand a year gross so as not to be 'disadvantaged' coming off 'bennies.'

If the council were paying 40K to ordinary folk to sweep the streets,they'd be inundated.

We have enough criminals in this country - chain gang them and set them to work.

Sorted.
You should "hang your head in shame"
[quote][p][bold]RochfordRob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat[/bold] wrote: Get the oiks from the dole to do it, let them earn their keep...[/p][/quote]Why not pay someone a wage so they can get off the dole and do it?[/p][/quote]Because in order to do so, some would have to be paid close on forty grand a year gross so as not to be 'disadvantaged' coming off 'bennies.' If the council were paying 40K to ordinary folk to sweep the streets,they'd be inundated. We have enough criminals in this country - chain gang them and set them to work. Sorted.[/p][/quote]You should "hang your head in shame" ThisYear

9:45pm Tue 28 Jan 14

kev1956in says...

scrounger‎ wrote:
Do our councillors work for nothing?
You don't often see councillors and work in the same sentence.
[quote][p][bold]scrounger‎[/bold] wrote: Do our councillors work for nothing?[/p][/quote]You don't often see councillors and work in the same sentence. kev1956in

9:54am Wed 29 Jan 14

InTheKnowOk says...

That's what we pay Council Tax for !! ... I'm not picking up after some lazy chav !!

As for paying for the use of toilets, forget it, I will use the pub rather than give this greedy Council any of my money !!!
That's what we pay Council Tax for !! ... I'm not picking up after some lazy chav !! As for paying for the use of toilets, forget it, I will use the pub rather than give this greedy Council any of my money !!! InTheKnowOk

9:58am Wed 29 Jan 14

InTheKnowOk says...

Btw, I recall having to pay to use toilets in Southend. In the end they had to employ staff to keep an eye on things as the change machines were getting broken into ..
Btw, I recall having to pay to use toilets in Southend. In the end they had to employ staff to keep an eye on things as the change machines were getting broken into .. InTheKnowOk

10:13am Wed 29 Jan 14

pembury53 says...

sounds like a great idea...... high street dying on its feet so charge punters to take a tom t&t .......... mind you anyone with half a brain will just nip in the last post.....
sounds like a great idea...... high street dying on its feet so charge punters to take a tom t&t .......... mind you anyone with half a brain will just nip in the last post..... pembury53

11:01am Wed 29 Jan 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

jayman wrote:
I would do both of the things proposed if

1) I got a 20% rebate on my council tax
2) A bi-law was in place that made 'everyone' responsible for cleaning communal areas and streets. I'll give it 20 minuets before someone whines off saying that they cannot do it for personal or religious reasons.
I cough up the best part of three and a half grand per year in council tax. My property boundary alongside the public road is about fifty yards. Living between a school and a pub I regularly get my fair share of litter dumped outside including the usual assortment of fast food containers, cans, bottles, and more mysteriously of late, miniature gas canisters – and that’s not including the occasional item that falls within the 'unmentionable' category.

The council do sometimes deploy a gentleman to sweep it, but realistically I don't think they can be expected to send him every day.

So whenever it looks like it needs picking up, I just nip out, wheelie bin in tow and pop the offending items inside. Easy! It takes barely a minute or two and quite frankly it's no great shakes. I really don't understand why there is so much drama about people helping themselves a bit more.

My advice to those who perpetually whinge about it is to just get out there and do it. You never know, you might even get to say hello and smile at people like postmen and other strange creatures such as neighbours who you might not otherwise commune with.

Why, I've even managed to get a grunt out of the miserable old SOB with a permanent dew drop on his nose who lives just up the road. I shall have to keep working on him and who knows - maybe I'll manage to work him up to a two syllable grunt before the spring is out. Whoopee!
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: I would do both of the things proposed if 1) I got a 20% rebate on my council tax 2) A bi-law was in place that made 'everyone' responsible for cleaning communal areas and streets. I'll give it 20 minuets before someone whines off saying that they cannot do it for personal or religious reasons.[/p][/quote]I cough up the best part of three and a half grand per year in council tax. My property boundary alongside the public road is about fifty yards. Living between a school and a pub I regularly get my fair share of litter dumped outside including the usual assortment of fast food containers, cans, bottles, and more mysteriously of late, miniature gas canisters – and that’s not including the occasional item that falls within the 'unmentionable' category. The council do sometimes deploy a gentleman to sweep it, but realistically I don't think they can be expected to send him every day. So whenever it looks like it needs picking up, I just nip out, wheelie bin in tow and pop the offending items inside. Easy! It takes barely a minute or two and quite frankly it's no great shakes. I really don't understand why there is so much drama about people helping themselves a bit more. My advice to those who perpetually whinge about it is to just get out there and do it. You never know, you might even get to say hello and smile at people like postmen and other strange creatures such as neighbours who you might not otherwise commune with. Why, I've even managed to get a grunt out of the miserable old SOB with a permanent dew drop on his nose who lives just up the road. I shall have to keep working on him and who knows - maybe I'll manage to work him up to a two syllable grunt before the spring is out. Whoopee! OMPITA [Intl]

1:02pm Wed 29 Jan 14

CouldntThinkOfOne says...

I'd prefer to pay to use southend toilets. That way i know i'm less likely to find a surprise crackhead with a needle hanging out his arm when i open the door.
I'd prefer to pay to use southend toilets. That way i know i'm less likely to find a surprise crackhead with a needle hanging out his arm when i open the door. CouldntThinkOfOne

12:15am Thu 30 Jan 14

jayman says...

OMPITA wrote:
jayman wrote:
I would do both of the things proposed if

1) I got a 20% rebate on my council tax
2) A bi-law was in place that made 'everyone' responsible for cleaning communal areas and streets. I'll give it 20 minuets before someone whines off saying that they cannot do it for personal or religious reasons.
I cough up the best part of three and a half grand per year in council tax. My property boundary alongside the public road is about fifty yards. Living between a school and a pub I regularly get my fair share of litter dumped outside including the usual assortment of fast food containers, cans, bottles, and more mysteriously of late, miniature gas canisters – and that’s not including the occasional item that falls within the 'unmentionable' category.

The council do sometimes deploy a gentleman to sweep it, but realistically I don't think they can be expected to send him every day.

So whenever it looks like it needs picking up, I just nip out, wheelie bin in tow and pop the offending items inside. Easy! It takes barely a minute or two and quite frankly it's no great shakes. I really don't understand why there is so much drama about people helping themselves a bit more.

My advice to those who perpetually whinge about it is to just get out there and do it. You never know, you might even get to say hello and smile at people like postmen and other strange creatures such as neighbours who you might not otherwise commune with.

Why, I've even managed to get a grunt out of the miserable old SOB with a permanent dew drop on his nose who lives just up the road. I shall have to keep working on him and who knows - maybe I'll manage to work him up to a two syllable grunt before the spring is out. Whoopee!
"I just nip out, wheelie bin in tow and pop the offending items inside."

Southend doesn't have wheelie bins, the rest of your comment could be subjectively described as 'nonsense'.

Aside the inclusion of transcendental qualifiers of which you have included in your comment. Why should I do a service to the community that I, myself have already paid for?

Southend council may send out the letters entitled 'council tax demand' but I consider it to be 'council tax request' which i in turn 'choose to pay'.

Southend council are the only organisation (that bizarrely models itself on a corporation) that can take my money, deliver a cr@p service and employ a team of consultants to change the reality of the aforementioned 'cr@p service' into a well crafted yet falsely advertised 'altruistically intentioned, community service'

Southend council; ever increasing effort and resource for ever diminishing returns..
[quote][p][bold]OMPITA [Intl][/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: I would do both of the things proposed if 1) I got a 20% rebate on my council tax 2) A bi-law was in place that made 'everyone' responsible for cleaning communal areas and streets. I'll give it 20 minuets before someone whines off saying that they cannot do it for personal or religious reasons.[/p][/quote]I cough up the best part of three and a half grand per year in council tax. My property boundary alongside the public road is about fifty yards. Living between a school and a pub I regularly get my fair share of litter dumped outside including the usual assortment of fast food containers, cans, bottles, and more mysteriously of late, miniature gas canisters – and that’s not including the occasional item that falls within the 'unmentionable' category. The council do sometimes deploy a gentleman to sweep it, but realistically I don't think they can be expected to send him every day. So whenever it looks like it needs picking up, I just nip out, wheelie bin in tow and pop the offending items inside. Easy! It takes barely a minute or two and quite frankly it's no great shakes. I really don't understand why there is so much drama about people helping themselves a bit more. My advice to those who perpetually whinge about it is to just get out there and do it. You never know, you might even get to say hello and smile at people like postmen and other strange creatures such as neighbours who you might not otherwise commune with. Why, I've even managed to get a grunt out of the miserable old SOB with a permanent dew drop on his nose who lives just up the road. I shall have to keep working on him and who knows - maybe I'll manage to work him up to a two syllable grunt before the spring is out. Whoopee![/p][/quote]"I just nip out, wheelie bin in tow and pop the offending items inside." Southend doesn't have wheelie bins, the rest of your comment could be subjectively described as 'nonsense'. Aside the inclusion of transcendental qualifiers of which you have included in your comment. Why should I do a service to the community that I, myself have already paid for? Southend council may send out the letters entitled 'council tax demand' but I consider it to be 'council tax request' which i in turn 'choose to pay'. Southend council are the only organisation (that bizarrely models itself on a corporation) that can take my money, deliver a cr@p service and employ a team of consultants to change the reality of the aforementioned 'cr@p service' into a well crafted yet falsely advertised 'altruistically intentioned, community service' Southend council; ever increasing effort and resource for ever diminishing returns.. jayman

4:52pm Mon 3 Feb 14

jolllyboy says...

How about volunteers to be councillors since we could do with a few less of them.
Or Volunteers to 'do up' the civic centre - that wouldnt cost a 4m part of 34m
revamp.
Volunteers to replace David Amess would go down well too.
How about volunteers to be councillors since we could do with a few less of them. Or Volunteers to 'do up' the civic centre - that wouldnt cost a 4m part of 34m revamp. Volunteers to replace David Amess would go down well too. jolllyboy

4:54pm Mon 3 Feb 14

jolllyboy says...

As to paying for a toilet - its a 'convenient' way of making more money, - I would sooner wet myself than pay more than I do . I pay council tax for all these 'benefits'.
As to paying for a toilet - its a 'convenient' way of making more money, - I would sooner wet myself than pay more than I do . I pay council tax for all these 'benefits'. jolllyboy

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