Southend councillor resigns

Echo: Westborough Ward councillor Dr Marimuthu Velmurugan Westborough Ward councillor Dr Marimuthu Velmurugan

AN OUTSPOKEN councillor has resigned from his group.

Southend councillor Dr Marimuthu Velmurugan, who represents Westborough Ward, resigned from the independent group on Saturday.

The Echo understands the GP resigned in an emotional email to the leaders of each party and the chief executive after being invited to join the South Essex Homes Task and Finish Working Party or the Youth Working Party.

He will sit on his own at council meetings from Tuesday.

Dr Velmurugan could not be reached for comment.

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5:43pm Sun 16 Dec 12

Max Impact says...

Independent but in a group... I always thought if you were independent you were on your own, solo, singular and not aligned to any group.
Independent but in a group... I always thought if you were independent you were on your own, solo, singular and not aligned to any group. Max Impact

5:52pm Sun 16 Dec 12

J-Monroe says...

Original story here:
http://agirlcalledja
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JM.
Original story here: http://agirlcalledja ck.com/2012/12/16/dr -vel-leaves-the-inde pendents/ JM. J-Monroe

5:57pm Sun 16 Dec 12

J-Monroe says...

All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it!

Original story here:
http://agirlcalledja
ck.com/2012/12/16/dr
-vel-leaves-the-inde
pendents/
All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it! Original story here: http://agirlcalledja ck.com/2012/12/16/dr -vel-leaves-the-inde pendents/ J-Monroe

6:10pm Sun 16 Dec 12

emcee says...

Anyone reading the headline would think that a councillor has resigned as a councillor, not just from some "lets all stick together" group.
Most misleading headline of the week.
Anyone reading the headline would think that a councillor has resigned as a councillor, not just from some "lets all stick together" group. Most misleading headline of the week. emcee

6:55pm Sun 16 Dec 12

fletch12107 says...

He was sitting on a group that is deciding the future of Priory House and Delaware House. Is this a case of rats leaving a sinking ship???
He was sitting on a group that is deciding the future of Priory House and Delaware House. Is this a case of rats leaving a sinking ship??? fletch12107

7:31pm Sun 16 Dec 12

jayman says...

i would like to think that he was so morally 'at odds' with all the off the books activity at the council that his sense of duty to his constituents would no longer allow him to be part of any political group and decided to act in the sole interests of the very people that voted for him, and not for the vested interests of despicable personalities that wipe there feet on the way out of the civic chambers.

but the best part of me knows that most politicians throw a strop when they themselves are shut out from a slice of the action..
i would like to think that he was so morally 'at odds' with all the off the books activity at the council that his sense of duty to his constituents would no longer allow him to be part of any political group and decided to act in the sole interests of the very people that voted for him, and not for the vested interests of despicable personalities that wipe there feet on the way out of the civic chambers. but the best part of me knows that most politicians throw a strop when they themselves are shut out from a slice of the action.. jayman

7:49pm Sun 16 Dec 12

jolllyboy says...

Does that mean he is joining the Youth Working Party or South Essex Homes.
I thought Mark Flewitt was on South Essex Homes..and what is the Youth Working Party? i look forward to the complete story.
Does that mean he is joining the Youth Working Party or South Essex Homes. I thought Mark Flewitt was on South Essex Homes..and what is the Youth Working Party? i look forward to the complete story. jolllyboy

9:29pm Sun 16 Dec 12

jayman says...

J-Monroe wrote:
All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it!

Original story here:
http://agirlcalledja

ck.com/2012/12/16/dr

-vel-leaves-the-inde

pendents/
don't worry J-monroe

if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'.

I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo.

i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.
[quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it! Original story here: http://agirlcalledja ck.com/2012/12/16/dr -vel-leaves-the-inde pendents/[/p][/quote]don't worry J-monroe if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'. I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo. i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well. jayman

9:39pm Sun 16 Dec 12

jayman says...

jayman wrote:
J-Monroe wrote:
All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it!

Original story here:
http://agirlcalledja


ck.com/2012/12/16/dr


-vel-leaves-the-inde


pendents/
don't worry J-monroe

if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'.

I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo.

i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.
I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'.

the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it! Original story here: http://agirlcalledja ck.com/2012/12/16/dr -vel-leaves-the-inde pendents/[/p][/quote]don't worry J-monroe if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'. I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo. i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.[/p][/quote]I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'. the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL. jayman

9:41pm Sun 16 Dec 12

asbo industries inc says...

jayman wrote:
jayman wrote:
J-Monroe wrote:
All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it!

Original story here:
http://agirlcalledja



ck.com/2012/12/16/dr



-vel-leaves-the-inde



pendents/
don't worry J-monroe

if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'.

I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo.

i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.
I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'.

the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL.
remove the mccoy from your clavicle
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it! Original story here: http://agirlcalledja ck.com/2012/12/16/dr -vel-leaves-the-inde pendents/[/p][/quote]don't worry J-monroe if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'. I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo. i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.[/p][/quote]I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'. the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL.[/p][/quote]remove the mccoy from your clavicle asbo industries inc

9:56pm Sun 16 Dec 12

jayman says...

asbo industries inc wrote:
jayman wrote:
jayman wrote:
J-Monroe wrote:
All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it!

Original story here:
http://agirlcalledja




ck.com/2012/12/16/dr




-vel-leaves-the-inde




pendents/
don't worry J-monroe

if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'.

I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo.

i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.
I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'.

the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL.
remove the mccoy from your clavicle
only if you remove the rigid, bristled cleaning device handle from your jejunum. lol
[quote][p][bold]asbo industries inc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it! Original story here: http://agirlcalledja ck.com/2012/12/16/dr -vel-leaves-the-inde pendents/[/p][/quote]don't worry J-monroe if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'. I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo. i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.[/p][/quote]I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'. the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL.[/p][/quote]remove the mccoy from your clavicle[/p][/quote]only if you remove the rigid, bristled cleaning device handle from your jejunum. lol jayman

10:07pm Sun 16 Dec 12

asbo industries inc says...

jayman wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:
jayman wrote:
jayman wrote:
J-Monroe wrote:
All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it!

Original story here:
http://agirlcalledja





ck.com/2012/12/16/dr





-vel-leaves-the-inde





pendents/
don't worry J-monroe

if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'.

I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo.

i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.
I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'.

the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL.
remove the mccoy from your clavicle
only if you remove the rigid, bristled cleaning device handle from your jejunum. lol
make sure sure you moobs are lactating ferociously for those suckling addicks
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo industries inc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it! Original story here: http://agirlcalledja ck.com/2012/12/16/dr -vel-leaves-the-inde pendents/[/p][/quote]don't worry J-monroe if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'. I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo. i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.[/p][/quote]I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'. the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL.[/p][/quote]remove the mccoy from your clavicle[/p][/quote]only if you remove the rigid, bristled cleaning device handle from your jejunum. lol[/p][/quote]make sure sure you moobs are lactating ferociously for those suckling addicks asbo industries inc

10:13pm Sun 16 Dec 12

J-Monroe says...

^lost track among the body parts somewhere... Anyway, minor sulk on my part, but agree with the sentiments re 'independent' and 'group'... Dr Vel is a fickle character at the best of times. Remember him in a Labour rosette? Then flouncing out... Popping up as an Independent... Voting Holdcroft in the leadership election... The political equivalent of the kid that supported whatever football team was top of the Premier League that week. I have no doubt that if Dr Vel didn't have a GP surgery and bottomless pots of cash to spend on self-congratulatory full page ads in the Yellow Advertiser, he wouldn't be a Councillor anyway. What does he actually DO? Most people get their face in the paper by doing something, or at least saying something; not paying for adverts to remind people who they are!
^lost track among the body parts somewhere... Anyway, minor sulk on my part, but agree with the sentiments re 'independent' and 'group'... Dr Vel is a fickle character at the best of times. Remember him in a Labour rosette? Then flouncing out... Popping up as an Independent... Voting Holdcroft in the leadership election... The political equivalent of the kid that supported whatever football team was top of the Premier League that week. I have no doubt that if Dr Vel didn't have a GP surgery and bottomless pots of cash to spend on self-congratulatory full page ads in the Yellow Advertiser, he wouldn't be a Councillor anyway. What does he actually DO? Most people get their face in the paper by doing something, or at least saying something; not paying for adverts to remind people who they are! J-Monroe

10:23pm Sun 16 Dec 12

jayman says...

asbo industries inc wrote:
jayman wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:
jayman wrote:
jayman wrote:
J-Monroe wrote:
All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it!

Original story here:
http://agirlcalledja






ck.com/2012/12/16/dr






-vel-leaves-the-inde






pendents/
don't worry J-monroe

if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'.

I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo.

i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.
I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'.

the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL.
remove the mccoy from your clavicle
only if you remove the rigid, bristled cleaning device handle from your jejunum. lol
make sure sure you moobs are lactating ferociously for those suckling addicks
okay, I have to admit, I have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't have moobs and even if i did they would be quite unable to produce any form of milk. If under some freakish way they could produce milk I doubt there would be enough to sustain anyone with a dependence on illicit substances.

please clarify, lol
[quote][p][bold]asbo industries inc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo industries inc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it! Original story here: http://agirlcalledja ck.com/2012/12/16/dr -vel-leaves-the-inde pendents/[/p][/quote]don't worry J-monroe if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'. I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo. i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.[/p][/quote]I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'. the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL.[/p][/quote]remove the mccoy from your clavicle[/p][/quote]only if you remove the rigid, bristled cleaning device handle from your jejunum. lol[/p][/quote]make sure sure you moobs are lactating ferociously for those suckling addicks[/p][/quote]okay, I have to admit, I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't have moobs and even if i did they would be quite unable to produce any form of milk. If under some freakish way they could produce milk I doubt there would be enough to sustain anyone with a dependence on illicit substances. please clarify, lol jayman

10:29pm Sun 16 Dec 12

asbo industries inc says...

jayman wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:
jayman wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:
jayman wrote:
jayman wrote:
J-Monroe wrote:
All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it!

Original story here:
http://agirlcalledja







ck.com/2012/12/16/dr







-vel-leaves-the-inde







pendents/
don't worry J-monroe

if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'.

I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo.

i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.
I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'.

the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL.
remove the mccoy from your clavicle
only if you remove the rigid, bristled cleaning device handle from your jejunum. lol
make sure sure you moobs are lactating ferociously for those suckling addicks
okay, I have to admit, I have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't have moobs and even if i did they would be quite unable to produce any form of milk. If under some freakish way they could produce milk I doubt there would be enough to sustain anyone with a dependence on illicit substances.

please clarify, lol
my apologies that should have been your moobs and not you moobs
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo industries inc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo industries inc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it! Original story here: http://agirlcalledja ck.com/2012/12/16/dr -vel-leaves-the-inde pendents/[/p][/quote]don't worry J-monroe if the echo are not coping and pasting your releases then they are copying and pasting Tory press releases and presenting it as 'news'. I see this as a step (a small step) in the right direction for the echo. i have read things on toilet walls that are more newsworthy then what the echo print. Then things wrote on public toilet walls are probably better sourced and researched as well.[/p][/quote]I am of course referring to the echo's standard of political journalism and no other aspect in the way the echo handles other stories that do not relate to securing the Tories another four year mandate for 'doing there own thing'. the tramp sat next to me who says he used to be in law is happy now, LOL.[/p][/quote]remove the mccoy from your clavicle[/p][/quote]only if you remove the rigid, bristled cleaning device handle from your jejunum. lol[/p][/quote]make sure sure you moobs are lactating ferociously for those suckling addicks[/p][/quote]okay, I have to admit, I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't have moobs and even if i did they would be quite unable to produce any form of milk. If under some freakish way they could produce milk I doubt there would be enough to sustain anyone with a dependence on illicit substances. please clarify, lol[/p][/quote]my apologies that should have been your moobs and not you moobs asbo industries inc

10:34pm Sun 16 Dec 12

jayman says...

J-Monroe wrote:
^lost track among the body parts somewhere... Anyway, minor sulk on my part, but agree with the sentiments re 'independent' and 'group'... Dr Vel is a fickle character at the best of times. Remember him in a Labour rosette? Then flouncing out... Popping up as an Independent... Voting Holdcroft in the leadership election... The political equivalent of the kid that supported whatever football team was top of the Premier League that week. I have no doubt that if Dr Vel didn't have a GP surgery and bottomless pots of cash to spend on self-congratulatory full page ads in the Yellow Advertiser, he wouldn't be a Councillor anyway. What does he actually DO? Most people get their face in the paper by doing something, or at least saying something; not paying for adverts to remind people who they are!
i have read your blog and I find it very interesting.

here is something you may already know, but just in case.

James Duddridge wrote on Anna waite's twitter feed

"I have a spring in my step having just voted to repeal the human rights act."

https://twitter.com/
SouthendTory

this man is slime of the highest order.
[quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: ^lost track among the body parts somewhere... Anyway, minor sulk on my part, but agree with the sentiments re 'independent' and 'group'... Dr Vel is a fickle character at the best of times. Remember him in a Labour rosette? Then flouncing out... Popping up as an Independent... Voting Holdcroft in the leadership election... The political equivalent of the kid that supported whatever football team was top of the Premier League that week. I have no doubt that if Dr Vel didn't have a GP surgery and bottomless pots of cash to spend on self-congratulatory full page ads in the Yellow Advertiser, he wouldn't be a Councillor anyway. What does he actually DO? Most people get their face in the paper by doing something, or at least saying something; not paying for adverts to remind people who they are![/p][/quote]i have read your blog and I find it very interesting. here is something you may already know, but just in case. James Duddridge wrote on Anna waite's twitter feed "I have a spring in my step having just voted to repeal the human rights act." https://twitter.com/ SouthendTory this man is slime of the highest order. jayman

11:18pm Sun 16 Dec 12

J-Monroe says...

jayman wrote:
J-Monroe wrote:
^lost track among the body parts somewhere... Anyway, minor sulk on my part, but agree with the sentiments re 'independent' and 'group'... Dr Vel is a fickle character at the best of times. Remember him in a Labour rosette? Then flouncing out... Popping up as an Independent... Voting Holdcroft in the leadership election... The political equivalent of the kid that supported whatever football team was top of the Premier League that week. I have no doubt that if Dr Vel didn't have a GP surgery and bottomless pots of cash to spend on self-congratulatory full page ads in the Yellow Advertiser, he wouldn't be a Councillor anyway. What does he actually DO? Most people get their face in the paper by doing something, or at least saying something; not paying for adverts to remind people who they are!
i have read your blog and I find it very interesting.

here is something you may already know, but just in case.

James Duddridge wrote on Anna waite's twitter feed

"I have a spring in my step having just voted to repeal the human rights act."

https://twitter.com/

SouthendTory

this man is slime of the highest order.
Yeah, saw that. I'll remember those words when I've got no bloody human rights!! My blog has been going for about 9 months now, started when one Anna Waite made the front page of the Echo with the 'Druggies Drunks and Single Mums Are Ruining The Town' comment. Cue one angry bird response, been responding since, local politics from a young single mummy point of view...
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: ^lost track among the body parts somewhere... Anyway, minor sulk on my part, but agree with the sentiments re 'independent' and 'group'... Dr Vel is a fickle character at the best of times. Remember him in a Labour rosette? Then flouncing out... Popping up as an Independent... Voting Holdcroft in the leadership election... The political equivalent of the kid that supported whatever football team was top of the Premier League that week. I have no doubt that if Dr Vel didn't have a GP surgery and bottomless pots of cash to spend on self-congratulatory full page ads in the Yellow Advertiser, he wouldn't be a Councillor anyway. What does he actually DO? Most people get their face in the paper by doing something, or at least saying something; not paying for adverts to remind people who they are![/p][/quote]i have read your blog and I find it very interesting. here is something you may already know, but just in case. James Duddridge wrote on Anna waite's twitter feed "I have a spring in my step having just voted to repeal the human rights act." https://twitter.com/ SouthendTory this man is slime of the highest order.[/p][/quote]Yeah, saw that. I'll remember those words when I've got no bloody human rights!! My blog has been going for about 9 months now, started when one Anna Waite made the front page of the Echo with the 'Druggies Drunks and Single Mums Are Ruining The Town' comment. Cue one angry bird response, been responding since, local politics from a young single mummy point of view... J-Monroe

11:27pm Sun 16 Dec 12

asbo industries inc says...

jayman wrote:
J-Monroe wrote:
^lost track among the body parts somewhere... Anyway, minor sulk on my part, but agree with the sentiments re 'independent' and 'group'... Dr Vel is a fickle character at the best of times. Remember him in a Labour rosette? Then flouncing out... Popping up as an Independent... Voting Holdcroft in the leadership election... The political equivalent of the kid that supported whatever football team was top of the Premier League that week. I have no doubt that if Dr Vel didn't have a GP surgery and bottomless pots of cash to spend on self-congratulatory full page ads in the Yellow Advertiser, he wouldn't be a Councillor anyway. What does he actually DO? Most people get their face in the paper by doing something, or at least saying something; not paying for adverts to remind people who they are!
i have read your blog and I find it very interesting.

here is something you may already know, but just in case.

James Duddridge wrote on Anna waite's twitter feed

"I have a spring in my step having just voted to repeal the human rights act."

https://twitter.com/

SouthendTory

this man is slime of the highest order.
just got a pulex in the cochlea...aren't you supposed to be impartial in the poncing sector?
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: ^lost track among the body parts somewhere... Anyway, minor sulk on my part, but agree with the sentiments re 'independent' and 'group'... Dr Vel is a fickle character at the best of times. Remember him in a Labour rosette? Then flouncing out... Popping up as an Independent... Voting Holdcroft in the leadership election... The political equivalent of the kid that supported whatever football team was top of the Premier League that week. I have no doubt that if Dr Vel didn't have a GP surgery and bottomless pots of cash to spend on self-congratulatory full page ads in the Yellow Advertiser, he wouldn't be a Councillor anyway. What does he actually DO? Most people get their face in the paper by doing something, or at least saying something; not paying for adverts to remind people who they are![/p][/quote]i have read your blog and I find it very interesting. here is something you may already know, but just in case. James Duddridge wrote on Anna waite's twitter feed "I have a spring in my step having just voted to repeal the human rights act." https://twitter.com/ SouthendTory this man is slime of the highest order.[/p][/quote]just got a pulex in the cochlea...aren't you supposed to be impartial in the poncing sector? asbo industries inc

11:44pm Sun 16 Dec 12

J-Monroe says...

Me or Dudders? I'm not impartial, I'm Angry Bird. Dudders isn't impartial, he's a Tory!
Me or Dudders? I'm not impartial, I'm Angry Bird. Dudders isn't impartial, he's a Tory! J-Monroe

11:45pm Sun 16 Dec 12

jayman says...

asbo industries inc wrote:
jayman wrote:
J-Monroe wrote:
^lost track among the body parts somewhere... Anyway, minor sulk on my part, but agree with the sentiments re 'independent' and 'group'... Dr Vel is a fickle character at the best of times. Remember him in a Labour rosette? Then flouncing out... Popping up as an Independent... Voting Holdcroft in the leadership election... The political equivalent of the kid that supported whatever football team was top of the Premier League that week. I have no doubt that if Dr Vel didn't have a GP surgery and bottomless pots of cash to spend on self-congratulatory full page ads in the Yellow Advertiser, he wouldn't be a Councillor anyway. What does he actually DO? Most people get their face in the paper by doing something, or at least saying something; not paying for adverts to remind people who they are!
i have read your blog and I find it very interesting.

here is something you may already know, but just in case.

James Duddridge wrote on Anna waite's twitter feed

"I have a spring in my step having just voted to repeal the human rights act."

https://twitter.com/


SouthendTory

this man is slime of the highest order.
just got a pulex in the cochlea...aren't you supposed to be impartial in the poncing sector?
sorry about the pain.. i hope it eases soon.

the Tories spit blood when the think and talk about the HRA. The HRA is abused. This is well reported in the press. However, it is a very good act that protects people from those little inconveniences such as torture by the state. it protects fare legal process and in recognises the structure of the family and family life (to name but a few) im sure these are all things that the 'Tories would want to do away with' Im sure repealing this act would put a spring in any Tories step.
[quote][p][bold]asbo industries inc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: ^lost track among the body parts somewhere... Anyway, minor sulk on my part, but agree with the sentiments re 'independent' and 'group'... Dr Vel is a fickle character at the best of times. Remember him in a Labour rosette? Then flouncing out... Popping up as an Independent... Voting Holdcroft in the leadership election... The political equivalent of the kid that supported whatever football team was top of the Premier League that week. I have no doubt that if Dr Vel didn't have a GP surgery and bottomless pots of cash to spend on self-congratulatory full page ads in the Yellow Advertiser, he wouldn't be a Councillor anyway. What does he actually DO? Most people get their face in the paper by doing something, or at least saying something; not paying for adverts to remind people who they are![/p][/quote]i have read your blog and I find it very interesting. here is something you may already know, but just in case. James Duddridge wrote on Anna waite's twitter feed "I have a spring in my step having just voted to repeal the human rights act." https://twitter.com/ SouthendTory this man is slime of the highest order.[/p][/quote]just got a pulex in the cochlea...aren't you supposed to be impartial in the poncing sector?[/p][/quote]sorry about the pain.. i hope it eases soon. the Tories spit blood when the think and talk about the HRA. The HRA is abused. This is well reported in the press. However, it is a very good act that protects people from those little inconveniences such as torture by the state. it protects fare legal process and in recognises the structure of the family and family life (to name but a few) im sure these are all things that the 'Tories would want to do away with' Im sure repealing this act would put a spring in any Tories step. jayman

7:09am Mon 17 Dec 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

The only reason the tories are so desperate to kick the HRA into touch is it protects employees from unscrupulous employers. This from Richard Bacon MP who proposed scrapping the HRA in Britain:

“Judges do not have access to a tablet of stone not available to the rest of us that allow them better to discern what our people need than we can possibly do as their elected, fallible, corrigible representatives,” he told MPs.
“There is no set of values so universally agreed we can appeal to them as a useful final arbiter. In the end, they will always be shown up as either uselessly vague or controversially specific.
“In the end, questions of major social policy - whether on abortion, or capital punishment, or the right to bear firearms, or workers' rights - should be decided by elected representatives, and not by unelected judges.”


If the tories are allowed to scrap the HRA we'll be back to mills and workhouses pretty quickly.
The only reason the tories are so desperate to kick the HRA into touch is it protects employees from unscrupulous employers. This from Richard Bacon MP who proposed scrapping the HRA in Britain: “Judges do not have access to a tablet of stone not available to the rest of us that allow them better to discern what our people need than we can possibly do as their elected, fallible, corrigible representatives,” he told MPs. “There is no set of values so universally agreed we can appeal to them as a useful final arbiter. In the end, they will always be shown up as either uselessly vague or controversially specific. “In the end, questions of major social policy - whether on abortion, or capital punishment, or the right to bear firearms, or workers' rights - should be decided by elected representatives, and not by unelected judges.” If the tories are allowed to scrap the HRA we'll be back to mills and workhouses pretty quickly. Shoebury_Cyclist

8:04am Mon 17 Dec 12

Max Impact says...

The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.
The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law. Max Impact

8:20am Mon 17 Dec 12

asbo industries inc says...

i actually quite like the hra. i take a copy of it with me every time i visit the bathroom. soft, strong and very, very long....
i actually quite like the hra. i take a copy of it with me every time i visit the bathroom. soft, strong and very, very long.... asbo industries inc

8:29am Mon 17 Dec 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Max Impact wrote:
The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.
Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.[/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line? Shoebury_Cyclist

8:43am Mon 17 Dec 12

Nebs says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.
Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?
The people who have done best out of the HRA are the lawyers.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.[/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?[/p][/quote]The people who have done best out of the HRA are the lawyers. Nebs

8:56am Mon 17 Dec 12

asbo industries inc says...

Nebs wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.
Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?
The people who have done best out of the HRA are the lawyers.
written by lawyers for the benefit of lawyers. thanks toblerones love cherie
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.[/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?[/p][/quote]The people who have done best out of the HRA are the lawyers.[/p][/quote]written by lawyers for the benefit of lawyers. thanks toblerones love cherie asbo industries inc

9:02am Mon 17 Dec 12

Max Impact says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.
Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?
So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country.

Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked!

PS: I did not vote Tory,
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.[/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?[/p][/quote]So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country. Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked! PS: I did not vote Tory, Max Impact

9:13am Mon 17 Dec 12

asbo industries inc says...

Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.
Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?
So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country.

Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked!

PS: I did not vote Tory,
but, but.....it was the global financial crisis! gordon brown and the shoebury clown said so
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.[/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?[/p][/quote]So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country. Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked! PS: I did not vote Tory,[/p][/quote]but, but.....it was the global financial crisis! gordon brown and the shoebury clown said so asbo industries inc

9:43am Mon 17 Dec 12

fletch12107 says...

Can you knobs that come on here that keep digressing from the story others are commenting sensibly on please stay away.
Can you knobs that come on here that keep digressing from the story others are commenting sensibly on please stay away. fletch12107

10:04am Mon 17 Dec 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.
Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?
So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country.

Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked!

PS: I did not vote Tory,
I am stating that the tories are using a tiny minority of highly publicised examples to tear up human rights protection across the board. Human rights such as the right to a safe working environment, the right to redress at an employment tribunal, in fact nearly all employment rights that have been hard won over the last century or so.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.[/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?[/p][/quote]So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country. Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked! PS: I did not vote Tory,[/p][/quote]I am stating that the tories are using a tiny minority of highly publicised examples to tear up human rights protection across the board. Human rights such as the right to a safe working environment, the right to redress at an employment tribunal, in fact nearly all employment rights that have been hard won over the last century or so. Shoebury_Cyclist

11:03am Mon 17 Dec 12

Max Impact says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.
Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?
So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country.

Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked!

PS: I did not vote Tory,
I am stating that the tories are using a tiny minority of highly publicised examples to tear up human rights protection across the board. Human rights such as the right to a safe working environment, the right to redress at an employment tribunal, in fact nearly all employment rights that have been hard won over the last century or so.
It is the wrong doing minority that exploit the gaping holes in theHRA holes that Labour should have made sure were not there in the first place, rip it up and start again rule 1: if you are hurt committing a criminal act than your on your own and no law designed to protect or compensate you will apply.

Or do you think criminals should be given the same level of protection as those that have NEVER broken the law.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.[/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?[/p][/quote]So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country. Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked! PS: I did not vote Tory,[/p][/quote]I am stating that the tories are using a tiny minority of highly publicised examples to tear up human rights protection across the board. Human rights such as the right to a safe working environment, the right to redress at an employment tribunal, in fact nearly all employment rights that have been hard won over the last century or so.[/p][/quote]It is the wrong doing minority that exploit the gaping holes in theHRA holes that Labour should have made sure were not there in the first place, rip it up and start again rule 1: if you are hurt committing a criminal act than your on your own and no law designed to protect or compensate you will apply. Or do you think criminals should be given the same level of protection as those that have NEVER broken the law. Max Impact

11:16am Mon 17 Dec 12

rhowes says...

Dr. Vel will not be able to sit on any committees now he is a solitary Independent!
He will lose any influence, he may have had while part of a "group", but more time to be a GP.
Dr. Vel will not be able to sit on any committees now he is a solitary Independent! He will lose any influence, he may have had while part of a "group", but more time to be a GP. rhowes

11:32am Mon 17 Dec 12

Eric Whim says...

J-Monroe wrote:
All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it!

Original story here:
http://agirlcalledja

ck.com/2012/12/16/dr

-vel-leaves-the-inde

pendents/
at least by copying you they get the spelling right.

Like your blog btw
[quote][p][bold]J-Monroe[/bold] wrote: All's fair in love and journalism? I blog something, 2 hours later a journo sticks it up as 'breaking news'. Yeah dude, I broke it. Nice to know I'm at the forefront of local news, even if I don't always get the credit for it! Original story here: http://agirlcalledja ck.com/2012/12/16/dr -vel-leaves-the-inde pendents/[/p][/quote]at least by copying you they get the spelling right. Like your blog btw Eric Whim

11:44am Mon 17 Dec 12

Julian Ware-Lane says...

Cllr Dr Velmurugan abstained in May's leadership vote. He may be a fan of Nigel Holdcroft but he did not vote for him.
Cllr Dr Velmurugan abstained in May's leadership vote. He may be a fan of Nigel Holdcroft but he did not vote for him. Julian Ware-Lane

12:00pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.
Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?
So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country.

Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked!

PS: I did not vote Tory,
I am stating that the tories are using a tiny minority of highly publicised examples to tear up human rights protection across the board. Human rights such as the right to a safe working environment, the right to redress at an employment tribunal, in fact nearly all employment rights that have been hard won over the last century or so.
It is the wrong doing minority that exploit the gaping holes in theHRA holes that Labour should have made sure were not there in the first place, rip it up and start again rule 1: if you are hurt committing a criminal act than your on your own and no law designed to protect or compensate you will apply.

Or do you think criminals should be given the same level of protection as those that have NEVER broken the law.
That's a straw man and you know it. Do YOU agree with tory proposals to tear up the entire HRA, INCLUDING all employment protections?
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.[/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?[/p][/quote]So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country. Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked! PS: I did not vote Tory,[/p][/quote]I am stating that the tories are using a tiny minority of highly publicised examples to tear up human rights protection across the board. Human rights such as the right to a safe working environment, the right to redress at an employment tribunal, in fact nearly all employment rights that have been hard won over the last century or so.[/p][/quote]It is the wrong doing minority that exploit the gaping holes in theHRA holes that Labour should have made sure were not there in the first place, rip it up and start again rule 1: if you are hurt committing a criminal act than your on your own and no law designed to protect or compensate you will apply. Or do you think criminals should be given the same level of protection as those that have NEVER broken the law.[/p][/quote]That's a straw man and you know it. Do YOU agree with tory proposals to tear up the entire HRA, INCLUDING all employment protections? Shoebury_Cyclist

12:03pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Who am I kidding? Of course you'll agree with whatever crackpot policies the tories churn out. You have never disagreed with them yet.
Who am I kidding? Of course you'll agree with whatever crackpot policies the tories churn out. You have never disagreed with them yet. Shoebury_Cyclist

12:10pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Max Impact says...

Did I say don't protect workers? Don't remember saying that, but retirement in your 40's can play tricks on your mind, I only seem to recall mentioning criminals, so do you believe criminals such as rapists, kiddy fiddlers, murderers etc should be given the same level of protection as the victim's and those that have never broken the law?
Did I say don't protect workers? Don't remember saying that, but retirement in your 40's can play tricks on your mind, I only seem to recall mentioning criminals, so do you believe criminals such as rapists, kiddy fiddlers, murderers etc should be given the same level of protection as the victim's and those that have never broken the law? Max Impact

12:10pm Mon 17 Dec 12

asbo industries inc says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.
Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?
So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country.

Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked!

PS: I did not vote Tory,
I am stating that the tories are using a tiny minority of highly publicised examples to tear up human rights protection across the board. Human rights such as the right to a safe working environment, the right to redress at an employment tribunal, in fact nearly all employment rights that have been hard won over the last century or so.
It is the wrong doing minority that exploit the gaping holes in theHRA holes that Labour should have made sure were not there in the first place, rip it up and start again rule 1: if you are hurt committing a criminal act than your on your own and no law designed to protect or compensate you will apply.

Or do you think criminals should be given the same level of protection as those that have NEVER broken the law.
That's a straw man and you know it. Do YOU agree with tory proposals to tear up the entire HRA, INCLUDING all employment protections?
the ghost of jimmy knapp on the blog. employment protections can be re-written. once we leave europe (which will happen as soon as the referendum is set) the hra will be consigned to the dustbin of history anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: The HRA dose more to protect criminals and bogus asylum seekers than the law abiding man in the street. It was a dark dark day when it was enshrined in to UK law.[/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you stopped mindlessly spewing the tory party line?[/p][/quote]So are you stating as fact that no criminal or bogus asylum seeker has used the HRA as a way to either gain financially, get short jail term or stay in the country. Left-wing Labour Left us Donald Ducked! PS: I did not vote Tory,[/p][/quote]I am stating that the tories are using a tiny minority of highly publicised examples to tear up human rights protection across the board. Human rights such as the right to a safe working environment, the right to redress at an employment tribunal, in fact nearly all employment rights that have been hard won over the last century or so.[/p][/quote]It is the wrong doing minority that exploit the gaping holes in theHRA holes that Labour should have made sure were not there in the first place, rip it up and start again rule 1: if you are hurt committing a criminal act than your on your own and no law designed to protect or compensate you will apply. Or do you think criminals should be given the same level of protection as those that have NEVER broken the law.[/p][/quote]That's a straw man and you know it. Do YOU agree with tory proposals to tear up the entire HRA, INCLUDING all employment protections?[/p][/quote]the ghost of jimmy knapp on the blog. employment protections can be re-written. once we leave europe (which will happen as soon as the referendum is set) the hra will be consigned to the dustbin of history anyway. asbo industries inc

12:29pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Max Impact wrote:
Did I say don't protect workers? Don't remember saying that, but retirement in your 40's can play tricks on your mind, I only seem to recall mentioning criminals, so do you believe criminals such as rapists, kiddy fiddlers, murderers etc should be given the same level of protection as the victim's and those that have never broken the law?
In other words you're saying everyone should lose their protections because of a tiny minority of abuses. That includes employment rights. Very tory of you.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Did I say don't protect workers? Don't remember saying that, but retirement in your 40's can play tricks on your mind, I only seem to recall mentioning criminals, so do you believe criminals such as rapists, kiddy fiddlers, murderers etc should be given the same level of protection as the victim's and those that have never broken the law?[/p][/quote]In other words you're saying everyone should lose their protections because of a tiny minority of abuses. That includes employment rights. Very tory of you. Shoebury_Cyclist

1:54pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Max Impact says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Did I say don't protect workers? Don't remember saying that, but retirement in your 40's can play tricks on your mind, I only seem to recall mentioning criminals, so do you believe criminals such as rapists, kiddy fiddlers, murderers etc should be given the same level of protection as the victim's and those that have never broken the law?
In other words you're saying everyone should lose their protections because of a tiny minority of abuses. That includes employment rights. Very tory of you.
Did I say don't protect workers? I said get rid of HRA. Did I or did I not say I would start over. You left wing liberals are all the same protect the criminal and not the needy.

PS: I did NOT vote tory,
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Did I say don't protect workers? Don't remember saying that, but retirement in your 40's can play tricks on your mind, I only seem to recall mentioning criminals, so do you believe criminals such as rapists, kiddy fiddlers, murderers etc should be given the same level of protection as the victim's and those that have never broken the law?[/p][/quote]In other words you're saying everyone should lose their protections because of a tiny minority of abuses. That includes employment rights. Very tory of you.[/p][/quote]Did I say don't protect workers? I said get rid of HRA. Did I or did I not say I would start over. You left wing liberals are all the same protect the criminal and not the needy. PS: I did NOT vote tory, Max Impact

2:21pm Mon 17 Dec 12

asbo industries inc says...

the ghost of ted rogers is wheeling out dusty bin for the hra
the ghost of ted rogers is wheeling out dusty bin for the hra asbo industries inc

8:27pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Did I say don't protect workers? Don't remember saying that, but retirement in your 40's can play tricks on your mind, I only seem to recall mentioning criminals, so do you believe criminals such as rapists, kiddy fiddlers, murderers etc should be given the same level of protection as the victim's and those that have never broken the law?
In other words you're saying everyone should lose their protections because of a tiny minority of abuses. That includes employment rights. Very tory of you.
Did I say don't protect workers? I said get rid of HRA. Did I or did I not say I would start over. You left wing liberals are all the same protect the criminal and not the needy.

PS: I did NOT vote tory,
If you get rid of the HRA you do away with all worker protections. You think a tory government will reinstate those protections?

You tories are clueless.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Did I say don't protect workers? Don't remember saying that, but retirement in your 40's can play tricks on your mind, I only seem to recall mentioning criminals, so do you believe criminals such as rapists, kiddy fiddlers, murderers etc should be given the same level of protection as the victim's and those that have never broken the law?[/p][/quote]In other words you're saying everyone should lose their protections because of a tiny minority of abuses. That includes employment rights. Very tory of you.[/p][/quote]Did I say don't protect workers? I said get rid of HRA. Did I or did I not say I would start over. You left wing liberals are all the same protect the criminal and not the needy. PS: I did NOT vote tory,[/p][/quote]If you get rid of the HRA you do away with all worker protections. You think a tory government will reinstate those protections? You tories are clueless. Shoebury_Cyclist

10:04pm Mon 17 Dec 12

rhowes says...

Can we keep to the story of a Councillor
leaving the Independent "group". He is one of a number of people who had to form a "group" in order to obtain an office in the Civic Centre, and have seats on various committees. They claim to be anti-Party, and have no policies, no value set, and no political philosopher. Unpredictable, loose-cannons who destabilise our local government in my view.
Can we keep to the story of a Councillor leaving the Independent "group". He is one of a number of people who had to form a "group" in order to obtain an office in the Civic Centre, and have seats on various committees. They claim to be anti-Party, and have no policies, no value set, and no political philosopher. Unpredictable, loose-cannons who destabilise our local government in my view. rhowes

10:13pm Mon 17 Dec 12

asbo industries inc says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Did I say don't protect workers? Don't remember saying that, but retirement in your 40's can play tricks on your mind, I only seem to recall mentioning criminals, so do you believe criminals such as rapists, kiddy fiddlers, murderers etc should be given the same level of protection as the victim's and those that have never broken the law?
In other words you're saying everyone should lose their protections because of a tiny minority of abuses. That includes employment rights. Very tory of you.
Did I say don't protect workers? I said get rid of HRA. Did I or did I not say I would start over. You left wing liberals are all the same protect the criminal and not the needy.

PS: I did NOT vote tory,
If you get rid of the HRA you do away with all worker protections. You think a tory government will reinstate those protections?

You tories are clueless.
http://tinyurl.com/c
qdp5e4
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Did I say don't protect workers? Don't remember saying that, but retirement in your 40's can play tricks on your mind, I only seem to recall mentioning criminals, so do you believe criminals such as rapists, kiddy fiddlers, murderers etc should be given the same level of protection as the victim's and those that have never broken the law?[/p][/quote]In other words you're saying everyone should lose their protections because of a tiny minority of abuses. That includes employment rights. Very tory of you.[/p][/quote]Did I say don't protect workers? I said get rid of HRA. Did I or did I not say I would start over. You left wing liberals are all the same protect the criminal and not the needy. PS: I did NOT vote tory,[/p][/quote]If you get rid of the HRA you do away with all worker protections. You think a tory government will reinstate those protections? You tories are clueless.[/p][/quote]http://tinyurl.com/c qdp5e4 asbo industries inc

8:04am Tue 18 Dec 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

rhowes wrote:
Can we keep to the story of a Councillor
leaving the Independent "group". He is one of a number of people who had to form a "group" in order to obtain an office in the Civic Centre, and have seats on various committees. They claim to be anti-Party, and have no policies, no value set, and no political philosopher. Unpredictable, loose-cannons who destabilise our local government in my view.
Or they could local people elected to represent their local communities, who are not tied to any party dogma from Westminster. Unlike every other councillor on Southend council.

It's called democracy.
[quote][p][bold]rhowes[/bold] wrote: Can we keep to the story of a Councillor leaving the Independent "group". He is one of a number of people who had to form a "group" in order to obtain an office in the Civic Centre, and have seats on various committees. They claim to be anti-Party, and have no policies, no value set, and no political philosopher. Unpredictable, loose-cannons who destabilise our local government in my view.[/p][/quote]Or they could local people elected to represent their local communities, who are not tied to any party dogma from Westminster. Unlike every other councillor on Southend council. It's called democracy. Shoebury_Cyclist

12:24pm Tue 18 Dec 12

shoeburylad says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
rhowes wrote:
Can we keep to the story of a Councillor
leaving the Independent "group". He is one of a number of people who had to form a "group" in order to obtain an office in the Civic Centre, and have seats on various committees. They claim to be anti-Party, and have no policies, no value set, and no political philosopher. Unpredictable, loose-cannons who destabilise our local government in my view.
Or they could local people elected to represent their local communities, who are not tied to any party dogma from Westminster. Unlike every other councillor on Southend council.

It's called democracy.
They could be 'local people' except that most of them at one point belonged to a political party.

This myth has also been exposed since it has taken in Cllr Morgan from left the Liberal Democrats to join the Liberal Party and who now sits in the Independent Group.

Could you believe it we now have a councillor who wants to leave the Independent Group to become er an Independent and and an Independent Group that takes in party politicians.

Just fancy that. Sounds like a total con to me.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhowes[/bold] wrote: Can we keep to the story of a Councillor leaving the Independent "group". He is one of a number of people who had to form a "group" in order to obtain an office in the Civic Centre, and have seats on various committees. They claim to be anti-Party, and have no policies, no value set, and no political philosopher. Unpredictable, loose-cannons who destabilise our local government in my view.[/p][/quote]Or they could local people elected to represent their local communities, who are not tied to any party dogma from Westminster. Unlike every other councillor on Southend council. It's called democracy.[/p][/quote]They could be 'local people' except that most of them at one point belonged to a political party. This myth has also been exposed since it has taken in Cllr Morgan from left the Liberal Democrats to join the Liberal Party and who now sits in the Independent Group. Could you believe it we now have a councillor who wants to leave the Independent Group to become er an Independent and and an Independent Group that takes in party politicians. Just fancy that. Sounds like a total con to me. shoeburylad

2:45pm Tue 18 Dec 12

jayman says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/iplayer/episode/b01
pc1qb/Panorama_Brita
ins_Hidden_Housing_C
risis/

Here is something that will put a smile and a spring in any Tories step.

the true state of things in our society.

and there are people on here saying we should stick to the above story.... WTF!

yes lets all discuss self interested local politician.
http://www.bbc.co.uk /iplayer/episode/b01 pc1qb/Panorama_Brita ins_Hidden_Housing_C risis/ Here is something that will put a smile and a spring in any Tories step. the true state of things in our society. and there are people on here saying we should stick to the above story.... WTF! yes lets all discuss self interested local politician. jayman

3:34pm Tue 18 Dec 12

rhowes says...

If we care about who runs our town, we should be interested in the local politicians, and what they stand for! The self interested millionaire still has a vote in full Council Meetings! Could he be the first of many to peel away from this Independent "group"? Are we seeing a trend back to common sense and stability in the Council? And the chance to see a truly effective opposition?
If we care about who runs our town, we should be interested in the local politicians, and what they stand for! The self interested millionaire still has a vote in full Council Meetings! Could he be the first of many to peel away from this Independent "group"? Are we seeing a trend back to common sense and stability in the Council? And the chance to see a truly effective opposition? rhowes

9:53pm Tue 18 Dec 12

jayman says...

rhowes wrote:
If we care about who runs our town, we should be interested in the local politicians, and what they stand for! The self interested millionaire still has a vote in full Council Meetings! Could he be the first of many to peel away from this Independent "group"? Are we seeing a trend back to common sense and stability in the Council? And the chance to see a truly effective opposition?
stability in Southend council?

Southend has a housing crisis.

southends' schools are at admissions braking point.

southends' private rental housing stock is in slum condition.

Southend councils capital spending has exploded in recent years.

Southends' airport has developed massively in size and impact but has not once had any planning applications refused or amended.

southend council has amounted debt in the hundreds of millions over years of conservative control.

Southend has crime and anti-social behaviour that is almost palpable in vast areas of the borough.

I could continue.

so tell me, what is your definition of 'stable'? and whom is the council stable for?

Southend has suffered the worst type of political representation for years now. all councillors should be able to sit at committees, regardless of whether they are party political or not, personally, i would choose 'not'

party politics is an established method of gagging democracy.
[quote][p][bold]rhowes[/bold] wrote: If we care about who runs our town, we should be interested in the local politicians, and what they stand for! The self interested millionaire still has a vote in full Council Meetings! Could he be the first of many to peel away from this Independent "group"? Are we seeing a trend back to common sense and stability in the Council? And the chance to see a truly effective opposition?[/p][/quote]stability in Southend council? Southend has a housing crisis. southends' schools are at admissions braking point. southends' private rental housing stock is in slum condition. Southend councils capital spending has exploded in recent years. Southends' airport has developed massively in size and impact but has not once had any planning applications refused or amended. southend council has amounted debt in the hundreds of millions over years of conservative control. Southend has crime and anti-social behaviour that is almost palpable in vast areas of the borough. I could continue. so tell me, what is your definition of 'stable'? and whom is the council stable for? Southend has suffered the worst type of political representation for years now. all councillors should be able to sit at committees, regardless of whether they are party political or not, personally, i would choose 'not' party politics is an established method of gagging democracy. jayman

12:07pm Thu 20 Dec 12

John T Pharro says...

I don't live in Southend, but Canvey and much of what you say could apply here.
However, the most pertinent point is your last one "party politics is an established method of gagging democracy".
It is so effective it seems some people, too many, support a political party regardless of what they do.
Just like the HRA debate it is the excesses and abuse of it that I think is wrong, not the general purpose of it.
And, oh so true how rich the legal establishment gets defending or opposing it. Just think of how to me the seemingly gross legal costs disproportionate to the case could be spent on far better causes.
I don't live in Southend, but Canvey and much of what you say could apply here. However, the most pertinent point is your last one "party politics is an established method of gagging democracy". It is so effective it seems some people, too many, support a political party regardless of what they do. Just like the HRA debate it is the excesses and abuse of it that I think is wrong, not the general purpose of it. And, oh so true how rich the legal establishment gets defending or opposing it. Just think of how to me the seemingly gross legal costs disproportionate to the case could be spent on far better causes. John T Pharro

7:58pm Thu 20 Dec 12

rhowes says...

We have enjoyed Party politics for centuries, as it is the best way to ensure democracy. It needs purification yes, but if you elect a bunch of Independents, they tend to form into at least 3 different groups. It doesn't work with existing rules and regulations, and just creates instability and a lack of confidence among potential investors.
We need a fair voting system urgently!
We have enjoyed Party politics for centuries, as it is the best way to ensure democracy. It needs purification yes, but if you elect a bunch of Independents, they tend to form into at least 3 different groups. It doesn't work with existing rules and regulations, and just creates instability and a lack of confidence among potential investors. We need a fair voting system urgently! rhowes

3:04pm Fri 21 Dec 12

loppyears says...

John T Pharro wrote:
I don't live in Southend, but Canvey and much of what you say could apply here.
However, the most pertinent point is your last one "party politics is an established method of gagging democracy".
It is so effective it seems some people, too many, support a political party regardless of what they do.
Just like the HRA debate it is the excesses and abuse of it that I think is wrong, not the general purpose of it.
And, oh so true how rich the legal establishment gets defending or opposing it. Just think of how to me the seemingly gross legal costs disproportionate to the case could be spent on far better causes.
Would like to respond to my comments on the previous article and acknowledge why you now make yourself look like a complete see you next tuesday??
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: I don't live in Southend, but Canvey and much of what you say could apply here. However, the most pertinent point is your last one "party politics is an established method of gagging democracy". It is so effective it seems some people, too many, support a political party regardless of what they do. Just like the HRA debate it is the excesses and abuse of it that I think is wrong, not the general purpose of it. And, oh so true how rich the legal establishment gets defending or opposing it. Just think of how to me the seemingly gross legal costs disproportionate to the case could be spent on far better causes.[/p][/quote]Would like to respond to my comments on the previous article and acknowledge why you now make yourself look like a complete see you next tuesday?? loppyears

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