Disgraced Lord Hanningfield wants prison reform

6:00am Monday 6th August 2012 in News By Adam Cornell

Lord Hanningfield Lord Hanningfield

DISGRACED peer Lord Hanningfield has revealed he is looking to use his prison experience to help others.

The former Tory leader of Essex County Council, who served a quarter of a nine-month sentence for fiddling his House of Lords expenses, says he has returned to his patrliamentary work.

He has advertised for a researcher to help him with a new reform campaign.

Lord Hanningfield – real name Paul White – wants the staffer to help him work on a plan for prison reform and mental health improvements from October.

He said: “The whole idea of prison reform is to stop reoffending and to give young people a chance before we get a new generation in prison.

“I saw how the young children suffer and how prison visitor rooms are like playschool.

“The young people themselves are not getting the help for the future they need and a lot more needs to be done.”

Lord Hanningfield claimed nearly £14,000 for overnight stays in London and journeys he never made or someone else paid for. On one occasion, he was on a plane to India.

He suggested he may not have been jailed were it not for the public and media furore surrounding the expenses scandal.

He claims his age, 71, gives him a unique perspective, coupled with 40 years of public service. He still struggles to come to terms with his imprisonment. He added: “There are not many people like me.

“I was in for a short time. Other people wouldn’t have been jailed for £13,000 of parliamentary expenses, but it was all hyped up by the media, so there was no choice.

“But having had the experience, I know there needs to be reform and improvement in the education offered in prison to people, some of whom can’t read or write.”

Lord Hanningfield is also hoping to increase people’s understanding of mental health issues. He said: “I have been through acute depression myself and had to have treatment for it.

“A lot of people are in prison with mental problems and a lot were involved in crime because of the same mental problems.

“For me, it was more traumatic before I was in prison because of the publicity, but I have learnt from it and want to use the experience to help others now.”

Comments (39)

6:58am Mon 6 Aug 12

152 says...

What an expenses fiddling ****! On the other hand, at least he has had some experience of what life is like when you don't have an expense account to fiddle.
What an expenses fiddling ****! On the other hand, at least he has had some experience of what life is like when you don't have an expense account to fiddle. 152

6:59am Mon 6 Aug 12

152 says...

Also, when House of Lords reform is introduced, perhaps introducing a manadatory CRB check every year would help reduce the chances of criminal scum like this governing us?
Also, when House of Lords reform is introduced, perhaps introducing a manadatory CRB check every year would help reduce the chances of criminal scum like this governing us? 152

7:44am Mon 6 Aug 12

jxr says...

"Other people wouldn’t have been jailed for £13,000 of parliamentary expenses, but it was all hyped up by the media, so there was no choice".

Yep, he sounds really remorseful! Full of bitterness because he feels hard done by, and just brushing over the fact he defrauded the taxpayer.
Lying, cheating scumbag.
"Other people wouldn’t have been jailed for £13,000 of parliamentary expenses, but it was all hyped up by the media, so there was no choice". Yep, he sounds really remorseful! Full of bitterness because he feels hard done by, and just brushing over the fact he defrauded the taxpayer. Lying, cheating scumbag. jxr

8:46am Mon 6 Aug 12

Brunning999 says...

Isn't that just right !

A Corrupt convicted villain that now thinks he can gain some respectability again by trying to buldhit us!!

Will go to hell mate because you are a convicted thief basically.
Isn't that just right ! A Corrupt convicted villain that now thinks he can gain some respectability again by trying to buldhit us!! Will go to hell mate because you are a convicted thief basically. Brunning999

9:41am Mon 6 Aug 12

Tommy the Tank says...

Rather than banging on about prison reform- there are plenty out in the free world who have been doing so for years and it's not necessarily a bad cause- perhaps he should take a leaf out of the book of a much greater politician, John Profumo. Following his fall from grace Profumo started cleaning toilets at Toynbee Hall, a charitable institution in the East end of London. Profumo worked with this charity for the rest of his long life and was rehabilitated to a large extent into the society whose trust he had lost.

Hanningfield's debt to today's society has in no way been paid. He bleats about the sentence he received suggesting that it would have been less had it not been for media attention- of course he courted the media in his political life when it suited him.

Now a message for the man himself:

A little humility and taking responsibility for your greed, Hanningfield- that's what the 'ordinary' people want to see. Now, don your Marigolds and get scrubbing and one day you might deserve to sit at the same table as decent, honest, hard working people.
Rather than banging on about prison reform- there are plenty out in the free world who have been doing so for years and it's not necessarily a bad cause- perhaps he should take a leaf out of the book of a much greater politician, John Profumo. Following his fall from grace Profumo started cleaning toilets at Toynbee Hall, a charitable institution in the East end of London. Profumo worked with this charity for the rest of his long life and was rehabilitated to a large extent into the society whose trust he had lost. Hanningfield's debt to today's society has in no way been paid. He bleats about the sentence he received suggesting that it would have been less had it not been for media attention- of course he courted the media in his political life when it suited him. Now a message for the man himself: A little humility and taking responsibility for your greed, Hanningfield- that's what the 'ordinary' people want to see. Now, don your Marigolds and get scrubbing and one day you might deserve to sit at the same table as decent, honest, hard working people. Tommy the Tank

9:50am Mon 6 Aug 12

doasilikey says...

"He still struggles to come to terms with his imprisonment. He added: “There are not many people like me".

Phew! That's a relief- the country really would be skint if there were too many people like him.
"He still struggles to come to terms with his imprisonment. He added: “There are not many people like me". Phew! That's a relief- the country really would be skint if there were too many people like him. doasilikey

10:28am Mon 6 Aug 12

andyh says...

Actually, lets be fair. He was scapegoated as an "example" "pour encourager les autres".
The wrong question was asked about his expenses - it should not have been "is this detail correct?"; rather it should have been "is the amount he has gained from public funds reasonable as an overall payment for work done?". The Lords does not pay a salary.
Actually, lets be fair. He was scapegoated as an "example" "pour encourager les autres". The wrong question was asked about his expenses - it should not have been "is this detail correct?"; rather it should have been "is the amount he has gained from public funds reasonable as an overall payment for work done?". The Lords does not pay a salary. andyh

10:48am Mon 6 Aug 12

nicknows says...

If memory serves me right Jeffery Archer served a longer sentence than Lord Hanningfield - why he has not had his title taken away I am at a loss to understand – yet he did not come out of prison with grand ideas to reform the institutions in which he served his sentence.

The sheer arrogance of the man!!!!!!!!!

Whilst no doubt there are need for some reforms within our prisons I am sure there are many people far more qualified than this jumped up T*** to do so.

After all he was only convicted of stealing money from the public coffers I would hazard a guess that whilst he has repaid £30,000.00 the sum involved is much more!!!!!
If memory serves me right Jeffery Archer served a longer sentence than Lord Hanningfield - why he has not had his title taken away I am at a loss to understand – yet he did not come out of prison with grand ideas to reform the institutions in which he served his sentence. The sheer arrogance of the man!!!!!!!!! Whilst no doubt there are need for some reforms within our prisons I am sure there are many people far more qualified than this jumped up T*** to do so. After all he was only convicted of stealing money from the public coffers I would hazard a guess that whilst he has repaid £30,000.00 the sum involved is much more!!!!! nicknows

11:20am Mon 6 Aug 12

Cockle says...

Oh, come on!

He was claiming for overnight hotel stays in London when he wasn't, on some occasions, even in the country; even a child would know that that isn't right.

I have seen examples in my company where people have been dismissed from employment for claiming an extra hour's overtime that they hadn't done as it was regarded as a betrayal of trust and tantamount to fraud, and trust me, the amount was nowhere near £13k.

He also conveniently forgets that he is, I believe, still being investigated with regard to his claims as head of Essex County Council and possible inappropriate use of his ECC car and chaffeur. It is possible he could still face charges for that.

A little remorse would be a little more appropriate rather than the crocodile tears.
Oh, come on! He was claiming for overnight hotel stays in London when he wasn't, on some occasions, even in the country; even a child would know that that isn't right. I have seen examples in my company where people have been dismissed from employment for claiming an extra hour's overtime that they hadn't done as it was regarded as a betrayal of trust and tantamount to fraud, and trust me, the amount was nowhere near £13k. He also conveniently forgets that he is, I believe, still being investigated with regard to his claims as head of Essex County Council and possible inappropriate use of his ECC car and chaffeur. It is possible he could still face charges for that. A little remorse would be a little more appropriate rather than the crocodile tears. Cockle

11:28am Mon 6 Aug 12

E-Types. says...

A country and its people are identified by the people they vote to represent them. What does that say about this country from top to bottom.

Would it beyond the topsy-turvey norm of politics for this disgraces 'lord' to be elevated to the minister of prisons?
A country and its people are identified by the people they vote to represent them. What does that say about this country from top to bottom. Would it beyond the topsy-turvey norm of politics for this disgraces 'lord' to be elevated to the minister of prisons? E-Types.

11:58am Mon 6 Aug 12

nicknows says...

Excuse me but Members of the House of Lords, who are not paid a salary, may claim a daily allowance of £300 (or may elect to claim a reduced daily allowance of £150) per sitting day - but only if they attend a sitting of the House and/or committee proceedings.

So as well as expenses he could claim a minimum of £150.00 for each day he attends Parliament no matter if he is only there for 10 minutes.

He is free to carry out work in any other guise unlike MP’s who are elected to represent the people and are therefore classed as paid employees and receive a salary for doing so.
Excuse me but Members of the House of Lords, who are not paid a salary, may claim a daily allowance of £300 (or may elect to claim a reduced daily allowance of £150) per sitting day - but only if they attend a sitting of the House and/or committee proceedings. So as well as expenses he could claim a minimum of £150.00 for each day he attends Parliament no matter if he is only there for 10 minutes. He is free to carry out work in any other guise unlike MP’s who are elected to represent the people and are therefore classed as paid employees and receive a salary for doing so. nicknows

12:58pm Mon 6 Aug 12

emcee says...

Sounds to me he is trying to justify the time he spent inside.
Sounds to me he is trying to justify the time he spent inside. emcee

5:38pm Mon 6 Aug 12

E - Types says...

E-Types. wrote:
A country and its people are identified by the people they vote to represent them. What does that say about this country from top to bottom.

Would it beyond the topsy-turvey norm of politics for this disgraces 'lord' to be elevated to the minister of prisons?
The members of the House of Lords are not elected by the people of any country.
[quote][p][bold]E-Types.[/bold] wrote: A country and its people are identified by the people they vote to represent them. What does that say about this country from top to bottom. Would it beyond the topsy-turvey norm of politics for this disgraces 'lord' to be elevated to the minister of prisons?[/p][/quote]The members of the House of Lords are not elected by the people of any country. E - Types

6:08pm Mon 6 Aug 12

jolllyboy says...

I agree. I feel he just has to get his name in print again. He may wish to improve the lot of prisoners, I dont. They do a crime and they are there as punishment. If you cant do the time, dont do the crime. They get everything done for them , they can even do a degree for free.
It makes me sick.Retire.
I agree. I feel he just has to get his name in print again. He may wish to improve the lot of prisoners, I dont. They do a crime and they are there as punishment. If you cant do the time, dont do the crime. They get everything done for them , they can even do a degree for free. It makes me sick.Retire. jolllyboy

6:36pm Mon 6 Aug 12

E-Types. says...

E - Types wrote:
E-Types. wrote:
A country and its people are identified by the people they vote to represent them. What does that say about this country from top to bottom.

Would it beyond the topsy-turvey norm of politics for this disgraces 'lord' to be elevated to the minister of prisons?
The members of the House of Lords are not elected by the people of any country.
Did i say they were dipstick? Re-read the post again and try get someone to explain it to you.
[quote][p][bold]E - Types[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types.[/bold] wrote: A country and its people are identified by the people they vote to represent them. What does that say about this country from top to bottom. Would it beyond the topsy-turvey norm of politics for this disgraces 'lord' to be elevated to the minister of prisons?[/p][/quote]The members of the House of Lords are not elected by the people of any country.[/p][/quote]Did i say they were dipstick? Re-read the post again and try get someone to explain it to you. E-Types.

8:03pm Mon 6 Aug 12

bdps66 says...

Dear White (sorry, you have abused the right to be referred to as a Lord and I don't feel comfortable with the "Dear" bit either!), you don't appear to be getting very much sympathy from the public. Had you decently fulfilled your awarded sentence instead of a few weeks, think how much more worthwhile experience you would have gained of prison existence.
I personally am sick and tired of hearing about the poor, poor inmates of our prisons. Why don't you do something useful with this experience and knowledge you have gained and help the public who are the real victims of those people you are sticking up for and supporting.
And just how you manage to weedle your way back into a job after committing and being found guilty of fraud amazes me. Only in Government obviously.
Dear White (sorry, you have abused the right to be referred to as a Lord and I don't feel comfortable with the "Dear" bit either!), you don't appear to be getting very much sympathy from the public. Had you decently fulfilled your awarded sentence instead of a few weeks, think how much more worthwhile experience you would have gained of prison existence. I personally am sick and tired of hearing about the poor, poor inmates of our prisons. Why don't you do something useful with this experience and knowledge you have gained and help the public who are the real victims of those people you are sticking up for and supporting. And just how you manage to weedle your way back into a job after committing and being found guilty of fraud amazes me. Only in Government obviously. bdps66

10:18pm Mon 6 Aug 12

King 'El says...

E-Types. wrote:
E - Types wrote:
E-Types. wrote:
A country and its people are identified by the people they vote to represent them. What does that say about this country from top to bottom.

Would it beyond the topsy-turvey norm of politics for this disgraces 'lord' to be elevated to the minister of prisons?
The members of the House of Lords are not elected by the people of any country.
Did i say they were dipstick? Re-read the post again and try get someone to explain it to you.
So, having served a quater of a nine month sentence, Mr. Whight considers himself experienced enough in the ways of prison life to offer advice on reform. His arrogance never ceases to amaze me !
[quote][p][bold]E-Types.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E - Types[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types.[/bold] wrote: A country and its people are identified by the people they vote to represent them. What does that say about this country from top to bottom. Would it beyond the topsy-turvey norm of politics for this disgraces 'lord' to be elevated to the minister of prisons?[/p][/quote]The members of the House of Lords are not elected by the people of any country.[/p][/quote]Did i say they were dipstick? Re-read the post again and try get someone to explain it to you.[/p][/quote]So, having served a quater of a nine month sentence, Mr. Whight considers himself experienced enough in the ways of prison life to offer advice on reform. His arrogance never ceases to amaze me ! King 'El

10:20pm Mon 6 Aug 12

King 'El says...

Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ? King 'El

9:09am Tue 7 Aug 12

muffindamule says...

Tommy the Tank wrote:
Rather than banging on about prison reform- there are plenty out in the free world who have been doing so for years and it's not necessarily a bad cause- perhaps he should take a leaf out of the book of a much greater politician, John Profumo. Following his fall from grace Profumo started cleaning toilets at Toynbee Hall, a charitable institution in the East end of London. Profumo worked with this charity for the rest of his long life and was rehabilitated to a large extent into the society whose trust he had lost.

Hanningfield's debt to today's society has in no way been paid. He bleats about the sentence he received suggesting that it would have been less had it not been for media attention- of course he courted the media in his political life when it suited him.

Now a message for the man himself:

A little humility and taking responsibility for your greed, Hanningfield- that's what the 'ordinary' people want to see. Now, don your Marigolds and get scrubbing and one day you might deserve to sit at the same table as decent, honest, hard working people.
Paul, you can come and clean up my place anytime you like. It's like a pig sty so you'll feel at home with your nose in the trough.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy the Tank[/bold] wrote: Rather than banging on about prison reform- there are plenty out in the free world who have been doing so for years and it's not necessarily a bad cause- perhaps he should take a leaf out of the book of a much greater politician, John Profumo. Following his fall from grace Profumo started cleaning toilets at Toynbee Hall, a charitable institution in the East end of London. Profumo worked with this charity for the rest of his long life and was rehabilitated to a large extent into the society whose trust he had lost. Hanningfield's debt to today's society has in no way been paid. He bleats about the sentence he received suggesting that it would have been less had it not been for media attention- of course he courted the media in his political life when it suited him. Now a message for the man himself: A little humility and taking responsibility for your greed, Hanningfield- that's what the 'ordinary' people want to see. Now, don your Marigolds and get scrubbing and one day you might deserve to sit at the same table as decent, honest, hard working people.[/p][/quote]Paul, you can come and clean up my place anytime you like. It's like a pig sty so you'll feel at home with your nose in the trough. muffindamule

11:12am Tue 7 Aug 12

E-Types.. says...

King 'El wrote:
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Errr, yes.
[quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?[/p][/quote]Errr, yes. E-Types..

11:14am Tue 7 Aug 12

E-Types.. says...

King 'El wrote:
E-Types. wrote:
E - Types wrote:
E-Types. wrote:
A country and its people are identified by the people they vote to represent them. What does that say about this country from top to bottom.

Would it beyond the topsy-turvey norm of politics for this disgraces 'lord' to be elevated to the minister of prisons?
The members of the House of Lords are not elected by the people of any country.
Did i say they were dipstick? Re-read the post again and try get someone to explain it to you.
So, having served a quater of a nine month sentence, Mr. Whight considers himself experienced enough in the ways of prison life to offer advice on reform. His arrogance never ceases to amaze me !
Err, yes.
[quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E - Types[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types.[/bold] wrote: A country and its people are identified by the people they vote to represent them. What does that say about this country from top to bottom. Would it beyond the topsy-turvey norm of politics for this disgraces 'lord' to be elevated to the minister of prisons?[/p][/quote]The members of the House of Lords are not elected by the people of any country.[/p][/quote]Did i say they were dipstick? Re-read the post again and try get someone to explain it to you.[/p][/quote]So, having served a quater of a nine month sentence, Mr. Whight considers himself experienced enough in the ways of prison life to offer advice on reform. His arrogance never ceases to amaze me ![/p][/quote]Err, yes. E-Types..

2:38pm Tue 7 Aug 12

John T Pharro says...

Tommy the Tank wrote:
Rather than banging on about prison reform- there are plenty out in the free world who have been doing so for years and it's not necessarily a bad cause- perhaps he should take a leaf out of the book of a much greater politician, John Profumo. Following his fall from grace Profumo started cleaning toilets at Toynbee Hall, a charitable institution in the East end of London. Profumo worked with this charity for the rest of his long life and was rehabilitated to a large extent into the society whose trust he had lost.

Hanningfield's debt to today's society has in no way been paid. He bleats about the sentence he received suggesting that it would have been less had it not been for media attention- of course he courted the media in his political life when it suited him.

Now a message for the man himself:

A little humility and taking responsibility for your greed, Hanningfield- that's what the 'ordinary' people want to see. Now, don your Marigolds and get scrubbing and one day you might deserve to sit at the same table as decent, honest, hard working people.
I wish I had written that. You are spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy the Tank[/bold] wrote: Rather than banging on about prison reform- there are plenty out in the free world who have been doing so for years and it's not necessarily a bad cause- perhaps he should take a leaf out of the book of a much greater politician, John Profumo. Following his fall from grace Profumo started cleaning toilets at Toynbee Hall, a charitable institution in the East end of London. Profumo worked with this charity for the rest of his long life and was rehabilitated to a large extent into the society whose trust he had lost. Hanningfield's debt to today's society has in no way been paid. He bleats about the sentence he received suggesting that it would have been less had it not been for media attention- of course he courted the media in his political life when it suited him. Now a message for the man himself: A little humility and taking responsibility for your greed, Hanningfield- that's what the 'ordinary' people want to see. Now, don your Marigolds and get scrubbing and one day you might deserve to sit at the same table as decent, honest, hard working people.[/p][/quote]I wish I had written that. You are spot on. John T Pharro

6:20pm Tue 7 Aug 12

King 'El says...

E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Errr, yes.
One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.
[quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?[/p][/quote]Errr, yes.[/p][/quote]One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure. King 'El

9:46pm Tue 7 Aug 12

E-Types.. says...

King 'El wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Errr, yes.
One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.
Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.
[quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?[/p][/quote]Errr, yes.[/p][/quote]One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL. E-Types..

3:09pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Mslightfoot says...

This is the only time White has been caught - what about all of the fiddling and criminal fingers in the cookie jars we don't know about and never will know about.

Disgraceful - Lord ! - Kiss my behind - he should never be allowed to hold any office, any other convicted criminal wouldn't be allowed to - that is what is wrong with this country - greedy sods like him.

Makes my blood boil.
This is the only time White has been caught - what about all of the fiddling and criminal fingers in the cookie jars we don't know about and never will know about. Disgraceful - Lord ! - Kiss my behind - he should never be allowed to hold any office, any other convicted criminal wouldn't be allowed to - that is what is wrong with this country - greedy sods like him. Makes my blood boil. Mslightfoot

10:22am Thu 9 Aug 12

E-Types.. says...

Without standing matters to be resolved perhaps the lord is trying to get reform before he is next a customer of the prison system.
Without standing matters to be resolved perhaps the lord is trying to get reform before he is next a customer of the prison system. E-Types..

11:53am Thu 9 Aug 12

Squirm says...

Come come chaps you are too harsh. After all it was only an accounting error...lessons have been learnt...he acknowledges a minor infringement. Give the gent a chance! He knows he can do us so much good; teach us the error of our ways and so forth.
If he starts a charity guess who will look after the cheque book. What does anyone expect from a pig...except a grunt!
Come come chaps you are too harsh. After all it was only an accounting error...lessons have been learnt...he acknowledges a minor infringement. Give the gent a chance! He knows he can do us so much good; teach us the error of our ways and so forth. If he starts a charity guess who will look after the cheque book. What does anyone expect from a pig...except a grunt! Squirm

11:53am Thu 9 Aug 12

SUFC1906 says...

So he still struggles to come to terms with his imprisonment, "there are not many others like me". No? How about the 650 occupants of the House of Commons & the rest of his mates in the Lords. What he really means is "I got jailed while they were let off". "Prison should only be for the ordinary benefit claimant or people who can't pay the council tax".
So he still struggles to come to terms with his imprisonment, "there are not many others like me". No? How about the 650 occupants of the House of Commons & the rest of his mates in the Lords. What he really means is "I got jailed while they were let off". "Prison should only be for the ordinary benefit claimant or people who can't pay the council tax". SUFC1906

1:25pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Hugh.Janus says...

Prisons do not need reforming, the people in them are the ones that do need reforming.
There are many different types of prisoner, majority of whom will take to the programmes that are offered in prison to assist them to be accepted outside and to be able to leave prison with skills other than criminal skills. It is clearly documented on what is available to prisoners once they have been sentenced.
There is a hard core of prisoners who spend most of their lives in and out of a prison and have no intention of reforming themselves and given the first opportunity to re-offend, they will take it and likely end up inside again.
What is required is the ability of the offender to come to terms with what they have done and stop re-offending, the prions today give the offender that opportunity.
Unfortunately we have around 82K offenders currently in prison which you and I pay for, we also pay through their crimes. So it is not prisons that need reforming, its the offenders. What Lord H refers to is somewhat beyond me as there is not way with the shortness of his sentence will he have had the opportunity to assess the conditions to make a statement that he needs to reform anything.
Prisons do not need reforming, the people in them are the ones that do need reforming. There are many different types of prisoner, majority of whom will take to the programmes that are offered in prison to assist them to be accepted outside and to be able to leave prison with skills other than criminal skills. It is clearly documented on what is available to prisoners once they have been sentenced. There is a hard core of prisoners who spend most of their lives in and out of a prison and have no intention of reforming themselves and given the first opportunity to re-offend, they will take it and likely end up inside again. What is required is the ability of the offender to come to terms with what they have done and stop re-offending, the prions today give the offender that opportunity. Unfortunately we have around 82K offenders currently in prison which you and I pay for, we also pay through their crimes. So it is not prisons that need reforming, its the offenders. What Lord H refers to is somewhat beyond me as there is not way with the shortness of his sentence will he have had the opportunity to assess the conditions to make a statement that he needs to reform anything. Hugh.Janus

2:27pm Thu 9 Aug 12

E- Types. says...

E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Errr, yes.
One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.
Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.
I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.
[quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?[/p][/quote]Errr, yes.[/p][/quote]One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.[/p][/quote]I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles. E- Types.

2:38pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Gina the weaner says...

E- Types. wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Errr, yes.
One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.
Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.
I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.
This has nothing to do with the pig farmer save for the fact that the original(?) E-Types was/is as thick as pig excrement. Perhaps it is time for all E-Types to trot off- I doubt this will happen but at least give us a break.
[quote][p][bold]E- Types.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?[/p][/quote]Errr, yes.[/p][/quote]One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.[/p][/quote]I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.[/p][/quote]This has nothing to do with the pig farmer save for the fact that the original(?) E-Types was/is as thick as pig excrement. Perhaps it is time for all E-Types to trot off- I doubt this will happen but at least give us a break. Gina the weaner

7:07pm Thu 9 Aug 12

E-Types.. says...

Gina the weaner wrote:
E- Types. wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Errr, yes.
One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.
Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.
I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.
This has nothing to do with the pig farmer save for the fact that the original(?) E-Types was/is as thick as pig excrement. Perhaps it is time for all E-Types to trot off- I doubt this will happen but at least give us a break.
Wake up dozy, your post drifts from deep to shallow and back again without any steering from you...The idiot who aches to be me must be clear now to even the most dimwitted poster ie you!

Now i again try to extract some evidence of what you contend about my intelligence...can you give a example, a little one even or a minute one or anything to show what you post is even slightly correct? Anything to prove you are not a feebleminded twerp with the brain matter of an empty headed grasshopper.
[quote][p][bold]Gina the weaner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E- Types.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?[/p][/quote]Errr, yes.[/p][/quote]One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.[/p][/quote]I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.[/p][/quote]This has nothing to do with the pig farmer save for the fact that the original(?) E-Types was/is as thick as pig excrement. Perhaps it is time for all E-Types to trot off- I doubt this will happen but at least give us a break.[/p][/quote]Wake up dozy, your post drifts from deep to shallow and back again without any steering from you...The idiot who aches to be me must be clear now to even the most dimwitted poster ie you! Now i again try to extract some evidence of what you contend about my intelligence...can you give a example, a little one even or a minute one or anything to show what you post is even slightly correct? Anything to prove you are not a feebleminded twerp with the brain matter of an empty headed grasshopper. E-Types..

7:08pm Thu 9 Aug 12

E-Types.. says...

E- Types. wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Errr, yes.
One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.
Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.
I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.
You are without doubt a retarded personality BUT even so you walk very carefully under my gaze and well you should... for id have you paying through the nose at the drop of a hat..one slip, one little slip is all i need and BINGO!
[quote][p][bold]E- Types.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?[/p][/quote]Errr, yes.[/p][/quote]One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.[/p][/quote]I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.[/p][/quote]You are without doubt a retarded personality BUT even so you walk very carefully under my gaze and well you should... for id have you paying through the nose at the drop of a hat..one slip, one little slip is all i need and BINGO! E-Types..

11:33pm Thu 9 Aug 12

E- Types. says...

E-Types.. wrote:
E- Types. wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Errr, yes.
One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.
Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.
I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.
You are without doubt a retarded personality BUT even so you walk very carefully under my gaze and well you should... for id have you paying through the nose at the drop of a hat..one slip, one little slip is all i need and BINGO!
King 'El, that sounds menacing!
[quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E- Types.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?[/p][/quote]Errr, yes.[/p][/quote]One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.[/p][/quote]I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.[/p][/quote]You are without doubt a retarded personality BUT even so you walk very carefully under my gaze and well you should... for id have you paying through the nose at the drop of a hat..one slip, one little slip is all i need and BINGO![/p][/quote]King 'El, that sounds menacing! E- Types.

11:58pm Thu 9 Aug 12

E-Types.. says...

E- Types. wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
E- Types. wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Errr, yes.
One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.
Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.
I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.
You are without doubt a retarded personality BUT even so you walk very carefully under my gaze and well you should... for id have you paying through the nose at the drop of a hat..one slip, one little slip is all i need and BINGO!
King 'El, that sounds menacing!
You are aware its aimed at you. the idiot you mention knows what he is and so do i but the lord alone knows what you are...sneak sneak carefully carefully
[quote][p][bold]E- Types.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E- Types.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?[/p][/quote]Errr, yes.[/p][/quote]One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.[/p][/quote]I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.[/p][/quote]You are without doubt a retarded personality BUT even so you walk very carefully under my gaze and well you should... for id have you paying through the nose at the drop of a hat..one slip, one little slip is all i need and BINGO![/p][/quote]King 'El, that sounds menacing![/p][/quote]You are aware its aimed at you. the idiot you mention knows what he is and so do i but the lord alone knows what you are...sneak sneak carefully carefully E-Types..

10:09am Fri 10 Aug 12

CALL ME CLINT says...

E-Types.. wrote:
Gina the weaner wrote:
E- Types. wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Errr, yes.
One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.
Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.
I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.
This has nothing to do with the pig farmer save for the fact that the original(?) E-Types was/is as thick as pig excrement. Perhaps it is time for all E-Types to trot off- I doubt this will happen but at least give us a break.
Wake up dozy, your post drifts from deep to shallow and back again without any steering from you...The idiot who aches to be me must be clear now to even the most dimwitted poster ie you!

Now i again try to extract some evidence of what you contend about my intelligence...can you give a example, a little one even or a minute one or anything to show what you post is even slightly correct? Anything to prove you are not a feebleminded twerp with the brain matter of an empty headed grasshopper.
Gina sure gets you rattled doesn't she? Take care you don't shake yourself apart you clown. Now, back to the thieving peer.....
[quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gina the weaner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E- Types.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?[/p][/quote]Errr, yes.[/p][/quote]One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.[/p][/quote]I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.[/p][/quote]This has nothing to do with the pig farmer save for the fact that the original(?) E-Types was/is as thick as pig excrement. Perhaps it is time for all E-Types to trot off- I doubt this will happen but at least give us a break.[/p][/quote]Wake up dozy, your post drifts from deep to shallow and back again without any steering from you...The idiot who aches to be me must be clear now to even the most dimwitted poster ie you! Now i again try to extract some evidence of what you contend about my intelligence...can you give a example, a little one even or a minute one or anything to show what you post is even slightly correct? Anything to prove you are not a feebleminded twerp with the brain matter of an empty headed grasshopper.[/p][/quote]Gina sure gets you rattled doesn't she? Take care you don't shake yourself apart you clown. Now, back to the thieving peer..... CALL ME CLINT

11:38am Fri 10 Aug 12

E-Types.. says...

CALL ME CLINT wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
Gina the weaner wrote:
E- Types. wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
E-Types.. wrote:
King 'El wrote:
Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?
Errr, yes.
One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.
Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.
I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.
This has nothing to do with the pig farmer save for the fact that the original(?) E-Types was/is as thick as pig excrement. Perhaps it is time for all E-Types to trot off- I doubt this will happen but at least give us a break.
Wake up dozy, your post drifts from deep to shallow and back again without any steering from you...The idiot who aches to be me must be clear now to even the most dimwitted poster ie you!

Now i again try to extract some evidence of what you contend about my intelligence...can you give a example, a little one even or a minute one or anything to show what you post is even slightly correct? Anything to prove you are not a feebleminded twerp with the brain matter of an empty headed grasshopper.
Gina sure gets you rattled doesn't she? Take care you don't shake yourself apart you clown. Now, back to the thieving peer.....
She may get you rattled, for whatever reason that float your sinking boat but i find her posts to be rather along the lines of ' oh you naughty thing' or the bite of a toothless gnat! She states things then slips off to avoid having to give evidence of what she states. Think she learnt that from most of your racist sickos on here. Hit and run.

As for clown, if im that then you are a clown assistant for you have been slapped back under the stone you crept from appearing now and again to post just as you have. Weak and pathetic.

In the words of Bob Dylan "The times are a-changing" you can see evidence of that from the posts at the start of the year to the post now...
[quote][p][bold]CALL ME CLINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gina the weaner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E- Types.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types..[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King 'El[/bold] wrote: Btw, would the real ET please stand up ?[/p][/quote]Errr, yes.[/p][/quote]One of you is a bit dotty that's for sure.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree, the one who decided, as he/she did before, to copy my user name, save for a slight moderation, has to have issues..what makes a person go to the trouble of doing that? Perhaps it's admiration... isn't there an idiom that say's imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Am i being stalked by an admirer? LOL.[/p][/quote]I have already bin in contact with the authorities and they will be investigating the imposers including youself. This is a serious matter in breach of law and illegal and guts will be had for gutters. It would seam I now have an ally on these treads so you will soon be at the recieving end of clitigation as soon as rich.carol and me have agreed on method. Don't think you will get away you imbeciles.[/p][/quote]This has nothing to do with the pig farmer save for the fact that the original(?) E-Types was/is as thick as pig excrement. Perhaps it is time for all E-Types to trot off- I doubt this will happen but at least give us a break.[/p][/quote]Wake up dozy, your post drifts from deep to shallow and back again without any steering from you...The idiot who aches to be me must be clear now to even the most dimwitted poster ie you! Now i again try to extract some evidence of what you contend about my intelligence...can you give a example, a little one even or a minute one or anything to show what you post is even slightly correct? Anything to prove you are not a feebleminded twerp with the brain matter of an empty headed grasshopper.[/p][/quote]Gina sure gets you rattled doesn't she? Take care you don't shake yourself apart you clown. Now, back to the thieving peer.....[/p][/quote]She may get you rattled, for whatever reason that float your sinking boat but i find her posts to be rather along the lines of ' oh you naughty thing' or the bite of a toothless gnat! She states things then slips off to avoid having to give evidence of what she states. Think she learnt that from most of your racist sickos on here. Hit and run. As for clown, if im that then you are a clown assistant for you have been slapped back under the stone you crept from appearing now and again to post just as you have. Weak and pathetic. In the words of Bob Dylan "The times are a-changing" you can see evidence of that from the posts at the start of the year to the post now... E-Types..

11:49am Fri 10 Aug 12

nicknows says...

For goodness sake will you lot play nicely. These comments are supposed to relate to the news story not to your silly name callings!!!!!!!!!!

Lord Hanningfield got caught but in no way is he either reformed or paid his debt to society!

Yes I know he paid the money back that he got caught out stealing but he should have paid back at least ten times that amount as a token of his remorse!!!!!!!!!!
For goodness sake will you lot play nicely. These comments are supposed to relate to the news story not to your silly name callings!!!!!!!!!! Lord Hanningfield got caught but in no way is he either reformed or paid his debt to society! Yes I know he paid the money back that he got caught out stealing but he should have paid back at least ten times that amount as a token of his remorse!!!!!!!!!! nicknows

12:47pm Fri 10 Aug 12

bdps66 says...

Order. Order. Yes, let's get this thread back on track please. How many criminals would just love to give back what they've been caught stealing and just spend a quarter of their punishment in prison before coming out and potentially carry on where they left off? Are there adequate precautions in place to prevent the elected politicians as well as the unelected "Peers of the Realm" from continuing to defraud the taxpayer?
Order. Order. Yes, let's get this thread back on track please. How many criminals would just love to give back what they've been caught stealing and just spend a quarter of their punishment in prison before coming out and potentially carry on where they left off? Are there adequate precautions in place to prevent the elected politicians as well as the unelected "Peers of the Realm" from continuing to defraud the taxpayer? bdps66

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