Southend Airport to take up to 5.5m passengers in future, says Stobart Air boss

Stobart Air boss Andrew Tinkler, Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin, Rochford and Southend East MP James Duddridge and David Lister, the airport's operations director

Stobart Air boss Andrew Tinkler, Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin, Rochford and Southend East MP James Duddridge and David Lister, the airport's operations director

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SOUTHEND Airport could take more than five million passengers in just a few years.

The staggering figure was revealed as its £10million terminal extension was officially opened by Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin on Monday.

The airport is already preparing to hit the two-million passenger mark four years ahead of schedule. It will take 1.3million this year, rising to 2.5million in two to three years and 5.5million in future.

Originally, the terminal was estimated to handle two million by 2020.

Stobart Air chief executive Andrew Tinkler, whose firm has invested £120million in the airport since taking over in 2008, said: “Our target was to get two million passengers by 2020, but that has accelerated.

“In two to three years, we are looking to get two to 2.5million.

"After that, we will have to see, but the facility is there to handle 5.5million.”

The extension has quadrupled the size of the departure lounge and trebled retail floor space, leading to new airlines moving in, including Flybe, which last week announced six new routes to northern Europe from Southend.

Mr Tinkler said: “It’s about having passengers and operators to fly to destinations that will drive that.”

The new flights are expected to carry 200,000 in the first year, rising to 700,000 within three years.

Mr McLoughlin said: “The extension is fantastic. It’s bright, light and roomy. They have designed it for five million passengers and there is plenty of room for expansion.”

Concerns have been raised about the impact on people living under the flight path of more than doubling passenger numbers, with more than 1,200 households already attempting to claim compensation for the alleged loss of property values.

But Southend Council has capped flights at 53,300 a year – about half the number using the airport in the Eighties.

The authority is seeking £44.25million of Government cash to ensure the A127 can cope with increased demand, but also hopes more people will use the train.

James Duddridge, ToryMP for Rochford and Southend East, praised the airport for creating 1,500 jobs and boosting the town’s profile. He said: “It has changed the way we think about ourselves and present ourselves.

“When I introduced myself when first elected, people would speak fondly of their time on the pier and eating Rossi ice cream.

“Now they mention visiting London Southend Airport.”

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8:38am Wed 9 Apr 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Fantastic, these high numbers, reflect the popularity of this ever growing airport.
Fantastic, these high numbers, reflect the popularity of this ever growing airport. Nowthatsworthknowing
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9:49am Wed 9 Apr 14

planespeaking says...

Great for employment, great for the local economy, great for Southend!
Great for employment, great for the local economy, great for Southend! planespeaking
  • Score: -8

10:54am Wed 9 Apr 14

pembury53 says...

planespeaking wrote:
Great for employment, great for the local economy, great for Southend!
Really ? what is at present an excellent airport, with some of the most efficient boarding times and general ease of use to be found anywhere in the country, will eventually end up like every other airport, lengthy queues, parking hell, congested local roads...... the writing was on the wall when easy jet bailed out from stansted....
[quote][p][bold]planespeaking[/bold] wrote: Great for employment, great for the local economy, great for Southend![/p][/quote]Really ? what is at present an excellent airport, with some of the most efficient boarding times and general ease of use to be found anywhere in the country, will eventually end up like every other airport, lengthy queues, parking hell, congested local roads...... the writing was on the wall when easy jet bailed out from stansted.... pembury53
  • Score: 4

11:09am Wed 9 Apr 14

planespeaking says...

pembury53 wrote:
planespeaking wrote:
Great for employment, great for the local economy, great for Southend!
Really ? what is at present an excellent airport, with some of the most efficient boarding times and general ease of use to be found anywhere in the country, will eventually end up like every other airport, lengthy queues, parking hell, congested local roads...... the writing was on the wall when easy jet bailed out from stansted....
I think you will find that far from ' bailing out ' of Stansted easyJet have just entered into a major new long term contract with MAG, Stansted's new owners.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]planespeaking[/bold] wrote: Great for employment, great for the local economy, great for Southend![/p][/quote]Really ? what is at present an excellent airport, with some of the most efficient boarding times and general ease of use to be found anywhere in the country, will eventually end up like every other airport, lengthy queues, parking hell, congested local roads...... the writing was on the wall when easy jet bailed out from stansted....[/p][/quote]I think you will find that far from ' bailing out ' of Stansted easyJet have just entered into a major new long term contract with MAG, Stansted's new owners. planespeaking
  • Score: 0

12:08pm Wed 9 Apr 14

pembury53 says...

planespeaking wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
planespeaking wrote: Great for employment, great for the local economy, great for Southend!
Really ? what is at present an excellent airport, with some of the most efficient boarding times and general ease of use to be found anywhere in the country, will eventually end up like every other airport, lengthy queues, parking hell, congested local roads...... the writing was on the wall when easy jet bailed out from stansted....
I think you will find that far from ' bailing out ' of Stansted easyJet have just entered into a major new long term contract with MAG, Stansted's new owners.
then i stand corrected.... i thought easyjet were pulling out from there, but appears not...... however, as regards expansion at southend, i stand by those comments, it wont all be good news...
[quote][p][bold]planespeaking[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]planespeaking[/bold] wrote: Great for employment, great for the local economy, great for Southend![/p][/quote]Really ? what is at present an excellent airport, with some of the most efficient boarding times and general ease of use to be found anywhere in the country, will eventually end up like every other airport, lengthy queues, parking hell, congested local roads...... the writing was on the wall when easy jet bailed out from stansted....[/p][/quote]I think you will find that far from ' bailing out ' of Stansted easyJet have just entered into a major new long term contract with MAG, Stansted's new owners.[/p][/quote]then i stand corrected.... i thought easyjet were pulling out from there, but appears not...... however, as regards expansion at southend, i stand by those comments, it wont all be good news... pembury53
  • Score: 0

2:16pm Wed 9 Apr 14

maxell says...

I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing.

This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares,

"Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?"

( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable)

I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,..
for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal.
smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.
I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing. This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares, "Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?" ( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable) I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,.. for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal. smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen. maxell
  • Score: 4

2:53pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Nebs says...

maxell wrote:
I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing.

This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares,

"Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?"

( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable)

I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,..
for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal.
smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.
5 million people visiting Southend to spend their money in our shops.
5 million people flying out of the UK to spend their cash abroad.

I wonder which is closer to the truth.
[quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing. This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares, "Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?" ( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable) I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,.. for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal. smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.[/p][/quote]5 million people visiting Southend to spend their money in our shops. 5 million people flying out of the UK to spend their cash abroad. I wonder which is closer to the truth. Nebs
  • Score: 5

3:11pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Eastwoodian says...

maxell wrote:
I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing. This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares, "Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?" ( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable) I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,.. for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal. smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.
I hope, for your sake, that you are correct in what you have stated in a public forum, for if you aren't, then you are leaving yourself wide open to libel and other legal implications !
[quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing. This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares, "Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?" ( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable) I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,.. for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal. smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.[/p][/quote]I hope, for your sake, that you are correct in what you have stated in a public forum, for if you aren't, then you are leaving yourself wide open to libel and other legal implications ! Eastwoodian
  • Score: -2

3:37pm Wed 9 Apr 14

planespeaking says...

Nebs wrote:
maxell wrote:
I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing.

This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares,

"Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?"

( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable)

I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,..
for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal.
smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.
5 million people visiting Southend to spend their money in our shops.
5 million people flying out of the UK to spend their cash abroad.

I wonder which is closer to the truth.
Having read this factually incorrect rant by Maxell ( easyJet don't even
fly from Heathrow ) , I like others on this thread would advise him/her to moderate these wild assertions. An ability to string a few words together into coherent English may help to get the point across, but I doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing. This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares, "Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?" ( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable) I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,.. for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal. smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.[/p][/quote]5 million people visiting Southend to spend their money in our shops. 5 million people flying out of the UK to spend their cash abroad. I wonder which is closer to the truth.[/p][/quote]Having read this factually incorrect rant by Maxell ( easyJet don't even fly from Heathrow ) , I like others on this thread would advise him/her to moderate these wild assertions. An ability to string a few words together into coherent English may help to get the point across, but I doubt it. planespeaking
  • Score: -5

4:23pm Wed 9 Apr 14

w-jback says...

Anyone looking at the wildly crazy "Stobart whistleblower" website would come away laughing, all that site does is lose the "Aviation Expert" any credibility, How the site author expects anyone to take him seriously (except, perhaps the man who makes two short planks seem bright, Maxell)
Anyone looking at the wildly crazy "Stobart whistleblower" website would come away laughing, all that site does is lose the "Aviation Expert" any credibility, How the site author expects anyone to take him seriously (except, perhaps the man who makes two short planks seem bright, Maxell) w-jback
  • Score: -4

6:19pm Wed 9 Apr 14

disenfranchisedpast says...

maxell wrote:
I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing.

This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares,

"Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?"

( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable)

I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,..
for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal.
smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.
Ok

Lets have some evidence to your wild assertions then.

The prime minister was never coming to open the terminal, I believe james dudridge invited him and the response was "depends on scheduling".

But hey feel free to make up a story about the pm having concerns about runway 06, I'd love to see your proof for that.

There is no issue with licensing and runway 06, if there was, the approach would not be approved by the CAA. It would not be in use, period.

The way Instrument landing systems work is that they are flight checked by a calibrator aircraft on a regular basis, if something penetrates the cleared areas, a new Flight check has to be performed to ensure it doesn't affect the performance.

To claim an approach would be in use if the CAA had ANY concerns, especially for public transport aircraft is laughable to anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of aviation.

And I don't know what the "highest accreditation in ILS systems is that mr whistleblower has, but I bet it's not as high as mine ;-)

I was under the impression that the whistle bower was just a disgruntled ex Employee with some aviation credentials, not really a great source of information.

I think according to the cumbrian press, someone is laying a civil suite against some executives at stobart, I hadn't seen anything about the "airport" being up in the dock......

I think i remember refuting your "calcs" in another forum, I dont think any company would sink in excess of 100 million into a business and expect an immediate return on it, to claim it is a failure as it hasnt returned an immediate (and two years would be very immediate in this business) profit is disengenious.

"For once it would be nice if people were to understand what they are commenting about"

Ah the irony
[quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing. This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares, "Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?" ( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable) I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,.. for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal. smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.[/p][/quote]Ok Lets have some evidence to your wild assertions then. The prime minister was never coming to open the terminal, I believe james dudridge invited him and the response was "depends on scheduling". But hey feel free to make up a story about the pm having concerns about runway 06, I'd love to see your proof for that. There is no issue with licensing and runway 06, if there was, the approach would not be approved by the CAA. It would not be in use, period. The way Instrument landing systems work is that they are flight checked by a calibrator aircraft on a regular basis, if something penetrates the cleared areas, a new Flight check has to be performed to ensure it doesn't affect the performance. To claim an approach would be in use if the CAA had ANY concerns, especially for public transport aircraft is laughable to anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of aviation. And I don't know what the "highest accreditation in ILS systems is that mr whistleblower has, but I bet it's not as high as mine ;-) I was under the impression that the whistle bower was just a disgruntled ex Employee with some aviation credentials, not really a great source of information. I think according to the cumbrian press, someone is laying a civil suite against some executives at stobart, I hadn't seen anything about the "airport" being up in the dock...... I think i remember refuting your "calcs" in another forum, I dont think any company would sink in excess of 100 million into a business and expect an immediate return on it, to claim it is a failure as it hasnt returned an immediate (and two years would be very immediate in this business) profit is disengenious. "For once it would be nice if people were to understand what they are commenting about" Ah the irony disenfranchisedpast
  • Score: -1

8:00pm Wed 9 Apr 14

pembury53 says...

disenfranchisedpast wrote:
maxell wrote:
I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing.

This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares,

"Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?"

( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable)

I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,..
for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal.
smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.
Ok

Lets have some evidence to your wild assertions then.

The prime minister was never coming to open the terminal, I believe james dudridge invited him and the response was "depends on scheduling".

But hey feel free to make up a story about the pm having concerns about runway 06, I'd love to see your proof for that.

There is no issue with licensing and runway 06, if there was, the approach would not be approved by the CAA. It would not be in use, period.

The way Instrument landing systems work is that they are flight checked by a calibrator aircraft on a regular basis, if something penetrates the cleared areas, a new Flight check has to be performed to ensure it doesn't affect the performance.

To claim an approach would be in use if the CAA had ANY concerns, especially for public transport aircraft is laughable to anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of aviation.

And I don't know what the "highest accreditation in ILS systems is that mr whistleblower has, but I bet it's not as high as mine ;-)

I was under the impression that the whistle bower was just a disgruntled ex Employee with some aviation credentials, not really a great source of information.

I think according to the cumbrian press, someone is laying a civil suite against some executives at stobart, I hadn't seen anything about the "airport" being up in the dock......

I think i remember refuting your "calcs" in another forum, I dont think any company would sink in excess of 100 million into a business and expect an immediate return on it, to claim it is a failure as it hasnt returned an immediate (and two years would be very immediate in this business) profit is disengenious.

"For once it would be nice if people were to understand what they are commenting about"

Ah the irony
5.5 million a year is over 15,000 passengers a day......... sounds like b******s to me......
[quote][p][bold]disenfranchisedpast[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing. This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares, "Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?" ( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable) I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,.. for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal. smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.[/p][/quote]Ok Lets have some evidence to your wild assertions then. The prime minister was never coming to open the terminal, I believe james dudridge invited him and the response was "depends on scheduling". But hey feel free to make up a story about the pm having concerns about runway 06, I'd love to see your proof for that. There is no issue with licensing and runway 06, if there was, the approach would not be approved by the CAA. It would not be in use, period. The way Instrument landing systems work is that they are flight checked by a calibrator aircraft on a regular basis, if something penetrates the cleared areas, a new Flight check has to be performed to ensure it doesn't affect the performance. To claim an approach would be in use if the CAA had ANY concerns, especially for public transport aircraft is laughable to anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of aviation. And I don't know what the "highest accreditation in ILS systems is that mr whistleblower has, but I bet it's not as high as mine ;-) I was under the impression that the whistle bower was just a disgruntled ex Employee with some aviation credentials, not really a great source of information. I think according to the cumbrian press, someone is laying a civil suite against some executives at stobart, I hadn't seen anything about the "airport" being up in the dock...... I think i remember refuting your "calcs" in another forum, I dont think any company would sink in excess of 100 million into a business and expect an immediate return on it, to claim it is a failure as it hasnt returned an immediate (and two years would be very immediate in this business) profit is disengenious. "For once it would be nice if people were to understand what they are commenting about" Ah the irony[/p][/quote]5.5 million a year is over 15,000 passengers a day......... sounds like b******s to me...... pembury53
  • Score: 4

8:25pm Wed 9 Apr 14

disenfranchisedpast says...

pembury53 wrote:
disenfranchisedpast wrote:
maxell wrote:
I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing.

This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares,

"Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?"

( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable)

I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,..
for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal.
smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.
Ok

Lets have some evidence to your wild assertions then.

The prime minister was never coming to open the terminal, I believe james dudridge invited him and the response was "depends on scheduling".

But hey feel free to make up a story about the pm having concerns about runway 06, I'd love to see your proof for that.

There is no issue with licensing and runway 06, if there was, the approach would not be approved by the CAA. It would not be in use, period.

The way Instrument landing systems work is that they are flight checked by a calibrator aircraft on a regular basis, if something penetrates the cleared areas, a new Flight check has to be performed to ensure it doesn't affect the performance.

To claim an approach would be in use if the CAA had ANY concerns, especially for public transport aircraft is laughable to anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of aviation.

And I don't know what the "highest accreditation in ILS systems is that mr whistleblower has, but I bet it's not as high as mine ;-)

I was under the impression that the whistle bower was just a disgruntled ex Employee with some aviation credentials, not really a great source of information.

I think according to the cumbrian press, someone is laying a civil suite against some executives at stobart, I hadn't seen anything about the "airport" being up in the dock......

I think i remember refuting your "calcs" in another forum, I dont think any company would sink in excess of 100 million into a business and expect an immediate return on it, to claim it is a failure as it hasnt returned an immediate (and two years would be very immediate in this business) profit is disengenious.

"For once it would be nice if people were to understand what they are commenting about"

Ah the irony
5.5 million a year is over 15,000 passengers a day......... sounds like b******s to me......
Oh its ambitious , and I'd be surprised if they hit it anytime soon, however it's good to have goals set, (i believe they stated a target of 2-2.5 million, with a max capacity of 5 million)

I wasn't commenting on the goals, merely pointing out maxells slavish adherence to a conspiracy website had thrown up some mental ideas
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]disenfranchisedpast[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: I Start my inviting insults, from the all the people that take airport/echo reports at face value and never bother to research any thing. This is all bull , the prime minister was originally comeing to open the airport but once he found out that there are serious issues with the CAA and licesing he declined and a patsey came instaead , Mr Camaron wants the issue looked into and it could result in the licence for runway 06 being revoked, with the airport loosing an average £130,000 a day. (MY CALCs). Manston is closing due to loosing 10,000 a day this higher figure is not sustainable , with Easyjet looking to make base at luton, and taking over the larger runway quota at heathrow and southend still having a short and skinney runway along with 14 puntures into the ILS zone, when none are allowed begs the question of how this was ever licensed , this is what the prime minister has stated he wants looking into. According to cumbrian press it lookes like airport are up in court for alledged fraud, purgery and all other kinds of chris hune driving issues. Last year the airport accounts show that for each and every passenger they lost about £5.00 you do the math 1000,000 pasengers at £5.00 per head = ??? Flying two 75 seaters that they own, under flybe livery with a franchise in tow wont give them much of a return. with comments like this from people involved with shares, "Looks like trouble at mill at Southend Airport and gagging is being attempted of Stobart employees according to the whistle site. Dbay deal seems to have gone quiet - has it completed ?" ( what is not said is that the whistle site is run by a court reconised aviation expert with the higest accreditation in ILS systems) information from this site is reliable) I cant beleive that anybody with any savy could beleive this 5 million tosh , just use the power of google the info is out there please dont be binkered, My opininion as always ,.. for once would it be nice if people were to understand what they are comenting about. The airport simply wanted a figure head so they can say it must be ok as he/she would not have agreed to open the terminal. smoke and mirrors. Pembury 53 is correct, but it will never happen.[/p][/quote]Ok Lets have some evidence to your wild assertions then. The prime minister was never coming to open the terminal, I believe james dudridge invited him and the response was "depends on scheduling". But hey feel free to make up a story about the pm having concerns about runway 06, I'd love to see your proof for that. There is no issue with licensing and runway 06, if there was, the approach would not be approved by the CAA. It would not be in use, period. The way Instrument landing systems work is that they are flight checked by a calibrator aircraft on a regular basis, if something penetrates the cleared areas, a new Flight check has to be performed to ensure it doesn't affect the performance. To claim an approach would be in use if the CAA had ANY concerns, especially for public transport aircraft is laughable to anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of aviation. And I don't know what the "highest accreditation in ILS systems is that mr whistleblower has, but I bet it's not as high as mine ;-) I was under the impression that the whistle bower was just a disgruntled ex Employee with some aviation credentials, not really a great source of information. I think according to the cumbrian press, someone is laying a civil suite against some executives at stobart, I hadn't seen anything about the "airport" being up in the dock...... I think i remember refuting your "calcs" in another forum, I dont think any company would sink in excess of 100 million into a business and expect an immediate return on it, to claim it is a failure as it hasnt returned an immediate (and two years would be very immediate in this business) profit is disengenious. "For once it would be nice if people were to understand what they are commenting about" Ah the irony[/p][/quote]5.5 million a year is over 15,000 passengers a day......... sounds like b******s to me......[/p][/quote]Oh its ambitious , and I'd be surprised if they hit it anytime soon, however it's good to have goals set, (i believe they stated a target of 2-2.5 million, with a max capacity of 5 million) I wasn't commenting on the goals, merely pointing out maxells slavish adherence to a conspiracy website had thrown up some mental ideas disenfranchisedpast
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