Boris's city idea for Thames Estuary airport

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LONDON mayor Boris Johnson has set out an elaborate plan to build a mini city around the proposed Thames Estuary airport.

The “aerotropolis”, located off the coast of south Essex, could become home to 20,000 people and feature major developments, such as a hospital, university campus and major business centre.

Mr Johnson also hopes to create, what he calls, a social infrastructure, including shops, parks, schools and a transport network.

He has revealed his lofty ambitions after a visit to Hyderabad, India.

Its two-runway airport is set to double in size over the next five years and is a leading example of the vision for building cities around an airport.

Speaking from the Indian airport after his week-long tour of the country, Mr Johnson said: “This airport in Hyderabad is very impressive. “The Indians are very ambitious, but they are very efficient as they use the airport to grow the local economy. They are quite right. We have much to learn.

“I very much admire that vision and I’m thinking along similar lines in London.

“We have an airport capacity crisis. India’s vision of an aerotropolis is extremely powerful.”

The proposed £50billion Thames Estuary airport, just a few miles off the coast of Southend and Canvey, could see 150million passengers pass through every year.

Mr Johnson believes the idea would provide a long-term plan for Britain’s airport capacity crisis and prevent further expansion at Heathrow, Gatwick or Stansted.

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8:44am Thu 29 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

The loon needs locking up.
The loon needs locking up. Shoebury_Cyclist

8:54am Thu 29 Nov 12

GentleGiant says...

Would be wonderful if this ever happened - although likely to see pigs flying first!

Mind you we would need the A130 extending to Kent first.
Would be wonderful if this ever happened - although likely to see pigs flying first! Mind you we would need the A130 extending to Kent first. GentleGiant

10:10am Thu 29 Nov 12

liseinga says...

Making plans for our area, what a cheek. He is NOT mayor of Southend, thankfully, so should not make plans for this area. OUT OF ORDER.
Making plans for our area, what a cheek. He is NOT mayor of Southend, thankfully, so should not make plans for this area. OUT OF ORDER. liseinga

11:14am Thu 29 Nov 12

exBillericayDicky says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The loon needs locking up.
Why? because he dares to think outside the norm?
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The loon needs locking up.[/p][/quote]Why? because he dares to think outside the norm? exBillericayDicky

11:23am Thu 29 Nov 12

Olivia2847 says...

liseinga wrote:
Making plans for our area, what a cheek. He is NOT mayor of Southend, thankfully, so should not make plans for this area. OUT OF ORDER.
Yeh but look at the ones we have here at the moment a load of ignorants! Good luck Boris - crack on!
[quote][p][bold]liseinga[/bold] wrote: Making plans for our area, what a cheek. He is NOT mayor of Southend, thankfully, so should not make plans for this area. OUT OF ORDER.[/p][/quote]Yeh but look at the ones we have here at the moment a load of ignorants! Good luck Boris - crack on! Olivia2847

11:23am Thu 29 Nov 12

Olivia2847 says...

exBillericayDicky wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The loon needs locking up.
Why? because he dares to think outside the norm?
Exactly - we have a council full of norms who couldn't run a bath .....
[quote][p][bold]exBillericayDicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The loon needs locking up.[/p][/quote]Why? because he dares to think outside the norm?[/p][/quote]Exactly - we have a council full of norms who couldn't run a bath ..... Olivia2847

11:28am Thu 29 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

exBillericayDicky wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The loon needs locking up.
Why? because he dares to think outside the norm?
Because he clearly thinks being Mayor of London equates to being Mayor of the entire country. He has no jurisdiction over Essex and Kent, and has no right to inflict his idiotic fantasies on the people who live here.
[quote][p][bold]exBillericayDicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The loon needs locking up.[/p][/quote]Why? because he dares to think outside the norm?[/p][/quote]Because he clearly thinks being Mayor of London equates to being Mayor of the entire country. He has no jurisdiction over Essex and Kent, and has no right to inflict his idiotic fantasies on the people who live here. Shoebury_Cyclist

11:29am Thu 29 Nov 12

marshman says...

I'm sure all those Indians have room for another chief so can't he just stay there?
I'm sure all those Indians have room for another chief so can't he just stay there? marshman

11:36am Thu 29 Nov 12

andyh says...

I don't think the idea is so unreasonable. However, perhaps he is too modest in these ambitions - why not take the idea to a logical extension and treat the Thames Estuary in the manner that the Dutch treated the Zuider Zee? That could provide huge amounts of land for housing and would be no uglier than Canvey :-)
Could probably be combined with enough tidal power generation to provide all the electricity needed for that housing with enough to spare for maglev transport to central London.
Right, now to consider my consultancy fees.
I don't think the idea is so unreasonable. However, perhaps he is too modest in these ambitions - why not take the idea to a logical extension and treat the Thames Estuary in the manner that the Dutch treated the Zuider Zee? That could provide huge amounts of land for housing and would be no uglier than Canvey :-) Could probably be combined with enough tidal power generation to provide all the electricity needed for that housing with enough to spare for maglev transport to central London. Right, now to consider my consultancy fees. andyh

11:43am Thu 29 Nov 12

maxell says...

It would seem to be a good idea as the freight from DP world would have only to cross a bridge rather than using the road or rail , thus reducing the road carbon footprint, and on the plus side southend would have an air display 24/7 forever. Due to large investments of dp world, the thames project has real legs, as I feel that it is realised that getting freight to the nearest airport is important, and southend is really not that accessable, if the stobart group were to take 25% of the freight containers, out of the million container movements documented, thats 250.000 trucks into southend a year, 684 trucks a day. Further investment would be needed to to develop a train link from basically the fenchurch street line over to the liverpool street line the neaerest and obvious place to develop this would be the saddlers farm aera. or is this already planned, saddlers was re-developed to cater for freight from DP world, and where will all the containers be stored easy the old access /tommeys site next the the rail way line , I can see it now gantry cranes, 24 opperation, tannoys, flood lights, but hopefully lots of jobs for local people as well.
It would seem to be a good idea as the freight from DP world would have only to cross a bridge rather than using the road or rail , thus reducing the road carbon footprint, and on the plus side southend would have an air display 24/7 forever. Due to large investments of dp world, the thames project has real legs, as I feel that it is realised that getting freight to the nearest airport is important, and southend is really not that accessable, if the stobart group were to take 25% of the freight containers, out of the million container movements documented, thats 250.000 trucks into southend a year, 684 trucks a day. Further investment would be needed to to develop a train link from basically the fenchurch street line over to the liverpool street line the neaerest and obvious place to develop this would be the saddlers farm aera. or is this already planned, saddlers was re-developed to cater for freight from DP world, and where will all the containers be stored easy the old access /tommeys site next the the rail way line , I can see it now gantry cranes, 24 opperation, tannoys, flood lights, but hopefully lots of jobs for local people as well. maxell

11:49am Thu 29 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

andyh wrote:
I don't think the idea is so unreasonable. However, perhaps he is too modest in these ambitions - why not take the idea to a logical extension and treat the Thames Estuary in the manner that the Dutch treated the Zuider Zee? That could provide huge amounts of land for housing and would be no uglier than Canvey :-)
Could probably be combined with enough tidal power generation to provide all the electricity needed for that housing with enough to spare for maglev transport to central London.
Right, now to consider my consultancy fees.
Because building on flood plains and simultaneously reducing the amount of drainage is foolish?
[quote][p][bold]andyh[/bold] wrote: I don't think the idea is so unreasonable. However, perhaps he is too modest in these ambitions - why not take the idea to a logical extension and treat the Thames Estuary in the manner that the Dutch treated the Zuider Zee? That could provide huge amounts of land for housing and would be no uglier than Canvey :-) Could probably be combined with enough tidal power generation to provide all the electricity needed for that housing with enough to spare for maglev transport to central London. Right, now to consider my consultancy fees.[/p][/quote]Because building on flood plains and simultaneously reducing the amount of drainage is foolish? Shoebury_Cyclist

11:54am Thu 29 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

maxell wrote:
It would seem to be a good idea as the freight from DP world would have only to cross a bridge rather than using the road or rail , thus reducing the road carbon footprint, and on the plus side southend would have an air display 24/7 forever. Due to large investments of dp world, the thames project has real legs, as I feel that it is realised that getting freight to the nearest airport is important, and southend is really not that accessable, if the stobart group were to take 25% of the freight containers, out of the million container movements documented, thats 250.000 trucks into southend a year, 684 trucks a day. Further investment would be needed to to develop a train link from basically the fenchurch street line over to the liverpool street line the neaerest and obvious place to develop this would be the saddlers farm aera. or is this already planned, saddlers was re-developed to cater for freight from DP world, and where will all the containers be stored easy the old access /tommeys site next the the rail way line , I can see it now gantry cranes, 24 opperation, tannoys, flood lights, but hopefully lots of jobs for local people as well.
The Fenchurch St and Liverpool St lines could easily be linked by putting a connecting line through Southchurch from Thorpe Bay to Southend Vic.
[quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: It would seem to be a good idea as the freight from DP world would have only to cross a bridge rather than using the road or rail , thus reducing the road carbon footprint, and on the plus side southend would have an air display 24/7 forever. Due to large investments of dp world, the thames project has real legs, as I feel that it is realised that getting freight to the nearest airport is important, and southend is really not that accessable, if the stobart group were to take 25% of the freight containers, out of the million container movements documented, thats 250.000 trucks into southend a year, 684 trucks a day. Further investment would be needed to to develop a train link from basically the fenchurch street line over to the liverpool street line the neaerest and obvious place to develop this would be the saddlers farm aera. or is this already planned, saddlers was re-developed to cater for freight from DP world, and where will all the containers be stored easy the old access /tommeys site next the the rail way line , I can see it now gantry cranes, 24 opperation, tannoys, flood lights, but hopefully lots of jobs for local people as well.[/p][/quote]The Fenchurch St and Liverpool St lines could easily be linked by putting a connecting line through Southchurch from Thorpe Bay to Southend Vic. Shoebury_Cyclist

11:55am Thu 29 Nov 12

Eric Whim says...

he's just supplying a bit of hot air to power those wind turbines that are just outside the mouth of the estaury....
he's just supplying a bit of hot air to power those wind turbines that are just outside the mouth of the estaury.... Eric Whim

1:11pm Thu 29 Nov 12

eurodoomed says...

I suspect Boris has never travelled east of Barking.
Anyone who knows anything about south Essex will know that it cannot possibly take any further development.
The government should squash the idea once and for all, so as to stop time and money being wasted on this lunatic proposal, and to stop thousands of people being unnecessarily worried.
Expansion of existing airports has to be the most sensible and environmentally acceptable option.
I suspect Boris has never travelled east of Barking. Anyone who knows anything about south Essex will know that it cannot possibly take any further development. The government should squash the idea once and for all, so as to stop time and money being wasted on this lunatic proposal, and to stop thousands of people being unnecessarily worried. Expansion of existing airports has to be the most sensible and environmentally acceptable option. eurodoomed

1:29pm Thu 29 Nov 12

andyh says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
andyh wrote:
I don't think the idea is so unreasonable. However, perhaps he is too modest in these ambitions - why not take the idea to a logical extension and treat the Thames Estuary in the manner that the Dutch treated the Zuider Zee? That could provide huge amounts of land for housing and would be no uglier than Canvey :-)
Could probably be combined with enough tidal power generation to provide all the electricity needed for that housing with enough to spare for maglev transport to central London.
Right, now to consider my consultancy fees.
Because building on flood plains and simultaneously reducing the amount of drainage is foolish?
The Dutch* managed to complete such a project and gained land area greater than 1/3rd of that of Essex. Make no mistake, it would be a long term project (it took them 75 years) but it would provide enormous benefits both to infrastructure and the economy.

* oddly enough, the one thing they haven't built on that reclaimed land is a major international airport … or any airport at all, it seems.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyh[/bold] wrote: I don't think the idea is so unreasonable. However, perhaps he is too modest in these ambitions - why not take the idea to a logical extension and treat the Thames Estuary in the manner that the Dutch treated the Zuider Zee? That could provide huge amounts of land for housing and would be no uglier than Canvey :-) Could probably be combined with enough tidal power generation to provide all the electricity needed for that housing with enough to spare for maglev transport to central London. Right, now to consider my consultancy fees.[/p][/quote]Because building on flood plains and simultaneously reducing the amount of drainage is foolish?[/p][/quote]The Dutch* managed to complete such a project and gained land area greater than 1/3rd of that of Essex. Make no mistake, it would be a long term project (it took them 75 years) but it would provide enormous benefits both to infrastructure and the economy. * oddly enough, the one thing they haven't built on that reclaimed land is a major international airport … or any airport at all, it seems. andyh

1:31pm Thu 29 Nov 12

exBillericayDicky says...

What Boris is doing, in the long run, is putting an idea so outrageous, that expanding Gatwick/Heathrow, will seem the better option.

In the South East we cannot take anymore onland development, but, there are many old airfields out there (West Malling? etc) that can be expanded for local/European flights, cargo, and keep LGW/LHR open for more longer distance flights
What Boris is doing, in the long run, is putting an idea so outrageous, that expanding Gatwick/Heathrow, will seem the better option. In the South East we cannot take anymore onland development, but, there are many old airfields out there (West Malling? etc) that can be expanded for local/European flights, cargo, and keep LGW/LHR open for more longer distance flights exBillericayDicky

1:32pm Thu 29 Nov 12

andyh says...

eurodoomed wrote:
I suspect Boris has never travelled east of Barking.
Anyone who knows anything about south Essex will know that it cannot possibly take any further development.
The government should squash the idea once and for all, so as to stop time and money being wasted on this lunatic proposal, and to stop thousands of people being unnecessarily worried.
Expansion of existing airports has to be the most sensible and environmentally acceptable option.
Actually, the whole point is that it is not to be built in South Essex, but on reclaimed land between Kent and Essex.

And the most environmentally sound option is to drastically reduce the amount of flying people do.
[quote][p][bold]eurodoomed[/bold] wrote: I suspect Boris has never travelled east of Barking. Anyone who knows anything about south Essex will know that it cannot possibly take any further development. The government should squash the idea once and for all, so as to stop time and money being wasted on this lunatic proposal, and to stop thousands of people being unnecessarily worried. Expansion of existing airports has to be the most sensible and environmentally acceptable option.[/p][/quote]Actually, the whole point is that it is not to be built in South Essex, but on reclaimed land between Kent and Essex. And the most environmentally sound option is to drastically reduce the amount of flying people do. andyh

1:54pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Sherloco says...

marshman wrote:
I'm sure all those Indians have room for another chief so can't he just stay there?
I think you are thinking of Red Indians, Native Americans.
[quote][p][bold]marshman[/bold] wrote: I'm sure all those Indians have room for another chief so can't he just stay there?[/p][/quote]I think you are thinking of Red Indians, Native Americans. Sherloco

1:56pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Colin Chelmsford says...

Not one of these schemes will ever see flight as the location is too close far east. If built in the Esturay aircraft would have to begin their approach over dutch airspace reducing the activities of Amsterdam Schiphol and I cannot see the Dutch argeeing to such a change in their airspace.

Even if they do you need an area the half the size of Kent to be given over to wild life in order for ecological barriers about relocating the bird life to be overcome.

The idea of draining the esturay would prove to be particularly problematic as there are several major shipping ports in the area including a gas terminal which receives around 20% of the countries supply via ship and the new container terminal which is due to open soon.

Plus of course what would you do with all the water comming down the Thames. The Zuider Zee work damed a bay and pumped out the water. This would mean blocking the flow of one of the worlds great rivers.

This is simply the case of wasting huge sums of tax payers money on planning for a project that will never happen, with the sole purpose of being seen to support business calls for more aviation capacity without upsetting voters on the flightpath into Heathrow.
Not one of these schemes will ever see flight as the location is too close far east. If built in the Esturay aircraft would have to begin their approach over dutch airspace reducing the activities of Amsterdam Schiphol and I cannot see the Dutch argeeing to such a change in their airspace. Even if they do you need an area the half the size of Kent to be given over to wild life in order for ecological barriers about relocating the bird life to be overcome. The idea of draining the esturay would prove to be particularly problematic as there are several major shipping ports in the area including a gas terminal which receives around 20% of the countries supply via ship and the new container terminal which is due to open soon. Plus of course what would you do with all the water comming down the Thames. The Zuider Zee work damed a bay and pumped out the water. This would mean blocking the flow of one of the worlds great rivers. This is simply the case of wasting huge sums of tax payers money on planning for a project that will never happen, with the sole purpose of being seen to support business calls for more aviation capacity without upsetting voters on the flightpath into Heathrow. Colin Chelmsford

2:08pm Thu 29 Nov 12

ninagal says...

YES TO ESSEX TO KENT CROSSING FOR THE CHANNEL TUNNEL & NEW AIRPORT ...

THANKS

Sorry I hate the Dartford crossing !!!!!!!

H8 QEII
YES TO ESSEX TO KENT CROSSING FOR THE CHANNEL TUNNEL & NEW AIRPORT ... THANKS Sorry I hate the Dartford crossing !!!!!!! H8 QEII ninagal

2:11pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Nebs says...

Great idea Boris. About time we had some serious investment in the South East.
Great idea Boris. About time we had some serious investment in the South East. Nebs

2:58pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Joe Wildman says...

This plans proves just what a hypocritical moron this waste of space buffon is.

He moans about aircraft disturbing the people who voted him in, but is happy for the people of South Essex, North Kent and now 20,000 jouseholds on his island to be forced to live with it.

Remember when he went out on a boat and a seamist rolled in, not goign to stop that happening, seabirds and jet engines do not mix.

Only a moron would support such a plan.
This plans proves just what a hypocritical moron this waste of space buffon is. He moans about aircraft disturbing the people who voted him in, but is happy for the people of South Essex, North Kent and now 20,000 jouseholds on his island to be forced to live with it. Remember when he went out on a boat and a seamist rolled in, not goign to stop that happening, seabirds and jet engines do not mix. Only a moron would support such a plan. Joe Wildman

3:03pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Olivia2847 says...

Joe Wildman wrote:
This plans proves just what a hypocritical moron this waste of space buffon is.

He moans about aircraft disturbing the people who voted him in, but is happy for the people of South Essex, North Kent and now 20,000 jouseholds on his island to be forced to live with it.

Remember when he went out on a boat and a seamist rolled in, not goign to stop that happening, seabirds and jet engines do not mix.

Only a moron would support such a plan.
Goign - vous parlez Francaise mieux!
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman[/bold] wrote: This plans proves just what a hypocritical moron this waste of space buffon is. He moans about aircraft disturbing the people who voted him in, but is happy for the people of South Essex, North Kent and now 20,000 jouseholds on his island to be forced to live with it. Remember when he went out on a boat and a seamist rolled in, not goign to stop that happening, seabirds and jet engines do not mix. Only a moron would support such a plan.[/p][/quote]Goign - vous parlez Francaise mieux! Olivia2847

3:48pm Thu 29 Nov 12

LadyOr says...

Nebs wrote:
Great idea Boris. About time we had some serious investment in the South East.
We need to build around these new investments and an airport would be a great start.

Essex and Kent would be linked by a bridge that we so badly need I agree about QE bridge...
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: Great idea Boris. About time we had some serious investment in the South East.[/p][/quote]We need to build around these new investments and an airport would be a great start. Essex and Kent would be linked by a bridge that we so badly need I agree about QE bridge... LadyOr

3:54pm Thu 29 Nov 12

LadyOr says...

Olivia2847 wrote:
Joe Wildman wrote:
This plans proves just what a hypocritical moron this waste of space buffon is.

He moans about aircraft disturbing the people who voted him in, but is happy for the people of South Essex, North Kent and now 20,000 jouseholds on his island to be forced to live with it.

Remember when he went out on a boat and a seamist rolled in, not goign to stop that happening, seabirds and jet engines do not mix.

Only a moron would support such a plan.
Goign - vous parlez Francaise mieux!
Boris too much of a Brit for this chap ?
[quote][p][bold]Olivia2847[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman[/bold] wrote: This plans proves just what a hypocritical moron this waste of space buffon is. He moans about aircraft disturbing the people who voted him in, but is happy for the people of South Essex, North Kent and now 20,000 jouseholds on his island to be forced to live with it. Remember when he went out on a boat and a seamist rolled in, not goign to stop that happening, seabirds and jet engines do not mix. Only a moron would support such a plan.[/p][/quote]Goign - vous parlez Francaise mieux![/p][/quote]Boris too much of a Brit for this chap ? LadyOr

4:32pm Thu 29 Nov 12

firedog says...

Boris.We allready have a city built round an airport,its called Gatwick.
Boris.We allready have a city built round an airport,its called Gatwick. firedog

4:53pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Brunning999 says...

We need the Chinese on the case, if yo have landed at the new Hong Kong airport you will know why.

Everything in comments aid on here has been overcome, it works it is efficient but I still don't like the idea.
We need the Chinese on the case, if yo have landed at the new Hong Kong airport you will know why. Everything in comments aid on here has been overcome, it works it is efficient but I still don't like the idea. Brunning999

6:18pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Nebs says...

Joe Wildman wrote:
This plans proves just what a hypocritical moron this waste of space buffon is.

He moans about aircraft disturbing the people who voted him in, but is happy for the people of South Essex, North Kent and now 20,000 jouseholds on his island to be forced to live with it.

Remember when he went out on a boat and a seamist rolled in, not goign to stop that happening, seabirds and jet engines do not mix.

Only a moron would support such a plan.
For someone whose main concern seems to be aircraft disturbing people, you seem to have a completely different opinion about those wishing to claim compensation from Southend Airport.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman[/bold] wrote: This plans proves just what a hypocritical moron this waste of space buffon is. He moans about aircraft disturbing the people who voted him in, but is happy for the people of South Essex, North Kent and now 20,000 jouseholds on his island to be forced to live with it. Remember when he went out on a boat and a seamist rolled in, not goign to stop that happening, seabirds and jet engines do not mix. Only a moron would support such a plan.[/p][/quote]For someone whose main concern seems to be aircraft disturbing people, you seem to have a completely different opinion about those wishing to claim compensation from Southend Airport. Nebs

7:11pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Joe Wildman says...

When did Bonkers Boris take over the Thames Estuary, have they moved the borders of London out to inclued in his remit?

I don't give a fig about aircraft noise its this "man" who thinks he can dictate what happens out our way, he moans about aircraft flying over London but then wants to build a mini city right on top of an airport.

Dont you see that as double standards, he wants too appease his voters whilst pooing on Essex & Kent.

Only stupids will support this.
When did Bonkers Boris take over the Thames Estuary, have they moved the borders of London out to inclued in his remit? I don't give a fig about aircraft noise its this "man" who thinks he can dictate what happens out our way, he moans about aircraft flying over London but then wants to build a mini city right on top of an airport. Dont you see that as double standards, he wants too appease his voters whilst pooing on Essex & Kent. Only stupids will support this. Joe Wildman

8:08pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Nebs says...

Joe Wildman wrote:
When did Bonkers Boris take over the Thames Estuary, have they moved the borders of London out to inclued in his remit?

I don't give a fig about aircraft noise its this "man" who thinks he can dictate what happens out our way, he moans about aircraft flying over London but then wants to build a mini city right on top of an airport.

Dont you see that as double standards, he wants too appease his voters whilst pooing on Essex & Kent.

Only stupids will support this.
Of course you give a fig about aircraft noise. Otherwise why would you have said...
He moans about aircraft disturbing the people who voted him in, but is happy for the people of South Essex, North Kent and now 20,000 households on his island to be forced to live with it.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman[/bold] wrote: When did Bonkers Boris take over the Thames Estuary, have they moved the borders of London out to inclued in his remit? I don't give a fig about aircraft noise its this "man" who thinks he can dictate what happens out our way, he moans about aircraft flying over London but then wants to build a mini city right on top of an airport. Dont you see that as double standards, he wants too appease his voters whilst pooing on Essex & Kent. Only stupids will support this.[/p][/quote]Of course you give a fig about aircraft noise. Otherwise why would you have said... He moans about aircraft disturbing the people who voted him in, but is happy for the people of South Essex, North Kent and now 20,000 households on his island to be forced to live with it. Nebs

11:46pm Thu 29 Nov 12

pjlm says...

Not seen any drawings on the effect to the Thames, but:
- What happens to the new container port
- How do connections from here fit in with new Crossrail development.
- Has this been carefully thought out as a venture this magnitude needs to be at the heart of a major plan and infrastructure for this area into London.
Not seen any drawings on the effect to the Thames, but: - What happens to the new container port - How do connections from here fit in with new Crossrail development. - Has this been carefully thought out as a venture this magnitude needs to be at the heart of a major plan and infrastructure for this area into London. pjlm

9:31am Fri 30 Nov 12

r6keith says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
exBillericayDicky wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: The loon needs locking up.
Why? because he dares to think outside the norm?
Because he clearly thinks being Mayor of London equates to being Mayor of the entire country. He has no jurisdiction over Essex and Kent, and has no right to inflict his idiotic fantasies on the people who live here.
Then who does have that right or authority to present plans to build an airport in the middle of the river? Could it be the port of London authority if built London side of the crowstone ?
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]exBillericayDicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The loon needs locking up.[/p][/quote]Why? because he dares to think outside the norm?[/p][/quote]Because he clearly thinks being Mayor of London equates to being Mayor of the entire country. He has no jurisdiction over Essex and Kent, and has no right to inflict his idiotic fantasies on the people who live here.[/p][/quote]Then who does have that right or authority to present plans to build an airport in the middle of the river? Could it be the port of London authority if built London side of the crowstone ? r6keith

9:40am Fri 30 Nov 12

r6keith says...

LadyOr wrote:
Nebs wrote: Great idea Boris. About time we had some serious investment in the South East.
We need to build around these new investments and an airport would be a great start. Essex and Kent would be linked by a bridge that we so badly need I agree about QE bridge...
We are already linked to Kent by bridges and on the odd drawings I have seen of this hair brained scheme it did not include an extra crossing from Essex to Kent, The last thing you need near an airport is big bridges ! the plans I have seen the road in and out ran down the river from the London side.
[quote][p][bold]LadyOr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: Great idea Boris. About time we had some serious investment in the South East.[/p][/quote]We need to build around these new investments and an airport would be a great start. Essex and Kent would be linked by a bridge that we so badly need I agree about QE bridge...[/p][/quote]We are already linked to Kent by bridges and on the odd drawings I have seen of this hair brained scheme it did not include an extra crossing from Essex to Kent, The last thing you need near an airport is big bridges ! the plans I have seen the road in and out ran down the river from the London side. r6keith

10:15am Fri 30 Nov 12

Eric Whim says...

they're going to widen the pier and use it as a runway
they're going to widen the pier and use it as a runway Eric Whim

11:06am Fri 30 Nov 12

AndiFreeman says...

Boris has already come out and said he would add a runway to Stansted as a stopgap while while the island was built, but Stansted is only running at 50pc capacity anyway so why build more. In fact the airlines have already said they aren't interested in anywhere other than Heathrow as its more central to their marketplace and the fact that it's saturated while Stansted is at 50pc is evidence of this. Also the air travel marketplace is trending towards newer,quiter aircraft running the short haul routes from regional airports and long haul from a few major hubs - like Heathrow. Boris is posturing and getting easy publicity but the most likely scenario is a 'tough decision' that results in extra runways at Heathrow. Andyh has a point about the Dutch as the Thames2100 report is clear that we will get an outer barrier at some point but their estimate is 2070 so we are going to need faster sea level rises than we are getting now tobring that date forward and that isn't actually happening (yet!)
Boris has already come out and said he would add a runway to Stansted as a stopgap while while the island was built, but Stansted is only running at 50pc capacity anyway so why build more. In fact the airlines have already said they aren't interested in anywhere other than Heathrow as its more central to their marketplace and the fact that it's saturated while Stansted is at 50pc is evidence of this. Also the air travel marketplace is trending towards newer,quiter aircraft running the short haul routes from regional airports and long haul from a few major hubs - like Heathrow. Boris is posturing and getting easy publicity but the most likely scenario is a 'tough decision' that results in extra runways at Heathrow. Andyh has a point about the Dutch as the Thames2100 report is clear that we will get an outer barrier at some point but their estimate is 2070 so we are going to need faster sea level rises than we are getting now tobring that date forward and that isn't actually happening (yet!) AndiFreeman

2:14pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Olivia2847 says...

Joe Wildman wrote:
When did Bonkers Boris take over the Thames Estuary, have they moved the borders of London out to inclued in his remit?

I don't give a fig about aircraft noise its this "man" who thinks he can dictate what happens out our way, he moans about aircraft flying over London but then wants to build a mini city right on top of an airport.

Dont you see that as double standards, he wants too appease his voters whilst pooing on Essex & Kent.

Only stupids will support this.
Sir - what ideas do Southend Council have? None! Because they are so inept that that can only see as far as the plate of biscuits at the Civic Centre. A cliff slip that was in place for years and now God forbid will not cause any more damage in all this foul weather. Lost opportunities going all the way back to the sixties and the Brent Walker plans for a marina that went to Brighton and all the pie in the sky so called plans they had since. Uproar that a local asset has taken off literally and son on. SBC will just stand by and make no comment and do not - rock on Boris! Dont even start on our local MP's - bungle and zippy!
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman[/bold] wrote: When did Bonkers Boris take over the Thames Estuary, have they moved the borders of London out to inclued in his remit? I don't give a fig about aircraft noise its this "man" who thinks he can dictate what happens out our way, he moans about aircraft flying over London but then wants to build a mini city right on top of an airport. Dont you see that as double standards, he wants too appease his voters whilst pooing on Essex & Kent. Only stupids will support this.[/p][/quote]Sir - what ideas do Southend Council have? None! Because they are so inept that that can only see as far as the plate of biscuits at the Civic Centre. A cliff slip that was in place for years and now God forbid will not cause any more damage in all this foul weather. Lost opportunities going all the way back to the sixties and the Brent Walker plans for a marina that went to Brighton and all the pie in the sky so called plans they had since. Uproar that a local asset has taken off literally and son on. SBC will just stand by and make no comment and do not - rock on Boris! Dont even start on our local MP's - bungle and zippy! Olivia2847

2:44pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Louisajo says...

The noise and dirt that covers a wide area around Heathrow from the planes overhead is beyond belief! My family were desperate to move from it.
Boris knows he will get huge support from people who live over that way as they just can't take any more.
The glass houses at Kew gardens are constantly having to be cleaned because of aviation dirt. Every thirty seconds around lovely Windsor a plane roars overhead. Those of you in support - be very careful what you wish for!
South East Essex is becoming more over crowded and uglier by the minute. Look at what happened to Slough and the surrounds of Heathrow - and at least that's not squashed onto a little wedge of land with limited access.
Essex is a beautiful county with a poor and undeserved reputation.it has good schools, good people, it's actually relatively unspoilt in the most part, it has a great coast line, it's a very important food producing region.
Don't let Boris steam roller into Essex and dump on Essex what no one else in the South East wants on their door step.
We Essex girls and boys matter and care about our environment and future just as much as those who live on the west side of London. Who wants employment and to live in a blighted area of concrete and noise - not many at all - and that's why Boris wants the airport well away from his constituents!
The noise and dirt that covers a wide area around Heathrow from the planes overhead is beyond belief! My family were desperate to move from it. Boris knows he will get huge support from people who live over that way as they just can't take any more. The glass houses at Kew gardens are constantly having to be cleaned because of aviation dirt. Every thirty seconds around lovely Windsor a plane roars overhead. Those of you in support - be very careful what you wish for! South East Essex is becoming more over crowded and uglier by the minute. Look at what happened to Slough and the surrounds of Heathrow - and at least that's not squashed onto a little wedge of land with limited access. Essex is a beautiful county with a poor and undeserved reputation.it has good schools, good people, it's actually relatively unspoilt in the most part, it has a great coast line, it's a very important food producing region. Don't let Boris steam roller into Essex and dump on Essex what no one else in the South East wants on their door step. We Essex girls and boys matter and care about our environment and future just as much as those who live on the west side of London. Who wants employment and to live in a blighted area of concrete and noise - not many at all - and that's why Boris wants the airport well away from his constituents! Louisajo

3:21pm Fri 30 Nov 12

perini says...

r6keith wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
exBillericayDicky wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: The loon needs locking up.
Why? because he dares to think outside the norm?
Because he clearly thinks being Mayor of London equates to being Mayor of the entire country. He has no jurisdiction over Essex and Kent, and has no right to inflict his idiotic fantasies on the people who live here.
Then who does have that right or authority to present plans to build an airport in the middle of the river? Could it be the port of London authority if built London side of the crowstone ?
FYI - PLA responsibility has moved to much further East from the Crowstone!!
[quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]exBillericayDicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The loon needs locking up.[/p][/quote]Why? because he dares to think outside the norm?[/p][/quote]Because he clearly thinks being Mayor of London equates to being Mayor of the entire country. He has no jurisdiction over Essex and Kent, and has no right to inflict his idiotic fantasies on the people who live here.[/p][/quote]Then who does have that right or authority to present plans to build an airport in the middle of the river? Could it be the port of London authority if built London side of the crowstone ?[/p][/quote]FYI - PLA responsibility has moved to much further East from the Crowstone!! perini

2:18pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Olivia2847 says...

perini wrote:
r6keith wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
exBillericayDicky wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: The loon needs locking up.
Why? because he dares to think outside the norm?
Because he clearly thinks being Mayor of London equates to being Mayor of the entire country. He has no jurisdiction over Essex and Kent, and has no right to inflict his idiotic fantasies on the people who live here.
Then who does have that right or authority to present plans to build an airport in the middle of the river? Could it be the port of London authority if built London side of the crowstone ?
FYI - PLA responsibility has moved to much further East from the Crowstone!!
To where pray? Sir ......
[quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]exBillericayDicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The loon needs locking up.[/p][/quote]Why? because he dares to think outside the norm?[/p][/quote]Because he clearly thinks being Mayor of London equates to being Mayor of the entire country. He has no jurisdiction over Essex and Kent, and has no right to inflict his idiotic fantasies on the people who live here.[/p][/quote]Then who does have that right or authority to present plans to build an airport in the middle of the river? Could it be the port of London authority if built London side of the crowstone ?[/p][/quote]FYI - PLA responsibility has moved to much further East from the Crowstone!![/p][/quote]To where pray? Sir ...... Olivia2847

7:40pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Joe Wildman says...

WooHoo my phone works in Austria.

Just thought I would share that with all of you.

Now off the the bar

Night night.
WooHoo my phone works in Austria. Just thought I would share that with all of you. Now off the the bar Night night. Joe Wildman

9:34pm Sun 2 Dec 12

jayman says...

liseinga wrote:
Making plans for our area, what a cheek. He is NOT mayor of Southend, thankfully, so should not make plans for this area. OUT OF ORDER.
Bring it on!! more jobs more investment. I cant wait, BRING IT ON!!!!!!!........ oh. did i say 'bring it on'........yep!.....
...oh good...... what else?.... oh yes.... no stopping it now!!! ect ect
[quote][p][bold]liseinga[/bold] wrote: Making plans for our area, what a cheek. He is NOT mayor of Southend, thankfully, so should not make plans for this area. OUT OF ORDER.[/p][/quote]Bring it on!! more jobs more investment. I cant wait, BRING IT ON!!!!!!!........ oh. did i say 'bring it on'........yep!..... ...oh good...... what else?.... oh yes.... no stopping it now!!! ect ect jayman

4:21pm Mon 3 Dec 12

rhowes says...

This idea is beneath comment!!!
This idea is beneath comment!!! rhowes

5:32pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Olivia2847 says...

rhowes wrote:
This idea is beneath comment!!!
Don't you mean beneath cement?
[quote][p][bold]rhowes[/bold] wrote: This idea is beneath comment!!![/p][/quote]Don't you mean beneath cement? Olivia2847

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