‘Brits are being ignored in favour of ethnic minority’ (From Echo)

Cue a hundred or more comments from this website's resident xenophobes.

The home grown can look after themselves, the ethnic minorities need our help, and thus will always get it.
If the locals cannot or will not help themselves, then they will fall by the wayside, law of nature...

What next ?

Ducks can swim !

s carnacation says the locals can look after themselves ,i have every sympathy for those that need help.

'Created'!!

terrible topsy wrote:
s carnacation says the locals can look after themselves ,i have every sympathy for those that need help.

Thanks Topsy, most folk here, know I'm always right..

well put ConcernedEssexBoy

carnacation wrote:
The home grown can look after themselves, the ethnic minorities need our help, and thus will always get it. If the locals cannot or will not help themselves, then they will fall by the wayside, law of nature...

"The home grown can look after themselves, the ethnic minorities need our help, and thus will always get it."
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Exactly, that is why they come here.
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"If the locals cannot or will not help themselves, then they will fall by the wayside, law of nature..."
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They will fall a lot quicker with current immigration policy. Why should we have to look after the waifs, strays and losers of the whole world. What are other Governments doing aside from providing camp sites walking distance from the cannel tunnel?
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If some peope feel that it is all bad here now, and that it's all down to foreigners joining us, perhaps it is time those people left for another country and stopped moaning!

wendiex wrote:
well put ConcernedEssexBoy

Thank you wendiex.

I'm only speaking the truth, from the heart.

I agree, send all immigrants, asylumseekers and economic migrants home and return with all the English/British from Spain, Portugal, Australia or where ever they are. It is not an ex-pat if you are a Brit abroad and an immigrant if you are a foreigner in Britain. Get real, you are immigrants out there as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Birlis in answer to your question it's because other countries have a policy which doesnt allow us to just turn up empty handed and claim more rights than the locals, this is not about colour or race this is about the structure of this country, if these immagrants are tax paying individuals then they contribute and in my eyes have every right to stay and make a life for themselves but the truth is the majority of them just want hand outs.

They need to abide by our laws or be returned, they need to treat this country with respect or be returned they especially need to learn when bin day is and stop putting bin bags out any time they dam well please, They need to learn how to drive by gaining a British license and most of all embrace our culture and our language and stop segregated themselves from the communities.

soeffinwhat wrote:
I agree, send all immigrants, asylumseekers and economic migrants home and return with all the English/British from Spain, Portugal, Australia or where ever they are. It is not an ex-pat if you are a Brit abroad and an immigrant if you are a foreigner in Britain. Get real, you are immigrants out there as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

soeffinwhat.
You'll probably find that those expats, apart from never writing on these boards, had to prove to those countries that they had the means to support themselves before even being allowed entrance. Unlike the UK with its doors wide open policy and giving larger hand outs to those that have never paid in as opposed to those that have and temporarily fallen on hard times. I think there should be no hand outs for immigrants until they've paid in for a couple of years - financial migrants will then be encouraged to arrive with means of supporting themselves right from the start - oh yes! That's what nearly ALL other countries do!!

Well said Perini

Although everyone should get benefits where necessary, what we really need is jobs for everyone. If there are no jobs, then invent some. Build a canal from Lands End to John O'Groats, or something similar locally. Here we could start with removing the cliff slippage earth. If someone is getting benefits for themself and their family, plus free housing, plus not paying any council tax, then employ them on a project and pay them a wage. The wage will reduce the benefits payable, so the net cost will be minimal, those that are moonlighting will have to come clean and sign off, and lots of much needed jobs will get done. Who gets the jobs? Easy. The more benefits you get, the further you move to the front of the queue.

Taxpayingidiot:

I do not think I suggested anyone's views were based on colour. In fact, what's colour got to do with nationality?

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Anyway, sorry, but I never have believed (and never will) that where you are born should have any influence on where you are allowed to live. I do not feel being born here should entitle one to a more privileged life than someone not born here.

In any case, he majority of scroungers I have met are UK born, and the majority of immigants I have met are working. Of course, not all immagrant work and not all Brits are lazy.

I'm pretty happy for my tax £s to be spent as they are, and if we start pushing people out it should be based on their own attitude and approach (not where they come from or how they talk...)

Taxpayingidiot:

I do not think I suggested anyone's views were based on colour. In fact, what's colour got to do with nationality?

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Anyway, sorry, but I never have believed (and never will) that where you are born should have any influence on where you are allowed to live. I do not feel being born here should entitle one to a more privileged life than someone not born here.

In any case, he majority of scroungers I have met are UK born, and the majority of immigants I have met are working. Of course, not all immagrant work and not all Brits are lazy.

I'm pretty happy for my tax £s to be spent as they are, and if we start pushing people out it should be based on their own attitude and approach (not where they come from or how they talk...)

Sorry for the double post..

I work in Lambeth in London amongst black youth. I can tell you categorically that minorities are put on a pedestal here in London to a fanatical extent. They receive so much help and are encouraged to celebrate their identity at every level. The white English "community" is fragmented and dispersed with nobody to champion their cause except groups like the BNP. Despite the fact that in many London boroughs white English people are a minority in schools and elsewhere, black people and other minorities are constantly given special attention, with Black History Month being widely promoted. The few remaining whites are not encouraged to take any pride in their culture or identity. The official PC line is to celebrate the massive "contribution" that migrants and immigrants have made to our society, whilst nobody remembers the group that made the biggest contribution of all, the white English and to a lesser extent the Welsh, Irish and Scottish. As a result, English kids are like ghosts, rootless and without a culture of their own.
The very idea of English ethnicity and culture is mocked and derided and we are all supposed to buy into the idea of a multicultural "Britishness" even though this is only promoted in England alone. I for one value my English identity and see England as my homeland. The usual nasty comments about us being a mongrel nation with no real culture of our own are PC propaganda. We are no more of a mix than any other nation, but even if we were it would not mean that we have an obligation to keep on adding to that mix or handing our country away on a plate to people who don't give a monkey's about it.
People need to be aware that there are liberals in this country who will not be content until every Cotswold village has the same ethnic and cultural mix as Brixton. According to them, nothing can ever compensate for the injustices committed by the British in the past. The British, and more specifically the English, must be blamed for everything.
The reason the BNP and EDL exist is because NOBODY stands for the rights of English/British people to preserve their historic way of life. This breeds racism and resentment. Not everybody believes in a one-world, PC multicultural utopia.

By the way, the Labour government deliberately let in all these immigrants so that the very social make up of the nation would be changed and so that they would all vote Labour. The Labour Party consists of traitors and liars who care nothing for ordinary people, yet the sheeple of Britain keep wasting their votes on them.

i cannot believe that as an island, we are unable to deter the influx of parasites to the UK - i'm not a racist, but it doesn't take an idiot to start realising why the NHS and benefits system is at breaking point ! I am far from happy taxes from my hard earned salary is used to support many people who are too bloody lazy to support themselves and who are totally abusing the generosity of this once great land.

Ricayboy wrote:
I work in Lambeth in London amongst black youth. I can tell you categorically that minorities are put on a pedestal here in London to a fanatical extent. They receive so much help and are encouraged to celebrate their identity at every level. The white English "community" is fragmented and dispersed with nobody to champion their cause except groups like the BNP. Despite the fact that in many London boroughs white English people are a minority in schools and elsewhere, black people and other minorities are constantly given special attention, with Black History Month being widely promoted. The few remaining whites are not encouraged to take any pride in their culture or identity. The official PC line is to celebrate the massive "contribution" that migrants and immigrants have made to our society, whilst nobody remembers the group that made the biggest contribution of all, the white English and to a lesser extent the Welsh, Irish and Scottish. As a result, English kids are like ghosts, rootless and without a culture of their own. The very idea of English ethnicity and culture is mocked and derided and we are all supposed to buy into the idea of a multicultural "Britishness" even though this is only promoted in England alone. I for one value my English identity and see England as my homeland. The usual nasty comments about us being a mongrel nation with no real culture of our own are PC propaganda. We are no more of a mix than any other nation, but even if we were it would not mean that we have an obligation to keep on adding to that mix or handing our country away on a plate to people who don't give a monkey's about it. People need to be aware that there are liberals in this country who will not be content until every Cotswold village has the same ethnic and cultural mix as Brixton. According to them, nothing can ever compensate for the injustices committed by the British in the past. The British, and more specifically the English, must be blamed for everything. The reason the BNP and EDL exist is because NOBODY stands for the rights of English/British people to preserve their historic way of life. This breeds racism and resentment. Not everybody believes in a one-world, PC multicultural utopia.

Oops, sorry, that touched a nerve. Just wanted to think about the British Commonwealth, was that not adding to the mix at all?? Sure you do not mean that the colonialistic approact to the rest of the world should be the birthright of the British. What about the non-white but British who might have been living here for decades, even centuries. Where would you like to put them. I believe that everyone regardless of their background must work for their own keep and to the good of the society, the society as a whole, not a labeled fraction of it.

al coniston:

I partly agree. I don't like to support lazy people. I just don't care about country or origin...

Ricayboy wrote:
By the way, the Labour government deliberately let in all these immigrants so that the very social make up of the nation would be changed and so that they would all vote Labour. The Labour Party consists of traitors and liars who care nothing for ordinary people, yet the sheeple of Britain keep wasting their votes on them.

I can't agree more!

It's disgusting to think that so many people still vote Labour.

I saw the slug-like ex-Prime Minister Gordon Brown at the Cenotaph in Whitehall yesterday. It made my blood boil.

The likes of ex-Labour Basildon MP Angela Smith, who was a true Brown noser, likes to think of herself as a good Basildon girl. She's nothing of the sort. Did she speak out about opening the flood gates to the immigrants that flooded our shores?

I think not.

soeffinwhat wrote:

Ricayboy wrote:
I work in Lambeth in London amongst black youth. I can tell you categorically that minorities are put on a pedestal here in London to a fanatical extent. They receive so much help and are encouraged to celebrate their identity at every level. The white English "community" is fragmented and dispersed with nobody to champion their cause except groups like the BNP. Despite the fact that in many London boroughs white English people are a minority in schools and elsewhere, black people and other minorities are constantly given special attention, with Black History Month being widely promoted. The few remaining whites are not encouraged to take any pride in their culture or identity. The official PC line is to celebrate the massive "contribution" that migrants and immigrants have made to our society, whilst nobody remembers the group that made the biggest contribution of all, the white English and to a lesser extent the Welsh, Irish and Scottish. As a result, English kids are like ghosts, rootless and without a culture of their own. The very idea of English ethnicity and culture is mocked and derided and we are all supposed to buy into the idea of a multicultural "Britishness" even though this is only promoted in England alone. I for one value my English identity and see England as my homeland. The usual nasty comments about us being a mongrel nation with no real culture of our own are PC propaganda. We are no more of a mix than any other nation, but even if we were it would not mean that we have an obligation to keep on adding to that mix or handing our country away on a plate to people who don't give a monkey's about it. People need to be aware that there are liberals in this country who will not be content until every Cotswold village has the same ethnic and cultural mix as Brixton. According to them, nothing can ever compensate for the injustices committed by the British in the past. The British, and more specifically the English, must be blamed for everything. The reason the BNP and EDL exist is because NOBODY stands for the rights of English/British people to preserve their historic way of life. This breeds racism and resentment. Not everybody believes in a one-world, PC multicultural utopia.

Oops, sorry, that touched a nerve. Just wanted to think about the British Commonwealth, was that not adding to the mix at all?? Sure you do not mean that the colonialistic approact to the rest of the world should be the birthright of the British. What about the non-white but British who might have been living here for decades, even centuries. Where would you like to put them. I believe that everyone regardless of their background must work for their own keep and to the good of the society, the society as a whole, not a labeled fraction of it.

Sure the Commonwealth is one source of immigration. But because of our past misdemeanours it doesn't mean we have an eternal obligation to keep on accepting incomers. My generation was born in the 1980s and we are not responsible for colonisation. Don't forget that ordinary English people suffered poverty at home as the British elite enjoyed their colonial adventures. Don't forget also that many of these countries fought tooth and nail to be free of British rule, yet as soon as they got independence many of their people headed over to Britain in droves.

The fact is that before the 1950s England was a remarkably homogeneous country with only a few localised immigrant communities. The few major immigrant influxes in history were mostly Europeans with a similar culture and ethnicity to native English people, so they were able to integrate and assimilate within a few generations. Even if you look at photos and films of London in the 1960s, people of obvious ethnic origin are conspicuous by their absence.

Today inner London is so mixed that there is no longer a core group for immigrants to integrate into. Multiculturalism aims to unite an impossibly fragmented society by encouraging immigrants to maintain as many cultural trappings of their own cultures as possible. This creates hostility and division between rival groups who have very little social interaction, and this is exactly what we have in London.

Nobody is against a limited immigrant population. They are welcome as long as they recognise that England has its own culture and native people, as does Scotland, Wales and so on. Mass immigration changes society and weakens and divides it as I have witnessed with my own eyes.

To get people to accept mass immigration the elites have devised as system of PC brainwashing aimed at cowing English people to accept colonisation of their country. Anyone who raises a voice in protest is branded a racist and a pariah. Multiculturalism is given the status of a holy cow that must never ever be criticised.

The fact is that in many areas white/English people are in a minority. But unlike other groups they have a psychological disadvantage. They have no collective communal voice amongst the myriad of ethnic and cultural groups in England. Their legitimacy and right to exist as a distinct community is derided and ignored. They are made to bear the guilt of supposed past crimes and are manipulated into holding an inferiority complex. Any time they assert themselves as a community they are smeared with the racism tag.

Compared to this, immigrant groups are self confident and proud, knowing that the British elite, most of the media and the EU are on their side.

Did you know that Lenny Henry was the first ever black person?

Blind Haze wrote:
Did you know that Lenny Henry was the first ever black person?

LOL

Ricayboy wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:
Did you know that Lenny Henry was the first ever black person?

LOL

Not true his Mum was.

Ricayboy wrote:
I work in Lambeth in London amongst black youth. I can tell you categorically that minorities are put on a pedestal here in London to a fanatical extent. They receive so much help and are encouraged to celebrate their identity at every level. The white English "community" is fragmented and dispersed with nobody to champion their cause except groups like the BNP. Despite the fact that in many London boroughs white English people are a minority in schools and elsewhere, black people and other minorities are constantly given special attention, with Black History Month being widely promoted. The few remaining whites are not encouraged to take any pride in their culture or identity. The official PC line is to celebrate the massive "contribution" that migrants and immigrants have made to our society, whilst nobody remembers the group that made the biggest contribution of all, the white English and to a lesser extent the Welsh, Irish and Scottish. As a result, English kids are like ghosts, rootless and without a culture of their own.
The very idea of English ethnicity and culture is mocked and derided and we are all supposed to buy into the idea of a multicultural "Britishness" even though this is only promoted in England alone. I for one value my English identity and see England as my homeland. The usual nasty comments about us being a mongrel nation with no real culture of our own are PC propaganda. We are no more of a mix than any other nation, but even if we were it would not mean that we have an obligation to keep on adding to that mix or handing our country away on a plate to people who don't give a monkey's about it.
People need to be aware that there are liberals in this country who will not be content until every Cotswold village has the same ethnic and cultural mix as Brixton. According to them, nothing can ever compensate for the injustices committed by the British in the past. The British, and more specifically the English, must be blamed for everything.
The reason the BNP and EDL exist is because NOBODY stands for the rights of English/British people to preserve their historic way of life. This breeds racism and resentment. Not everybody believes in a one-world, PC multicultural utopia.

I wrote this to the 'Echo' after reading this in Friday's 'Echo'. I headed it: 'Not outspoken enough'.

"Christine Sexton's report (Echo, Friday) says 'An outspoken councillor claims white British people are being ignored as a result of efforts to help Southend's ethnic minorities'.

This is the reported view of Councillor Ian Robertson of Chalkwell. His comments are described as 'outspoken'.

I would submit: they are not outspoken enough.

The words that are missing from Christine Sexton's report are 'England' and 'the English'.

To remind her, the English are the indigenous people who live in this part of Essex. They settled here after the Romans left, therefore they and their descendants have lived here for a millennium and a half. They can be described as 'white'. They only became 'British' following the Act of Union with Scotland of 1707, but they are still here. They don't get anything like the consideration and the resources that more recent arrivals get.

To state such views is usually to invite the appellation 'racist', which is
a convenient label with very wide applications, especially where the matter of skin colour is raised.

When last I looked, Chalkwell Ward, Southend-on-Sea and the rest of Essex, were all part of that ancient and proud land called England, peopled by the English, a race to which I am proud to state that I belong."

Brunning999 wrote:

Ricayboy wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:
Did you know that Lenny Henry was the first ever black person?

LOL

Not true his Mum was.

I thought it was his dad actually. lol

bazza 1 wrote:

Brunning999 wrote:

Ricayboy wrote:

Blind Haze wrote: Did you know that Lenny Henry was the first ever black person?

LOL

Not true his Mum was.

I thought it was his dad actually. lol

Lenny Henry is quite old and records of that time are hazy at best - I guess we'll never know for sure.

margrete wrote:

Ricayboy wrote:
I work in Lambeth in London amongst black youth. I can tell you categorically that minorities are put on a pedestal here in London to a fanatical extent. They receive so much help and are encouraged to celebrate their identity at every level. The white English "community" is fragmented and dispersed with nobody to champion their cause except groups like the BNP. Despite the fact that in many London boroughs white English people are a minority in schools and elsewhere, black people and other minorities are constantly given special attention, with Black History Month being widely promoted. The few remaining whites are not encouraged to take any pride in their culture or identity. The official PC line is to celebrate the massive "contribution" that migrants and immigrants have made to our society, whilst nobody remembers the group that made the biggest contribution of all, the white English and to a lesser extent the Welsh, Irish and Scottish. As a result, English kids are like ghosts, rootless and without a culture of their own.
The very idea of English ethnicity and culture is mocked and derided and we are all supposed to buy into the idea of a multicultural "Britishness" even though this is only promoted in England alone. I for one value my English identity and see England as my homeland. The usual nasty comments about us being a mongrel nation with no real culture of our own are PC propaganda. We are no more of a mix than any other nation, but even if we were it would not mean that we have an obligation to keep on adding to that mix or handing our country away on a plate to people who don't give a monkey's about it.
People need to be aware that there are liberals in this country who will not be content until every Cotswold village has the same ethnic and cultural mix as Brixton. According to them, nothing can ever compensate for the injustices committed by the British in the past. The British, and more specifically the English, must be blamed for everything.
The reason the BNP and EDL exist is because NOBODY stands for the rights of English/British people to preserve their historic way of life. This breeds racism and resentment. Not everybody believes in a one-world, PC multicultural utopia.

I wrote this to the 'Echo' after reading this in Friday's 'Echo'. I headed it: 'Not outspoken enough'.

"Christine Sexton's report (Echo, Friday) says 'An outspoken councillor claims white British people are being ignored as a result of efforts to help Southend's ethnic minorities'.

This is the reported view of Councillor Ian Robertson of Chalkwell. His comments are described as 'outspoken'.

I would submit: they are not outspoken enough.

The words that are missing from Christine Sexton's report are 'England' and 'the English'.

To remind her, the English are the indigenous people who live in this part of Essex. They settled here after the Romans left, therefore they and their descendants have lived here for a millennium and a half. They can be described as 'white'. They only became 'British' following the Act of Union with Scotland of 1707, but they are still here. They don't get anything like the consideration and the resources that more recent arrivals get.

To state such views is usually to invite the appellation 'racist', which is
a convenient label with very wide applications, especially where the matter of skin colour is raised.

When last I looked, Chalkwell Ward, Southend-on-Sea and the rest of Essex, were all part of that ancient and proud land called England, peopled by the English, a race to which I am proud to state that I belong."

Yes indeed. I can't see the appeal of the "British" identity which is a false political construct and which is moribund and fading. The vast majority of Scots and Welsh don't care anything for it so why should we? They are rightly proud and protective of their own cultures and identities.

Most English people can't make a distinction between England and Britain but this has not served us well. The "Britain" that our current elite promotes is a multicultural, multi-ethnic region of the EU superstate, supposedly with no real native culture of its own. The very idea of Englishness is mocked and derided by traitors with their own agendas.

Nobody is talking about xenophobia or racism. We simply wish to preserve the precious aspects of our culture. As I have witnessed in London, the more people of foreign origin who live in an area, the less English it becomes in character. Many parts of London and our cities now resemble foreign countries. There is a perception that our LibLabCon elite wish that the awkward concept of England and the idea of an English nation would fade away quietly.

well the taxs are going up and the standard of living is falling ..the pot is nearly empty and the gov are scraping out every last drop!!the reason is down to all the foriegners we let in none of them pay into the system but take out ! if we went to their country they wouldnt feed cloth and shelter us ! how can anyone take the gov serious about trying to pay back debt when we let in thousands of people every day this island is close to sinking ! the gov need to wake up close our borders and send home all illegals and foriegn non workers if they dont put in get out we aint a charity ! the homes should be for the british people and so should the jobs any left over then we can let foriegners have them we should look after our people first ! all this political correctness is taking away our identity and our history enough is enough next ellection its bnp for me call me racial call me what you like but i want my kids to grow up in their own country not some multi culture mixing pot where were second best !!!

My main gripe is not with immigrants but with the liberal "Brits" who have sold the country down the drain.

All this,"hoohaa", by all you people who are full of good ideas, but dont say what you really mean. Come on and say it. Like me.. I, am, a racist, and I would like to see all the foeigners in this lovely country of ours, SENT BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM. Barring none. !!!!!

Interesting arguments.

I never quite get the point about illegal immigrants costing us money. Surely if they're illegal they can't claim any sort of benefit?

That would surely also apply to legal economic migrants? If you're an economic migrant you must surely work as that is how you enter a country under the Freedom of Movement convention? Thus you do contribute to society through taxation. Furthermore, you shouldn't be entitled to any sort of top-up benefits. If you need them, you're no an economic migrant. And certainly any migrant should embrace British culture. Be proud of your heritage sure, but you need to become a Brit. Just as those horrible ex-pats living in ghettos in the Costa Del Boy should embrace the Spanish culture.

I think we should be rightly proud that we take our fair share of asylum seekers. There for the grace of god go us all, and just because we are fortunate enough to be born in to a society where we are not scared to speak out against an oppresive regime or happen to be the wrong religious caste does not mean we should turn our backs on those that are. Those that claim such though, should be properly investigated and those who use it as an excuse should be immediately refused entry. And from then on they should be monitored to ensure they integrate with UK society but can also be sent back when it is safe to do so.

My biggest concern here is always that there are economic migrants for a reason. There are jobs here. And yet we have too many people, especially young men who do not, and probably will never work.

Reagan once said "We should measure welfare's success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added." In this regard, our Benefits system is a complete failure. That's not to say the principle is flawed, but a society that is so attractive for foreign economic migrants to join which has so many wasted human resources that cost far too much money is broken. We have career Benefit claimants. Mothers of seven year olds who fall preganant once again as they know otherwise it means a return to work. Men who avoid work through a myriad of pathetic excuses. Claimants who know another baby equals a bigger house. Too cushy. Do I think I should clothe and feed these people above someone who has fled his home from a fear of his life. No, sorry I don't. I don't feel I should fund anyone who is just too lazy to get a job, be they British, English, Welsh or Somalian.

The reason this country's economy is bust is nothing to do with immigration. It is down to a criminal lack of investment in technology and education by successive governments. Started by the Tories, but in no way rectified by Labour.

We make nothing. We have wasted the money we made from Natural Resources. Did we invest in technology when we had the chance? No. Our balance of payments is ridiculous. And yet we spend billions paying people not to work. We spend, as a country and individually, more than we can afford. Until we rectify that we are heading for even more misery.

Someone said build a canal to John O'Groats. We don't need that. We have enough real problems that need fixing. We have potholes in the road. We have cliffs falling in to the sea. We have real jobs in the private sector that need filling. We need to encourage those that laze about to actually work. When those guys have got off their backsides, there will be less jobs for economic migrants who will go home.

Tougher processes for claiming benefits, and far less attractive benefits are the only way. For everyone.

When you're treated less favourablly in your own country to so called ethnic minorities that take over areas it breeds resentment which in turn gets to breaking point and becomes racism. If people have become racist its probably the fault of the overboad PC brigade

I can see the point that Cllr Robertson is trying to make, there does seem to be an emphasis on helping new arrivals more than those who have lived here & in the surrounding area all their lives, as did many generations of their forebears too. Personally, I do not subscribe to any suggestion that it is to do with race or ethnicity, but it is to do with culture. Basically, if you move to another country, you should conform to their laws & customs, not try to change them to suit you.
Other countries, such as Australia, New Zealand & many EU nations have rules about having enough funds to support yourself for a certain period of time as you will not be entitled to any state benefits. We need to look into this & see what we can learn from these places. There should be a rule that does not allow people to arrive in this country (regardless of where they come from) to claim benefits until they have contributed via Income Tax & National Insurance.

Southchurch Steve wrote:
Interesting arguments.

I never quite get the point about illegal immigrants costing us money. Surely if they're illegal they can't claim any sort of benefit?

That would surely also apply to legal economic migrants? If you're an economic migrant you must surely work as that is how you enter a country under the Freedom of Movement convention? Thus you do contribute to society through taxation. Furthermore, you shouldn't be entitled to any sort of top-up benefits. If you need them, you're no an economic migrant. And certainly any migrant should embrace British culture. Be proud of your heritage sure, but you need to become a Brit. Just as those horrible ex-pats living in ghettos in the Costa Del Boy should embrace the Spanish culture.

I think we should be rightly proud that we take our fair share of asylum seekers. There for the grace of god go us all, and just because we are fortunate enough to be born in to a society where we are not scared to speak out against an oppresive regime or happen to be the wrong religious caste does not mean we should turn our backs on those that are. Those that claim such though, should be properly investigated and those who use it as an excuse should be immediately refused entry. And from then on they should be monitored to ensure they integrate with UK society but can also be sent back when it is safe to do so.

My biggest concern here is always that there are economic migrants for a reason. There are jobs here. And yet we have too many people, especially young men who do not, and probably will never work.

Reagan once said "We should measure welfare's success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added." In this regard, our Benefits system is a complete failure. That's not to say the principle is flawed, but a society that is so attractive for foreign economic migrants to join which has so many wasted human resources that cost far too much money is broken. We have career Benefit claimants. Mothers of seven year olds who fall preganant once again as they know otherwise it means a return to work. Men who avoid work through a myriad of pathetic excuses. Claimants who know another baby equals a bigger house. Too cushy. Do I think I should clothe and feed these people above someone who has fled his home from a fear of his life. No, sorry I don't. I don't feel I should fund anyone who is just too lazy to get a job, be they British, English, Welsh or Somalian.

The reason this country's economy is bust is nothing to do with immigration. It is down to a criminal lack of investment in technology and education by successive governments. Started by the Tories, but in no way rectified by Labour.

We make nothing. We have wasted the money we made from Natural Resources. Did we invest in technology when we had the chance? No. Our balance of payments is ridiculous. And yet we spend billions paying people not to work. We spend, as a country and individually, more than we can afford. Until we rectify that we are heading for even more misery.

Someone said build a canal to John O'Groats. We don't need that. We have enough real problems that need fixing. We have potholes in the road. We have cliffs falling in to the sea. We have real jobs in the private sector that need filling. We need to encourage those that laze about to actually work. When those guys have got off their backsides, there will be less jobs for economic migrants who will go home.

Tougher processes for claiming benefits, and far less attractive benefits are the only way. For everyone.

I couldn't agree more!

Many immigrants to England come here for the standard of living, jobs and benefits. Because it is economically advantageous to do so, not because they have any particular loyalty to or love of England and it's way of life. Many of them are hard working but poor and because they can't speak English well they need much support. Because they have no real desire to be in England but feel compelled to do so, they are quite happy to import their cultures to England and enjoy all the benefits of life here without really having to integrate. This is made possible because of liberals who encourage them to take everything on offer and retain their native cultures.

A bit of diversity would make our cities interesting, but what we are now seeing has gone way beyond that. In the cities particularly, white English people are the ones who are being discriminated against and ignored and nobody seems to care.

Most English who emigrate to France, say, are people who have made money and who make they move because they enjoy the French way of life and culture. They are not dependent on benefits and are more unlikely to import their foreign culture to France. The Costa may be an exception, but that is populated mostly by elderly Brits who are not exactly going to cause a baby boom like immigrants to England.

My local council run youth centre ran a whole series of events for Black History Month, including one that was raising money for "black children." How racist and exclusive is that? It would never be allowed the other way round. In fact the youth club is pretty much dominated by black kids but nobody seems to mind that no white kids come.

Try typing words such as "multicultural, diversity, equality, inclusive" into Google and look at the millions of websites of organisations that burn tax-payers' money on hair-brained PC propaganda projects. It's a very lucrative business to be in, making money telling white people they're racist and telling ethnic minorities that how amazing they are. It's any wonder that we survived so long without them.

My wife and my young baby were caught up in the riots in London. Fortunately they were not harmed. I saw myself the great flowering of diversity in London, which has turned our capital into a gang-ridden, third world hell hole.

Essex is next I fear.

Many immigrants to England come here for the standard of living, jobs and benefits. Because it is economically advantageous to do so, not because they have any particular loyalty to or love of England and it's way of life. Many of them are hard working but poor and because they can't speak English well they need much support. Because they have no real desire to be in England but feel compelled to do so, they are quite happy to import their cultures to England and enjoy all the benefits of life here without really having to integrate. This is made possible because of liberals who encourage them to take everything on offer and retain their native cultures.

A bit of diversity would make our cities interesting, but what we are now seeing has gone way beyond that. In the cities particularly, white English people are the ones who are being discriminated against and ignored and nobody seems to care.

Most English who emigrate to France, say, are people who have made money and who make they move because they enjoy the French way of life and culture. They are not dependent on benefits and are more unlikely to import their foreign culture to France. The Costa may be an exception, but that is populated mostly by elderly Brits who are not exactly going to cause a baby boom like immigrants to England.

My local council run youth centre ran a whole series of events for Black History Month, including one that was raising money for "black children." How racist and exclusive is that? It would never be allowed the other way round. In fact the youth club is pretty much dominated by black kids but nobody seems to mind that no white kids come.

Try typing words such as "multicultural, diversity, equality, inclusive" into Google and look at the millions of websites of organisations that burn tax-payers' money on hair-brained PC propaganda projects. It's a very lucrative business to be in, making money telling white people they're racist and telling ethnic minorities that how amazing they are. It's any wonder that we survived so long without them.

My wife and my young baby were caught up in the riots in London. Fortunately they were not harmed. I saw myself the great flowering of diversity in London, which has turned our capital into a gang-ridden, third world hell hole.

Essex is next I fear.

Anyone in any doubt about immigration policies, racism, patriotism etc should look no further than the Australian policies. They have it right - can't support yourself or don't have a skill that the country needs - do one, you are NOT coming in! Ever such a simple policy, vigorously enforced! Job done!

Excuse me but why is he being labelled an "outspoken" councillor.

Is "outspoken" the new word for "truthful".

The man is telling the TRUTH, as most of us out here know but most are too afraid to say in case they are labelled racists.

Not racism, realism.

And anyone who cannot grasp this has to be thick.

Excuse me but why is he being labelled an "outspoken" councillor.

Is "outspoken" the new word for "truthful".

The man is telling the TRUTH, as most of us out here know but most are too afraid to say in case they are labelled racists.

Not racism, realism.

And anyone who cannot grasp this has to be thick.

I rest my case with this article:
"A mother who lived the high life in the sun for five years while claiming thousands in UK benefits has been jailed.

Debbie Williamson splashed out on a villa with a swimming pool in Spain and deposited £30,000 into a Spanish bank while pocketing the benefits, Sheffield Crown Court heard.
The 45-year-old from Barnsley, then 'lied and lied and lied' when authorities launched an investigation.
Jailed: Debbie Williamson, 45, of Barnsley, splashed out on the villa and deposited £30,000 into a Spanish bank while claiming benefits, Sheffield Crown Court heard
The court was told how she had insisted she was not living full time in Spain, prolonging the probe into her circumstances.

During her time in Spain she falsely claimed £41,800: £28,558 from income support from the Department of Work and Pensions; £11,142 in housing benefit and £2,100 in council tax benefits from Barnsley Council from 2003 to 2008.

Oliver Thorne, prosecuting, said Williamson successfully applied for income support in March 2003 and bought her property in Valencia just two months later - calling it Villa Jessica after her daughter who was then 13.
The DWP launched an inquiry after an anonymous tip off claiming Williamson was living in Spain with husband Ian and running a bar.

High life: Williamson had denied living in Spain but was discovered to have built a villa in Valencia, similar to the one in this file picture
She never bothered to notify the authorities of her change in circumstances, the court heard.
Williamson was arrested in January 2009 and declared she had never lived in Spain and that her daughter went to primary school in the UK.

But she had made regular cash withdrawals in Spain and booked numerous flights to Spain for her family.

It was then established she owned the plot of land in Valencia containing a single-storey villa with swimming pool.
Spanish school records confirmed her daughter had been educated in Spain.
Records from the girl's school in England showed she had been taken out of the school in March 2004 because he family was 'emigrating to Spain'.

The court was told Williamson, who admitted 10 counts of fraudulently obtaining benefits and sobbed during the hearing, had only repaid £45.

She was jailed for 18 months.
Recorder of Sheffield Judge Alan Goldsack QC said: 'There you were enjoying yourself in Spain while people here were having tax taken off them which was going to fund your lifestyle.

'The immediate victims were Barnsley Council and the DWP but the real victims, of course, are your fellow citizens.

'For five years until the authorities were tipped off, you were claiming benefits you were not entitled to.

'For most of that period you were actually living in Spain. It seems unlikely any of this money will be recovered for the taxpayers.'



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I am a victim of cheap foreign labour... I know what I am talking about, having been on the receiving end so do NOT try to argue with me

This story combined with the story of a Southend tory attending an EDL meeting, shows Southend tory politics to be pretty ugly.

AND HE IS BL00DY RIGHT TOO.... GOOD ON YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT.

AND HE IS BL00DY RIGHT TOO.... GOOD ON YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT.

ADucksQuack wrote:
Cue a hundred or more comments from this website's resident xenophobes.

Strange, i didn't see any posts from you in regards to Dale farm and the racial attacks on every single thread. They are an ethic minority! But benefit of the doubt, you might not be aware of the DF issue. Im sure there are four or five in the country who havent.

BIRLIS wrote:
If some peope feel that it is all bad here now, and that it's all down to foreigners joining us, perhaps it is time those people left for another country and stopped moaning!

Im sure you said as much on the Dale Farm threads!

soeffinwhat wrote:
I agree, send all immigrants, asylumseekers and economic migrants home and return with all the English/British from Spain, Portugal, Australia or where ever they are. It is not an ex-pat if you are a Brit abroad and an immigrant if you are a foreigner in Britain. Get real, you are immigrants out there as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great to see your comments on the Dale Farm issue. Always happy to read the posts of those who support ALL ethnic minorities regardless of their colour.

There really are some do gooding idiots out there aren't there. Why is it there are still people walking around with there eyes shut!! some one said earlier about illegals not being able to claim, yeah right! if this is so true why aren't our streets littered with illegals. I have always been taught to treat people the way i would like to be treated, until this happens i am completely against all the foreigners slowly but surely taking over this little island. when i can go to iraq and ask for a Christian church, and get it, when i can burn one of there flags or burn a statue of allah without them getting peed off. i may be more respectful of there needs. why do we have to bowel down to other people's cultures in our own country and not be able to express ours along the way without being pegged a racist. i'm sorry but we are well past being the majority we are now the minority. i would not care if they wanted to be here, but they don't, they hate us. i would be respectful enough if i moved somewhere, to learn the language and respect what religion they are. its all one sided and we are trapped and living like crap!!! and paying for people who don't even like it here, just like being able to walk all over us. and yes i too blame tony blair faced liar. this anger will continue to boil amongst us British, and all i can say is it wont end well. i am disappointed my son has to live in this world.

APR wrote:
What next ?

Ducks can swim !

lol i agree it should have been obvious

I blame all our problems on two facts: Al Johnson
And
The Black and White Minstrel Show.

I'm not sure why everyone's so concerned - sooner rather than later, the British whites will become the ethnic minority and they will have all the priviliges they desire. Then the Somalian Echo will run a similar story to this. Everything goes in cycles....

NightnDay wrote:

BIRLIS wrote: If some peope feel that it is all bad here now, and that it's all down to foreigners joining us, perhaps it is time those people left for another country and stopped moaning!

Im sure you said as much on the Dale Farm threads!

No, I didn't. I fully supported the shutting down of the illegal camp.

I still think that the biggest threat o this country's future is the home-grown, white trash chavs which seem to be everywhere.

Perhaps we should operate an exchange process - one person in and one sub-human chav out?

Blind Haze wrote:
Did you know that Lenny Henry was the first ever black person?

You forgot to add the word "unfunny" in there

NightnDay wrote:

ADucksQuack wrote:
Cue a hundred or more comments from this website's resident xenophobes.

Strange, i didn't see any posts from you in regards to Dale farm and the racial attacks on every single thread. They are an ethic minority! But benefit of the doubt, you might not be aware of the DF issue. Im sure there are four or five in the country who havent.

The Irish are not an ethnic minority. Choice of abode does not equal 'ethnicity'.

angryangel87 wrote:
There really are some do gooding idiots out there aren't there. Why is it there are still people walking around with there eyes shut!! some one said earlier about illegals not being able to claim, yeah right! if this is so true why aren't our streets littered with illegals. I have always been taught to treat people the way i would like to be treated, until this happens i am completely against all the foreigners slowly but surely taking over this little island. when i can go to iraq and ask for a Christian church, and get it, when i can burn one of there flags or burn a statue of allah without them getting peed off. i may be more respectful of there needs. why do we have to bowel down to other people's cultures in our own country and not be able to express ours along the way without being pegged a racist. i'm sorry but we are well past being the majority we are now the minority. i would not care if they wanted to be here, but they don't, they hate us. i would be respectful enough if i moved somewhere, to learn the language and respect what religion they are. its all one sided and we are trapped and living like crap!!! and paying for people who don't even like it here, just like being able to walk all over us. and yes i too blame tony blair faced liar. this anger will continue to boil amongst us British, and all i can say is it wont end well. i am disappointed my son has to live in this world.

ok... so this story is about ALL ethnic minorities.... and ALL immigration...

WHERE did it say anything about Muslims?

typical EDL type that as soon as they hear immigration or ethnic minorities they think Muslims.

"when i can go to iraq and ask for a Christian church, and get it, when i can burn one of there flags or burn a statue of allah without them getting peed off."

a quick google search will show you there are churches in Iraq (some of them have been in the news because they had been attacked, which I don't agree with, but just to point out to you there are churches there.)

also ...another google search will show you that the word Allah is used as the Arabic word for God, Christian Arabs, and some Jewish Arabs as well as muslims use the word Allah when they talk about God. So technically you can't make a statue of GOD!

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As a child of parents who came here from Pakistan in the '70s, I do tend to agree that immigration here has gone over board. When my parents came here they worked, in some circumstances 2 jobs, they paid taxes etc and installed in their children a strong work ethic. They also (especially my dad) taught me about learning about the history of the country we lived in and honestly I love going to English histroical places.

I agree this country does pander a bit too much to ethnic minorites (on of the reasons I didn't like living in London and came back), when we have community events it shouldn't be about so and so's culture it should be a time we show off all the cultures. INCLUDING the English and British culture and traditions. I would love to go to let's say a St George's day fete (or something similar).

One of the things the govenment needs to do here is to help encourage the youth and the unemployed of this country to train etc to fill the jobs that we have shortage of people in. This is one of the biggest the govenment uses as to why we have such a high immigration rate, that they fill in the gaps we have in our work force.

angryangel87 says...
7:46am Tue 15 Nov 11

Where to start?

"when i can go to iraq and ask for a Christian church, and get it, when i can burn one of there flags or burn a statue of allah without them getting peed off. i may be more respectful of there needs."

Are you a Christian then? Do you think those from abroad aren't? Do you think those born here might be other religions?

"i'm sorry but we are well past being the majority we are now the minority."

No we (whatever that means) aren't.

"i would not care if they wanted to be here, but they don't, they hate us."

People from abroad that I work with every day certainly don't. In fact, many have built companies which employ people born here. They also pay a lot of tax into our system.

"i would be respectful enough if i moved somewhere, to learn the language"

You haven't done too well with English over the last 24 years, have you?

"its all one sided and we are trapped and living like crap!!!"

Why? I am not trapped. I live very nicely. You might want to look closer to home for the reasons you feel like that.

Blind Haze wrote:
Did you know that Lenny Henry was the first ever black person?

When he said he wanted to be a comedian people laughed. They are not laughing now!

I've heard that a lot of Somalians have moved to Southend and are making a living peddling drugs. Does anyone know if there's any truth behind this?

BIRLIS wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

BIRLIS wrote: If some peope feel that it is all bad here now, and that it's all down to foreigners joining us, perhaps it is time those people left for another country and stopped moaning!

Im sure you said as much on the Dale Farm threads!

No, I didn't. I fully supported the shutting down of the illegal camp.

I still think that the biggest threat o this country's future is the home-grown, white trash chavs which seem to be everywhere.

Perhaps we should operate an exchange process - one person in and one sub-human chav out?

You dont think that some might consider you one of the chav's?

ADucksQuack wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

ADucksQuack wrote:
Cue a hundred or more comments from this website's resident xenophobes.

Strange, i didn't see any posts from you in regards to Dale farm and the racial attacks on every single thread. They are an ethic minority! But benefit of the doubt, you might not be aware of the DF issue. Im sure there are four or five in the country who havent.

The Irish are not an ethnic minority. Choice of abode does not equal 'ethnicity'.

The "Travellers" (term placed on them by society in the 50s) are an ethnic minority. Protected under the race relations act.

No enthnic minority is entitled to break planning law. It ran the full legal course and they LOST. - Try to keep up with current events old chap. This string isn't about DF.
.

NightnDay wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

BIRLIS wrote: If some peope feel that it is all bad here now, and that it's all down to foreigners joining us, perhaps it is time those people left for another country and stopped moaning!

Im sure you said as much on the Dale Farm threads!

No, I didn't. I fully supported the shutting down of the illegal camp. I still think that the biggest threat o this country's future is the home-grown, white trash chavs which seem to be everywhere. Perhaps we should operate an exchange process - one person in and one sub-human chav out?

You dont think that some might consider you one of the chav's?

Can't imagine why they would.

26 years in constant employment, home owner, smartly dressed, educated, polite, can actually use real words, self sufficient, contribute to society...

Oh, and no Staffie.... ;o)

I don't really tick any Chav boxes...

But, I guess there is always that chance!

Blind Haze wrote:
I've heard that a lot of Somalians have moved to Southend and are making a living peddling drugs. Does anyone know if there's any truth behind this?

There are some Somalian drug gangs in Southend, yes.

Is it lots? I don't know...

Alekhine wrote:
No enthnic minority is entitled to break planning law. It ran the full legal course and they LOST. - Try to keep up with current events old chap. This string isn't about DF.
.

I now its isn't about DF but it is relevant. It hasn't run its full legal course just yet..in fact cases are coming out of it every day. BTW there are people living on the 'illegal' part of DF so "they" lost is quite true. BUT the point i was making to one or two on here is, While they have come on here to comment on this thread re: non white ethic minorities, they were very quiet when a white ethic minority was being racially abused. Make of that what you will. But it doesn't spell out consistency!

NightnDay wrote:

ADucksQuack wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

ADucksQuack wrote:
Cue a hundred or more comments from this website's resident xenophobes.

Strange, i didn't see any posts from you in regards to Dale farm and the racial attacks on every single thread. They are an ethic minority! But benefit of the doubt, you might not be aware of the DF issue. Im sure there are four or five in the country who havent.

The Irish are not an ethnic minority. Choice of abode does not equal 'ethnicity'.

The "Travellers" (term placed on them by society in the 50s) are an ethnic minority. Protected under the race relations act.

Wrong. The ROMA are an ethnic minority. The Irish are not.

Choosing to live in a caravan does not confer ethnic minority status.

BIRLIS wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

BIRLIS wrote: If some peope feel that it is all bad here now, and that it's all down to foreigners joining us, perhaps it is time those people left for another country and stopped moaning!

Im sure you said as much on the Dale Farm threads!

No, I didn't. I fully supported the shutting down of the illegal camp. I still think that the biggest threat o this country's future is the home-grown, white trash chavs which seem to be everywhere. Perhaps we should operate an exchange process - one person in and one sub-human chav out?

You dont think that some might consider you one of the chav's?

Can't imagine why they would. 26 years in constant employment, home owner, smartly dressed, educated, polite, can actually use real words, self sufficient, contribute to society... Oh, and no Staffie.... ;o) I don't really tick any Chav boxes... But, I guess there is always that chance!

Is picking on chavs considered racist? If so, I'm very right wing.

NightnDay wrote:

Alekhine wrote: No enthnic minority is entitled to break planning law. It ran the full legal course and they LOST. - Try to keep up with current events old chap. This string isn't about DF. .

I now its isn't about DF but it is relevant. It hasn't run its full legal course just yet..in fact cases are coming out of it every day. BTW there are people living on the 'illegal' part of DF so "they" lost is quite true. BUT the point i was making to one or two on here is, While they have come on here to comment on this thread re: non white ethic minorities, they were very quiet when a white ethic minority was being racially abused. Make of that what you will. But it doesn't spell out consistency!

That's a matter of opinion.
.
To most people DF was simply a planning dispute so i can't see any inconsistency in the above comments. Ofcourse, it suits some left wing political types to turn it into a race issue.
.
I'll still maintain a lifestyle is not a race. What about the white ethnic majority living in houses near DF. Were they all racist against their own race?
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If the legal farce is still going on, i can guess who is paying for it.

BIRLIS wrote:
angryangel87 says...
7:46am Tue 15 Nov 11

Where to start?

"when i can go to iraq and ask for a Christian church, and get it, when i can burn one of there flags or burn a statue of allah without them getting peed off. i may be more respectful of there needs."

Are you a Christian then? Do you think those from abroad aren't? Do you think those born here might be other religions?

"i'm sorry but we are well past being the majority we are now the minority."

No we (whatever that means) aren't.

"i would not care if they wanted to be here, but they don't, they hate us."

People from abroad that I work with every day certainly don't. In fact, many have built companies which employ people born here. They also pay a lot of tax into our system.

"i would be respectful enough if i moved somewhere, to learn the language"

You haven't done too well with English over the last 24 years, have you?

"its all one sided and we are trapped and living like crap!!!"

Why? I am not trapped. I live very nicely. You might want to look closer to home for the reasons you feel like that.

As i said do gooders who haven't a clue, ladies and gentlemen perfect example.

i was using the church comment as an example, we cater to many different religions, when other countries would not.

and when did i say that some foreigners aren't hard working. I'm glad you know the few that are.

and we means the British people which is what this article happens to be about, perhaps it is you that needs help with your English or at least your general understanding of what you are reading. and slowly but surely we will be the minority.

but you won't notice this as you live in your perfect little bubble.

Does it not disgust you being told not to fly your flag because of who it offends or watching our poppies be burnt. if it does not you clearly shouldn't be living here.

and 87 is a number important to me not my birth year before getting cocky thinking you guessed my age.
and just to go back to the English comment its an echo website not an exam. get over it.

:-)

Well done.

A great example of why I judge people on attitude, not origin.

I would rather have people who work and contribute, wherever they are from, in the UK than work shy scroungers (even if they were born in the UK).

It seems to me people sometimes blame immigrants for their own failings...

Angryangel87,

Just our of interest, with your strange ramblings about religions, work, poppies etc, do you include people from countries such as the US, Australia, France etc in your target group, or just those who stand out more?

What rubbish.

We all know that succesive administrations haven't got a clue about how to deal with immigration in this country. Maybe the Race card is banded about too freely to the detriment of genuine problems, and is it so wrong that occasionally a councillor speaks up about his/her concerns? If they are wrong at least its been debated.
When it comes to immigration don't believe everything you read in the Tabloids.
Italy, France etc. have far worse problems with illegal immigrants than the UK.
To say that this country is being taking over by ethnic groups is hogwash.

Fact:

Ethnic Groups in UK

White (of which English 83.6%, Scottish 8.6%, Welsh 4.9%, NI 2.9%) 92.1%, Black 2%, Indian 1.8%, Pakistani 1.3%, mixed 1.2% other 1.6% (2001 census)

Religions

Christian (Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 71.6%, Muslim 2.7%, Hindu 1%, other 1.6%, unspecified or none 23.1% (2001 census)

In 2011 we have a population growth rate of 0.557%
If you believe that the census figure have changed dramatically in 10 years you live in cloud cuckoo land.

Just as an attempt to level the playing field that Ricaboy and Clive (Evilc etc. etc.) have generated here. I will spout my "Left Wing crap" as you Tory agent provoceteurs would call it.
Firstly, The Tories began importing foreign labour into Britain around the time of the outbreak of the first world war. They were given mining jobs in an attempt to break the strikes that were rife at that time. Interestingly, A lot of Germany's aristocracy were living hand in glove with the British aristocracy right up to the week before we agreed to declare war on them!

In the early fifties, Enoch Powell (Tory) was responsible for opening the flood gates by inviting Black labour here "To do the jobs we didn't want!" In reality they were to cut the pay of the British worker and "Create a competitive market," Another term for the Tories 3 men chasing one job" This import of labour was bitterly opposed by both the Labour party and the Trades Unions.

The allowance of immigration increase by the Recent "Labour Government" (I would argue that term,) was mainly because of a common market directive.

You wonder why people still vote Labour, In about three years, come back and restate that. You obviously know nothing of your own history, especially in London.

You have believed Tory propoganda hook line and sinker. For that you are to pay a very high price. Unless of course you are part of that machine. Socialism introduced the National health system, openly admired by the rest of the world. They brought in a system that guaranteed that everybody would have a safety net under them, for the first time since the Robbing Barons siezed all the land and made us, the working class, their slaves. Read our history about the "Serfdom" system they introduced. When you get bored with that, read about "The lump" the most wicked labour selection system ever. The only hope I have is that the yardies now infesting our country, much as the right wing thieves do, will level the playing field. After all, they are very very good at their trade and look like being the "New money" here. They wil give us a better deal than the current lying thieves that are running this country!

Just everyone wait. It will only be a couple of years before BNP runs this country. People will get fed up with foreign scum in our country, and start voting for BNP.

"angryangel87 says...

As i said do gooders who haven't a clue, ladies and gentlemen perfect example."

I am interested in why you consider me a do gooder. I have said (in this thread) that I am for getting all lazy benefit scroungers who won't work out of the country.

I suspect that would actually have more impact than kicking out foreign nationals, not least because some of them are likely to be included in that group (along with home-grown wasters). That would leave us with a country of perople prepared to work and contribute, and people who would like to if they were able. Sounds like a nice place to me, and I expect there would be a good old mix of origins.

Wouldn't you like that too? If your odd thoughts turned out to be correct:

"angryangel87 says...

and when did i say that some foreigners aren't hard working. I'm glad you know the few that are."

then you would also get your wish by default. But somehow I doubt it. And I think you probably know that too.

A Polish worker went to work for a friend of mine's company as a van driver and turned it down as he gets £34k in benefits and the wages were half that. All you left wing blinkered idiots on here who are glad to subsidise foreign free loaders may be happy, I am not. And as regards to the African community I see them regularly enjoying the British culture...getting hammered in Hamlet Court Road. Welcome to benefits Britain. The MUGS of the world.

Again, it's about people not prepared to work. Not sure what difference it makes if the person is from the UK or Poland. Neither should be allowed to live here in that way.

BIRLIS wrote:
Again, it's about people not prepared to work. Not sure what difference it makes if the person is from the UK or Poland. Neither should be allowed to live here in that way.

How can you not be sure what difference it makes? We have enough layabouts of our own without importing them. Again what are other Governments doing. They are all very content to export the problem and as someone said earlier - we are MUGS.

So, f we have four people and can keep two and deport two, who would you deport?

1 - Hard working UK born
2 - Hard working Polish born
3 - Benefit scrounger UK born
4 - Benefit scrounger Polish born

I still think origin doesn't matter. Individual values are what count. In an ideal world 1 & 2 would stay, 3 & 4 would go.

Would you make that same choice? If not, what selection would you make?

So we need to help the economic migrants with cultural issues do we? Hope that means explaining to the Zimbabweans in Westcliff that in the UK we don't just go to the toiliet in the street. These people should never have been let into this country in the first place, the UK was a GREAT country in the 50's, 60's and 70's but now it's a pile of cr@p thanks to the politicians. No wonder most of my friends have left the UK to live in Spain, Oz, NZ etc, can't blame them.

I am not against immigrants either as individuals or as groups. I just feel that there are too many in the country, and also that we have created a system where there is very little expectation that immigrant/migrant groups should integrate into wider society. This is especially true in the part of London where I work where foreign colonies have been created.

The other day I passed a community centre where hundreds of Somalian ladies were spilling out after a meeting of some kind. All in black robes, all chatting in their native languages, most with a gaggle of kids at their sides. In what way can they possibly hope to integrate? I doubt that most of them even want to as they have their own community here in London. What do they care about English traditions and culture? I didn't see many of them wearing poppies last Sunday.

Most foreigners, encouraged by white liberals, are happy to remould England in their own image. I know because I see the results of it every day.

Yes, there was immigration to England in the past. However, it was mostly people like the Irish or the French who shared similar European cultures to the English and who could more easily assimilate. What we see now is divisive and dangerous.

What annoys me is that immigrant groups are basically put on a pedestal here in London. They can do no wrong and are above criticism. When they are involved in crime, as in the recent riots, they are always exonerated or treated as helpless victims. There is an implication that only white people can be racist, even though I have suffered racial abuse as a white man in London.

Liberals celebrate "diversity" but it's usually a diversity that excludes the "white British" (ie English.) Any attempts by us to assert our culture and identity are usually derided as racist or retrograde, whereas liberals fawn over minority groups.

Unfortunately, we have no one big enough in Parliment to say "enough is enough". We take the worlds people into this country and feed them, cloth them, house them all at our expense. When this is not enough they steal from us. I worked with the homeless in Southend for many years and yes some English families are a problem but no where near Eastern Europeans, Iranian and Iraqs. We have been made racist by the inability of the Government to contain and cap all imigrants into this country and they do get priority especially with housing and benefits with all the children they have. I work now with a lady from Poland who has told us that if we go to Poland we would get nothing. We have our own Pensioners in this country worked all their lives and cannot afford heating.............
.Sorry guys - we are a disgrace as a nation and until we all stand up a voice our opinions this is going to get worse. The Border Agency is a joke catching these people and then letting them go to report next week !!!!!!!! This country is finished.

Perhaps we've all had a spot of amnesia, or maybe we are simply choosing to ignore our history, but much of the foundations of our country are not as glorious as we may like to believe. As much as we romanticise our history, we have a huge role, perhaps the biggest role, in global bloodshed and murder. Colonialism across the world, oppression of the masses, slavery of hundreds and thousands of people, to mention but a few examples. Many of these countries we have essentially destroyed are now in a situation of recovery. Immigrants from places such as the Indian subcontinent, or countries within Africa, have come here, and many of them of are hardworking and integrating, they're also very grateful to be here. Many of these immigrants have also fought and died for our country in both world wars.

Also immigrants from Iraq? Considering we have played a massive role in the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of people over the past decade, do you not think we have a responsibility to aid those in need?

There are churches, synagogues, temples, other places of worship all over the world in countries where there is a large majority religion. England is not the only multi cultural nation.

Of course the British Empire wasn't all glorious. But there are several reasons why that fact doesn't give us a divine obligation to keep on accepting vast numbers of people from around the world, many of who are from "failed states."

1: Two wrongs don't make a right. If British colonisation was wrong why is it acceptable for our country to be colonised (albeit not in a military way?) If past colonisation was responsible for so many problems that we face today, why are we meekly allowing the "third world" to colonise our land.

2: Nobody who is alive today is personally responsible for the British Empire. Making the generations of the present and future bear the shoulder of guilt is akin to blaming the Russians of today for Stalin's purges, or the Germans for Hitler.

3: Colonisation wasn't all bad. In fact a recent poll in Jamaica showed that the majority of Jamaicans believe that their country was better off under British rule. The British built the infrastructure that brought these countries into the modern world, which is still used today. The fact that many of these countries have become basket cases is more down to the inability of their peoples to manage the complex burden of running a modern country.

4: Many people of the colonies fought and struggled to be free from British rule. Isn't it ironic that as soon as they got their freedom many of them headed to the country whose rule they had just shaken off?

5: The ordinary peoples of Britain suffered poverty and hardship whilst the elite went off on their colonial adventures. They served as little more than cannon fodder in imperial wars.

6: I believe that England is the last "colony" of the UK, because unlike Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the English are force-fed a "British" identity with little encouragement to celebrate our acknowledge that they are part of an historic nation called England, not a political construct like the UK that is past its sell by date.

There is not a single successful multi-cultural nation in history. Even the USA is hopelessly divided on ethnic and cultural lines. We could end up with a Balkan-style conflict in England if present trends continue.

PC brainwashing is used to try and get people to accept the failed multicultural experiment.

Yes we should welcome individual immigrants on a limited scale, but what has gone on has been a deliberate deception and amounts to social engineering on a massive scale that is simply unsustainable.

Most immigrants (and this is from my own experience) are loyal to a multicultural British state but are quite happy for it to replace the old European nation of England that it was built upon. Many immigrants that I know still retain a loyalty to their country of origin.

I read a report about a young rapper from East London. "Where are you from?" "Nigeria originally, but I was born and grew up in Hackney." England probably meant nothing to him, but it's precious to me. To some people it's just a place they can use and abuse for their own ends. But it's my country and generations of my family lived here. It's precious to me and I don't just want to see it swamped with people who want to make it just like the places they came from.

Who is romanticising the past? Actions have to be taken to deal with the problems of today and these problems need to be looked at without your PC tinted glasses.
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"we have a huge role, perhaps the biggest role, in global bloodshed and murder. Colonialism across the world, oppression of the masses, slavery of hundreds and thousands of people, to mention but a few examples. "
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If this is being taught in school then god help us! It is absolute rubbish: eg-

China (human rights)
Burma (human rights)
Syria (Assad murdering protesters)
Iraq (genocides under Saddam)
Uganda (Idi Amin's genocide)
Zimbabwe (35 years on Mugabe is still blaming UK for the state of his county! - oh, and mass murder)
Cambodia (Pol Pot)
Rwanda (Genocide)
Sudan (Dharfur Genocide)
This list of tin pot despots who have destroyed their own county (without our involvement) is nearly endless. Where have you got your warped version of history from?
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Slavery? - Oh, please - this is the 21st century.
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"Immigrants from places such as the Indian subcontinent, or countries within Africa, have come here, and many of them of are hardworking and integrating, they're also very grateful to be here. Many of these immigrants have also fought and died for our country in both world wars."
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While that much is true i expect these people have a much better knowledge of exactly what they are leaving behind than you have. In the case of India, you forgot to mention that we gave them the basis of their legal system and their transport infastructure.
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Iraq - yes we did play a part in removing Saddam and it was the right thing to do. Would you prefer we left him there to keep himself busy gassing the Kurds? I don't hear any Libyans complaining about part in removing Gadaffi either.
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If you Google "Failed state colonization" you'll find an article on various websites which is very thought provoking.

blooming Romans - coming over here and pinching all our woad.

BIRLIS wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

BIRLIS wrote: If some peope feel that it is all bad here now, and that it's all down to foreigners joining us, perhaps it is time those people left for another country and stopped moaning!

Im sure you said as much on the Dale Farm threads!

No, I didn't. I fully supported the shutting down of the illegal camp. I still think that the biggest threat o this country's future is the home-grown, white trash chavs which seem to be everywhere. Perhaps we should operate an exchange process - one person in and one sub-human chav out?

You dont think that some might consider you one of the chav's?

Can't imagine why they would.

26 years in constant employment, home owner, smartly dressed, educated, polite, can actually use real words, self sufficient, contribute to society...

Oh, and no Staffie.... ;o)

I don't really tick any Chav boxes...

But, I guess there is always that chance!

Perhaps your comments on here might elevate you into the chave sphere. Not all football hooligans were working class.

BIRLIS wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

BIRLIS wrote: If some peope feel that it is all bad here now, and that it's all down to foreigners joining us, perhaps it is time those people left for another country and stopped moaning!

Im sure you said as much on the Dale Farm threads!

No, I didn't. I fully supported the shutting down of the illegal camp. I still think that the biggest threat o this country's future is the home-grown, white trash chavs which seem to be everywhere. Perhaps we should operate an exchange process - one person in and one sub-human chav out?

You dont think that some might consider you one of the chav's?

Can't imagine why they would.

26 years in constant employment, home owner, smartly dressed, educated, polite, can actually use real words, self sufficient, contribute to society...

Oh, and no Staffie.... ;o)

I don't really tick any Chav boxes...

But, I guess there is always that chance!

Perhaps your comments on here might elevate you into the chave sphere. Not all football hooligans were working class.

ADucksQuack wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

ADucksQuack wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

ADucksQuack wrote:
Cue a hundred or more comments from this website's resident xenophobes.

Strange, i didn't see any posts from you in regards to Dale farm and the racial attacks on every single thread. They are an ethic minority! But benefit of the doubt, you might not be aware of the DF issue. Im sure there are four or five in the country who havent.

The Irish are not an ethnic minority. Choice of abode does not equal 'ethnicity'.

The "Travellers" (term placed on them by society in the 50s) are an ethnic minority. Protected under the race relations act.

Wrong. The ROMA are an ethnic minority. The Irish are not.

Choosing to live in a caravan does not confer ethnic minority status.

You are giving your opinion as fact. The Pavee (Irish Traveller) are an ethnic minority! Of course living in a caravan doesn't confer that, the fact that they are considered a EM shows there are other factors taken into account.

Perhaps this might help the research you have obviously undertaken before you made your comments.

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/thi
s-britain/irish-trav
ellers-gain-legal-st
atus-of-ethnic-minor
ity-710768.html

Alekhine wrote:

NightnDay wrote:

Alekhine wrote: No enthnic minority is entitled to break planning law. It ran the full legal course and they LOST. - Try to keep up with current events old chap. This string isn't about DF. .

I now its isn't about DF but it is relevant. It hasn't run its full legal course just yet..in fact cases are coming out of it every day. BTW there are people living on the 'illegal' part of DF so "they" lost is quite true. BUT the point i was making to one or two on here is, While they have come on here to comment on this thread re: non white ethic minorities, they were very quiet when a white ethic minority was being racially abused. Make of that what you will. But it doesn't spell out consistency!

That's a matter of opinion.
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To most people DF was simply a planning dispute so i can't see any inconsistency in the above comments. Ofcourse, it suits some left wing political types to turn it into a race issue.
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I'll still maintain a lifestyle is not a race. What about the white ethnic majority living in houses near DF. Were they all racist against their own race?
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If the legal farce is still going on, i can guess who is paying for it.

If racist remars are mad then it is racism is it not? As for the people of DF not being a race...They are an Ethnic minority and add to this.."Race is classification of humans into large and distinct populations or groups by factors such as heritable phenotypic characteristics or geographic ancestry, but also often influenced by and correlated with traits such as appearance, culture, ethnicity, and socio-economic status" We could go right down the line till we get to there is only one race...The human race. Race isn't defined by colour which you seem to be suggesting. Could a British white man be guilty of racism against a White south african man?

Any way the point i was trying to make was, there are some on here now posting about comments made against non- white ethnic minorities but they were deadly silent while a white ethic minority was being racially abuse. This could suggest the ethnicity of people isn't a concern for them just colour!

If racist remars are mad then it is racism is it not? As for the people of DF not being a race...They are an Ethnic minority and add to this.."Race is classification of humans into large and distinct populations or groups by factors such as heritable phenotypic characteristics or geographic ancestry, but also often influenced by and correlated with traits such as appearance, culture, ethnicity, and socio-economic status" We could go right down the line till we get to there is only one race...The human race. Race isn't defined by colour which you seem to be suggesting. Could a British white man be guilty of racism against a White south african man?

Any way the point i was trying to make was, there are some on here now posting about comments made against non- white ethnic minorities but they were deadly silent while a white ethic minority was being racially abuse. This could suggest the ethnicity of people isn't a concern for them just colour!

BIRLIS wrote:
So, f we have four people and can keep two and deport two, who would you deport?

1 - Hard working UK born
2 - Hard working Polish born
3 - Benefit scrounger UK born
4 - Benefit scrounger Polish born

I still think origin doesn't matter. Individual values are what count. In an ideal world 1 & 2 would stay, 3 & 4 would go.

Would you make that same choice? If not, what selection would you make?

When the work on the Olympic site finishes, the zloty will take a big fall.

NightnDay you Irish travellers are not a seperate racial group, you just managed to fool a few of the bleedin hearts in Brussels, you lot are just the dregs of Irish society who couldn't cope with the system so you ended up in caravans. If you're really a seperate racial group where is your genetic evidence? And don't give us that seperate traveller culture rubbish either, the only difference in our cultures is that yours is chavvy low life ignore-all-the-rules
-and-cheat-all-you-c
an, which is no culture at all. Like all the other racial groups that have come here with no intention of assimilating, you should never have been let in, you don't belong here, and the sooner you get the message the better.

now tell us something we dont know!! weve been saying this for years....

Just to get back to the original subject...I've known John Barber for years and I'd listen carefully, to anything he says...he speaks with authority and experience

Excitation wrote:
NightnDay you Irish travellers are not a seperate racial group, you just managed to fool a few of the bleedin hearts in Brussels, you lot are just the dregs of Irish society who couldn't cope with the system so you ended up in caravans. If you're really a seperate racial group where is your genetic evidence? And don't give us that seperate traveller culture rubbish either, the only difference in our cultures is that yours is chavvy low life ignore-all-the-rules

-and-cheat-all-you-c

an, which is no culture at all. Like all the other racial groups that have come here with no intention of assimilating, you should never have been let in, you don't belong here, and the sooner you get the message the better.

Oh i see, These people managed to fool people who are experts in anthropology so perhaps other ethnic minorities did the same.. fooled these well educated qualified people, or so according to you who knows more than experts! Anything else you are more knowledgeable than experts at? Should Hawkins be concerned?


Do you have any proof that Pavee's are Irish etc etc...?

A recent documentary (Blood of the Travellers) which dealt with Traveller DNA, showed that Travellers had a strand of DNA which was unique to the world...no other race had the same!

As for the rest of your BNP inspired rubbish. Pavee people have been here for over 1,600 years..The Gypsy for 500. It could be they were here before your breed whatever that is. It has been proven that racists are psychologically flawed. As for chavvy, your post actually screams weed smoking , cheap booze quaffing, scummy chavism. It certainly the post of a rational fair minded decent human being who recognises all races and cultures as brothers and sisters in one race...the human race!

Taxpayingidiot wrote:
Birlis in answer to your question it's because other countries have a policy which doesnt allow us to just turn up empty handed and claim more rights than the locals, this is not about colour or race this is about the structure of this country, if these immagrants are tax paying individuals then they contribute and in my eyes have every right to stay and make a life for themselves but the truth is the majority of them just want hand outs.

They need to abide by our laws or be returned, they need to treat this country with respect or be returned they especially need to learn when bin day is and stop putting bin bags out any time they dam well please, They need to learn how to drive by gaining a British license and most of all embrace our culture and our language and stop segregated themselves from the communities.

If what you say are truths then you will have no problem showing us the evidence you based your strongly worded statement on?

Several questions for you;

1) What 'other countries' immigration policy do you know about and what are they?

2) Who has more rights than the locals and in what way?

3) What do you know about the structure of our country that you mention?

4) How do you know the personal situation and thinking of so many individuals you have never met?

5) What is our 'culture' exactly?

6) I don't like ending on an odd number.

perini wrote:

soeffinwhat wrote:
I agree, send all immigrants, asylumseekers and economic migrants home and return with all the English/British from Spain, Portugal, Australia or where ever they are. It is not an ex-pat if you are a Brit abroad and an immigrant if you are a foreigner in Britain. Get real, you are immigrants out there as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

soeffinwhat.
You'll probably find that those expats, apart from never writing on these boards, had to prove to those countries that they had the means to support themselves before even being allowed entrance. Unlike the UK with its doors wide open policy and giving larger hand outs to those that have never paid in as opposed to those that have and temporarily fallen on hard times. I think there should be no hand outs for immigrants until they've paid in for a couple of years - financial migrants will then be encouraged to arrive with means of supporting themselves right from the start - oh yes! That's what nearly ALL other countries do!!

Er, except it isn't. What do you think about 18 year old using public services and benefits they haven't paid into?

Ricayboy wrote:
By the way, the Labour government deliberately let in all these immigrants so that the very social make up of the nation would be changed and so that they would all vote Labour. The Labour Party consists of traitors and liars who care nothing for ordinary people, yet the sheeple of Britain keep wasting their votes on them.

Really, then why does it take so long and you have to go through the process of becoming a citizen before you can vote then?

May I suggest you revisit your evidence that you have based this incorrect statement on?

al coniston wrote:
i cannot believe that as an island, we are unable to deter the influx of parasites to the UK - i'm not a racist, but it doesn't take an idiot to start realising why the NHS and benefits system is at breaking point ! I am far from happy taxes from my hard earned salary is used to support many people who are too bloody lazy to support themselves and who are totally abusing the generosity of this once great land.

The NHS only survives through immigrant labour.

Ricayboy wrote:

soeffinwhat wrote:

Ricayboy wrote:
I work in Lambeth in London amongst black youth. I can tell you categorically that minorities are put on a pedestal here in London to a fanatical extent. They receive so much help and are encouraged to celebrate their identity at every level. The white English "community" is fragmented and dispersed with nobody to champion their cause except groups like the BNP. Despite the fact that in many London boroughs white English people are a minority in schools and elsewhere, black people and other minorities are constantly given special attention, with Black History Month being widely promoted. The few remaining whites are not encouraged to take any pride in their culture or identity. The official PC line is to celebrate the massive "contribution" that migrants and immigrants have made to our society, whilst nobody remembers the group that made the biggest contribution of all, the white English and to a lesser extent the Welsh, Irish and Scottish. As a result, English kids are like ghosts, rootless and without a culture of their own. The very idea of English ethnicity and culture is mocked and derided and we are all supposed to buy into the idea of a multicultural "Britishness" even though this is only promoted in England alone. I for one value my English identity and see England as my homeland. The usual nasty comments about us being a mongrel nation with no real culture of our own are PC propaganda. We are no more of a mix than any other nation, but even if we were it would not mean that we have an obligation to keep on adding to that mix or handing our country away on a plate to people who don't give a monkey's about it. People need to be aware that there are liberals in this country who will not be content until every Cotswold village has the same ethnic and cultural mix as Brixton. According to them, nothing can ever compensate for the injustices committed by the British in the past. The British, and more specifically the English, must be blamed for everything. The reason the BNP and EDL exist is because NOBODY stands for the rights of English/British people to preserve their historic way of life. This breeds racism and resentment. Not everybody believes in a one-world, PC multicultural utopia.

Oops, sorry, that touched a nerve. Just wanted to think about the British Commonwealth, was that not adding to the mix at all?? Sure you do not mean that the colonialistic approact to the rest of the world should be the birthright of the British. What about the non-white but British who might have been living here for decades, even centuries. Where would you like to put them. I believe that everyone regardless of their background must work for their own keep and to the good of the society, the society as a whole, not a labeled fraction of it.

Sure the Commonwealth is one source of immigration. But because of our past misdemeanours it doesn't mean we have an eternal obligation to keep on accepting incomers. My generation was born in the 1980s and we are not responsible for colonisation. Don't forget that ordinary English people suffered poverty at home as the British elite enjoyed their colonial adventures. Don't forget also that many of these countries fought tooth and nail to be free of British rule, yet as soon as they got independence many of their people headed over to Britain in droves.

The fact is that before the 1950s England was a remarkably homogeneous country with only a few localised immigrant communities. The few major immigrant influxes in history were mostly Europeans with a similar culture and ethnicity to native English people, so they were able to integrate and assimilate within a few generations. Even if you look at photos and films of London in the 1960s, people of obvious ethnic origin are conspicuous by their absence.

Today inner London is so mixed that there is no longer a core group for immigrants to integrate into. Multiculturalism aims to unite an impossibly fragmented society by encouraging immigrants to maintain as many cultural trappings of their own cultures as possible. This creates hostility and division between rival groups who have very little social interaction, and this is exactly what we have in London.

Nobody is against a limited immigrant population. They are welcome as long as they recognise that England has its own culture and native people, as does Scotland, Wales and so on. Mass immigration changes society and weakens and divides it as I have witnessed with my own eyes.

To get people to accept mass immigration the elites have devised as system of PC brainwashing aimed at cowing English people to accept colonisation of their country. Anyone who raises a voice in protest is branded a racist and a pariah. Multiculturalism is given the status of a holy cow that must never ever be criticised.

The fact is that in many areas white/English people are in a minority. But unlike other groups they have a psychological disadvantage. They have no collective communal voice amongst the myriad of ethnic and cultural groups in England. Their legitimacy and right to exist as a distinct community is derided and ignored. They are made to bear the guilt of supposed past crimes and are manipulated into holding an inferiority complex. Any time they assert themselves as a community they are smeared with the racism tag.

Compared to this, immigrant groups are self confident and proud, knowing that the British elite, most of the media and the EU are on their side.

"The fact is that before the 1950s England was a remarkably homogeneous country with only a few localised immigrant communities. The few major immigrant influxes in history were mostly Europeans with a similar culture and ethnicity to native English people, so they were able to integrate and assimilate within a few generations. Even if you look at photos and films of London in the 1960s, people of obvious ethnic origin are conspicuous by their absence."

I love it when ignorance is displayed so publicly.

As for your minority comment about White English (why White?) here's some indication of your margin of error.

2001 census, White British 85.67%
Overall White 91%

I am White and born in England and I have none of the psychological scars or lack of self esteem or sense of culture that you have attributed to me without asking me.

margrete wrote:

Ricayboy wrote:
I work in Lambeth in London amongst black youth. I can tell you categorically that minorities are put on a pedestal here in London to a fanatical extent. They receive so much help and are encouraged to celebrate their identity at every level. The white English "community" is fragmented and dispersed with nobody to champion their cause except groups like the BNP. Despite the fact that in many London boroughs white English people are a minority in schools and elsewhere, black people and other minorities are constantly given special attention, with Black History Month being widely promoted. The few remaining whites are not encouraged to take any pride in their culture or identity. The official PC line is to celebrate the massive "contribution" that migrants and immigrants have made to our society, whilst nobody remembers the group that made the biggest contribution of all, the white English and to a lesser extent the Welsh, Irish and Scottish. As a result, English kids are like ghosts, rootless and without a culture of their own.
The very idea of English ethnicity and culture is mocked and derided and we are all supposed to buy into the idea of a multicultural "Britishness" even though this is only promoted in England alone. I for one value my English identity and see England as my homeland. The usual nasty comments about us being a mongrel nation with no real culture of our own are PC propaganda. We are no more of a mix than any other nation, but even if we were it would not mean that we have an obligation to keep on adding to that mix or handing our country away on a plate to people who don't give a monkey's about it.
People need to be aware that there are liberals in this country who will not be content until every Cotswold village has the same ethnic and cultural mix as Brixton. According to them, nothing can ever compensate for the injustices committed by the British in the past. The British, and more specifically the English, must be blamed for everything.
The reason the BNP and EDL exist is because NOBODY stands for the rights of English/British people to preserve their historic way of life. This breeds racism and resentment. Not everybody believes in a one-world, PC multicultural utopia.

I wrote this to the 'Echo' after reading this in Friday's 'Echo'. I headed it: 'Not outspoken enough'.

"Christine Sexton's report (Echo, Friday) says 'An outspoken councillor claims white British people are being ignored as a result of efforts to help Southend's ethnic minorities'.

This is the reported view of Councillor Ian Robertson of Chalkwell. His comments are described as 'outspoken'.

I would submit: they are not outspoken enough.

The words that are missing from Christine Sexton's report are 'England' and 'the English'.

To remind her, the English are the indigenous people who live in this part of Essex. They settled here after the Romans left, therefore they and their descendants have lived here for a millennium and a half. They can be described as 'white'. They only became 'British' following the Act of Union with Scotland of 1707, but they are still here. They don't get anything like the consideration and the resources that more recent arrivals get.

To state such views is usually to invite the appellation 'racist', which is
a convenient label with very wide applications, especially where the matter of skin colour is raised.

When last I looked, Chalkwell Ward, Southend-on-Sea and the rest of Essex, were all part of that ancient and proud land called England, peopled by the English, a race to which I am proud to state that I belong."

"To remind her, the English are the indigenous people who live in this part of Essex. They settled here after the Romans left,"

So you are saying the Romans were more indigenous than the English in Essex?

Ricayboy wrote:

margrete wrote:

Ricayboy wrote:
I work in Lambeth in London amongst black youth. I can tell you categorically that minorities are put on a pedestal here in London to a fanatical extent. They receive so much help and are encouraged to celebrate their identity at every level. The white English "community" is fragmented and dispersed with nobody to champion their cause except groups like the BNP. Despite the fact that in many London boroughs white English people are a minority in schools and elsewhere, black people and other minorities are constantly given special attention, with Black History Month being widely promoted. The few remaining whites are not encouraged to take any pride in their culture or identity. The official PC line is to celebrate the massive "contribution" that migrants and immigrants have made to our society, whilst nobody remembers the group that made the biggest contribution of all, the white English and to a lesser extent the Welsh, Irish and Scottish. As a result, English kids are like ghosts, rootless and without a culture of their own.
The very idea of English ethnicity and culture is mocked and derided and we are all supposed to buy into the idea of a multicultural "Britishness" even though this is only promoted in England alone. I for one value my English identity and see England as my homeland. The usual nasty comments about us being a mongrel nation with no real culture of our own are PC propaganda. We are no more of a mix than any other nation, but even if we were it would not mean that we have an obligation to keep on adding to that mix or handing our country away on a plate to people who don't give a monkey's about it.
People need to be aware that there are liberals in this country who will not be content until every Cotswold village has the same ethnic and cultural mix as Brixton. According to them, nothing can ever compensate for the injustices committed by the British in the past. The British, and more specifically the English, must be blamed for everything.
The reason the BNP and EDL exist is because NOBODY stands for the rights of English/British people to preserve their historic way of life. This breeds racism and resentment. Not everybody believes in a one-world, PC multicultural utopia.

I wrote this to the 'Echo' after reading this in Friday's 'Echo'. I headed it: 'Not outspoken enough'.

"Christine Sexton's report (Echo, Friday) says 'An outspoken councillor claims white British people are being ignored as a result of efforts to help Southend's ethnic minorities'.

This is the reported view of Councillor Ian Robertson of Chalkwell. His comments are described as 'outspoken'.

I would submit: they are not outspoken enough.

The words that are missing from Christine Sexton's report are 'England' and 'the English'.

To remind her, the English are the indigenous people who live in this part of Essex. They settled here after the Romans left, therefore they and their descendants have lived here for a millennium and a half. They can be described as 'white'. They only became 'British' following the Act of Union with Scotland of 1707, but they are still here. They don't get anything like the consideration and the resources that more recent arrivals get.

To state such views is usually to invite the appellation 'racist', which is
a convenient label with very wide applications, especially where the matter of skin colour is raised.

When last I looked, Chalkwell Ward, Southend-on-Sea and the rest of Essex, were all part of that ancient and proud land called England, peopled by the English, a race to which I am proud to state that I belong."

Yes indeed. I can't see the appeal of the "British" identity which is a false political construct and which is moribund and fading. The vast majority of Scots and Welsh don't care anything for it so why should we? They are rightly proud and protective of their own cultures and identities.

Most English people can't make a distinction between England and Britain but this has not served us well. The "Britain" that our current elite promotes is a multicultural, multi-ethnic region of the EU superstate, supposedly with no real native culture of its own. The very idea of Englishness is mocked and derided by traitors with their own agendas.

Nobody is talking about xenophobia or racism. We simply wish to preserve the precious aspects of our culture. As I have witnessed in London, the more people of foreign origin who live in an area, the less English it becomes in character. Many parts of London and our cities now resemble foreign countries. There is a perception that our LibLabCon elite wish that the awkward concept of England and the idea of an English nation would fade away quietly.

I know, bloody Yanks, Aussies, Kiwis and South Africans!

"The very idea of Englishness is mocked and derided by traitors with their own agendas. Nobody is talking about xenophobia or racism. We simply wish to preserve the precious aspects of our culture"

Which are?

its only fair wrote:
well the taxs are going up and the standard of living is falling ..the pot is nearly empty and the gov are scraping out every last drop!!the reason is down to all the foriegners we let in none of them pay into the system but take out ! if we went to their country they wouldnt feed cloth and shelter us ! how can anyone take the gov serious about trying to pay back debt when we let in thousands of people every day this island is close to sinking ! the gov need to wake up close our borders and send home all illegals and foriegn non workers if they dont put in get out we aint a charity ! the homes should be for the british people and so should the jobs any left over then we can let foriegners have them we should look after our people first ! all this political correctness is taking away our identity and our history enough is enough next ellection its bnp for me call me racial call me what you like but i want my kids to grow up in their own country not some multi culture mixing pot where were second best !!!

The BNP will be bankrupt by the next election and they constantly fail to file their accounts making them a party that acts illegally.

Now, from reading your anti Traveller sentiments based purely (according to you) on the legality of the situation I hope to read the post of your denouncing the BNP.

It could be a long wait, lol.

1nails wrote:
All this,"hoohaa", by all you people who are full of good ideas, but dont say what you really mean. Come on and say it. Like me.. I, am, a racist, and I would like to see all the foeigners in this lovely country of ours, SENT BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM. Barring none. !!!!!

Then given our 100% immigrant history there would be no one living here unless you think this country was the cradle of mankind and not Africa.

whataday wrote:
When you're treated less favourablly in your own country to so called ethnic minorities that take over areas it breeds resentment which in turn gets to breaking point and becomes racism. If people have become racist its probably the fault of the overboad PC brigade

Nothing like a bit of lack of personal responsibility.

soeffinwhat wrote:
I rest my case with this article:
"A mother who lived the high life in the sun for five years while claiming thousands in UK benefits has been jailed.

Debbie Williamson splashed out on a villa with a swimming pool in Spain and deposited £30,000 into a Spanish bank while pocketing the benefits, Sheffield Crown Court heard.
The 45-year-old from Barnsley, then 'lied and lied and lied' when authorities launched an investigation.
Jailed: Debbie Williamson, 45, of Barnsley, splashed out on the villa and deposited £30,000 into a Spanish bank while claiming benefits, Sheffield Crown Court heard
The court was told how she had insisted she was not living full time in Spain, prolonging the probe into her circumstances.

During her time in Spain she falsely claimed £41,800: £28,558 from income support from the Department of Work and Pensions; £11,142 in housing benefit and £2,100 in council tax benefits from Barnsley Council from 2003 to 2008.

Oliver Thorne, prosecuting, said Williamson successfully applied for income support in March 2003 and bought her property in Valencia just two months later - calling it Villa Jessica after her daughter who was then 13.
The DWP launched an inquiry after an anonymous tip off claiming Williamson was living in Spain with husband Ian and running a bar.

High life: Williamson had denied living in Spain but was discovered to have built a villa in Valencia, similar to the one in this file picture
She never bothered to notify the authorities of her change in circumstances, the court heard.
Williamson was arrested in January 2009 and declared she had never lived in Spain and that her daughter went to primary school in the UK.

But she had made regular cash withdrawals in Spain and booked numerous flights to Spain for her family.

It was then established she owned the plot of land in Valencia containing a single-storey villa with swimming pool.
Spanish school records confirmed her daughter had been educated in Spain.
Records from the girl's school in England showed she had been taken out of the school in March 2004 because he family was 'emigrating to Spain'.

The court was told Williamson, who admitted 10 counts of fraudulently obtaining benefits and sobbed during the hearing, had only repaid £45.

She was jailed for 18 months.
Recorder of Sheffield Judge Alan Goldsack QC said: 'There you were enjoying yourself in Spain while people here were having tax taken off them which was going to fund your lifestyle.

'The immediate victims were Barnsley Council and the DWP but the real victims, of course, are your fellow citizens.

'For five years until the authorities were tipped off, you were claiming benefits you were not entitled to.

'For most of that period you were actually living in Spain. It seems unlikely any of this money will be recovered for the taxpayers.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail

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what exactly is this case you are resting, the fact that a fraudster who lied and cheated got caught, convicted and jailed?

Kim Gandy wrote:
I am a victim of cheap foreign labour... I know what I am talking about, having been on the receiving end so do NOT try to argue with me

It seems you have been personally affected by every right wing target known to man.

Saying "do not try to argue with me" isn't really an argument clincher.

"There really are some do gooding idiots out there aren't there. "

Yes and no.

"Why is it there are still people walking around with there eyes shut!!"

Eye injuries?

"some one said earlier about illegals not being able to claim, yeah right! if this is so true why aren't our streets littered with illegals."

Do they wear t-shirts saying I'm an illegal round your way? The clue is in the title, illegal. Why would an illegal immigrant wish to announce themselves to the government by trying to claim benefits? Maybe if they are as stupid as you.

"I have always been taught to treat people the way i would like to be treated,"

You must be a sado masochist.

"until this happens i am completely against all the foreigners slowly but surely taking over this little island."

Read that again, it's fcuking hilarious, lol. You can't even use your native language properly. Until you treat others as you would like to be treated yourself you are going to be against all foreigners, lol.

"when i can go to iraq and ask for a Christian church, and get it, "

Er, we own the country, lol. We bombed the sh1t out of them and plundered their assets.

By the way, take a gander at this list of Christian churches in Iraq, lol.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/List_of_chu
rches_and_monasterie
s_in_Nineveh

"when i can burn one of there flags or burn a statue of allah without them getting peed off. "

A statue of Allah, lol. You just keep giving and giving, ha-ha.

We burned their cities and their citizens along with their flags.

"i may be more respectful of there needs."

The bookies won't give me any worthwhile odds I'm afraid.

"why do we have to bowel down to other people's cultures"

Pure comedy genius, pmsl!

"in our own country and not be able to express ours along the way without being pegged a racist."

I find you offensive and I'm a racist!

"i'm sorry but we are well past being the majority we are now the minority."

Don't be silly, there are millions of thick people that talk out of their ar5es.

I wonder how many out of the 91% White majority of the UK fall into this category?

"i would not care if they wanted to be here, but they don't, they hate us."

It is true, there are many a Premiership immigrant taking the pi55 out of English footballers on a weekly basis.

" i would be respectful enough if i moved somewhere, "

Really, lol?

"to learn the language and respect what religion they are."

You haven't even mastered your own language and this is a secular country.

"its all one sided and we are trapped and living like crap!!! and paying for people who don't even like it here"

People like you by the sound of it, I love living in the UK.

"just like being able to walk all over us. and yes i too blame tony blair faced liar. this anger will continue to boil amongst us British, and all i can say is it wont end well. i am disappointed my son has to live in this world."

I'm also disappointed for your son. Poor bu66er! ; )

its only fair
i recall you telling us all that you come from jamaica, perhaps you should go back there

NightnDay wrote:
If racist remars are mad then it is racism is it not? As for the people of DF not being a race...They are an Ethnic minority and add to this.."Race is classification of humans into large and distinct populations or groups by factors such as heritable phenotypic characteristics or geographic ancestry, but also often influenced by and correlated with traits such as appearance, culture, ethnicity, and socio-economic status" We could go right down the line till we get to there is only one race...The human race. Race isn't defined by colour which you seem to be suggesting. Could a British white man be guilty of racism against a White south african man? Any way the point i was trying to make was, there are some on here now posting about comments made against non- white ethnic minorities but they were deadly silent while a white ethic minority was being racially abuse. This could suggest the ethnicity of people isn't a concern for them just colour!

Well i'd better reply or risk being damned for remaining silent.
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Race is classification of humans into large and distinct populations or groups by factors such as heritable phenotypic characteristics or geographic ancestry, but also often influenced by and correlated with traits such as appearance, culture, ethnicity, and socio-economic status"
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Did this quote come from the same people who brought us the strait banana and the definition of the jaffa cake?
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"We could go right down the line till we get to there is only one race...The human race. "
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At last some sense! - Given that there is less than 2% genetic difference between a man and a chimp it is entirely possible at some stage in the future for science to tell us that race is all in our imagination. What that will mean is nobody will receive special treatment under race law and nobody will be able to make a racist comment. The country will finally be free of Labour party thought control - roll on. However, the cherry will be all the activists suddenly finding themselves unemployed.
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"Could a British white man be guilty of racism against a White south african man? "
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Prejudice yes, racism no.
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Back in the real world where nature insists that race does exist, i am wondering how the DF travellers can consider themselves a different race to the rest of the white southern Irish ethnics? Do they change race when they but a caravan?
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ADucksQuack wrote:
Cue a hundred or more comments from this website's resident xenophobes.

Told you.

Some interesting comments. What I don't understand is why liberals tend to question the validity of a distinct English nation when they would never think to apply the same test to the Polish, the Scottish, the Pakistanis or whoever.

I am English. My culture (however you define it) is English. I am part of an historic community and nation called the English whose homeland is a place called England. England currently happens to be part of a state called the United Kingdom, but I feel little loyalty to that state.

If you want me to define English culture, then I'll ask you to define Scottish or Polish or Irish Traveller culture. It's not easy to define any culture precisely according to set criteria. However, there are certain trappings and a certain instinctive feeling of distinctiveness that are usually associated with a particular culture.

What is modern Scottish culture? Tossing cabers and eating porridge oats? That may be a traditional or stereotypical view of Scottish culture, but it doesn't reflect the daily reality of Scottish life for most people. What makes Scottish people Scottish is an almost tribal feeling of belonging to an historical community, and it's the same for every nation.

We have a mental image of what certain people groups and cultures look like. When I think of a Scotsman, I don't immediately think of an Asian running an Indian restaurant in Glasgow. I could emigrate to China, but I would never be fully accepted as Chinese no matter how hard I try.

If you take the civic nationalist view then everybody living in England is English regardless of their culture and ethnicity. That must mean that the local Sikh temple or Jamaican restaurant is just as "English" as anything else. However, if you take this inclusive view then the Costa Del Sol with its British bars and chip shops is just as "Spanish" as the rest of Spain, which is clearly ludicrous. Spain has its own culture and so does England, however you want to define it.

The immigrant communities in England tend to band together in geographical enclaves. In many cases they find it expedient and convenient to retain many trappings of their native cultures and pass these on to their descendants. These people care very little if the English identity of an area is eroded.

When I compare where I work in south London to parts of Essex where I grew up, there's an enormous difference. Essex still feels like an English area because it is mostly populated by English people. If it experienced a large influx of foreign immigrants the character of the place would be changed and it would simply feel different, just as Scotland would if few Scottish people lived there. I don't go the Costa and sit in an English pub talking to English ex-pats and think that I'm enjoying Spanish culture with Spanish people.


The problem is that in many cities the sense of a culturally homogeneous community has been removed. What we are left with is a whole myriad of competing ethnic "communities" who all fight for a slice of an ever-decreasing pie.

Because white British people, and the English in particular, have been slow to react to the changes and therefore have little communal identity. For them, the idea that they are just one other ethnic group in a multicultural rainbow is quite hard to fathom. They are therefore less likely to form organisations that fight for their rights and celebrate their communal identity than other ethnic groups, and because of this they are sidelined and ignored.

Yes, the nation of England was formed by the Anglo-Saxons who came from across the sea. Yes, there was some Norman and Viking influence. That's all immaterial though. For nearly a thousand years the English nation experience just a few big waves of immigration. These immigrants were mostly Europeans whose culture and ethnicity differed little from the English. The idea that England was somehow always multicultural is a liberal myth intended to soften people up to the idea of mass immigration.

The difference was that even if there were isolated groups of foreigners living in England in the past, there was very much an awareness that the core nation was the English and their culture was seen as the national one. The difference with multiculturalism is that it no longer recognises the English as the core "host" culture of England and encourages immigrants to retain their foreign identity.

If you go far enough back then all humans are related. That doesn't mean that we should therefore mix up all the nations and cultures of the world. The world would be a poorer place for it.

Name me any European that is "ethnically pure" or which hasn't experience immigration or invasion? The Romans were everywhere in Europe. It doesn't mean that nations are not legitimate because there were foreign invasions back in ancient times, long before modern nation states were created.

It is a well known fact that large scale, methodical immigration to Britain began in the 1950s. Even if you look at old films from the 1950s and 1960s there is a striking absence of black and Asian faces and a striking predominance of English shop names, etc.

Sorry to write so much, but you get the drift of what I'm saying.

One last thing. Last Saturday I attended the Lord Mayor's Show in London. This event was full of historical pageantry and English tradition. I would estimate that 90% of the participants and 99% of the spectators were English. This suggests that ethnic minorities, despite many being born here, are not interested in English culture. However, I expect that many of them would be happy to attend the Notting Hill Carnival. I, however would not personally feel any personal attachment to that carnival because it does not stem from the historical community of which I am a part.

I think that's just because lots of people, including those born and bread in the UK, just find the Nottinghill Carnival "fun".

I know plenty of people who make it a regular appointment in their diary, but who wouldn't consider the Lord Mayor's Show.

Just personal preferences I guess...

MrsPloppy wrote:

Ricayboy wrote:

soeffinwhat wrote:

Ricayboy wrote: I work in Lambeth in London amongst black youth. I can tell you categorically that minorities are put on a pedestal here in London to a fanatical extent. They receive so much help and are encouraged to celebrate their identity at every level. The white English "community" is fragmented and dispersed with nobody to champion their cause except groups like the BNP. Despite the fact that in many London boroughs white English people are a minority in schools and elsewhere, black people and other minorities are constantly given special attention, with Black History Month being widely promoted. The few remaining whites are not encouraged to take any pride in their culture or identity. The official PC line is to celebrate the massive "contribution" that migrants and immigrants have made to our society, whilst nobody remembers the group that made the biggest contribution of all, the white English and to a lesser extent the Welsh, Irish and Scottish. As a result, English kids are like ghosts, rootless and without a culture of their own. The very idea of English ethnicity and culture is mocked and derided and we are all supposed to buy into the idea of a multicultural "Britishness" even though this is only promoted in England alone. I for one value my English identity and see England as my homeland. The usual nasty comments about us being a mongrel nation with no real culture of our own are PC propaganda. We are no more of a mix than any other nation, but even if we were it would not mean that we have an obligation to keep on adding to that mix or handing our country away on a plate to people who don't give a monkey's about it. People need to be aware that there are liberals in this country who will not be content until every Cotswold village has the same ethnic and cultural mix as Brixton. According to them, nothing can ever compensate for the injustices committed by the British in the past. The British, and more specifically the English, must be blamed for everything. The reason the BNP and EDL exist is because NOBODY stands for the rights of English/British people to preserve their historic way of life. This breeds racism and resentment. Not everybody believes in a one-world, PC multicultural utopia.

Oops, sorry, that touched a nerve. Just wanted to think about the British Commonwealth, was that not adding to the mix at all?? Sure you do not mean that the colonialistic approact to the rest of the world should be the birthright of the British. What about the non-white but British who might have been living here for decades, even centuries. Where would you like to put them. I believe that everyone regardless of their background must work for their own keep and to the good of the society, the society as a whole, not a labeled fraction of it.

Sure the Commonwealth is one source of immigration. But because of our past misdemeanours it doesn't mean we have an eternal obligation to keep on accepting incomers. My generation was born in the 1980s and we are not responsible for colonisation. Don't forget that ordinary English people suffered poverty at home as the British elite enjoyed their colonial adventures. Don't forget also that many of these countries fought tooth and nail to be free of British rule, yet as soon as they got independence many of their people headed over to Britain in droves. The fact is that before the 1950s England was a remarkably homogeneous country with only a few localised immigrant communities. The few major immigrant influxes in history were mostly Europeans with a similar culture and ethnicity to native English people, so they were able to integrate and assimilate within a few generations. Even if you look at photos and films of London in the 1960s, people of obvious ethnic origin are conspicuous by their absence. Today inner London is so mixed that there is no longer a core group for immigrants to integrate into. Multiculturalism aims to unite an impossibly fragmented society by encouraging immigrants to maintain as many cultural trappings of their own cultures as possible. This creates hostility and division between rival groups who have very little social interaction, and this is exactly what we have in London. Nobody is against a limited immigrant population. They are welcome as long as they recognise that England has its own culture and native people, as does Scotland, Wales and so on. Mass immigration changes society and weakens and divides it as I have witnessed with my own eyes. To get people to accept mass immigration the elites have devised as system of PC brainwashing aimed at cowing English people to accept colonisation of their country. Anyone who raises a voice in protest is branded a racist and a pariah. Multiculturalism is given the status of a holy cow that must never ever be criticised. The fact is that in many areas white/English people are in a minority. But unlike other groups they have a psychological disadvantage. They have no collective communal voice amongst the myriad of ethnic and cultural groups in England. Their legitimacy and right to exist as a distinct community is derided and ignored. They are made to bear the guilt of supposed past crimes and are manipulated into holding an inferiority complex. Any time they assert themselves as a community they are smeared with the racism tag. Compared to this, immigrant groups are self confident and proud, knowing that the British elite, most of the media and the EU are on their side.

"The fact is that before the 1950s England was a remarkably homogeneous country with only a few localised immigrant communities. The few major immigrant influxes in history were mostly Europeans with a similar culture and ethnicity to native English people, so they were able to integrate and assimilate within a few generations. Even if you look at photos and films of London in the 1960s, people of obvious ethnic origin are conspicuous by their absence." I love it when ignorance is displayed so publicly. As for your minority comment about White English (why White?) here's some indication of your margin of error. 2001 census, White British 85.67% Overall White 91% I am White and born in England and I have none of the psychological scars or lack of self esteem or sense of culture that you have attributed to me without asking me.

Well said.
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NightnDay I have a friend who is a microbiologist with a Phd in genetics and he tells me your claim that the Irish travellers have unique genetic material is laughable, more to do with politics than science as the same can be said about the indigenous populations of almost every corner of this fair land from Cornwall to the northern Isles. The only claim to Irish traveller uniqueness that stands up is that you seem to have lost the gene for honest civilised behaviour.
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And before people like Mrs Ploppy start ranting about my use of the word iindigenous, most British people have inherited about half our genetic material from the first post ice age hunter gatherers, with most of the other half coming from the waves of northern Europeans who came here from the bronze age onwards which includes the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Franks and Norsemen etc. The truth is that we haven't seen immigration on the same scale as we see today for most of the last thousand years which is more than most mainland Eurpean countries can claim, and just for the record the Romans left very little genetic material here because very few true Romans came here whereas their armies did leave genetic traces but they were mostly middle eastern in origin. Get your facts right!

Ricaboy - you have just squashed all arguments that the PC bunch can throw out.

My main 'opinion' is that the people that try and stick up for mass immigration cannot live near the 'hives' of foreingers...otherwi
se...they too would feel the effects of it and change their tone.

I know that all the people of the British Isles are ethnically similar, however I do respect cultural identity. A Scotsman feels different from an Irishman, just as a Welshman feels different from an Englishman. We are in effect separate nations who are citizens of one British state. The Irish Travellers are not really (in my opinion) a distinct ethnic group but they can be considered a distinct cultural group, a subdivision of the Irish nation.

As I have said before, I work in south London and I often feel as though I'm in a foreign country. How can it be really considered English in any meaningful way when many people here speak foreign languages on the street and in shops, when they fly foreign flags, eat foreign foods and wear their national costumes? I'm tired of the freakish behaviour, the black gangs, the mostly foreign wasters hanging around the tube station all day, the people carrying on just as they would at home in their failing third world homeland.

If you placed these people in a quintessential English village they would be as strange and out of place as aliens from outer space. Just as I would be if I turned up at a Zulu village wearing a suit and tie and asking to be part of the tribe.

One reason we have white English chavs is because the traditional working class has been uprooted and is despised by the snobbish metropolitan elite who welcome all and sundry from abroad but who hate their compatriots.

My grandfather was a working class Cockney. He had a healthy sense of his own national identity and what was expected of him as an Englishman. He didn't have to resort to yobbish behaviour or behave like a "chav." Many of the working class today are like lost souls on the fringe of society, never allowed to have a positive identity of their own without being vilified.

This is not racist it is a fact. The immigrants that come here do not know how to behave in a civilised society, hence the knife, robbery and rise in violent crime in some areas. They come here to jobs with social services, housing, immigration and they look
after their own. They do not understand or they just plain ignore our law, our society, our religions, our heritage. Why shouldn't they learn and understand about all that before they are let into the country!! Absolutely disgraceful!!

sharry wrote:
This is not racist it is a fact. The immigrants that come here do not know how to behave in a civilised society, hence the knife, robbery and rise in violent crime in some areas. They come here to jobs with social services, housing, immigration and they look after their own. They do not understand or they just plain ignore our law, our society, our religions, our heritage. Why shouldn't they learn and understand about all that before they are let into the country!! Absolutely disgraceful!!

Blame Blair and Brown

sharry wrote:
This is not racist it is a fact. The immigrants that come here do not know how to behave in a civilised society, hence the knife, robbery and rise in violent crime in some areas. They come here to jobs with social services, housing, immigration and they look
after their own. They do not understand or they just plain ignore our law, our society, our religions, our heritage. Why shouldn't they learn and understand about all that before they are let into the country!! Absolutely disgraceful!!

If it's fact then please can we see some verifiable evidence?

It seems that some on here are just posting rehashed stuff from Migration Watch without any real knowledge or understanding of our heritage and history.

One poster says they care not for the UK because they are English but then claim a British tradition is an English one that they fully endorse. They sound more confused than Scooby Doo!

I am still trying to understand how some posters seem able to airbrush out Black British and English people in their historical and contemporary analysis.

We all come from one of two tribes in Kenya and if it wasn't for travelling people and immigrants none of us would be here today, FACT.

Our history, our culture, our language and our people are a mish mash of foreign influence and stock.

80,000 words in the English language are French!

The mask of racism is lifted when posters only refer to White English/British people in their analysis.

Some posters appear to be claiming British/English/Whit
e culture but when questioned what that actually is they seem to not be able to quantify it.

If I was an immigrant wishing to integrate what part of our 'culture' should I follow?

MrsPloppy wrote:

Kim Gandy wrote:
I am a victim of cheap foreign labour... I know what I am talking about, having been on the receiving end so do NOT try to argue with me

It seems you have been personally affected by every right wing target known to man.

Saying "do not try to argue with me" isn't really an argument clincher.

Im sure if there was a report tomorrow that Aliens had landed in The country somewhere, Little Kim would somehow find herself abused by them and a victim of their strangeness.

MrsPloppy wrote:
It seems that some on here are just posting rehashed stuff from Migration Watch without any real knowledge or understanding of our heritage and history.

One poster says they care not for the UK because they are English but then claim a British tradition is an English one that they fully endorse. They sound more confused than Scooby Doo!

I am still trying to understand how some posters seem able to airbrush out Black British and English people in their historical and contemporary analysis.

We all come from one of two tribes in Kenya and if it wasn't for travelling people and immigrants none of us would be here today, FACT.

Our history, our culture, our language and our people are a mish mash of foreign influence and stock.

80,000 words in the English language are French!

And all the swear words originate from Basildon! lol

Ricayboy wrote:
I know that all the people of the British Isles are ethnically similar, however I do respect cultural identity. A Scotsman feels different from an Irishman, just as a Welshman feels different from an Englishman. We are in effect separate nations who are citizens of one British state. The Irish Travellers are not really (in my opinion) a distinct ethnic group but they can be considered a distinct cultural group, a subdivision of the Irish nation.

As I have said before, I work in south London and I often feel as though I'm in a foreign country. How can it be really considered English in any meaningful way when many people here speak foreign languages on the street and in shops, when they fly foreign flags, eat foreign foods and wear their national costumes? I'm tired of the freakish behaviour, the black gangs, the mostly foreign wasters hanging around the tube station all day, the people carrying on just as they would at home in their failing third world homeland.

If you placed these people in a quintessential English village they would be as strange and out of place as aliens from outer space. Just as I would be if I turned up at a Zulu village wearing a suit and tie and asking to be part of the tribe.

One reason we have white English chavs is because the traditional working class has been uprooted and is despised by the snobbish metropolitan elite who welcome all and sundry from abroad but who hate their compatriots.

My grandfather was a working class Cockney. He had a healthy sense of his own national identity and what was expected of him as an Englishman. He didn't have to resort to yobbish behaviour or behave like a "chav." Many of the working class today are like lost souls on the fringe of society, never allowed to have a positive identity of their own without being vilified.

It could be in many peoples opinion, as yours with travellers, the English people are not a distinct ethnic group but they can be considered a distinct cultural group, a subdivision of the British nation.

Excitation wrote:

MrsPloppy wrote:

Ricayboy wrote:

soeffinwhat wrote:

Ricayboy wrote: I work in Lambeth in London amongst black youth. I can tell you categorically that minorities are put on a pedestal here in London to a fanatical extent. They receive so much help and are encouraged to celebrate their identity at every level. The white English "community" is fragmented and dispersed with nobody to champion their cause except groups like the BNP. Despite the fact that in many London boroughs white English people are a minority in schools and elsewhere, black people and other minorities are constantly given special attention, with Black History Month being widely promoted. The few remaining whites are not encouraged to take any pride in their culture or identity. The official PC line is to celebrate the massive "contribution" that migrants and immigrants have made to our society, whilst nobody remembers the group that made the biggest contribution of all, the white English and to a lesser extent the Welsh, Irish and Scottish. As a result, English kids are like ghosts, rootless and without a culture of their own. The very idea of English ethnicity and culture is mocked and derided and we are all supposed to buy into the idea of a multicultural "Britishness" even though this is only promoted in England alone. I for one value my English identity and see England as my homeland. The usual nasty comments about us being a mongrel nation with no real culture of our own are PC propaganda. We are no more of a mix than any other nation, but even if we were it would not mean that we have an obligation to keep on adding to that mix or handing our country away on a plate to people who don't give a monkey's about it. People need to be aware that there are liberals in this country who will not be content until every Cotswold village has the same ethnic and cultural mix as Brixton. According to them, nothing can ever compensate for the injustices committed by the British in the past. The British, and more specifically the English, must be blamed for everything. The reason the BNP and EDL exist is because NOBODY stands for the rights of English/British people to preserve their historic way of life. This breeds racism and resentment. Not everybody believes in a one-world, PC multicultural utopia.

Oops, sorry, that touched a nerve. Just wanted to think about the British Commonwealth, was that not adding to the mix at all?? Sure you do not mean that the colonialistic approact to the rest of the world should be the birthright of the British. What about the non-white but British who might have been living here for decades, even centuries. Where would you like to put them. I believe that everyone regardless of their background must work for their own keep and to the good of the society, the society as a whole, not a labeled fraction of it.

Sure the Commonwealth is one source of immigration. But because of our past misdemeanours it doesn't mean we have an eternal obligation to keep on accepting incomers. My generation was born in the 1980s and we are not responsible for colonisation. Don't forget that ordinary English people suffered poverty at home as the British elite enjoyed their colonial adventures. Don't forget also that many of these countries fought tooth and nail to be free of British rule, yet as soon as they got independence many of their people headed over to Britain in droves. The fact is that before the 1950s England was a remarkably homogeneous country with only a few localised immigrant communities. The few major immigrant influxes in history were mostly Europeans with a similar culture and ethnicity to native English people, so they were able to integrate and assimilate within a few generations. Even if you look at photos and films of London in the 1960s, people of obvious ethnic origin are conspicuous by their absence. Today inner London is so mixed that there is no longer a core group for immigrants to integrate into. Multiculturalism aims to unite an impossibly fragmented society by encouraging immigrants to maintain as many cultural trappings of their own cultures as possible. This creates hostility and division between rival groups who have very little social interaction, and this is exactly what we have in London. Nobody is against a limited immigrant population. They are welcome as long as they recognise that England has its own culture and native people, as does Scotland, Wales and so on. Mass immigration changes society and weakens and divides it as I have witnessed with my own eyes. To get people to accept mass immigration the elites have devised as system of PC brainwashing aimed at cowing English people to accept colonisation of their country. Anyone who raises a voice in protest is branded a racist and a pariah. Multiculturalism is given the status of a holy cow that must never ever be criticised. The fact is that in many areas white/English people are in a minority. But unlike other groups they have a psychological disadvantage. They have no collective communal voice amongst the myriad of ethnic and cultural groups in England. Their legitimacy and right to exist as a distinct community is derided and ignored. They are made to bear the guilt of supposed past crimes and are manipulated into holding an inferiority complex. Any time they assert themselves as a community they are smeared with the racism tag. Compared to this, immigrant groups are self confident and proud, knowing that the British elite, most of the media and the EU are on their side.

"The fact is that before the 1950s England was a remarkably homogeneous country with only a few localised immigrant communities. The few major immigrant influxes in history were mostly Europeans with a similar culture and ethnicity to native English people, so they were able to integrate and assimilate within a few generations. Even if you look at photos and films of London in the 1960s, people of obvious ethnic origin are conspicuous by their absence." I love it when ignorance is displayed so publicly. As for your minority comment about White English (why White?) here's some indication of your margin of error. 2001 census, White British 85.67% Overall White 91% I am White and born in England and I have none of the psychological scars or lack of self esteem or sense of culture that you have attributed to me without asking me.

Well said.
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NightnDay I have a friend who is a microbiologist with a Phd in genetics and he tells me your claim that the Irish travellers have unique genetic material is laughable, more to do with politics than science as the same can be said about the indigenous populations of almost every corner of this fair land from Cornwall to the northern Isles. The only claim to Irish traveller uniqueness that stands up is that you seem to have lost the gene for honest civilised behaviour.
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And before people like Mrs Ploppy start ranting about my use of the word iindigenous, most British people have inherited about half our genetic material from the first post ice age hunter gatherers, with most of the other half coming from the waves of northern Europeans who came here from the bronze age onwards which includes the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Franks and Norsemen etc. The truth is that we haven't seen immigration on the same scale as we see today for most of the last thousand years which is more than most mainland Eurpean countries can claim, and just for the record the Romans left very little genetic material here because very few true Romans came here whereas their armies did leave genetic traces but they were mostly middle eastern in origin. Get your facts right!

Let your friend argue with DNA evidence. Have him look at the documentary "Blood of the Travellers"...and never take his word again.

As for the rest of your post, the fact your generalised about all Travellers having bad behaviour lessened the message thereafter. But the suggestion people can lose the gene for good behaviour is odd, ask your friend about that will you and report back on what he guesses at! also ask him if the gene for tolerance of different cultures also be lost and what it might be replaced with!

Dont bother arguing with fearsuil/nightnday/m
rs ploppy/ wayne G - they are all the same person.
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Ignore and move on.

Nightnday must spend his whole time flicking between this website and Rightmove.

OneManOneVoice wrote:
Dont bother arguing with fearsuil/nightnday/m

rs ploppy/ wayne G - they are all the same person.
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Ignore and move on.

Why don't you just make a list of everyone that has ever rejected your view of the world and morph them together to make it more digestible for you?

Saying that, Wayne G?!?!?! Jesus mate, you need professional help.

NightnDay wrote:

MrsPloppy wrote:
It seems that some on here are just posting rehashed stuff from Migration Watch without any real knowledge or understanding of our heritage and history.

One poster says they care not for the UK because they are English but then claim a British tradition is an English one that they fully endorse. They sound more confused than Scooby Doo!

I am still trying to understand how some posters seem able to airbrush out Black British and English people in their historical and contemporary analysis.

We all come from one of two tribes in Kenya and if it wasn't for travelling people and immigrants none of us would be here today, FACT.

Our history, our culture, our language and our people are a mish mash of foreign influence and stock.

80,000 words in the English language are French!

And all the swear words originate from Basildon! lol

There seem to quite a few cnuts from Basildon but at least it's an old Anglo Saxon word.

Nightand Day defines Irish travellers as a separate ethnic group. Is he aware that the ethnic English are also defined as a separate ethnic group according to the Race Relations Act?

The second question I wish to ask him is: if this ethnic group is 'Irish' then why are they in England at all, why are they making such strenuous efforts to stay on one little patch of English ground?

I would say to them the same as King Harold II said to his opponent, King Harald Hardrada at the battle of Stamford Bridge. When the latter asked how much land he would be given, the former retorted 'As much land as it takes to bury you'.

I agree with Ricayboy. He and I seem to be on the same wavelength. And I don't care how far back my remote ancestors may have lived in Kenya. At the time of the 'great migrations' around 2000 years ago we may have lived on the Russian steppes and were pushed westward by other tribes, but according to the definition in the Race Relations Act, we've had a homeland here in England for many generations, well before the Act of Union 1707, long enough to define us as having a homeland - England. Our family graves are here, generations of them. Not in a village in the west of Ireland!

NightnDay wrote:

Excitation wrote:

MrsPloppy wrote:

Ricayboy wrote:

soeffinwhat wrote:

Ricayboy wrote: I work in Lambeth in London amongst black youth. I can tell you categorically that minorities are put on a pedestal here in London to a fanatical extent. They receive so much help and are encouraged to celebrate their identity at every level. The white English "community" is fragmented and dispersed with nobody to champion their cause except groups like the BNP. Despite the fact that in many London boroughs white English people are a minority in schools and elsewhere, black people and other minorities are constantly given special attention, with Black History Month being widely promoted. The few remaining whites are not encouraged to take any pride in their culture or identity. The official PC line is to celebrate the massive "contribution" that migrants and immigrants have made to our society, whilst nobody remembers the group that made the biggest contribution of all, the white English and to a lesser extent the Welsh, Irish and Scottish. As a result, English kids are like ghosts, rootless and without a culture of their own. The very idea of English ethnicity and culture is mocked and derided and we are all supposed to buy into the idea of a multicultural "Britishness" even though this is only promoted in England alone. I for one value my English identity and see England as my homeland. The usual nasty comments about us being a mongrel nation with no real culture of our own are PC propaganda. We are no more of a mix than any other nation, but even if we were it would not mean that we have an obligation to keep on adding to that mix or handing our country away on a plate to people who don't give a monkey's about it. People need to be aware that there are liberals in this country who will not be content until every Cotswold village has the same ethnic and cultural mix as Brixton. According to them, nothing can ever compensate for the injustices committed by the British in the past. The British, and more specifically the English, must be blamed for everything. The reason the BNP and EDL exist is because NOBODY stands for the rights of English/British people to preserve their historic way of life. This breeds racism and resentment. Not everybody believes in a one-world, PC multicultural utopia.

Oops, sorry, that touched a nerve. Just wanted to think about the British Commonwealth, was that not adding to the mix at all?? Sure you do not mean that the colonialistic approact to the rest of the world should be the birthright of the British. What about the non-white but British who might have been living here for decades, even centuries. Where would you like to put them. I believe that everyone regardless of their background must work for their own keep and to the good of the society, the society as a whole, not a labeled fraction of it.

Sure the Commonwealth is one source of immigration. But because of our past misdemeanours it doesn't mean we have an eternal obligation to keep on accepting incomers. My generation was born in the 1980s and we are not responsible for colonisation. Don't forget that ordinary English people suffered poverty at home as the British elite enjoyed their colonial adventures. Don't forget also that many of these countries fought tooth and nail to be free of British rule, yet as soon as they got independence many of their people headed over to Britain in droves. The fact is that before the 1950s England was a remarkably homogeneous country with only a few localised immigrant communities. The few major immigrant influxes in history were mostly Europeans with a similar culture and ethnicity to native English people, so they were able to integrate and assimilate within a few generations. Even if you look at photos and films of London in the 1960s, people of obvious ethnic origin are conspicuous by their absence. Today inner London is so mixed that there is no longer a core group for immigrants to integrate into. Multiculturalism aims to unite an impossibly fragmented society by encouraging immigrants to maintain as many cultural trappings of their own cultures as possible. This creates hostility and division between rival groups who have very little social interaction, and this is exactly what we have in London. Nobody is against a limited immigrant population. They are welcome as long as they recognise that England has its own culture and native people, as does Scotland, Wales and so on. Mass immigration changes society and weakens and divides it as I have witnessed with my own eyes. To get people to accept mass immigration the elites have devised as system of PC brainwashing aimed at cowing English people to accept colonisation of their country. Anyone who raises a voice in protest is branded a racist and a pariah. Multiculturalism is given the status of a holy cow that must never ever be criticised. The fact is that in many areas white/English people are in a minority. But unlike other groups they have a psychological disadvantage. They have no collective communal voice amongst the myriad of ethnic and cultural groups in England. Their legitimacy and right to exist as a distinct community is derided and ignored. They are made to bear the guilt of supposed past crimes and are manipulated into holding an inferiority complex. Any time they assert themselves as a community they are smeared with the racism tag. Compared to this, immigrant groups are self confident and proud, knowing that the British elite, most of the media and the EU are on their side.

"The fact is that before the 1950s England was a remarkably homogeneous country with only a few localised immigrant communities. The few major immigrant influxes in history were mostly Europeans with a similar culture and ethnicity to native English people, so they were able to integrate and assimilate within a few generations. Even if you look at photos and films of London in the 1960s, people of obvious ethnic origin are conspicuous by their absence." I love it when ignorance is displayed so publicly. As for your minority comment about White English (why White?) here's some indication of your margin of error. 2001 census, White British 85.67% Overall White 91% I am White and born in England and I have none of the psychological scars or lack of self esteem or sense of culture that you have attributed to me without asking me.

Well said. . NightnDay I have a friend who is a microbiologist with a Phd in genetics and he tells me your claim that the Irish travellers have unique genetic material is laughable, more to do with politics than science as the same can be said about the indigenous populations of almost every corner of this fair land from Cornwall to the northern Isles. The only claim to Irish traveller uniqueness that stands up is that you seem to have lost the gene for honest civilised behaviour. . And before people like Mrs Ploppy start ranting about my use of the word iindigenous, most British people have inherited about half our genetic material from the first post ice age hunter gatherers, with most of the other half coming from the waves of northern Europeans who came here from the bronze age onwards which includes the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Franks and Norsemen etc. The truth is that we haven't seen immigration on the same scale as we see today for most of the last thousand years which is more than most mainland Eurpean countries can claim, and just for the record the Romans left very little genetic material here because very few true Romans came here whereas their armies did leave genetic traces but they were mostly middle eastern in origin. Get your facts right!

Let your friend argue with DNA evidence. Have him look at the documentary "Blood of the Travellers"...and never take his word again. As for the rest of your post, the fact your generalised about all Travellers having bad behaviour lessened the message thereafter. But the suggestion people can lose the gene for good behaviour is odd, ask your friend about that will you and report back on what he guesses at! also ask him if the gene for tolerance of different cultures also be lost and what it might be replaced with!

Idiot. So a TV documentary is more truthful and knowledgable than a Doctor of Genetics is it? If you believe that you clearly never got past primary school level.
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My suggestion about a gene for good behaviour was of course tongue in cheek, as anyone with more than two brain cells would have spotted. And I am very tolerant of other races, I have friends from many other cultural and racial groups. So why do you think I am less tolerant of you travellers? Just think about it lame brain.

Southern Irish are an ethnic group OK, but in general they don't live in caravans. So, another enthnic group created for southern Irish in caravans. Does it make any difference how many wheels are on the caravan? Will you have to invent another enthnic group if they using 3 wheelers?

This is getting a bit tiresome now. People don't like the travellers, the travellers feel they're being victimised....
...Personally I don't like the French for many reasons. God, I can't stand their arrogance and inability to wash. And their belief that war is simply a big game of hide and seek.

I'll repeat the question for our liberal minded friends who keep asking me to define English/British culture. Can you precisely define what constitutes Polish/Welsh/Pakista
ni/Irish/French culture?

If you can point to certain cultural trappings like styles of dress, foods, manners, customs etc as a manifestation of culture then I can point to plenty of things which originated in England.

In fact English culture has influenced the whole world a lot more than it has been influenced. That's why most Scots, Welsh and Irish speak the English language and have an Anglicised culture to a greater or lesser extent. Good luck if you go to Scotland and tell them that because of that their native culture doesn't exist, that it's just a mish-mash of foreign cultures.

There are few cultures on earth that have not been influenced by others to some extent. The same goes for populations and nations. However, the fact remains that distinct nations developed over time and the English is one of them. England was here before the UK and will be here long after the UK is consigned to history's dustbin.

We live in a globalised world and a time of unprecedented change. Because some people in this country have adopted foreign tastes it doesn't mean that we don't have anything of our own to offer.

I personally think that we'd be better of cherishing our native culture more. The Polish do and their land is one long history of foreign invasion. Germany was a collection of separate states 150 years ago. Countries like Spain are much more divided on regional and linguistic lines than the English are.

I think English children would be better of learning a healthy pride in the history and achievements of their own people. Sure there are some negative chapters, but that's the same for every nation. I would like children to learn English folk songs, English country dances, English cookery and English literature instead of PC internationalist propaganda and rap music.

Learn about other cultures by all means, but make sure that you know all about your own first. I believe that people who come to England should respect the fact that it has its own way of life and culture.

There can be few countries in the world who have contributed so much as our little island and its nations. We have been great explorers, scientists, engineers, statesmen, poets, actors and the list goes on. We played a big role in shaping the modern world but most kids today have little knowledge of it and take no pride in it.

I believe that the English have been screwed over by the British state who are desperate to avoid the English rising up to reclaim their true identity. They know that when the English do, their beloved Union will be finished. English nationalism is probably the biggest threat to the UK and that's why all the main parties try to suppress English identity.

Ricaboy you raise some fair points but as someone with extensive connections to Scotland and Wales as well as SE England I can tell you that we all share deep British nationalist tendencies too which far outweigh our localised differences and that is hardly surprising as the indigenous populations of England, Scotland and Wales are also very similar genetically as well as the fact that we all share this little island off the coast of northern Europe. You should get out more.

Welcome to the New World Order. Before you all accuse me of needing a tin foil hat, I invite you to read my hometown paper 'The LA Times'. If we switched London for LA, you'd not know you were reading a foreign paper.
Whilst reading this thread, I was astounded by posts that have an eerie rings to them...

Excitation wrote:
Ricaboy you raise some fair points but as someone with extensive connections to Scotland and Wales as well as SE England I can tell you that we all share deep British nationalist tendencies too which far outweigh our localised differences and that is hardly surprising as the indigenous populations of England, Scotland and Wales are also very similar genetically as well as the fact that we all share this little island off the coast of northern Europe. You should get out more.

Agreed. But I can't be enthusiastic about a "Britain" that the majority of Scottish and Welsh people don't care about. I feel that English identity has often been buried under this "Britishness." Having family connections in other parts of the UK doesn't make us not English. My Welsh friend had an English mother, but you won't meet a more fervent Welshman than him. Being British means little to him.

I would prefer a very loose British federation, either that or full independence for all nations of the UK. We can maintain friendly relations with our Scottish and Welsh neighbours but can rediscover our own distinct national identity.

Ethic cleansing is happening in the workplace too. Believe me, I know!

Onemanonevoice
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Mrs Ploppy you queried what the English culture is - ironically I think you've said what most people are trying to say. How can English define their culture when its continually being eroded and/or we're not allowed to celebrate it. Examples of this being charity shops etc. not being able to have Christian Nativity Christmas displays in case it offends E.Ms. - this is (or was) a Christian country why can't we openly celebrate it then. Not allowed to use words in the English language e.g. blackboard, can't have black coffee has to be coffee without milk. This is the sort of overboard PC claptrap I am talking about which causes resentment and racism. By the way I have many friends of different nationalities both in this country and abroad. I have visited and worked in many countries and none of them would have let me over-ride their culture with the English culture. I was expected to accept their culture as I was in their country which I expected and accepted when I chose to go to their country.
Also Travellers are not an ethnic group. If they were then hippies who took to camping and travelling round in vans and converted buses would have been classified as ethnic minorities. Romas are an ethnic minority. All travellers are not Romany/Romas equally all Romanies are not travellers. Irish is an ethnic classification but traveller is not.

Am I the only Briton who hates being referred to as a 'Brit'?

"I'll repeat the question for our liberal minded friends who keep asking me to define English/British culture. Can you precisely define what constitutes Polish/Welsh/Pakista
ni/Irish/French culture?"

What are you talking about man? You are the one banging on about preserving your culture, not a Pole, a Welshman, a Pakistani, an Irishman or a Frenchman, just you! So, please explain what you mean when you talk about preserving YOUR culture?


"Learn about other cultures by all means, but make sure that you know all about your own first. I believe that people who come to England should respect the fact that it has its own way of life and culture."


Lol, you are all over the place mate.

First you start on about YOUR culture, then when asked what that culture is you start some diatribe about how difficult it is to define culture and some rubbish about Liberals, the Welsh, Pakistanis and the French amongst others. Then you expect immigrants to know all about YOUR culture and to follow it.

I think they should give you a call if they've got a spare fortnight or two to waste.

whataday wrote:
Onemanonevoice
Think you're right
Mrs Ploppy you queried what the English culture is - ironically I think you've said what most people are trying to say. How can English define their culture when its continually being eroded and/or we're not allowed to celebrate it. Examples of this being charity shops etc. not being able to have Christian Nativity Christmas displays in case it offends E.Ms. - this is (or was) a Christian country why can't we openly celebrate it then. Not allowed to use words in the English language e.g. blackboard, can't have black coffee has to be coffee without milk. This is the sort of overboard PC claptrap I am talking about which causes resentment and racism. By the way I have many friends of different nationalities both in this country and abroad. I have visited and worked in many countries and none of them would have let me over-ride their culture with the English culture. I was expected to accept their culture as I was in their country which I expected and accepted when I chose to go to their country.
Also Travellers are not an ethnic group. If they were then hippies who took to camping and travelling round in vans and converted buses would have been classified as ethnic minorities. Romas are an ethnic minority. All travellers are not Romany/Romas equally all Romanies are not travellers. Irish is an ethnic classification but traveller is not.

Even if your perception is of something being eroded you should be able to explain what it is you think is being eroded else how do you know it's being eroded?

The charity shop thing isn't true. This is a secular country and you are free to celebrate the nativity if you so wish. Can you tell me of one instance where you personally have been stopped from celebrating the nativity?

The words in the English language story isn't true. In fact, you've just used those exact words or did that pass you by?

It is overboard ramped up anti PC claptrap caused by those with resentment and racists.

I'm glad I'm not a racist because I don't have any Black friends. I'm also glad you felt the need to describe that some of your friends are foreigners.

Name some of the countries you say wouldn't have let you over ride their culture with yours?

Travellers are an ethnic group and you are not an Anthropologist. The rest of the stuff you wrote on that subject just highlights your complete lack of understanding of ethnicity and British law, ironic that.

Kim Gandy wrote:
Ethic cleansing is happening in the workplace too. Believe me, I know!

What, no work ethic?! Lol.

"Nightand Day defines Irish travellers as a separate ethnic group. Is he aware that the ethnic English are also defined as a separate ethnic group according to the Race Relations Act?"

Irish Travellers are recognised as an ethnic minority under the Race Relations Act, the English aren't because they aren't a minority.

only one thing to say send them all home then there would be a few more jobs for for the unemployed that want jobs.