Teenager robbed in Leigh street (From Echo)

Was the perpetrator wielding a scythe ?

you really dont need the visibility of a weapon as proof of intent to harm these days....i do hope you are not trivializing this young boys situation al conistion!!! What would you have done then? how awful that you hear this daily!

the description of the wanted person sounds like Grim Reaper . . . oh, and you can have it on good authority that had it been me instead of a 14 year old that this piece of scum decided to rob, he'd have made a bad choice ;)

this just confirms that the scum which has infested southend and westcliff is branching out, guess they are thinking about rich pickings.
A young lady was mugged also in leigh just 3 weeks ago around the same time, lets hope the local police look into this further.
lets hope that the thief involved meets his match.........

Whereabouts is the alley between Canvey Road and Harley Street? I use both those roads every day and can't recall having noticed one?

glad you cleared that up!! I see it now, bit slow today me, lol i would like to think i would totally batter someone had they tried to rob me, truth be known i really dont know what i would do, i like to think that i would take him or her on and win, however who knows how we react when in the situation?
Its getting so frequent, i am sure there should be more safety awareness taught and also regarding phones not enough is being done to advise people to record the imei number and in the event of a theft have it barred and blacklisted......the
re are many fly by night companies that unlock phones illegally and also buy stolen goods therefore encouraging these scumbags to steal in the first place...maybe its high time we had some sort of regulation into these dealers who give cash for goods? surely if its harder to sell phones etc then the rate of their thefts would decline?

samznutts wrote:
glad you cleared that up!! I see it now, bit slow today me, lol i would like to think i would totally batter someone had they tried to rob me, truth be known i really dont know what i would do, i like to think that i would take him or her on and win, however who knows how we react when in the situation? Its getting so frequent, i am sure there should be more safety awareness taught and also regarding phones not enough is being done to advise people to record the imei number and in the event of a theft have it barred and blacklisted......the re are many fly by night companies that unlock phones illegally and also buy stolen goods therefore encouraging these scumbags to steal in the first place...maybe its high time we had some sort of regulation into these dealers who give cash for goods? surely if its harder to sell phones etc then the rate of their thefts would decline?

You tend to find that scum like this pick on the weak and vulnerable. I am not suggesting that the victim is either, but given his age i would guess that he would have been seen as easy pickings. Personally, i have little faith in the local/national police force, and i don't think i'd have any hesitation in handing out a good hiding to anyone who confronted me nor would i stand back in assisting someone else.

al coniston wrote:

samznutts wrote:
glad you cleared that up!! I see it now, bit slow today me, lol i would like to think i would totally batter someone had they tried to rob me, truth be known i really dont know what i would do, i like to think that i would take him or her on and win, however who knows how we react when in the situation? Its getting so frequent, i am sure there should be more safety awareness taught and also regarding phones not enough is being done to advise people to record the imei number and in the event of a theft have it barred and blacklisted......the re are many fly by night companies that unlock phones illegally and also buy stolen goods therefore encouraging these scumbags to steal in the first place...maybe its high time we had some sort of regulation into these dealers who give cash for goods? surely if its harder to sell phones etc then the rate of their thefts would decline?

You tend to find that scum like this pick on the weak and vulnerable. I am not suggesting that the victim is either, but given his age i would guess that he would have been seen as easy pickings. Personally, i have little faith in the local/national police force, and i don't think i'd have any hesitation in handing out a good hiding to anyone who confronted me nor would i stand back in assisting someone else.

Totally agree, after my son was mugged in southchurch park a few years ago, my other half went there with my son to identify the 2 brothers who stole his bag....My other half frightened them both half to death but in no way harmed them, one of them was grabbed, no marks were left etc, a lot of shouting took place - they took him to where they had stashed the bag! They were i think 14 and 16, my son was 13...the younger one was in pieces but they went home to mummy and my other half was arrested and under simple police caution for assault!!!! this caution only happened because under interview when asked if he would do the same again he said YES!!! lol!! the police never took any action regarding my sons bag being taken!!! So there you go!! However my other half pointed out during the interview that had it been an old lady, young person etc he would not hesitate in stepping in....the CPS decided he deserved a caution for it!!! This may have something to do with the reason that theft is on the increase!!!

samznutts wrote:

al coniston wrote:

samznutts wrote: glad you cleared that up!! I see it now, bit slow today me, lol i would like to think i would totally batter someone had they tried to rob me, truth be known i really dont know what i would do, i like to think that i would take him or her on and win, however who knows how we react when in the situation? Its getting so frequent, i am sure there should be more safety awareness taught and also regarding phones not enough is being done to advise people to record the imei number and in the event of a theft have it barred and blacklisted......the re are many fly by night companies that unlock phones illegally and also buy stolen goods therefore encouraging these scumbags to steal in the first place...maybe its high time we had some sort of regulation into these dealers who give cash for goods? surely if its harder to sell phones etc then the rate of their thefts would decline?

You tend to find that scum like this pick on the weak and vulnerable. I am not suggesting that the victim is either, but given his age i would guess that he would have been seen as easy pickings. Personally, i have little faith in the local/national police force, and i don't think i'd have any hesitation in handing out a good hiding to anyone who confronted me nor would i stand back in assisting someone else.

Totally agree, after my son was mugged in southchurch park a few years ago, my other half went there with my son to identify the 2 brothers who stole his bag....My other half frightened them both half to death but in no way harmed them, one of them was grabbed, no marks were left etc, a lot of shouting took place - they took him to where they had stashed the bag! They were i think 14 and 16, my son was 13...the younger one was in pieces but they went home to mummy and my other half was arrested and under simple police caution for assault!!!! this caution only happened because under interview when asked if he would do the same again he said YES!!! lol!! the police never took any action regarding my sons bag being taken!!! So there you go!! However my other half pointed out during the interview that had it been an old lady, young person etc he would not hesitate in stepping in....the CPS decided he deserved a caution for it!!! This may have something to do with the reason that theft is on the increase!!!

I have 2 young children and i fear for the society that they will be raised into ! I am not saying that i was brought up in a perfect world back in the 70's and 80's but we seemed to have a lot more respect for people and property than the youth of today seem to.

Is it my age or my perception that somehow the nature of crime has changed over the past 50 years. We had the Krays and we had the Teddy Boy razor gangs but there seems to be an almost alien origin of so much ready recourse to knives and for such petty reasons such as a blooming petty phone. Has human nature detiorated or has our national culture?

Re mine 3.23 ..should read "deteriorated" ..sorry arthritic hands not illiteracy.

Hope the victim(s) feel(s) better soon. Now then, victim was one of three whom encounter mugger. So what about the other two then? Did they all have to run to Station?
This has been presented as to lead one to assume that the victim was targeted as opposed to having been chosen at random thus why? Were the other two not mugged or mugged but with no 'bounty' to give thus 'not mugged' just witness to?
Mugger could only hold onto two at once (ie one each with each of his hands) so the third is loose and at least two legs kicking at him surprised this 'job' was pulled off at all. Now, I'm starting to wonder if it happened at all but that the 'goods' were sold then lied about to cover up and gain replacements.
This has ruined a perfectly good cup of tea n a biscuit. "Bah!"

Chap wrote:
Whereabouts is the alley between Canvey Road and Harley Street? I use both those roads every day and can't recall having noticed one?

I had a look on Google Street View and it looks like some Garages at the North End of the road - but that doesn't link with Harley Street (unless you're an Echo Reporter).

Here's some random thought.
1. I was Mugged in Oxford Street once. I went back to my office (7pm) and there were friends and colleagues there. The subsequent chat with them then the talk when I got home and so on made the event less awful . I DO recommend talking it through with people.
2. My Son was approached in Southend one evening and his phone was demanded. He used his keys to defend himself and made his way to the Odoen to await some "backup" from a Police friend ....The nice staff at the Odeon turfed him out as they said they were closing....leaving him to be confronted by the 3 muggers..luckily the Police arrived 10 seconds later and the scumbags scarpered.

Heavenwilkins wrote:
Is it my age or my perception that somehow the nature of crime has changed over the past 50 years. We had the Krays and we had the Teddy Boy razor gangs but there seems to be an almost alien origin of so much ready recourse to knives and for such petty reasons such as a blooming petty phone. Has human nature detiorated or has our national culture?

Crime has become more violent as society has accepted a great level of violence as a result of greater number being committed and familiarity creeping in.

It has always been violent the difference btwn the 50's,60's and 70's is that these days we accept it and fail to Police it properly Or punish it accordingly.

How many people used the words at the weekend 'there was another murder in Southend this weekend'

A murder 30 years ago would have terrified the local community these days we read about then ignore it.

The criminal Justice System under Blair became severly weakened /destroyed whatever you wish to call it despite the fact that he introduced more and more offences, which have all become acceptable as being weak and that only allows barristers thro legal aid which also became more generous to become richer i.e Cherrie Blair etc and society to learnt to accept everything that was not acceptable 30 plus years ago.

And I hasten to add we currently have a Govt that is as strong as a rice pudding.

robbed in a an alleyway

Brilliant use of English. Not.


Does anyone at the Echo check these articles before they are uploaded for the world to laugh at?

samznutts wrote:
you really dont need the visibility of a weapon as proof of intent to harm these days....i do hope you are not trivializing this young boys situation al conistion!!! What would you have done then? how awful that you hear this daily!

Closer to London, I’ve probably been threatened with a “knife” about 4 times when they’ve never actually produced it! I feel like saying well show me then! If they’ve not got one then you go for it! I’m sure a lot of the time they say they have one they don’t – they just know that half of the people out there will just hand over their belongings without a fight, just because of this threat. If you had a knife, why would you not produce it unless you’re in the middle of somewhere crowded? Most people don’t get mugged in the middle of a crowded place!

3 teenagers "mugged" by another teenager?? were we born yesterday? clearly some of you muppets were.

crime has changed because all the old school gentlemen gangsters who knew everyone in the area and were against mugging old ladies have been arrested into extinction and the voids were filled by foreign criminals who just want money, the police will never be as effective at deterring crime in the communtity, they shot themselves in the foot by going after all the home-grown gangsters and ignoring the foreign ones who have now fully established themselves, those days are long gone

This type of shenanigans is on the increase. because young teenagers and indeed the older community nowadays carry far more valuable items than back in day before valuable electronic gadgets. This coupled with the fact that these low life street robbers know only too well that in the unlikely event of them ever being caught nothing other than a mild slap on the wrist is likely to happen.
As pointed out in the thread if the victims of these deplorable crimes decide to take matters into their own hands there is a good chance they will be the ones who gain a shinny new criminal record. Completely and utterly nuts situation which makes my blood boil and obviously confronted with a knife not a great deal you can do. I speak from very recent experience on this subject and often wish I was Bruce Lee

Although I would not stop anyone having a mobile phone, so many young people have £500 i phones or simular. If their parents only bought them a £20 phone they would not be robbed.

They would still be robbed. I don't have a sign around my neck saying "phone value = £225". They will still approach and rob - however they may be a bit miffed when the Nokia 3210 comes out of the pocket.

the church of asbo wrote:
3 teenagers "mugged" by another teenager?? were we born yesterday? clearly some of you muppets were.

The victims were only 14, the mugger is described as five foot ten and of medium build, so he doesn't sound like ypiur average 14 year old does he? Also having a knife, seen or unseen, changes everything so well done to the victim for NOT resisting or this could have had a much worse outcome.

Ooops typo! 'Ypiur' should have been 'your'.

DCLEIGH wrote:

Chap wrote: Whereabouts is the alley between Canvey Road and Harley Street? I use both those roads every day and can't recall having noticed one?

I had a look on Google Street View and it looks like some Garages at the North End of the road - but that doesn't link with Harley Street (unless you're an Echo Reporter).

I think you must mean close to the junction with London Road - there is an alley there but doesn't go right through (and the other side would be Leigh Gardens).

There is no alleyway between Canvey Road and Harley Street, so either the report is wrong or soemthing else is a little fishy.....

Chap wrote:

DCLEIGH wrote:

Chap wrote: Whereabouts is the alley between Canvey Road and Harley Street? I use both those roads every day and can't recall having noticed one?

I had a look on Google Street View and it looks like some Garages at the North End of the road - but that doesn't link with Harley Street (unless you're an Echo Reporter).

I think you must mean close to the junction with London Road - there is an alley there but doesn't go right through (and the other side would be Leigh Gardens).

There is no alleyway between Canvey Road and Harley Street, so either the report is wrong or soemthing else is a little fishy.....

You must be correct...I am afraid I didn't have the nerve to go and look - scared to leave the house these days.

;)

samznutts wrote:

al coniston wrote:

samznutts wrote: glad you cleared that up!! I see it now, bit slow today me, lol i would like to think i would totally batter someone had they tried to rob me, truth be known i really dont know what i would do, i like to think that i would take him or her on and win, however who knows how we react when in the situation? Its getting so frequent, i am sure there should be more safety awareness taught and also regarding phones not enough is being done to advise people to record the imei number and in the event of a theft have it barred and blacklisted......the re are many fly by night companies that unlock phones illegally and also buy stolen goods therefore encouraging these scumbags to steal in the first place...maybe its high time we had some sort of regulation into these dealers who give cash for goods? surely if its harder to sell phones etc then the rate of their thefts would decline?

You tend to find that scum like this pick on the weak and vulnerable. I am not suggesting that the victim is either, but given his age i would guess that he would have been seen as easy pickings. Personally, i have little faith in the local/national police force, and i don't think i'd have any hesitation in handing out a good hiding to anyone who confronted me nor would i stand back in assisting someone else.

Totally agree, after my son was mugged in southchurch park a few years ago, my other half went there with my son to identify the 2 brothers who stole his bag....My other half frightened them both half to death but in no way harmed them, one of them was grabbed, no marks were left etc, a lot of shouting took place - they took him to where they had stashed the bag! They were i think 14 and 16, my son was 13...the younger one was in pieces but they went home to mummy and my other half was arrested and under simple police caution for assault!!!! this caution only happened because under interview when asked if he would do the same again he said YES!!! lol!! the police never took any action regarding my sons bag being taken!!! So there you go!! However my other half pointed out during the interview that had it been an old lady, young person etc he would not hesitate in stepping in....the CPS decided he deserved a caution for it!!! This may have something to do with the reason that theft is on the increase!!!

The problem is that the police are judged on their statistics, one threatening parent brought to book and cautioned is one crime reported and one crime solved without having to leave the police station whereas it might have taken a long time to find the robbers with no guarantee of a conviction. Blame the useless politicians, as usual.